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rainbow4321
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:53 PM Original message |
Court upholds brain-damaged woman's case (Schiavo) |
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MADem
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
1. Anyone think the Supremes will touch this? |
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Gnaeus
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Wed Dec-29-04 11:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. No. |
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barb162
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
188. How can they tell us how they feel about it if they don't rule on it? |
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Thu Dec-30-04 05:25 PM Response to Reply #188 |
210. They do it all the time |
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barb162
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Thu Dec-30-04 06:20 PM Response to Reply #210 |
216. but we don't know the reasoning behind these decisions to take |
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janx
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Sat Jan-01-05 01:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
305. Really? |
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Thu Dec-30-04 05:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
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Just Me
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
3. Talk about perpetuating suffering,...geez. n/t |
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Kimber Scott
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:11 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I can think of easier ways to die than starving to death. |
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Catchawave
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:18 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Exactly ! n/t |
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bettyellen
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
186. starving actually happens alot to those who have alzheimers, my mom's |
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TexasBushwhacker
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Thu Dec-30-04 06:15 PM Response to Reply #186 |
214. Endstage cancer patients as well |
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Isere
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
4. The lesson to be learned from this |
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katinmn
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
6. This is insane. She's brain dead. Never coming back. |
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traco
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:21 AM Response to Reply #6 |
41. She is not brain dead |
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Walt Starr
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Thu Dec-30-04 09:18 AM Response to Reply #41 |
147. Okay, she's cerebrum dead |
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barb162
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:56 PM Response to Reply #41 |
191. I think the definition of brain dead refers to more than brain stem |
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barb162
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
192. would you say she is irreversibly unconscious? Because that's |
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traco
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Thu Dec-30-04 10:22 PM Response to Reply #192 |
231. She has moments of consciousness |
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janx
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Fri Dec-31-04 02:41 PM Response to Reply #231 |
257. What kind of counselor was this? |
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traco
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Fri Dec-31-04 05:15 PM Response to Reply #257 |
262. It was a therapist, |
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janx
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Fri Dec-31-04 06:27 PM Response to Reply #262 |
264. Yes? |
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DemBones DemBones
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
7. No, they upheld the disabled woman's husband's case. |
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Liberal In Texas
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:29 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. She's not disabled |
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traco
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:23 AM Response to Reply #11 |
44. She is not brain dead |
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OldLeftieLawyer
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:31 AM Response to Reply #44 |
52. That's ALL? |
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420inTN
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Thu Dec-30-04 05:44 PM Response to Reply #52 |
211. re: "Anyone who would dare to question his devotion and loyalty ... " |
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alarimer
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Thu Dec-30-04 07:18 PM Response to Reply #211 |
217. this has what has always bothered me |
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420inTN
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Thu Dec-30-04 07:37 PM Response to Reply #217 |
218. Yup, I agree. n/t |
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msanthrope
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Thu Dec-30-04 08:50 PM Response to Reply #217 |
228. Husband took her to California to have electrodes implanted in |
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rainbow4321
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Thu Dec-30-04 10:27 PM Response to Reply #228 |
232. Yet one year after the $$ settlement he refused... |
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shrike
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Fri Dec-31-04 06:45 PM Response to Reply #228 |
266. And not a damned thing will |
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janx
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Fri Dec-31-04 06:52 PM Response to Reply #266 |
268. That is tragic, yes. And Terri doesn't even have the mind of |
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Erika
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:34 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. She is not disabled |
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LisaL
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:37 AM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Her "husband" has two children by another woman. |
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OldLeftieLawyer
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:33 AM Response to Reply #22 |
56. Believe it or not |
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bones_7672
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Fri Dec-31-04 03:44 PM Response to Reply #56 |
260. The scumbag husband made a vow to his wife, and when it got |
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DemBones DemBones
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Mon Jan-03-05 05:36 AM Response to Reply #56 |
312. It's not the institution of marriage that concerns me, not |
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Sat Jan-01-05 01:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
303. Being abobut the same age that Terry was when she lost her brain... |
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DemBones DemBones
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:02 AM Response to Reply #12 |
33. That's your opinion. People have recovered from conditions like hers |
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tnliberaldemocrat
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:15 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. You're kidding, right? |
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DemBones DemBones
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:32 AM Response to Reply #38 |
53. There are differences of medical opinion about her condition. nt |
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OldLeftieLawyer
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:35 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. No, there are not |
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traco
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:44 AM Response to Reply #57 |
67. So have her tested to see if she can be trained to eat |
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OldLeftieLawyer
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:45 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. "trained to eat"??? |
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traco
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:51 AM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Do you live there? |
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OldLeftieLawyer
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Thu Dec-30-04 10:35 AM Response to Reply #73 |
159. Because I am open to the possibilities |
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traco
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:21 PM Response to Reply #159 |
175. You are not open to possibilities |
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KinkyDem
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:29 PM Response to Reply #175 |
196. My mind IS made up |
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OldLeftieLawyer
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:35 PM Response to Reply #175 |
199. The benefit of the doubt ? |
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janx
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Fri Dec-31-04 01:46 PM Response to Reply #175 |
252. Hoping that this woman can be "cured" is like waiting for |
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shrike
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Fri Dec-31-04 06:47 PM Response to Reply #175 |
267. The possibility that she can be helped is remote indeed |
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janx
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Fri Dec-31-04 09:00 PM Response to Reply #267 |
276. The possibility is nonexistent. |
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shrike
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Fri Dec-31-04 09:20 PM Response to Reply #276 |
278. True |
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janx
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Fri Dec-31-04 10:09 PM Response to Reply #278 |
285. Understood-- |
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phylny
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Fri Dec-31-04 07:15 AM Response to Reply #73 |
242. No one in their right mind would ever try feeding her by mouth. |
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LisaL
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:54 AM Response to Reply #69 |
78. She is not on life support except for a feeding tube. |
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Walt Starr
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Thu Dec-30-04 09:22 AM Response to Reply #78 |
148. Her cerebellum is functioning just fine! |
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OldLeftieLawyer
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Thu Dec-30-04 10:34 AM Response to Reply #78 |
158. Please |
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traco
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:25 PM Response to Reply #158 |
176. If she had been getting the therapy she needed |
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KinkyDem
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:32 PM Response to Reply #176 |
197. You couldn't handle the truth |
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OldLeftieLawyer
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:38 PM Response to Reply #176 |
200. Her body doesn't manufacture saliva |
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janx
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Fri Dec-31-04 02:46 PM Response to Reply #200 |
258. I'm interested in your book! |
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phylny
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Fri Dec-31-04 07:19 AM Response to Reply #78 |
244. See above. No way you feed someone who isn't |
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bettyellen
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Fri Dec-31-04 10:08 PM Response to Reply #67 |
284. so you would let her choke to death!! oh my how nice you are!! |
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DemBones DemBones
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Mon Jan-03-05 05:47 AM Response to Reply #57 |
313. Can you substantiate the claim that |
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davis_islander
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Thu Dec-30-04 08:14 AM Response to Reply #38 |
135. Link please |
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Runcible Spoon
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:17 PM Response to Reply #135 |
167. "liquid" cortex..... |
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bleedingheart
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Thu Dec-30-04 09:09 AM Response to Reply #33 |
145. Actually I think the Catholic Church would grant him an annullment |
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tblue37
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:28 PM Response to Reply #33 |
166. Didn't he get |
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truebrit71
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:47 PM Response to Reply #33 |
171. Please provide a link to back this up....I have heard of NO-ONE that has |
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420inTN
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Thu Dec-30-04 05:25 PM Response to Reply #33 |
209. He can not divorce Terri because Florida law does not allow it. |
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phylny
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Fri Dec-31-04 07:12 AM Response to Reply #33 |
241. Patently untrue. |
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traco
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:24 AM Response to Reply #12 |
45. She is not brain dead |
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BlueEyedSon
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Thu Dec-30-04 05:42 AM Response to Reply #45 |
124. You keep repeating this inane mantra, and obviously have no clue |
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Walt Starr
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Thu Dec-30-04 09:23 AM Response to Reply #45 |
149. She has a functioning cerebellum, but no functioning cerebrum! |
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truebrit71
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:53 PM Response to Reply #45 |
172. You repeat the same thing over and over again... |
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spotbird
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Fri Dec-31-04 08:10 PM Response to Reply #45 |
273. A feeding tube is an artificial method of life support. |
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barb162
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
189. umm, her parents think she is not brain dead, whether they are |
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Pithlet
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:44 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Why don't people see it your way? |
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SW FL Dem
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:13 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Well Put |
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DemBones DemBones
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:26 AM Response to Reply #14 |
46. Let me put it another way. Most disability rights activists are very |
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Pithlet
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:31 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Most? |
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libertad
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Thu Dec-30-04 08:45 AM Response to Reply #46 |
137. I agree with you about his motives being questionable. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 11:42 PM Response to Reply #137 |
237. It is irreversible, you know. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 10:52 AM Response to Reply #46 |
160. I agree |
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bettyellen
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Fri Dec-31-04 10:38 PM Response to Reply #160 |
288. if she were at all concious she'd be ripping out that feeding tube with |
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Thu Dec-30-04 10:56 AM Response to Reply #46 |
163. That is just horseshit! |
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420inTN
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Thu Dec-30-04 05:54 PM Response to Reply #163 |
212. re: "The courts have decided, based upon expert testimony..." |
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rainbow4321
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:32 AM Response to Reply #7 |
21. I don't do the kool-aid, one opinion fits all thing..... |
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DemBones DemBones
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:59 PM Response to Reply #21 |
182. Nor do I. . . but this case is very troubling and the courts |
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rainbow4321
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Thu Dec-30-04 07:42 PM Response to Reply #182 |
219. If it keeps a patient out of pain.... |
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DemBones DemBones
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Mon Jan-03-05 04:51 AM Response to Reply #219 |
310. I agree completely with you about pain relief. |
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Maat
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:10 AM Original message |
I agree with you, DemBones, in that .. |
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OldLeftieLawyer
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:38 AM Response to Original message |
62. There's no $$$$ |
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rainbow4321
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:19 AM Response to Reply #62 |
97. Spent on attorney fees?? |
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traco
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:23 AM Response to Reply #97 |
102. More wonderful facts |
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bleedingheart
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Thu Dec-30-04 09:12 AM Response to Reply #102 |
146. The State of Florida is now picking up the tab through Medicaid |
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KinkyDem
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:38 PM Response to Reply #102 |
201. Show me the facts |
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rainbow4321
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Thu Dec-30-04 08:02 PM Response to Reply #201 |
223. A source besides the husband's OWN words?? |
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janx
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Thu Dec-30-04 08:03 PM Response to Reply #97 |
224. This web site was put together by Terri's parents and |
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Fri Dec-31-04 08:13 PM Response to Reply #97 |
274. In 11 years it would be simple to fly through $1mil. |
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libertad
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Thu Dec-30-04 08:47 AM Response to Reply #62 |
138. The television reports say there is still money. |
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bettyellen
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:14 PM Response to Reply #138 |
193. Not tubing a person is more humane. When you've spent months and months |
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Thu Dec-30-04 10:34 PM Response to Reply #193 |
233. Good points. I would NEVER want to be tubed. It is horrendous |
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bettyellen
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Fri Dec-31-04 11:34 PM Response to Reply #233 |
292. notice how many people say the tube is "no big deal" - they assume it's |
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janx
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Sat Jan-01-05 12:46 AM Response to Reply #292 |
295. I am so disappointed now, bettyellen. |
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bettyellen
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Sun Jan-02-05 05:36 PM Response to Reply #295 |
308. you will have another chance, you'll write it when you are moved to. |
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phylny
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Fri Dec-31-04 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
245. I have three daughters, and I love them all so much, BUT |
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janx
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Fri Dec-31-04 11:35 PM Response to Reply #245 |
293. It sure is. I have daughters too, and I love them dearly-- |
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phylny
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Fri Dec-31-04 07:27 AM Response to Original message |
246. self-deleted, duplicate n/t |
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traco
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:23 AM Response to Reply #7 |
43. and he didn't remember this until |
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rainbow4321
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:50 AM Response to Reply #43 |
113. And wasn't going to tell her parents he was withholding treatments |
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traco
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:03 AM Response to Reply #113 |
115. And, he used his girlfriend against the parents |
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Walt Starr
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Thu Dec-30-04 09:29 AM Response to Reply #115 |
153. Sorry, but under the law, her parents have no rights in the matter |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
81. I agree with you. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 08:02 AM Response to Reply #7 |
133. can't he just divorce her and be done with it? |
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KinkyDem
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #133 |
203. He could divorce her |
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Fri Dec-31-04 08:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
272. Visualize Terri as an African American prostitute |
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:18 AM Response to Original message |
8. What a total political sham this is.... |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:21 AM Response to Reply #8 |
42. Oh, I so agree... |
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traco
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:28 AM Response to Reply #8 |
48. and other doctors have come forward and said |
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Erika
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
10. Yes!!! |
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DemBones DemBones
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:06 AM Response to Reply #10 |
34. There is NO evidence that he is telling the truth about |
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BlueEyedSon
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Thu Dec-30-04 05:47 AM Response to Reply #34 |
125. I suppose there is also no evidence that he ISN'T. |
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DemBones DemBones
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Mon Jan-03-05 04:27 AM Response to Reply #125 |
309. The court is allowing a man to starve his wife to death because |
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Erika
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
13. She is brain dead. She will not feel the pain |
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LisaL
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:39 AM Response to Reply #13 |
24. You have no clue what she feels or doesn't feel. |
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pschoeb
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
184. Not if your dog had brain problems and was not moving or responsive |
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420inTN
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Thu Dec-30-04 06:06 PM Response to Reply #184 |
213. But it's legal to give a dog a lethal injection, why not Terri? |
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Thu Dec-30-04 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
15. She's already dead , has been for years and years. |
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libertad
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Thu Dec-30-04 08:48 AM Response to Reply #15 |
139. Have you seen her? |
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genieroze
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
16. I'm against this because there is no will. The parents already said they |
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Pithlet
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:19 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. No |
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genieroze
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
169. What this shows, and should be a lesson for everyone is to have |
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Erika
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:20 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. When two people marry they enter into |
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LisaL
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:28 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Oh my dear god. |
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Erika
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:38 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Reign in your histrionics, please |
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melnjones
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:40 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Proof |
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reprobate
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Fri Dec-31-04 11:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
290. The judge said so. That should settle it. Except in Jesusistan. |
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LisaL
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:41 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Would you wish your husband a life of happiness and children |
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Erika
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:48 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Why do you presume as you do? |
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LisaL
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:55 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. They were married. It was years ago. |
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Erika
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:07 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Terri's legal decision stays |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:44 AM Response to Reply #35 |
68. Exaclty. That shouldn't change |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:33 AM Response to Reply #23 |
55. It was not spent on her |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:52 AM Response to Reply #23 |
75. I am sorry, but that's crap. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:41 AM Response to Reply #20 |
64. $$$$ |
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
170. Well the judge ruled, the woman will be starved and I doubt it will go |
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Fri Dec-31-04 08:18 PM Response to Reply #170 |
275. Is it right for a cancer patient to die for want of chemo? |
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Mon Jan-03-05 05:54 AM Response to Reply #275 |
314. Good question! Those who support letting her die |
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:47 PM Response to Reply #20 |
204. in one where |
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Thu Dec-30-04 10:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
234. He evidently loves her more than her parents, who just torture her |
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Thu Dec-30-04 11:51 PM Response to Reply #234 |
239. One might say we all are in the process of dying. |
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Fri Dec-31-04 02:03 PM Response to Reply #239 |
254. Yes, and one might also say |
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:39 AM Response to Reply #16 |
25. Thank you |
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:44 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Husbands motives? |
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DemBones DemBones
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:15 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Yes, the husband who wants Terri to die so he doesn't have |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:36 AM Response to Reply #37 |
58. Also if he divorces her |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:43 AM Response to Reply #58 |
66. Please, spare me |
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Mon Jan-03-05 05:12 AM Response to Reply #66 |
311. OK, OL Lawyer, tell us why he doesn't divorce her. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:36 AM Response to Reply #37 |
60. Says you |
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:50 PM Response to Reply #60 |
205. I don't know them and I will say that I KNOW |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:56 AM Original message |
Ok, |
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:44 AM Response to Reply #16 |
28. The problem is we don't allow euthanasia. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:56 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Repeat. Check your histrionics. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:10 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Sorry, you contradict yourself. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:17 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. I don't think so |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:20 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Does marriage contract allows a husband to live with |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:28 AM Response to Reply #40 |
47. The marriage contract |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:31 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. If she is dead, how can he be her husband? |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:37 AM Response to Reply #51 |
61. Here is her family's webpage... |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:50 AM Response to Reply #47 |
71. Marriage vows now include knocking up/shacking up another woman? |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:57 AM Response to Reply #71 |
82. Wonderful information |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:02 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Why? |
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Thu Dec-30-04 05:53 AM Response to Reply #71 |
126. I have been following this thread and reading both sides... |
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Thu Dec-30-04 09:26 AM Response to Reply #126 |
152. did it mention the age of the cats? |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:42 PM Response to Reply #152 |
180. I'm not sure... |
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Thu Dec-30-04 06:19 PM Response to Reply #152 |
215. And your friend doesn't want to divorce her husband? |
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Fri Dec-31-04 07:15 PM Response to Reply #215 |
269. she's jewish, he's catholic....there could be a reason in that, but..... |
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Thu Dec-30-04 08:20 PM Response to Reply #152 |
227. Well, even in that case, some cats can live 20 years or more. |
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Fri Dec-31-04 07:19 PM Response to Reply #227 |
270. she had both of them since they were kittens..... |
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Thu Dec-30-04 09:46 AM Response to Reply #126 |
155. minor point but... |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:35 PM Response to Reply #155 |
178. No... |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:22 PM Response to Reply #155 |
185. I read it the same way |
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Thu Dec-30-04 08:18 PM Response to Reply #71 |
226. What a sick twisted person he is, IMO. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:30 AM Response to Reply #39 |
49. Michael Schiavo is the one who's treated the marriage contract |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:33 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Exactly. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:43 AM Response to Reply #54 |
65. Terry's Parents Never Had a Dime |
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Sat Jan-01-05 01:53 AM Response to Reply #65 |
300. I have to agree with you about this as I look at the timeline-- |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
173. Keep her alive to serve what purpose? |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:36 AM Response to Reply #49 |
59. Ah, What does this have to do with Terry? |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:40 AM Response to Reply #49 |
63. Again. Speculation. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:48 AM Response to Reply #63 |
70. Yea, he is fighting with all he got. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:53 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. Speculation! |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:54 AM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Every cent he got was returned in her care |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:56 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Do you have any links for that? |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:56 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Don't let cold hard facts get in the way |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:36 AM Response to Reply #80 |
108. Til I screw another woman, uh... I mean, death... do us part.... |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:50 AM Response to Reply #108 |
112. Oh, come on. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:04 AM Response to Reply #112 |
116. He started denying her treatment in 1993, 1 yr after he got $$ for her |
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:11 AM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Michael Schiavo had that right |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:37 PM Response to Reply #118 |
179. The 'biased" website has his OWN court testimony..... |
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Thu Dec-30-04 08:08 PM Response to Reply #116 |
225. Again, you are using the site put together by the right wing and |
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Fri Dec-31-04 07:35 AM Response to Reply #225 |
247. With regard to therapy, |
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Thu Dec-30-04 06:09 AM Response to Reply #108 |
128. This is a really difficult decision... |
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Fri Dec-31-04 09:44 PM Response to Reply #108 |
282. hey maybe he's a humanist, and not a papist, okay? perhaps neither of them |
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Fri Dec-31-04 10:23 PM Response to Reply #282 |
286. The phone therapist and the Dancing Mouse... |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:23 AM Response to Reply #77 |
101. Not.....here is a link w/ actual amounts |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:29 AM Response to Reply #101 |
105. So |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:51 AM Response to Reply #63 |
72. That is what the marital contract is about |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:52 AM Response to Original message |
74. I wonder if |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:02 AM Response to Reply #74 |
83. Problem is he didn't remember that she didn't want to live this way |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:03 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Spec U Lation. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:07 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. He never told it to the jury, did he? |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:10 AM Response to Reply #88 |
91. That means nothing. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:34 PM Response to Reply #88 |
177. This is what he told the jury..... |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:05 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. He was such a devoted husband during the trial. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:08 AM Response to Reply #86 |
89. So |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:13 AM Response to Reply #89 |
93. I would be totally content to have my parents |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:14 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Didn't answer my question. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:20 AM Response to Reply #94 |
98. And you have neglected to answer the question |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:22 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. I don't! |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:25 AM Response to Reply #98 |
103. So, again. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:31 AM Response to Reply #103 |
106. No, not my parents, because I have told them |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:34 AM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Then, in that case, there would be evidence |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:38 AM Response to Reply #106 |
109. And you still avoid the question. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:42 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. THERE IS NO PROOF THAT THE PARENTS |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:46 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. There is no proof that Michael is, either! |
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:11 AM Response to Reply #111 |
117. Sorry, I misunderstood the original question |
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:13 AM Response to Reply #117 |
119. That's all well and good. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:21 AM Response to Reply #93 |
99. So you join into a marital contract |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:07 AM Response to Reply #74 |
87. I think that is why the sanctity of marriage will win out |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:08 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. And having a mistress and two children by her doesn't? |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:11 AM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Nope! |
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Erika
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:14 AM Response to Reply #90 |
95. Huh? |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:17 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. It's exasperating. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:25 AM Response to Reply #96 |
104. They are waiting for "Who's my Daddy" |
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:19 AM Response to Reply #104 |
121. Her mother and father and siblings have agreed to care for her for the |
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:23 AM Response to Reply #121 |
122. The harm is |
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Thu Dec-30-04 08:50 AM Response to Reply #122 |
140. I find it questionable that these newly weds had that discussion. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:59 PM Response to Reply #140 |
181. I don't... |
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:20 PM Response to Reply #140 |
195. why is that? i know how three of my closest friends feel, let alone my |
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Fri Dec-31-04 07:41 AM Response to Reply #121 |
248. It's possible that |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:57 AM Response to Reply #87 |
114. "cuts deep into the sanctity of the marriage vows"???????? |
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:18 AM Response to Reply #114 |
120. No, it was not. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:33 PM Response to Reply #74 |
198. I hate to butt in... |
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Fri Dec-31-04 07:43 AM Response to Reply #198 |
249. What you saw was an edited videotape. |
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Fri Dec-31-04 02:00 PM Response to Reply #198 |
253. I've seen them. They are hideous. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:34 AM Response to Original message |
123. A couple of seconds made a difference for her. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 05:56 AM Response to Reply #123 |
127. Hear, hear. nt |
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Thu Dec-30-04 06:21 AM Response to Reply #123 |
129. Legal Matters |
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Sat Jan-01-05 12:30 PM Response to Reply #129 |
302. Yes, they do. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 01:21 PM Response to Reply #123 |
168. It is my opinion that he now is doing it out of spite. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 07:57 PM Response to Reply #123 |
222. Thank you! |
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Thu Dec-30-04 06:44 AM Response to Original message |
130. What those parents are doing is disgusting! |
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Thu Dec-30-04 10:53 AM Response to Reply #130 |
161. 14 years without oxygen to the brain = brain death |
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Thu Dec-30-04 09:41 PM Response to Reply #130 |
229. I am sorta outraged at your idiocy |
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Fri Dec-31-04 07:03 AM Response to Reply #229 |
240. What are you talking about? |
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Sat Jan-01-05 01:29 PM Response to Reply #240 |
304. You Dumb ass |
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Thu Dec-30-04 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
131. golee |
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Thu Dec-30-04 07:59 AM Response to Original message |
132. I live in the same county... |
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Thu Dec-30-04 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
134. No one has addressed what I feel is the oddest part of all this: |
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Thu Dec-30-04 08:51 AM Response to Reply #134 |
141. Think about it---is it EVER right to STARVE someone to DEATH? |
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Thu Dec-30-04 09:23 AM Response to Reply #141 |
150. Are you saying you believe all "living wills" should be ignored? |
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Thu Dec-30-04 09:23 AM Response to Reply #141 |
151. Well, yes, it is. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 10:19 AM Response to Reply #151 |
156. My mother chose to starve herself |
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Thu Dec-30-04 07:49 PM Response to Reply #156 |
220. It's a shame you mother gave up. |
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Fri Dec-31-04 02:20 PM Response to Reply #151 |
256. Did the same thing with my dad.. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:55 PM Response to Reply #141 |
190. don't have to think, i know from experience it is more humane to ... |
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:55 PM Response to Reply #141 |
206. I think you may be associating the term starve with the last time |
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Thu Dec-30-04 11:48 PM Response to Reply #206 |
238. Well, excuse me, she was starved two times prior to that, and |
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Thu Dec-30-04 08:57 AM Response to Reply #134 |
142. INDIVIDUAL |
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Thu Dec-30-04 09:37 AM Response to Reply #142 |
154. that, of course, would be the ideal situation |
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Fri Dec-31-04 02:09 PM Response to Reply #134 |
255. They're desperate. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
136. I used to work extensively in geriatric |
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Thu Dec-30-04 09:03 AM Response to Reply #136 |
143. I am so sorry for your mom and brother |
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OldLeftieLawyer
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:42 PM Response to Reply #136 |
202. I salute your mother |
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Thu Dec-30-04 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
144. From what I saw on a TV news show, the State of Florida now pays for her |
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Thu Dec-30-04 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
157. Ha, Ha. This is GREAT. Fuck you, you cruel closeminded fundies! |
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Thu Dec-30-04 10:56 AM Response to Reply #157 |
162. check out your own humaness eom |
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Thu Dec-30-04 11:03 AM Response to Reply #162 |
164. Oh, I see. We should keep her alive to MAKE US FEEL BETTER. |
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Thu Dec-30-04 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
165. I find it interesting |
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Thu Dec-30-04 02:09 PM Response to Reply #165 |
174. What a great point... |
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Thu Dec-30-04 04:17 PM Response to Reply #174 |
194. You got it, especially since now they are saying their daughter would have |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
183. Mark my words, we'll hear of Michael Schiavo again, |
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Thu Dec-30-04 03:50 PM Response to Reply #183 |
187. Deleted message |
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Thu Dec-30-04 09:54 PM Response to Reply #187 |
230. It wasn't an issue for my mother either, and I can without |
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Thu Dec-30-04 11:31 PM Response to Reply #183 |
236. He did this same thing to his own parents! |
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Fri Dec-31-04 04:34 PM Response to Reply #236 |
261. As someone who's Mom has been A DNR and has signed her own living will |
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Fri Dec-31-04 08:04 PM Response to Reply #261 |
271. Having a living will and acting on it is entirely different from |
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Fri Dec-31-04 09:21 PM Response to Reply #271 |
279. Mom's living will says "no extreme measures including feeding via a ... |
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janx
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Fri Dec-31-04 10:05 PM Response to Reply #279 |
283. bettyellen, I'm so sorry for what happened |
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Fri Dec-31-04 10:23 PM Response to Reply #283 |
287. Thanks, yeah i was too young and stupid when my dad was sick... |
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janx
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Fri Dec-31-04 10:54 PM Response to Reply #287 |
289. Your situation sounds very similar to mine, though my father |
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bettyellen
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Fri Dec-31-04 11:29 PM Response to Reply #289 |
291. whew, he dodged a bullet, give him a hug from me! and one for you too! |
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janx
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Sat Jan-01-05 01:11 AM Response to Reply #291 |
297. Oh, my father died--in a quasi-hospice, under circumstances |
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Sat Jan-01-05 03:55 AM Response to Reply #297 |
301. i know what you mean about the victory in death |
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Sat Jan-01-05 01:21 AM Response to Reply #291 |
298. Yeah--it's just media and right-wing gossip about Michael Schiavo. |
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Sun Jan-02-05 04:31 PM Response to Reply #271 |
307. but we do know that living in that condition would be no ones wish |
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Thu Dec-30-04 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
208. Deleted message |
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Thu Dec-30-04 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
221. Finally--someone said NO. |
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puddycat
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Thu Dec-30-04 10:40 PM Response to Reply #221 |
235. hear, hear! Its about time someone with sense & power said NO |
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frustrated_lefty
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Fri Dec-31-04 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
243. What it wrong with these bastards? (n/t) |
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biftonnorton
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Fri Dec-31-04 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
250. Oh, If We Only Had A Theocracy |
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janx
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Fri Dec-31-04 01:22 PM Response to Reply #250 |
251. They're trying to. It's getting closer to a theocracy |
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janx
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Fri Dec-31-04 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
259. Interesting, local article about the case: |
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MADem
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Fri Dec-31-04 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
263. Karl Rove knows what he is doing, I think! |
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Fri Dec-31-04 06:40 PM Response to Reply #263 |
265. Karl Rove? |
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MADem
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Sun Jan-02-05 04:09 PM Response to Reply #265 |
306. He runs the country; he directs the right wing |
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proudbluestater
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Fri Dec-31-04 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
277. Jeb should butt the fuck OUT of this case. It's not his deal. |
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Fri Dec-31-04 09:25 PM Response to Reply #277 |
280. ...and *against her wishes*. Jeb Bush and the FL state legislature |
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Fri Dec-31-04 09:31 PM Response to Reply #277 |
281. DANCING MOUSE |
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Fri Dec-31-04 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
294. Look at the brain scan. Image attached. |
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Sat Jan-01-05 12:55 AM Response to Reply #294 |
296. Actually... |
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Sat Jan-01-05 01:25 AM Response to Reply #296 |
299. .......... |
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