Rossi given fresh hope as 'mystery voters' grow

[icymist]

Rossi given fresh hope as 'mystery voters' grow
GOP calls on counties to explain a discrepancy of nearly 8,500

By CHRIS McGANN
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER CAPITOL CORRESPONDENT

Thousands of "mystery voters" in the counties of King, Pierce, Snohomish, Clark and Kitsap appear to be Republican Dino Rossi's best prospect for challenging the legitimacy of the closest and most contentious gubernatorial election in the state's history.

The state Republican Party yesterday called on county election officials to explain what the GOP says is a nearly 8,500-vote discrepancy between county vote tallies and the number of people credited with actually voting in the election.

"People ask me what would fraud look like? It would look like this," said state Republican Party Chairman Chris Vance.

County auditors and election officials say Republicans have based their conclusions on there being many more votes than voters on preliminary lists, and they say much of the deviation would be accounted for as voter lists are updated.

But they do not dispute that the numbers don't add up.

more at this link:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/206446_governor04.html

[merwin]

1. If that is a basis to call for a re-vote

Then every state can have a re-vote! Yay!

[icymist]

6. Yeah! Don't you think that by using the same argument that the Rossi

teams is using .... maybe there should be another election in Ohio for president?! Many more votes have turned up there than were recorded eligible to vote! Hey, Repugs! If the shoe fits on one foot than it will surely fit on the other!

[fooj]

10. Here! Here!

:toast:




WHAT ARE THEY HIDING???

[sendero]

24. The difference is....

... they will stand up and fight when something looks suspicious, unlike Dems "leaders" who seem to roll over and play dead.

[TroglodyteScholar]

27. You might want to rephrase this...... ;)

Hey, Repugs! If the shoe fits on one foot than it will surely fit on the other!

I don't know about you, but my left shoe doesn't fit on my right foot....but I think I agree with your point....

[purduejake]

2. Okay, let's investigate this and see how many were in a position...

to alter the presidential vote as well. Seems as if there is some bi-partisan support. Oh, and congrats to the Republicans who are standing against this blatant fraud. I have a shread of respect for them.

[tanyev]

3. Careful, Rossi,

does Karl Rove really want you investigating those mystery voters?

[rsmith6621]

5. GEEEZ

How come those extra numbers didnt seem to matter when Rossi was ahead twice for a month??????

[radfringe]

11. my thoughts exactly

if Rossi keeps pushing this issue it may just bite the GOPer elephant in the butt

if there are mystery voters out there -- who did they vote for pResident? and did they also "vote" in other states?

meanwhile - go ahead Rossi -- open that can of worms.. :evilgrin:

[Canuckistanian]

4. I think Republicans are making a mistake......

Maybe, just maybe they'll start eveybody wondering about the electoral process - THEN where will they be?

[Cocoa]

7. more wacky conspiracy theories

oh, wait, that's only when it's dems talking about election fraud

[Kolesar]

8. Fraud-ed in Ohio

sorry, Niel Young

[pa28]

9. It's all they have left.

I expect Rossi, Vance and their mafia (AKA journalists and A.M. radio)to harp on this and make it an issue.

Once again. These "mystery votes" fall into different categories: victims of domestic violence who can legally vote without address info, people who filled in the wrong addy line or people who filled out a provisional ballot in the wrong precinct, etc. etc.

This number, adjusted for population, is in line with or better than Rossi counties across the state.

I wonder. Will the media will bother itself to explain the facts or will it promote Rossi's hysterical crying and foot stamping?

[icymist]

13. In the Seattle Times these concerns are addressed:

King County elections officials are trying to figure out why their list of Nov. 2 voters fell short of the number of ballots cast. Republican and Democratic observers will be allowed to watch that "reconciliation" process that is scheduled to conclude Friday.

Many counties initially listed fewer voters than votes counted for a variety of reasons, officials said. In some cases, workers overlooked some names in poll books or failed to note in computers that absentee or provisional ballots had been counted.

Further, voter lists don't include domestic-violence victims in hiding or non registered armed-forces members who voted by mail.

But election officials in three of the other counties cited by Vance said he had his facts wrong.

Link: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002139731_recount04m.html

~~~ Any way you would look at this argument, you could find some way of turning it towards some 'groups' favor. Election reform is needed badly here.

[The_Casual_Observer]

12. Rossi, please take the gas pipe

and get the fuck out of my life.

[maxsolomon]

14. i'm loving the repub whining today

complaining that gregoire "counted until she won", how the devious democrats STOLE THE ELECTION, and how unfair it all is. waaa, waaa, waaa, i'm a little baby who controls all 3 branches of the federal government & the national media, and I'M A VICTIM!

ITS THE FREAKING STATE LAW, IDIOTS; automatic recount within a margin, optional hand recount within a margin. the dems played by the rules & won. don't like it? GET OVER IT.

SUCK IT chris vance!

[nursebear]

23. I don't think anybody is questioning that the Dems played by the rules...

I think the question is (at least as I'm hearing it from Rossi) is that the rules weren't uniformly enforced throughout the whole state.

That's the question that Rossi is going to be arguing from now until, what, Jan. 22nd?

But I agree with most of you... the Repubs need to just back down and try again in 4 years. I think a "re-vote" opens up a whole can of worms that nobody wants to see. The days of "do overs" went out when in grade school recess. We're all adults here and need to start acting like adults.

[RavenSaysNeverMore]

15. We won the latest vote count and that is all that matters

Just because they won two out of three recounts does not cut them slack. Now that we have won this latest recount it's time to stop counting and put our Democrat in the office she now owns!

Do the repups want to keep on counting until they win four of seven? Not a chance. We have it now so let's keep it.

[snippy]

19. We won the most accurate count. That is what matters.

If the republicans had a valid complaint they should try to find someone who had gone to law school and was admited to practice law in the state of Washington so that they could follow the simple but correct procedure for challenging the results of an election. Assuming of course that the republicans could find a way to come up with the filing fee. Their failure to follow the simple but correct procedure for challenging the election results in court tells me that that either the republicans are too stupid and too poor to do so or that THEY ARE FUCKING LIARS.

[spotbird]

28. The Republicans can't stand the fact that the state law

permitted one hand recount. If Rossi had won that last count it would have been the end of it. If Rossi had lost either of the two earlier counts there would have been a hand recount.

Playing by the rules is so hard for Republicans, they like it so much better when they can make the rules up as they go along to favor themselves.

[tanyev]

33. Accurate counting of the votes

is a bigger issue than whether a Democrat or a Republican is the winner.

Welcome to DU.

[spotbird]

16. If Rossi gets his way it will be proof positive that

there is democracy in America for Republicans only.

Even in this race Republicans aren't demanding all elections be above reproach, only the close ones they lose.

[driver8]

17. Exactly!!

Democracy in America for Republicans only...the Dems don't stand a chance. When will the people of this country wake up and smell the coffee?? These thugs are stealing democracy away from us...and the American public is doing nothing.

It really is frightening; the shit they get away with.

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[spotbird]

26. You do realize that election was 45 years ago.

We were supposed to get over the Florida theft in a weekend and you guys carry on for half a century. If it makes you feel better we're one for two now, it's time to make all the elections fair.

What is it about a free and fair election that makes Republican blood run cold?

[Raster]

29. Because they know that if asked fortright, that just about everyone

in this country would be for afordable healthcare, for everyone.

And maybe they're afraid that American people will get tired of supporting industries that do nothing but kill people.

And maybe they're afraid that the majority of the citizens of this country really do believe that as long as they aren't bothering or hurting anyone, that letting people live their lives is a good thing.

And maybe they'd demand that the drug companies to explain their out-and-out theft from all of us.

And that's just for starters.

[cosmicdot]

32. you're too kind ... I'd set it at one for five ...

during the period of timeline on the table ... of course, I'm counting the murder of Robert Kennedy which changed the outcome in 1968 ... the Watergate dirty tricks which pretty much ended the 1972 election during the New Hampshire Democratic primary (George Wallace was eliminated from winning any electoral votes in '72, too, wasn't he? he might have given Nixon a run for his money in the South and places like Michigan ... he knew what was up when he went down) ... as well as, the 1980 Poppy/GOP deal with Iran to hold the hostages which changed the outcome in the last week home stretch... I shouldn't let Poppy's 1988 Willy Horton tactics off so easily ...

this coup, imo, has been on-going methodically for some time now

their still smarting over the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts of the 1960s

and, the Bushes are please to participate as they have never gotten over losing their business for trading with Hitler ... they are in it for retribution and retaliation, and, of course the money and power ... now that they have the Carlyle Group, you'd think they'd be happy and leave us alone

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[Igel]

31. Sarcasm?

Or are you referring to a different dem Daley?

"Vote early, vote often, and vote in pencil so we can correct your mistakes."

[bemildred]

18. "a poorly drafted script for a late night conspiracy-theory movie." nt

[Califooyah Operative]

22. hehe. nt

[leesa]

21. Funny, how "mystery voters" grow in the GOP

and real voters are shut out.

[bunny planet]

25. Oh you don't want to go there Dino.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

34. Mr. Rossi must understand that the people have spoken and....

Christine Gregoire will be the 22nd Governor of Washington State starting at noon on January 12, 2005. In these "challenging" times we need unity and we expect that Mr. Rossi will kindly support Governor Greogoire and do EVERYTHING possible to assist her to have a HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL tenure as Governor. I also expect that the Republican Minority will respect the will of the people and let Ms. Gregoire do her work as the Executive of the State of Washington without ANY question of her authority. Ms. Gregoire has a mandate!

[JDPriestly]

35. We need fair, properly administered elections.

Everyone loses when elections are not fair or properly administered. So, in Washington State, a Democrat, and, nationally, a Republican, were elected under clouds of doubt about whether the elections were fair. In each case, half of the voters view the election as illegitimate, even fraudulent. How can anyone expect to govern when half of the constituents think they weren't really elected? It isn't a matter of who is right or wrong this time. We need to reform our election procedures so that we can trust the outcomes. Over time, the lack of certainty about election results will destabilize our government.