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spinbaby
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Wed Dec-29-04 06:44 AM Original message |
Court Backs Firing of Waitress Without Makeup |
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Cerridwen
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Wed Dec-29-04 06:47 AM Response to Original message |
1. The little drops of water that gradually wear away any |
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barb162
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
299. you expressed my feelings quite well. We are going backward |
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Florida_Geek
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Wed Dec-29-04 06:48 AM Response to Original message |
2. Call me strange but I would |
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BadGimp
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
217. ok |
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ElsewheresDaughter
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Thu Dec-30-04 07:10 AM Response to Reply #2 |
281. ditto |
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jman0
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Wed Dec-29-04 06:53 AM Response to Original message |
3. freaky |
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R Hickey
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Wed Dec-29-04 06:59 AM Response to Original message |
4. I think the judge made a fair decision. |
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Dr Batsen D Belfry
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:21 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. I respectfully disagree |
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AliciaKeyedUp
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:28 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Where do you stand on the Hooters issue? |
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MadHound
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:53 AM Response to Reply #14 |
81. Well, there is not only the issue of sexual discrimination, |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:46 AM Response to Reply #11 |
20. What if one of the job duties of a bartender is also.... |
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AliciaKeyedUp
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:48 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Can a strip club be sued |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:51 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Exactly. n/t |
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Eloriel
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Wed Dec-29-04 10:38 AM Response to Reply #20 |
87. tx_dem |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 10:45 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. When I mentioned strip clubs.... |
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Megahurtz
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:12 PM Response to Reply #88 |
227. No offense tx_dem41, but... |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:14 PM Response to Reply #227 |
228. No offense, but... |
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Megahurtz
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:28 PM Response to Reply #228 |
230. Okay, now I'm really stumped, |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:33 PM Response to Reply #230 |
231. Let me make it easy then.... |
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Megahurtz
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Wed Dec-29-04 10:41 PM Response to Reply #231 |
249. I wasn't going on any quotes, |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 10:51 PM Response to Reply #249 |
250. So you made a statement about how you thought I felt..... |
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Megahurtz
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:46 PM Response to Reply #250 |
298. Well it's pretty obvious!!! |
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tx_dem41
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Fri Dec-31-04 06:46 AM Response to Reply #298 |
310. If you can't find a quote to back your assertion.... |
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CTLawGuy
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:40 AM Response to Reply #87 |
109. The New York Yankees |
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Ripley
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:45 AM Response to Reply #109 |
111. Is it for the viewing pleasure of female baseball fans? |
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CTLawGuy
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Wed Dec-29-04 12:18 PM Response to Reply #111 |
121. Im sure the viewing pleasure |
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Ripley
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Wed Dec-29-04 12:25 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. That is the most sexist post I've read on DU> |
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CTLawGuy
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:07 PM Response to Reply #122 |
222. thanks for the melodrama |
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Cheswick2.0
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Wed Dec-29-04 03:44 PM Response to Reply #121 |
180. darboy, come on |
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CTLawGuy
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:10 PM Response to Reply #180 |
225. no |
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phylny
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Fri Dec-31-04 12:44 PM Response to Reply #225 |
315. Proper grooming for women should include |
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Cheswick2.0
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Wed Dec-29-04 03:36 PM Response to Reply #109 |
177. Do they Yankees allow their female players to grow beards? |
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CTLawGuy
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:12 PM Response to Reply #177 |
226. Im |
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okieinpain
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Wed Dec-29-04 03:07 PM Response to Reply #87 |
173. hey check this out. my daughter works for hooters as a waitress, |
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Megahurtz
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:22 PM Response to Reply #173 |
229. LOL!!! |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:05 PM Response to Reply #87 |
221. You go Eloriel!! |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:10 PM Response to Reply #221 |
224. Of course the one problem with the eloquence was that... |
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theboss
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:29 PM Response to Reply #87 |
259. You can take my Hooters.... |
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Vektor
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Thu Dec-30-04 06:40 AM Response to Reply #20 |
280. A weighty issue indeed. |
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Sat Jan-01-05 02:58 AM Response to Reply #20 |
321. the plumpers do just fine in the strip clubs |
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jdj
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:04 AM Response to Reply #11 |
98. I would sue them to pay for the makeup and hair products then. |
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Bono71
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #98 |
160. You wouldn't win...there is nothing requiring this woman to take |
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Cheswick2.0
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Wed Dec-29-04 03:37 PM Response to Reply #160 |
178. wrong |
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ElsewheresDaughter
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Thu Dec-30-04 07:18 AM Response to Reply #178 |
282. sounds to me like what they want to do is get rid of her because of |
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Boosterman
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:46 PM Response to Reply #98 |
213. Actually companies arent required |
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LiberalFighter
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Thu Dec-30-04 10:37 PM Response to Reply #213 |
308. If I recall my teenage years... waitresses paid for the uniforms |
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October
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Thu Dec-30-04 05:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
300. My husband is a pilot |
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Puglover
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Fri Dec-31-04 07:45 AM Response to Reply #300 |
312. Your husband can't have a beard because |
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tx_dem41
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Fri Dec-31-04 07:50 AM Response to Reply #312 |
313. So why does his hair need to be cut short? n/t |
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October
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Fri Dec-31-04 11:37 PM Response to Reply #313 |
318. According to his Company's Flight Ops. Manual |
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tx_dem41
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Sat Jan-01-05 09:33 AM Response to Reply #318 |
326. So, in other words, much the same reasoning as Harrah's is using.. |
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October
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Sat Jan-01-05 09:49 AM Response to Reply #326 |
327. Yes |
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October
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Fri Dec-31-04 11:05 PM Response to Reply #312 |
317. That's right! |
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Hekate
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:24 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Perhaps it was a BFOQ, perhaps not--but after 20 years? |
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R Hickey
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:17 AM Response to Reply #13 |
73. I would think the "after 20 years" arguement would have done better |
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HereSince1628
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:31 AM Response to Reply #73 |
78. I am guessing 20 years of employment is also a hint at the real |
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jdj
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:07 AM Response to Reply #78 |
99. yes, that is kind of strange. |
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Boosterman
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:50 PM Response to Reply #99 |
215. Not likely the bartender would be a manager unless he was stupid |
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Boosterman
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:48 PM Response to Reply #78 |
214. Thats possible but more likely is the fact |
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MADem
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:19 PM Response to Reply #78 |
257. I think you hit the nail on the head |
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ronnykmarshall
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:50 PM Response to Reply #73 |
142. I agree. |
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KamaAina
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Wed Dec-29-04 03:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
185. What is "Polynesian appearance"? I know a Hawaiian who is blonde |
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Hekate
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:52 AM Response to Reply #185 |
278. Well, KamaAina, you know the answer as well as I do! |
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leesa
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:49 AM Response to Reply #4 |
60. Make-up is NOT dress. Many women don't like to paint their faces |
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Bono71
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:42 PM Response to Reply #60 |
166. They could simply take a job that doesn't require make-up? |
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Ms_Mary
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Wed Dec-29-04 03:57 PM Response to Reply #166 |
184. Imagine you just said that to a man. Would that be acceptable? |
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lcbart
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:15 AM Response to Reply #4 |
72. How is makeup part of a dress code ? |
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mcscajun
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Wed Dec-29-04 12:06 PM Response to Reply #72 |
117. Bless you! |
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abelenkpe
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:45 PM Response to Reply #117 |
296. I never wear makeup |
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slor
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:11 AM Response to Original message |
5. So long as we are not... |
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renaissanceguy
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:33 AM Response to Reply #5 |
17. You also might as well mandate |
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Dr Batsen D Belfry
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
6. From what I recall of my Employment Law coursework |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:50 AM Response to Reply #6 |
22. Well the job duties of a bartender are more than you describe. |
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Child_Of_Isis
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:38 AM Response to Reply #22 |
55. Attracting customers? |
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Ripley
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Wed Dec-29-04 10:49 AM Response to Reply #22 |
89. Then why didn't they fire her in the last 20 years? |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 10:51 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Where on this thread have I made any statement about the .... |
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Ripley
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Wed Dec-29-04 10:58 AM Response to Reply #90 |
94. What more do you need to know? |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:01 AM Response to Reply #94 |
96. I know very little about the bartender or management from this article.... |
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ronnykmarshall
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:32 PM Response to Reply #94 |
130. From what I read |
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Ripley
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:36 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. Yes, let's all cry for the men who want to wear Maybelline, but can't. |
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ronnykmarshall
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:46 PM Response to Reply #131 |
137. You've never lived in LA have you? |
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Kire
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Fri Dec-31-04 12:20 PM Response to Reply #131 |
314. you are a hypocrite, aren't you? |
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CTLawGuy
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:44 PM Response to Reply #130 |
237. of course not |
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MercutioATC
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:46 PM Response to Reply #94 |
139. What about a woman who refused to wear a bra in a conservative |
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Cheswick2.0
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Wed Dec-29-04 03:49 PM Response to Reply #139 |
182. There is no comparison |
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MercutioATC
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Wed Dec-29-04 06:16 PM Response to Reply #182 |
202. Why not? It's an inequal requirement. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:37 AM Response to Reply #94 |
275. Men are the ones that should |
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ronnykmarshall
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:54 PM Response to Reply #89 |
145. Perhaps you should go back and read the article ... |
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Eloriel
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:14 AM Response to Reply #22 |
104. Nonsense |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:19 AM Original message |
What is degrading about saying.. |
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Eloriel
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
112. I'm not at all surprised you can't see it |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:55 AM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Where in my post did I even mention female vs. male? |
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MercutioATC
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:50 PM Response to Reply #112 |
143. Female AND male servers are supposed to generate sales. |
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ronnykmarshall
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:59 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. Ever been to The Rio in Las Vegas? |
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MercutioATC
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:03 PM Response to Reply #146 |
148. That's exactly my point. |
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ronnykmarshall
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:17 PM Response to Reply #148 |
156. They also are singers and dancers. |
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MercutioATC
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:23 PM Response to Reply #156 |
159. I never really got into the entertainment, but I'll agree that they make |
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ronnykmarshall
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:37 PM Response to Reply #159 |
165. Many reasons |
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VegasWolf
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:26 PM Response to Reply #156 |
162. I've had much better luck with the machines downtown! n/t |
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ronnykmarshall
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:33 PM Response to Reply #162 |
164. Me too. |
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VegasWolf
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #164 |
167. Oscar Goodman was trying to promote a Transvestite Club downtown, |
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ronnykmarshall
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:49 PM Response to Reply #167 |
169. Well I hope NOT! |
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VegasWolf
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:53 PM Response to Reply #169 |
171. LOL. Beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder! n/t |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:04 PM Response to Reply #146 |
149. That's okay, Ronny |
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ronnykmarshall
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:19 PM Response to Reply #149 |
158. Yup! |
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theboss
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:35 PM Response to Reply #146 |
260. Ever been to Taj in AC... |
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Sat Jan-01-05 04:51 AM Response to Reply #112 |
322. What you talkin' 'bout 'loriel? |
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Boosterman
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:57 PM Response to Reply #104 |
241. Welll |
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Union Thug
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:25 PM Response to Reply #22 |
126. Oh pleeeeezzzz... Attracting customers? |
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
129. Then she really ought to be topless or bottomless |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:37 PM Response to Reply #129 |
132. Isn't that a sexist statement in itself? |
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ronnykmarshall
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:01 PM Response to Reply #132 |
147. Oh you LIAR!! |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:06 PM Response to Reply #147 |
152. Can I plead the fifth on DU.... |
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sandnsea
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:13 PM Response to Reply #132 |
155. Are you really? |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:18 PM Response to Reply #155 |
157. Please point out where I said that.... |
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ronnykmarshall
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:25 PM Response to Reply #157 |
161. Is that crickets I hear? |
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Wed Dec-29-04 03:55 PM Response to Reply #157 |
183. admit it |
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Wed Dec-29-04 04:03 PM Response to Reply #183 |
186. Deleted message |
InvisibleBallots
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Wed Dec-29-04 05:13 PM Response to Reply #186 |
193. heh, ouch! |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 06:00 PM Response to Reply #186 |
197. Please point out where I edited my posts more than a minute or two... |
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ronnykmarshall
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Wed Dec-29-04 06:28 PM Response to Reply #197 |
204. Oh tx, |
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ronnykmarshall
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Wed Dec-29-04 06:21 PM Response to Reply #186 |
203. Pigs, trolls and gay men? |
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ronnykmarshall
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:43 PM Response to Reply #203 |
236. Still waiting for a resonse to the pig, troll and gay men comment. |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 05:53 PM Response to Reply #183 |
194. No.....in that post, I said the following... |
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Boosterman
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:57 PM Response to Reply #155 |
218. If the casinos could get away with |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:01 PM Response to Reply #218 |
219. Very interesting.....please tell us more about how the casino industry... |
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Boosterman
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:37 PM Response to Reply #219 |
234. Well I can try and remember you did ask (extremely long) |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:44 PM Response to Reply #234 |
238. Thank you...it didn't bore me at all.... |
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Boosterman
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:52 PM Response to Reply #238 |
240. Its possible |
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Boosterman
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:49 PM Response to Reply #219 |
239. Doh I did an overview and didn't back up what I said |
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Cheswick2.0
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Wed Dec-29-04 03:41 PM Response to Reply #22 |
179. so you are saying she should be forced to prostitute herself |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 06:01 PM Response to Reply #179 |
198. How do you infer that from a post... |
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amazona
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Wed Dec-29-04 06:38 PM Response to Reply #22 |
206. in Reno? NAH! |
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ronnykmarshall
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Wed Dec-29-04 06:42 PM Response to Reply #206 |
207. Not that I agree with the women being fired |
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amazona
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Thu Dec-30-04 11:19 AM Response to Reply #207 |
292. the policy has not been enforced |
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LizW
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:30 AM Response to Reply #6 |
46. I agree, Dr. B |
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Ripley
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Wed Dec-29-04 10:52 AM Response to Reply #46 |
92. Or get breast implants? |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 10:56 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. From what I understand, its in a casino.... |
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Ripley
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:01 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Then who is she wearing makeup for? |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:03 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. I would say that our society has always been sexist. |
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ronnykmarshall
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:42 PM Response to Reply #93 |
134. and I think that is the point. |
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TahitiNut
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Wed Dec-29-04 06:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
200. Well, how else can they get away with replacing her with a younger ... |
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The Zanti Regent
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
7. Your liberal 9th Circuit in action! |
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InvisibleBallots
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
67. Funny, lots of Fundies disapprove of makeup on women |
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:30 PM Response to Reply #67 |
163. I think the "Corportista" are the real brains behind the "jesusistias"n/t |
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Wed Dec-29-04 06:49 PM Response to Reply #163 |
211. yeah, and it's the Jesusistas behind the CASINOs? |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:02 PM Response to Reply #211 |
220. Well I think you are right |
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Wed Dec-29-04 10:01 PM Response to Reply #220 |
247. LOL. Really, I haven't seen many disgusted faces in the casinos, |
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:16 AM Response to Original message |
8. If I was her I'd put on clown make-up just to see hwt they'd do, or KISS |
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:20 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. LOL... |
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:30 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Millions over makeup? |
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:54 AM Response to Reply #15 |
26. She would win because |
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:56 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Ah, the ridiculous policy defense |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:30 AM Response to Reply #29 |
45. Yep, that explains why... |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:35 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. They are ALL reasons companies go under |
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:09 AM Original message |
This falls under "poor management" |
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Wed Dec-29-04 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
195. The policy wouldn't LOSE millions without a judgment |
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:56 AM Response to Reply #48 |
114. Nuh huh. You were asked for stats on how many companies |
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Wed Dec-29-04 06:00 PM Response to Reply #114 |
196. I don't know of any organization that tracks such things |
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Wed Dec-29-04 10:11 AM Response to Reply #45 |
85. let's get those reforms, you know the court control |
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:45 PM Response to Reply #26 |
168. Oh damn those evil casinos! |
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Good idea! |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:16 AM Response to Reply #8 |
38. There is definitely more to this story than meets the eye |
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
140. I read the article; they have guidelines |
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Wed Dec-29-04 03:30 PM Response to Reply #140 |
176. And do you see how females are required to do more for "Personal Best" |
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Wed Dec-29-04 04:40 PM Response to Reply #176 |
188. Now let's translate this part... |
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Wed Dec-29-04 06:43 PM Response to Reply #188 |
209. but it isn't Hooter's with slot machines |
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Thu Dec-30-04 10:21 AM Response to Reply #188 |
289. Good god! |
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Thu Dec-30-04 11:16 AM Response to Reply #289 |
291. fat women work at Harrahs for pity's sake |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:08 PM Response to Reply #140 |
223. You would have to be a suit to make |
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Sat Jan-01-05 05:12 AM Response to Reply #8 |
323. "make-up enhances a woman's appearance" |
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
9. The problem is how much cosmetic appeal employers will demand in |
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:30 AM Response to Original message |
16. Lambda's involved so the plot thickens... |
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:35 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Is the woman a lesbian? |
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:45 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Her sexual orientation should not be the issue at all I am a married |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:13 AM Response to Reply #19 |
37. I, too, am married and makeup-free |
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Wed Dec-29-04 12:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
115. Exactly. I do wear some natural makeup, but I've quit wearing it for the |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:36 AM Response to Reply #18 |
51. I have no idea, and... |
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
150. She's 49 |
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
24. Some religions forbid women to wear makeup, if she were refusing |
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:54 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. So let me ask you |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:03 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. If she were a Muslim, she wouldn't apply for a job as a stripper, and yes |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:04 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Job description |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:20 AM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Do you not realize that you are arguing against yourself? |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:26 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. How is she arguing against herself? |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:32 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Read the phrasing of her question, read what she said. . . |
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:08 AM Response to Reply #47 |
68. Please point out which of my posts "approved of objectifying... |
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #68 |
170. Once again ........... here come them crickets. |
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Wed Dec-29-04 04:08 PM Response to Reply #68 |
187. every single one of them |
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:20 PM Response to Reply #41 |
123. This bartender was able to attract customers for 20 years |
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:40 PM Response to Reply #123 |
133. I agree with you. That's why I have clearly stated .... |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:29 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I am not attacking anyone |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:35 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. No, it was used to make an illogical argument that had nothing to |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:37 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Bartenders are supposed to serve customers |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:39 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. BULLSHIT! |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:47 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Is it possible to be more respectful in the debate? |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:54 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. In other words, you can't provide an example. |
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:01 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Ummm...since you didn't address the question to me, |
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:03 AM Response to Reply #64 |
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:51 AM Response to Reply #64 |
80. due to poor bartenders |
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:53 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Where did I say that it was due to the bartenders .... |
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:19 AM Response to Reply #82 |
107. your words |
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:39 AM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Your assumption that I am talking about the specific case... |
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:43 PM Response to Reply #64 |
136. All because the female bartenders didn't wear make-up? |
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:49 PM Response to Reply #136 |
141. Where did I say that in my post....in fact, |
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Wed Dec-29-04 06:03 PM Response to Reply #56 |
199. That is one component |
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Wed Dec-29-04 12:05 PM Response to Reply #52 |
116. You are really reaching here |
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Wed Dec-29-04 12:14 PM Response to Reply #33 |
120. why bother to defend this company anyway, AliciaKeyedUp? |
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Wed Dec-29-04 10:52 PM Response to Reply #120 |
251. Honestly, I don't think it's a big requirement |
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:03 PM Response to Reply #251 |
254. I think telling someone they don't look reasonably nice without |
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:18 PM Response to Reply #254 |
256. If she really doesn't like it, she should quit |
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Thu Dec-30-04 10:45 AM Response to Reply #256 |
290. So you like and support sexism? |
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Thu Dec-30-04 05:54 PM Response to Reply #290 |
302. It's not sexism to be expected to try and look nice |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:07 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I would contend that attracting customers is definitely part of the |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:24 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Nonsense. What attracts customers to a bar is alcohol, not the bartender |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:29 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Well, I guess that's why you never see attractive people in |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:37 AM Response to Reply #43 |
54. So tell me, when you go to a bar, do you spend more time checking out |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:49 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. I go for the atmosphere which includes everything you .. |
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:12 AM Response to Reply #59 |
103. Wow. I have seen some butt-ugly ass 40ish male bartenders in my day. |
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:16 AM Response to Reply #103 |
105. The bars I go to have a couple... |
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Wed Dec-29-04 03:47 PM Response to Reply #54 |
181. When the bartenders look this ......... |
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Sat Jan-01-05 05:32 AM Response to Reply #54 |
324. I'm going to have to disagree with you there... |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:30 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. What attracts customers to bars is alcohol |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:35 AM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Exactly right Alicia.... |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:37 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. You're only human |
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Wed Dec-29-04 12:08 PM Response to Reply #53 |
118. Perhaps we get it and disagree with it. nt |
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Wed Dec-29-04 12:14 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Why is saying that I went to a bar because I liked |
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:09 PM Response to Reply #119 |
154. Not at all, maybe I was reading too much into Alicia's statement |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:47 AM Response to Reply #50 |
58. Okay. |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:56 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. No....its to provide an atmosphere where people want to congregate |
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:04 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. So, you select bars that only have |
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:10 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Where did I say that? |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:56 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. That would appear to be their argument. |
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:46 PM Response to Reply #50 |
138. Well I went to one with a 350 lb. bald ass middle aged man. |
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:52 PM Response to Reply #138 |
144. Lol....well you can't argue with that! |
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Wed Dec-29-04 10:07 AM Response to Reply #34 |
83. Sorry, but that arguement falls apart when you look at many bars |
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Wed Dec-29-04 10:30 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Well, since I never said that the "looks of the waitresses,etc" were |
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:12 AM Response to Reply #32 |
274. You have a point |
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:43 AM Response to Reply #27 |
110. She has done the job as she is for 20 years. She did not just sign on |
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
25. That is horribly sexist... |
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:27 AM Response to Reply #25 |
75. yee ha! |
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Wed Dec-29-04 04:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
190. Sometimes fine couture is just not enough |
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
28. Only one job requires makeup |
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:58 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Only one job? |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:08 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Agreed for the most part (though there are other jobs that require it). |
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:08 AM Response to Reply #35 |
101. How did it backfire, you got 4 free suits unless he docked your pay |
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:28 PM Response to Reply #101 |
128. It backfired because I had to wear the damned things :) |
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Thu Dec-30-04 10:30 PM Response to Reply #128 |
307. I would have picked out the most expensive ones I could find. lol |
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:09 AM Response to Reply #28 |
69. Why should anybody do what the boss asks? |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:00 AM Response to Original message |
31. I'll pass on this company |
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Wed Dec-29-04 06:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
212. good for you but not easy to do this any more |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
36. What about "natural" beauty? |
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:11 AM Response to Reply #36 |
71. Two Things |
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:23 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. I agree definitely with your #2. |
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:28 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. He's Still Doing It |
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:41 PM Response to Reply #71 |
261. I think you're right |
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Wed Dec-29-04 06:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
208. Oh, they've got one... |
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:25 PM Response to Reply #208 |
258. What a load of crap! |
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
77. In the 90's I worked for a national restaurant chain that had a strict |
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
79. As a former bartender and a current model... |
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Wed Dec-29-04 10:10 AM Response to Reply #79 |
84. eww we could fix her up real cute.... |
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:09 PM Response to Reply #79 |
153. Good ol Mimi! |
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Wed Dec-29-04 03:02 PM Response to Reply #79 |
172. Ahhh wear horrible looking make-up, great solution, I like that. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:00 AM Response to Reply #79 |
273. 2 things I disagree with |
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Thu Dec-30-04 10:09 AM Response to Reply #273 |
286. Make up required for modelling |
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Thu Dec-30-04 10:16 AM Response to Reply #286 |
287. You model lingerie..... |
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Wed Dec-29-04 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
91. What's next. corsets, breast or fanny pads, How about we are going |
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
100. Makeup ingredients are often toxic.... |
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:17 AM Response to Reply #100 |
106. thanks, I wasn't gonna, but you did... |
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Sat Jan-01-05 06:08 AM Response to Reply #106 |
325. it's a lie: sodium lauryl sulfate is safe |
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Wed Dec-29-04 05:10 PM Response to Reply #100 |
192. Thank you for posting this. |
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
102. Define 'grooming and appearance standards' -- breast implants, blonds |
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:22 PM Response to Reply #102 |
125. exactly. thanks for making the point. /eom |
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:56 AM Response to Reply #102 |
272. Heh. There are a lot of cocktails that get breast augmentation |
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
124. Guess I won't EVER frequent Harrah's... |
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
127. Well, here at the strip it's mostly black leather. n/t |
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Wed Dec-29-04 01:42 PM Response to Reply #127 |
135. Vegaswolf....why are you so cruel to put that visual image... |
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Wed Dec-29-04 02:05 PM Response to Reply #135 |
151. LOL. No, but my wife does occasionally. n/t |
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Wed Dec-29-04 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
174. I remember talking once with a waitress in Reno |
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Wed Dec-29-04 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
175. Courts Forcing Women to Paint Their Faces Soon Will Force Childbirth. |
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Wed Dec-29-04 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
189. Hmmm.... |
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Wed Dec-29-04 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
191. do they give a makeup allowance in addition to their paycheck? |
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:24 PM Response to Reply #191 |
244. Nope and they dont have too legally |
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Wed Dec-29-04 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
201. I could never work there. I am severely allergic to make up. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 07:23 PM Response to Reply #201 |
306. Some people have religious objections to wearing makeup. - n/t |
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amazona
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Wed Dec-29-04 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
205. Ok I've been to Harrah's Reno anyone else? |
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VegasWolf
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Wed Dec-29-04 07:52 PM Response to Reply #205 |
216. They sound like the waitresses at the old downtown casinos. n/t |
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Wed Dec-29-04 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
210. Wonder if they require the men to get rid of stray eyebrows? |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
232. I can't believe we are even having this argument...??!!! |
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:39 PM Response to Reply #232 |
235. Is it ok to wear shorts, t-shirt, and flip-flops.... |
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:08 PM Response to Reply #235 |
243. So what are you saying? Is this true about your place of employment? |
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:31 PM Response to Reply #243 |
245. Heh I like your attitude about the managers |
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Wed Dec-29-04 10:55 PM Response to Reply #243 |
252. Its not a hypothetical and I don't do sales.... |
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Megahurtz
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Wed Dec-29-04 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
233. You know what really sucks about this story? |
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:42 AM Response to Reply #233 |
271. That's the definition of an at-will employee |
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Boosterman
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
242. Ya know forget all this makeup stuff |
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Wed Dec-29-04 10:05 PM Response to Reply #242 |
248. That's one of the many reasons that I tip them so generously. n/t |
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Wed Dec-29-04 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
246. This reminds me of The Handmaid's Tale |
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tx_dem41
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:03 PM Response to Reply #246 |
253. This was at a casino bar....if this bar was like casino bars I have been.. |
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Boosterman
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:11 PM Response to Reply #253 |
255. Whats really odd is that |
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stanwyck
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:51 AM Response to Reply #253 |
277. I was making a comparison |
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tx_dem41
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Thu Dec-30-04 07:26 AM Response to Reply #277 |
284. Actually, if you read some of the posts by Boosterman and others... |
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Boosterman
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:01 PM Response to Reply #277 |
295. Well like I said |
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Child_Of_Isis
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Thu Dec-30-04 10:18 AM Response to Reply #246 |
288. This is what happens when Freepers take over. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #288 |
293. Or in this thread.... |
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Child_Of_Isis
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Thu Dec-30-04 05:02 PM Response to Reply #293 |
301. Anymore, there is at least |
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NYC
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
262. SEXIST. |
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Boosterman
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:54 PM Response to Reply #262 |
263. Hmm then how do you feel about |
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NYC
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:58 PM Response to Reply #263 |
264. Equally sexist. |
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theboss
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:11 AM Response to Reply #264 |
265. How about men being forced to wear ties? |
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NYC
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:18 AM Response to Reply #265 |
266. Makeup is not clothing. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:19 AM Response to Reply #266 |
267. How about grooming? |
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NYC
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:21 AM Response to Reply #267 |
268. Makeup is not grooming. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:40 AM Response to Reply #268 |
270. I dunno...It seems like an arbitrary cutting off point |
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Fri Dec-31-04 07:35 AM Response to Reply #265 |
311. it is MEN forcing men to wear ties |
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Thu Dec-30-04 07:27 AM Response to Reply #262 |
285. Deleted message |
Fleshdancer
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
269. and if she goes to work wearing Goth makeup?? |
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Thu Dec-30-04 06:29 AM Response to Reply #269 |
279. Most companies have handbooks |
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Sat Jan-01-05 01:55 AM Response to Reply #269 |
320. i love you!!!! |
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Mike Niendorff
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:45 AM Response to Original message |
276. sorry, but this is 100% consistent with existing precedent. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 07:20 AM Response to Original message |
283. sounds to me like what they want to do is get rid of her because of |
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Liberal In Texas
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Thu Dec-30-04 06:00 PM Response to Reply #283 |
303. BINGO, ElsewheresD |
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Boosterman
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Thu Dec-30-04 06:35 PM Response to Reply #283 |
305. Well that might be part of it |
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
294. I would have come in wearing clown makeup |
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Megahurtz
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
297. delete |
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AngryAmish
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Thu Dec-30-04 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
304. This also is a very long thread |
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Bo
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Thu Dec-30-04 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
309. giveme a chinaco |
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Fri Dec-31-04 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
316. If women knew the ingredients in makeup the makeup industry |
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Sat Jan-01-05 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
319. Bad Framing of the arguement.. |
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