9/11, Passion, Tops at People's Choice (great Moore quote!)

[Liberty Belle]

'9/11,''Passion' Tops at People's Choice




Jan 9, 11:38 PM (ET)


(AP) Michael Moore accepts the award for favorite movie, for his work on "Fahrenheit 9/11", at the 31st...
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PASADENA, Calif. (AP) - Two controversial films that defied the odds to earn millions at the box office joined a familiar green ogre to take top honors at the 31st Annual People's Choice Awards on Sunday.

The Michael Moore film "Fahrenheit 9/11," which took a critical look at President Bush's actions after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, won the favorite movie award, while Mel Gibson's explicit "The Passion of the Christ" won in the favorite drama category.

Moore dedicated his win to the U.S. troops fighting overseas and said he was "amazed" that people voted his film their favorite.

"I love making movies and I'll take this as an invitation to make more 'Fahrenheit 9/11s,'" Moore said.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050110/D87H0DJ80.html

[genius]

1. Yea Michael! Boo Mel!

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[saracat]

6. No cheers for bigots like Gibson!

[LetsGoMurphys]

7. what makes him a bigot?

just because he is christian? some of you people are too much sometimes.

[saracat]

9. Nooo! Because of what he said about Micheal J. Fox

in regard to stem cell research!

[Kipepeo]

14. He also believes protestants are going to burn in hell

but he doesn't mind taking their money at the box office! :)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4224452/

I don't know if I'd call him a bigot, but I DO call him a nutjob on a regular basis.

[The White Tree]

30. Actually, I think he beleives everyone is going to hell

except for those who worship as he does. Mr. Gibson from my understanding is a member of a radical sect of Catholocism (I see no need to call it anything else) that rejects Vatican II and beleives that church worship is invalid unless the service is done, how shall we say - "old school". In other words in Latin. So even though I am a Catholic who goes to church every (well almost every) week. I am not worshipping properly and therefore am going to H-E-double-hockey-sticks.

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And you are right, it certainly didn't stop him from taking everyones money but I think it had something to do with his feeling that he was on a mission from God.

[springhill]

20. What did he say about Michael?

I hadn't heard.

[saracat]

21. More or less that he should accept his condition and deal with it

like a man, as opposed to looking for a cure in stem cell research. I am barely paraphrasing.I was impressed with Micheal J. Fox's handling of the attack.He was so gracious.He said he respected Mel and was sorry he thought that way. He still considered him a friend! I told my hubby that I never would have been able to be THAT gracious under the circumstances.
This falls under the "walk a mile in my shoes catagory". I don't think that Mel had any right to "pass judgement" on Micheal. It wasn't very "Christian" of him!

[Charlie Brown]

22. Do you have a cite for this?

[saracat]

23. No. It was on Extra.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

31. Well there you have it....a valid news source if I ever saw one....

...NOT.

[saracat]

49. I heard Fox and Gibson with my own ears!

And BTW look at the post regarding Mel annoying the freepers by liking F9-11 . It is hilarious! Seriously Mel is a Catholic who broke with the Church for not being conservative enough and has his "own Church" a latin speaking old stlye version of the Church.He is anti war, a position taken by the Pope as well, but he is against anything else remotely liberal. He is radically conservvative and his stand on women's rights, abortion and stem cell research are sickening. I don't feel he expresses "christian" values at all! But hey, that is JMHO.

[Merlot]

10. Before you jump to conclusions do a little research on Mel

he has some very un christian attitudes.

[Swamp Rat]

11. Isn't it obvious? He hates jews.

Why else would he bring back medaeval propaganda?

[bob-calhoun]

13. Hey I'm sorry, I saw POTC and...

it was the most anti Semitic film since Goebbels had final approval over movies before they were sent to theaters. Gibson takes one group of people, the Jews and completely dehumanizes them-- portrays them in an animalistic fashion. The counter to this was that Gibson did portray what were often referred to as "good Jews." Well these "good Jews" were the apostles and Mary. They were Jews that accepted the divinity of Christ so in Gibson's mind, they weren't Jews any more at all. They were Christians.

[radio4progressives]

16. it was also Pornography for Sado Masachists. 70 minutes devoted

to lashings.

what a psycho job he is.

the guy is a wacko white supremacist. i had no idea until the making of this film. I loved him in Brave Heart - but after Passion, which i only saw a bit of the trailers and found it to be extremely over the top, i'll never see a film he's in or has any connection to again.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

32. Right. You never saw the movie but you know your statement is...

...correct. Interesting.

Gosh...the real history of the brutality of the Roman Empire and the kind of punishments they handed out is just too hard for some people to handle, isn't it?

And I could have sworn that the Jews wanted Christ dead in the worst way. Pilate "washed his hands" of the affair, but the Jews demanded that he be crucified.

[bob-calhoun]

44. Barabbas

Gibson takes every opportunity to portray the Hebrews as sub human creating a 21st Century passion play.

Case in point, take the figure of Barabbas. In Gibson's film, Barabbas is portrayed as a slobbering, fat, animal of a man with missing teeth. He is announced as "Barabbas the murderer." He is portrayed as a subhuman with no redeeming features whatsoever.

In most Biblical accounts, Barabbas was a rebel leader who led an uprising in Jerusalem against the Roman occupation. He was more akin to the Iraqi Shiite's al-Sadr than, let's say Richard Allen Davis. When the Jews chose Barabbas over Christ, they were choosing the man of action over the Prince of Peace. Was it the wrong choice? Yes. But it is the kind of choice that human beings would make when living under a grinding occupation. People have made similar decisions to choose the sword over pacifism ever since. It is understandable why they would make such a choice as human beings. You or I might make a similar choice under like circumstances.

What Gibson does, is he portrays the Hebrews as choosing anyone over Christ. In POTC, they choose the most despicable figure over the savior and, in that scene, all of the Jews are portrayed as hissing, spitting and have crooked teeth as well. They also pull each other's hair a lot for no reason and hit each other like the Three Stooges. What Gibson has done is dehumanize an entire population of a particular faith and point of view and then he further demonizes them by having them pick a greasy rapist/criminal for clemency for no understandable reason other than maybe to be spiteful.

Personally, as a Catholic, I was deeply saddened that Gibson chose to couch his faith in such violence. While I still support his right to release his film the way he wanted it, I found him to be a deeply disturbed and hateful individual through the viewing of it.

[AliciaKeyedUp]

48. What about Christ

He was a Jew after all.

[DrWeird]

51. And a white guy apparently.

According to Mel.

[mrbassman03]

54. Hell yeah, from Mt. Vernon...

Though Skagit valley is one of the shitholes of Western WA.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

55. Get back to me after you read post #44. (nt)

[SKKY]

19. Couldn't agree with you more LetsGoMurphys...

...and by the way, welcome to DU. Dropkick Murphys fan I take it?

[SnowBack]

37. Some of Mel's "enlightened" comments

The man is a homophobe of the first order...


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http://www.qrd.org/qrd/media/people/1995/mel.gibson.antigay.history-wockner-06.02.95

http://www.spectacle.org/497/warren.html

http://news.neilrogers.com/news/articles/2004022201.html

[FizzFuzz]

43. That second article is terrific. Thanks for that link.

Outstanding! What a great job that writer did of exposing the whining homophobia and hypocrisy of Mel Gibson.

I used to like him, but that was before I knew anything beyond the nice guy, hero personna.

yeccchhh.

[readmylips]

39. We are all Christians...baby!

We all come Christ's miracle, everything on Earth and the Universe. We are not all religious and Gibson claims to be religious.

Religions are different paths that are there for our free choosing in order to feel closer to the same God. God didn't tell us which religion to choose, He merely left us a blueprint.

The relationship we all have with God is private and only God can see what's in our hearts. Hitler claimed to be a Christian but did not follow God's blueprints.

[Az]

41. Gibson is extremely homophobic

He personally attaches his hatred of homosexuals to his religious faith. He has .... issues.

[fjc]

42. Did you see his film?

I did, opening night. It is drenched in anti-Semitism. That makes him a bigot.

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[saracat]

12. This is a silly statement. What has the film industry have to do with

religion? The entertainment industry shouldn't have to cater to any religion! Religion involved in entertaiment leads to censorship . Censorship is the worst thing that could happen to the creative arts!

[Charlie Brown]

15. Hollywood caters to people all the time

that's why we have different genres of movies like Romance, Horror, Action, etc. Religious art and filmmaking are as legitimate genres as any other. Look no further than Franco Zefferili, Federico Fellini, or Robert Duvall if you want examples of filmmakers who have infused their art with religion. There was a whole genre of Biblical Epics throughout the 1960s. How did this lead to "censorship?"

More Christians interested in film could mean a chance to encourage support of the arts (something most conservatives despise) or opportunities to expose these viewers to other points of view (like Faranheit 9/11, for example). Simply shunning potential viewers as cretins is not a good business policy. It's not very enlightened, either.

If you want to discourage any mention of religion in a forum of intellectualism, it would seem you are the one who favors censorship.

[saracat]

17. You don't get what I mean at all. I meant like the influence of the

Catholic League of Decency that was prevalent when I was growing up that "discouraged" attendance at many fine films. I am thinking of people like that ass Michael Medved who imposes his "Christian" beliefs on movie reviews. His book "Hollywood Vrs the Mass Media" is disgusting. But I defend his right to say it.

Religion itself can cause censorship by the imposition of its values. I don't care if there are movies made about religion. The passion is only one of how many movies made of the life of Christ? Filmmakers have the right to make whatever they want to make. I am just concerned when they want to force their influence on others.

[Charlie Brown]

24. People have a right to boycott

There are posts at this board all the time discouraging people from shopping at certain stores with Republican ties.

I've heard people here saying they will no longer support Gibson or attend one of his films (rather hypocritical if you oppose "blacklisting").

Forum for the Family, the Southern Baptists, Christian Coalition groups use very questionable tactics to oppose those they dislike, but so do the ADF, the NAACP, MOVEON.ORG, or any other "liberal" advocacy group. Indeed, Gibson ended up taking out one scene from "The Passion" at the behest of the ADF.

I don't see how you can criticize one side for pressuring filmmakers when our side is no better.

But, anyway, how does the success of the Passion or the award Mel won increase the role of conservative pressure on Hollywood?

[saracat]

25. Success at anything has an influence. I would hope that its success has no

influence as I would hate to see us go back to the censorship of the fifties era which is what the conservative influence will do. If there is more of a conservative audience and the industry plays to it, art will be dead. Conservatism is an anathema to creativity!

[piece sine]

33. Great Post!

We hardly ever hear from a real, rock-solid LIBERAL around here....If more folks at DU thought like you (and I) we're actually get somewhere in terms of winning-over voters to more our progressive (and inclusive) ideals.

[FizzFuzz]

40. I'd like to see more liberals, of whatever religion, use mass media

(films, television, media), to show up these people who twist teachings of kindness and mercy for what they are. Make the message as blatantly obvious as the conservative/religious extremeists do. No censorship, just enlightened awareness, presented in ways that mass media thrives on. (Sorry to say it, but alot of people have become dependent on pre-digested pap for their entertainment. For their current events news, too.)

I think highlighting the vast difference between conservative sickness and enlightened compassion, helps people to identify what's going on.

[TrueAmerican]

2. Favorite Movie

trump favorite Drama.

[soup]

34. Yes, it does.

The program had a really confusing sequence, though. Watching it gave the impression that Mel Gibson won the top honor.

Usually awards programs run up to the biggest prize, not give the biggest then backstep. Michael Moore's award for favorite movie, the top honor, was given before Mel Gibson's for favorite drama.

Very strange.

[truthpusher]

4. Speech on Moores site:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/

[Liberty Belle]

18. Thanks. I can't wait to see...

a film showing all the Republicans in Congress speaking up for voter suppression and fraud, can you?

Does anyone know for sure if Michael Moore was filming on Thursday?

[Melynn]

47. Yes, I agree

We need for Michael Moore to make a film about the stolen election in Ohio and the Repunkicans attempt to steal the election in Washington state.

The sooner the better before the Repunkicans steal more elections.

[Liberty Belle]

53. Yes. We could have petitions for election reform outside each theater.

[cal04]

5. Good for you Michael Moore

I wish I could have seen it.

[Guaranteed]

26. An invitation? Hell, that's a MANDATE!

Right? :)

[LynnTheDem]

27. What IS that gawd-awful stench??????

Ewwwwww....it's the reek of sizzling freepers.

[Blue Gardener]

28. At least my vote counted this time

I voted for F-9/11. Go Michael!

[soup]

35. Martin Sheen mentioned that in his presentation.

I don't have the exact quote, but he said something along the lines of 'democracy being alive and well', paused for just a second, then added 'at least in the People's Choice awards'.

It was a really good moment.

[The White Tree]

29. Sounds like a mandate from the people to me

After all it was the Peoples Choice Awards

"I love making movies and I'll take this as an invitation to make more 'Fahrenheit 9/11s,'" Moore said.

So to all you conservative crtics of Mr. Moore.

Nip it!

[nariel]

36. Faux doesn't believe it!

Just saw a woman on Faux news say she heard the vote for F911 might have been rigged!

The veil of illusion is thick!

[Supersedeas]

38. ahhh, for want of 'faith based' entertainment

[Demrock6]

46. Holy crap! Tinfoil hats!

Republicans would rather put more time and money investigating The Peoples Choice then voter irregularities in the election.

[Liberty Belle]

50. well... I did forward the link to his voting site to a few zillion

Dems...heh heh heh

[twenty2strings]

45. Go Mike!!!!!!!

Keep your bullshit detectors on. This is your land. Civil dis? Where? When? How?:hippie: :toast: :bounce: :thumbsup: :grouphug: :yourock:

[osaMABUSh]

52. Must of meant a lot to MM - he wasn't even wearing a ball cap

MM was looking pretty suave last night. No ball cap, new 'do, groomed facial hair, new glasses, nice suit.

I assume he will go back to the old look that we all know and love.