Fetus stolen from slain mom believed found

[Cooley Hurd]

Baby appears healthy according to police. Anonymous tip led to baby's recovery

MSNBC link:

SKIDMORE, Mo. - Authorities said Friday that had found a healthy baby girl and believed it could be the child of slain Bobbi Jo Stinnett.

An eight-months-pregnant Stinnett, 23, was found dead Thursday afternoon and had apparently been strangled, said Sheriff Ben Espey.

“Someone was wanting a baby awful bad,” he said.

Espey would not say how the infant was cut from Stinnett’s body. He said there were no signs of forced entry into the home, but there was evidence of a struggle.

An Amber Alert was issued for the infant early Friday.
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[rockydem]

1. A story like this is like crack cocaine for cable news

[Karenina]

36. A poster predicted this in GD

2 days ago or so, right after the Peterson verdict. Unfortunately, I am unable to search at the moment... And OFF THEY GO!!!

[libpunkmom]

54. yeah, something

about another attractive white women would be murdered and the news would focus on that instead of the ass-hats in DC.

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[genieroze]

69. Bobbi Jo Stinnett?

Sounds white to me, I could be wrong but I'm not. But you are right that color doesn't matter, only the crime. I felt bad about this before I knew her name and seen her pic. She is a pretty brown haired girl.

[puddycat]

77. the point is, that media pays hardly ANY attention to non-whites murdered

Let me spell this out to you, because you are clearly missing the whole point in your haste to attack everyone: the conservative news-networks are clearly racist in their reporting. They center in on beautiful young white women who are murdered, when they virtually ignore anyone else. Do you think Laci Peterson would have been such a media cause if she was a plain-Jane 45 year old brunette or any poor black woman? Do you think if Laci was a working class immigrant from Nigeria that she would be beatifed by the media? Huh?

You see, the racism is the media's. And that is what people are saying. That now that the Laci case is over, or essentially over, then they have to find the next young beautiful white woman to spend their time on, because they don't want to actually spend their time doing REAL investigative work on examining this fascist, war-mongering government of ours.

[Stinky The Clown]

50. Hoo boy, is it!

[Neecy]

84. oh, yes

I was in Maryville yesterday afternoon and last evening - my nephew graduated from NW Missouri State last night - and the satellite trucks were all over the police station parking lot, about 3 blocks from my nephew's house. His Republican mother-in-law burst in and excitedly told us all that she'd just spotted the Fox News truck. No mention of the tragedy, but she frothed over Fox News several times. It was a very long day.

I think the media did indeed go crazy over this story, but it appears the person responsible was caught quickly so I doubt we'll be subjected to it 24/7 a la Peterson.

[LeftCoast]

2. Any chance the mom was white, blond and good looking?

Sorry for being so cynical but....

[Mist]

6. I gotta admit

That was my first thought!

[Karenina]

45. Spotbird nailed it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2825194

[SCantiGOP]

7. she was white

that was mentioned in the first story.

[Cooley Hurd]

9. Yep... your cynicism is warranted after being Laci Peterson'd...

...for two years. Here's the mom:

[Sequoia]

25. Poor woman and family

I feel so badly for them. May God be with them now.

I'm not seeing much on who they think did it. Anyone from there know other details that the main press is not reporting?

[AP]

28. I feel terrible for the baby. Could you imagine growing up and finding out

...one day that your mother was murdered so that someone could steal you from her womb?

[teenagebambam]

31. My thoughts exactly

"...you were adopted" kind of pales in comparison.

[AP]

34. Seriously.

[parkenyc]

29. Also why.

This is a very strange case. I haven't heard a word about who did it, but I would like to know why.

[genieroze]

72. The pic I seen had her with dark hair. eom

[miss_kitty]

10. Here's a pic

What's wrong with fucking people?

[LeftCoast]

15. Just a sick crime

I feel terrible for the family, but I also still feel my cynicism is justified. God, this is just awful.

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[miss_kitty]

63. No, I think people think it happened to her BECAUSE she was white

which would make the baby more 'valuable'. And make the news story more marketable. It's disgusting that one baby would be more desirable than another and that some creep would do this to another human.

The people were caught and the baby was found ok. But the family-it's just sadder beyond words.

[carolinalady]

66. What makes this story valuable is the method by which the baby

was taken. The killer did a cesearean section on the woman! It would have gotten this much attention regardless of the color of Mom's skin IMO.

[puddycat]

75. hey newbie--you come here and immediately start attacking people?

You are either a freeper or just a jerk. Nobody comes to a new place and immediately start attacking people, especially when clearly they don't know what they are talking about. You miss the whole point--this woman will be made a "cause celebre" because she is white, because the whoring conservative media is racist. Get it?

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[LibertyLover]

37. Mom

She was at least white. And young. Oh joy - another media feeding frenzy. Well, they had to do something what with the Peterson case being over and the Michael Jackson case and the murder case in Utah not starting until next year.

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[Stinky The Clown]

52. Chances are high she is

or else why would cable news carry it? They don't do stories about people of color.

Jessica Lynch vis a vis Shoshanna Johnson

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[2bfree]

71. Don't you mean Al Sharpton?

:)

[Cooley Hurd]

73. Maybe they all look alike to the previous poster?

;)

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[hlthe2b]

3. Wow... I really had hoped this story was a hoax...

Chilling, and horrifying. But, I hate to think how the RW will exploit the story....

[THUNDER HANDS]

4. wow, but unfortunately

the fetus is still missing.

[medeak]

11. baby girl found in Kansas

n/t

[nicho]

12. you mean, the baby is missing right?

n/t

[THUNDER HANDS]

18. no, they said they were looking for a fetus, but found a baby

so the fetus is still on the run, apparently.

[nicho]

22. apparently so

the murderer must have disguised the missing fetus as a baby to throw off the authorities.

[TheDebbieDee]

38. HAHAHAHAHA !

[katinmn]

47. LOL! n/t

[Guaranteed]

81. Holy shit, dude.

There ya go- they just did it.

That's why they keep feeding us these stories. It's the slow psychological drip from fetus to baby.

[medeak]

20. no .. they found her

breaking news on CNN... doing tests to make sure it is THE baby but are very certain it is

Had a tip

[Cooley Hurd]

16. They did say they were looking for a FETUS...

...so, technically, you're correct.;)

[Lone_Star_Dem]

5. Thank goodness.. n/t

[Qutzupalotl]

8. But Scott Peterson is behind bars!

Could it have been...Kobe?

[Freebird12004]

13. It's truly a sad day

how did some people become so sick and cruel?

[GCP]

14. Maybe I'm missing something here - but WHAT baby and WHAT womb?

Was there a woman's dead body found nearby. Where's a link?

[UpInArms]

27. here's the "missing fetus" thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1079621&mesg_id=1079621

[Moderator]

17. Please edit your headline

Now that you have a link, please edit headline to match

Thank you

[Cooley Hurd]

21. Um... I already did...

:hi:

[Moderator]

23. Thanks

Must have been doing it while I was posting the reminder

[Poppyseedman]

19. Dollars to donuts

these freaks will find a lawyer who will claim that actually saved the baby from death by cutting it out of the mothers womb after they murdered it's mom.

So we can have pity on their wretched souls.

[Fleshdancer]

26. My heart goes out to her family

This story is so sick and twisted...if I were the mother of the dead mother, I think I would literally go insane. I just don't see how you keep it together knowing your child went through something like that. :cry:

[katinmn]

48. I know, it's horrible to think what the dead woman's family must be

feeling now and having to deal with the accompanying media circus.



I'm sorry the media turned it into a circus right off the bat by calling the baby a fetus. I think they were making a statement, even if it was to show their stupidity.

[arwalden]

30. How Long Does It Get To Be Called A "Fetus"??????

Did it live? Is it not a real live BABY now?

[TahitiNut]

32. Interesting that it was "stolen" and not kidnapped.

The elevation of property to a higher object of worship than humanity creeps in everywhere.

[Megahurtz]

56. LOL!!!! Yeah a stolen fetus not a kidnapped baby

but still there was an amber alert! :wtf:

[LittleClarkie]

41. Good question, arwalden - and to those still calling the baby a fetus...

Remember the John Kerry pro-life/pro-choice threads yesterday? This is part of what he was talking about.

Would calling it a baby at this point mean that you'd have to compromise?

[catmandu57]

33. I'm in the locality

Skidmore is about 15-20 miles north of here, they've been breaking in with news, but are not saying much more than what has been said here. They believe they've found the baby, and sheriff Espey did say baby, not fetus. That the baby had been found in Kansas, but not much more than that little bit, I'm certain that we'll know who, and why by monday.

[Straight Shooter]

35. What is really sad is how this young mother's death will be exploited

The RW fundies will use it as an argument that there should not be abortion, because, after all, if we had lots of healthy white babies up for abortion instead of being aborted, then whoever killed the mother for the baby would not have been so desperate.

It would probably not enter their minds that anyone insane enough to kill a mother and cut out the fetus/baby is not a good candidate for adopting any baby.

This entire thing makes me feel ill. That woman's last thoughts were probably that she wasn't able to save her baby.

(In cases like this I can't get into arguing fetus vs. baby, I just can't.)

[rodeodance]

39. now that the Lacie Story is almost done--they will be looking for another

juicy trial to cover--and this may be it!!---but only if the defendent will be able to afford a high profile lawyer!!!!!

[AngryOldDem]

43. I can't imagine anybody, fundie or no

making this argument. Sick is sick. Nothing excuses it.

[patdem]

46. Well, if the person who did this horrendous act was eligible to adopt

I, for one, would want adoption laws changed!!!

[Guaranteed]

82. YES, THIS IS ABOUT ABORTION.

They are playing games with our language, folks. Deliberately blurring the line between babies and fetuses, just like they did in this article.

[LibertyLover]

40. Missing baby

I am so hoping that the baby they found is in good shape and is the one her mother was killed for. And I hope they find the scum who did it. I am generally opposed to the death penalty, but this is one of those instances where I believe it might be justified.

[samtob]

44. That thought came to my mind also

Seldom would I say I am for the death penalty (violent pedophiles are my exception) but, I cannot help but feel it would be justified in this case.

Can this incident be classified as anything but brutally evil?

[atommom]

42. I saw an "Amber Alert" sign by the road as I was coming home from

the doctor's office today. When I found out what it was for, I was really glad I hadn't explained it to my young kids. (I told them I turned on the news because "a kid got lost." Don't think they're ready to hear a story like this one.) :(

I agree, it's going to be another media/RW feeding frenzy.

[Dogmudgeon]

49. Another glamo(u)r photo of the dead cutie-pie

(Yes, the subject line was intentionally sarcastic. My grief is for Bobbie Jo Stinnett and her survivors; my outrage, for the "ringmasters" of the press.)

--p!

[Tight_rope]

51. The people who did this need to get the death penalty and die now.

To cut a woman up and steal her unborn baby is just...just...just...damn...I'm so mad...I can't find the words to describe what these people have done.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :puke:

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[antigone382]

53. The fetus's survival was more important to these people than the mother's

They sound pretty much like Bush and his cronies with their late-term abortion ban that doesn't make exceptions for the health of the mother.

A horrible tragedy, but not a surprise. This is the way society is going.

[carolinalady]

62. Of course it was more important--they knew the Mom was dead

they HOPED the baby was alive. I agree that fetus was probably not the best way to phrase it, but having been a labor and delivery nurse for several years that was the medically correct terminology. When a baby is born as a premie and does not live docs and nurses technically refer to it as a fetus. I don't know why-that is just the way it is.
What I don't get and this is not directed to you but to many of the people who have responded tonight is WHY people would take this horrible tragedy and try to make it part of the Bush problem. I am not a Freeper--I am a strong Kerry supporter and I live for the day we uncover the election fraud and expose those Right Wing Egomaniacs for what they are, but really, everything that happens in the world is not tied to them. For all we know this lady could have been a fellow DU'er.
Our anger and sarcasm should be focused on the true criminals.

[antigone382]

68. I don't mean the authorities that saved the baby

What they did was heroic. I'm referring the people that did this horrible thing, deciding that the life of the mother didn't matter to them as much as the child they wanted.

I understand your point, and I didn't mean to blame Bush for the murder of this woman. I was intending more to comment on some of the values that he espouses, particularly his disregard for the safety of women in late pregnancy. I don't necessarily think that the murderer(s) did what they did just because of anything Bush has said or done, but I think it's reasonable to criticize his beliefs when, taken to the extreme and followed to their conclusion, they result in tragedies that could be equated to this one. Bush and others with his ideology are pushing us toward a society that elevates the life of the fetus above the life of the mother.

And thank you for what you've done. My grandmother was a premie nurse, and that was the first thing I remember wanting to be when I grew up. My mom was also a respiratory therapist for several years.

Edited for grammar.

[carolinalady]

70. I absolutely agree with what you are saying.

:hug:

[daleo]

55. I can't imagine this is a stranger crime

I think a DNA analysis is certainly in order. I think for some reason, someone wanted that baby. Clearly, a very insane action, though.

[deminks]

57. Local update

I live in the area, and this story is all over the local news. Here is one of the KC TV sites with the most recent update of what we are hearing:

http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/4005075/detail.html

I noticed Fox is still going with the "fetus" headline last I looked. Figures. :eyes:

They are going to do DNA testing on the baby to confirm that it is the one that they are looking for. A terrible tragedy for the mother. I hope that this is the baby. The authorities feel pretty sure that it is.

I will post more updates if anything new is reported locally.

[deminks]

74. Charges have now been filed!

One person has been charged. My link above has been updated. Also CNN has been updated.

[classof56]

67. Not long ago a friend sent me an article about a similar incident...

a baby was cut out of its mother's body, but it happened in a South American country. My buddy (a Bush supporter who knows how upset I was about the election) made the comment, "This is why I'm glad I live in the good ol' USA and not some foreign country." As I told him when I sent him this article today...evil knows no boundaries.

This is a ghastly occurrence. I only hope the baby is okay (hear it's been found now) and the people who did this horrible thing are held accountable and spend the next oh, 50 or 60 years behind bars.

Tired Old Cynic

[The Flaming Red Head]

76. At least Newt isn't around to blame it on our liberal culture nt

[superconnected]

78. This has been happening a lot recently...

Quoted from the Article

"Several pregnant women have been killed in recent years by attackers who then removed their fetuses, in some cases to pass the children off as their own.

In the most recent case, a 21-year-old woman was shot to death in Oklahoma in December 2003, allegedly by another woman who pretended the 6-month-old fetus was her child. The fetus died and prosecutors are seeking the death penalty. "


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I've never heard of it before this. It's unimaginably sick. That poor woman and her family.

[regnaD kciN]

79. Remember when this was first reported. back in the mid-90s...

...and Newt Gingrich rushed out a press statement blaming it all on "the culture of liberalism"...?

:eyes:

[TheWraith]

80. Chances are

That the woman who did this has had a miscarriage or infertility problems on top of some level of mental illness or emotional disturbance. When someone's entire psychological structure revolves around becoming a parent, it's a not uncommon spot for a psychotic break, though usually it gets channeled into kidnapping rather than something this extreme.

[AngryOldDem]

83. Woman had lost a baby, AP reports

Just read a story online that said the suspect had lost a baby and had faked the rest of her pregnancy to her family.

Losing a baby is difficult (understatment of the year). It is not much of a stretch to say that in some women, it can possibly lead to a psychotic break.

How very, very tragic.