Democrats Call Rice Liar, Bush Apologist

[Freddie Stubbs]

11 minutes ago Politics - U. S. Congress


By ANNE GEARAN, AP Diplomatic Writer

WASHINGTON - One Senate Democrat called Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites) a liar Tuesday and others said she was an apologist for Bush administration failures in Iraq (news - web sites), but she remained on track for confirmation as secretary of state.

Rice, who has been President Bush (news - web sites)'s White House national security adviser for four years, was one of the loudest voices urging war, Democrats said. She repeatedly deceived members of Congress and Americans at large about justifications for the war, said Sen. Mark Dayton (news, bio, voting record), D-Minn.

"I don't like impugning anyone's integrity, but I really don't like being lied to," Dayton said. "Repeatedly, flagrantly, intentionally."

Rice is expected to win confirmation on Wednesday. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., predicted that Rice would have "an overwhelming majority" of votes.

more: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050125/ap_on_go_co/senate_rice

[RobertSeattle]

1. Wow - quite the headline - word for word!

I thought that was your editorializing until I clicked the link!

[jackster]

2. yoo hoo - we're finding our backbones!

[barb162]

12. feels good, doesn't it?

[AuntiBush]

92. Don't it though!

:toast:

[Lorien]

31. A great start

but I have to wonder why they are voting to confirm a known liar and complete incompetant as our Secretary of State. :shrug:

[Voltaire99]

34. Er, "we"? Most Democrats are wimping out

All praise to these two atypical Democrats, Dayton and Boxer. But let's not go overboard, shall we? A few forthright fighters do not a party make. The rank and file, corralled by the pathetic leadership, is still as spineless as ever. Just wait and see the vote.

Rather late (but better than never!) the usually polite millionaire Dayton may be discovering something of his late colleague Wellstone's old fire. Until now Dayton has reserved most of his passion for defending Pentagon weapons contracts.

On his blog, Vanity Fair columnist James Wolcott has captured very well what's happening at Rice's ceremonial blessing...

-V99


http://jameswolcott.com/archives/2005/01/lonely_are_the.php

Lonely Are the Brave
Posted by James Wolcott

Why is Barbara Boxer out there all alone asking the tough questions about Condi Rice's snail trail of deceit and fearmongering? She has the audacity to act as if the Senate actually has some traditional advise-and-consent role to play and for her pains is caricatured as a shrieking harridan on Saturday Night Live and a witch on talk radio. Boxer was terrific today on CNN, refusing to back down and reiterating her questions and objections regarding Rice with emphatic clarity while Sen Lugar mumble-mumbled some pathetic excuse-making about how Rice didn't deliberately mislead the country re Iraq's WMDs, she just did the best she could under the circumstances. Look, Biden and the rest of you Democratic punk-asses--get behind Boxer or get lost. She shouldn't be up there on the parapet alone, not with this wrecking crew trying to gear us up for war on Iran.


http://jameswolcott.com/archives/2005/01/ramblin_man.php

Ramblin' Man
Posted by James Wolcott

I don't have time to organize my "thoughts" into a necklace of pellucid pearls (for the benefit of some of you slower students, that's what's known as Irony), so I'm just going to ramble.

First thing I heard this morning was Howard Fineman on Imus declaring that Brit Hume was "a terrific journalist." Ah, the brotherhood of hacks--I wonder if they have their secret handshake. Fineman went on to scoff at John Kerry's vote against Condi's confirmation as an empty gesture, but I have more respect for Kerry's gesture, futile though it may be, than I do Joe Biden's windmill arm action and posturing. He makes a big show of saying that he has little faith in Rice being anything other than Bush's translator and message-machine--that he hoped she would be a firm advocate for the State Department rather than simply a loyalist, but that his instincts told him this was unlikely--and then voted for her anyway!

Biden is like a slugger who never quite gets good wood on the ball, no innuendo intended. He gets into the batter's box, scuffs up the dirt with his cleats, gets settled, takes practice strokes, and--here comes the pitch--lets rip with a mighty swing...and pops up. Again and again, he goes through his Rocky Calavito rituals, and each time he hits an infield fly.

I don't pretend to comprehend the retractable spines of so many Democrats. Poll after poll shows that a majority of the American people now thinks the invasion of Iraq was unwarranted, a mistake, not worth the cost in lives and money. What's striking about the LA Times poll is that only 4% support sending in more troops to get the job done. Increasingly, the American people don't think this war is worth it and want Out.

And yet I'm still seeing elected Democrats saying that, even with what they know now (no WMDs, no real postwar planning), they still would have voted to authorize the war.

Knuckleheads.

Imagine you were persuaded to invest heavily in a business venture. They drew quite a picture for you of future prospects, made big promises. Over the course of three years, you learned that your business partners had conned you (and perhaps conned themselves), the contractors were corrupt, and the neighborhood that you were assured would welcome you with a marching band and hula dancers was firing sniper shots at your windows and trying to burn down the building. You lost your original investment, and pumped in more money to keep the venture going, only to lose that too, and to keep losing, with no end in sight, smoke rising in every direction.

Under those circumstances, knowing what you now know, would you say, "Yes, I still believe investing in Rathole Unlimited was the right thing to do"?

If you were Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill), you would.

MR. RUSSERT:Â You voted--you said you would have voted for the war if you had been in Congress.

REP. EMANUEL:Â Right.

MR. RUSSERT:Â Now, knowing that are no weapons of mass destruction, would you still have cast that vote?

REP. EMANUEL: Yes. Well, you could have done--well, as you know, I didn't vote for it. I still believe that getting rid of Saddam Hussein was the right thing to do, OK? But how you go about it and how you execute that war is the problems we face today.

That's become the talking point for a number of liberalish Democrats, to say it was right to go to war, what's wrong is the way the war has been conducted.

Never mind what I think, that a war waged on false pretenses and false premises is always wrong. If a majority of the American people can now admit the original decision was a mistake, why can't Democrats? When are they going to stop hitting popflies?
01.20.05 9:49AM

[Catch22Dem]

37. That was an incredibly thoughtful post!

Just wanted to tell you.

[TankLV]

47. To paraphrase our "wonderful" democratic leadership

including that "wonderful" leader Kerry:

It's not all the killing based on lies that I mind, we're just not killing them correctly or good enough. I'd do it differently and better!"

[RapidCreek]

97. Man, now THAT is one finally stated point, my friend

absolutely brilliant. I may have to save your words and engage in a bit of plagerism on down the road....hope you don't mind :)

RC

[Just Me]

58. Those who are courageous and honest are always lonely, Voltaire.

You know that.

Although I reject the "human nature is either good/bad" bullshit, I do acknowledge that an aspect of human nature is to gravitate towards the path of least resistence,...especially over time.

However, when I witness acts of human courage and honesty, I get both excited and inspired. I guess that's my way of fighting off another aspect of human nature: the tendency to gravitate towards cynicism.

[AuntiBush]

93. Remarkable stated!

So poignant!

:loveya:

[Andromeda]

88. Great post, great article...

I'm really tired of popflies. I'm ready for that home run.

[olddad56]

3. Barbara Boxer is on right now and she is awesome.

She is a true voice of reason and truth in a Senate that is widely void of either.

[leftofcool]

5. You bet she is!

And she has pointed out each and every inconsistency that has come from Condo-Lies-A.

Left of Cool

[proud patriot]

4. good headline

:thumbsup:

[foo_bar]

62. except it isn't true

Senators can't call anyone a "liar", the strongest expression here was "being lied to" (or in Boxer's words: "says things that are flat out untrue"). Not even a "she...lied", just mistakes were made. I think the AP recalled the LBN headline for this reason.

[Just Me]

6. Spectacular!!! Boxer is providing the facts backing that assertion!!

They (these Dems) are seriously kicking ASS!!!

Woooo Hoooo!!!! :bounce:

[hector459]

29. But, but , but "no one could have imagined that planes would be used...."

the lie of the century!

[driver8]

46. Rice was too busy following the boy king around like a puppy dog

to do her job properly. What does she get for her incompetence? A promotion!

She is a fucking liar who did not do her job. She was warned that Bin Laden was going to attack the US and she did nothing. If she was in the military, that would be considered "Dereliction of Duty." Instead, she gets promoted.

[The Political Amazon]

95. Rice was actually focusing on Venezuela

It seems Rice has been focusing on causing problems for Venezuela over the last four years. Clearly, that is a Bush White House target, and Rice is doing her part to undermine the Venezuelan government.

But I don't think we can blame Venezuela for Rice's inability to perform her duties.

She is simply inept for a position of such magnitude. But she wasn't put into the position because of her capabilities. She was put there because she would do as she was told.

It'll be interesting to see who the more covert neocon agitators are in Venezuela. Michael Ledeen and his Usual Suspects are the ones who are responsible for agitating us into Iraq, and they started agitating for invasion of Syria and Iran at least 2 years ago.

Interestingly, Ledeen had more access to the Oval Office in the first few months of Bush's first year in Washington than did General Clark, who had serious security issues we was busting-a-gut to bring Bush's attention to.

I guess BUsh had "other priorities," as well.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

48. Day late and a dollar short...as is typical of those with faux courage.

Where were all of these Dems BEFORE THE WAR! It's great that they have developed a backbone, but we sure could have used it 18 months ago!

JB

[candy331]

56. Ducking for cover. n/t

[Name removed]

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[driver8]

77. Amen, AngryWhiteLiberal...Amen!! n/t

[Massachusetts]

7. The truth shall set you free!

[democratic4ever]

8. I always liked Dayton. eom

[Carolab]

86. Please remember to thank him!

He is my senator and I am most proud of him today!

And Robert Byrd too!

Plus Harry Reid actually stood up for Barbara with the newsies afterward and said he didn't know what Frist was talking about (re: Boxer's petition cum PAC donations request), then moved along to something more important; to wit, he mentioned that we have this huge deficit with 58% of our debt owned by other countries and that this is a very bad situation.

All in all, it felt good to be a Dem today!

[truthseeker1]

9. Whoa! You're kidding! This is great!! eom

[Hand]

10. Rate this story!

It's low--only 2.87. Beat the freepers!

:grr:

[moobu2]

13. Damn freeper's they probably have many yahoo accounts

and log on to each one and vote....that's the only explination I can think of that would get a rating like this.

Its current average rating is 2.87 with 1748 vote(s).

[Nomad559]

11. Its current average rating is 2.87 with 1686 vote(s).

Please rate this article.

:)

Edit - We posted at the same time. :)

[NNN0LHI]

14. She put up the picture with Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam

And explained that the meeting was during the same time that Saddam was gassing the Iranians and that Rumsfeld was a big player in it.

Don

[mordarlar]

74. LINK to Saddam Rumsfeld visit.

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/index.htm

>>>Soon thereafter, Donald Rumsfeld (who had served in various positions in the Nixon and Ford administrations, including as President Ford's defense secretary, and at this time headed the multinational pharmaceutical company G.D. Searle & Co.) was dispatched to the Middle East as a presidential envoy. His December 1983 tour of regional capitals included Baghdad, where he was to establish "direct contact between an envoy of President Reagan and President Saddam Hussein," while emphasizing "his close relationship" with the president . Rumsfeld met with Saddam, and the two discussed regional issues of mutual interest, shared enmity toward Iran and Syria, and the U.S.'s efforts to find alternative routes to transport Iraq's oil;<<<


>>>Rumsfeld was to discuss with Iraqi officials the Reagan administration's hope that it could obtain Export-Import Bank credits for Iraq, the Aqaba pipeline, and its vigorous efforts to cut off arms exports to Iran. According to an affidavit prepared by one of Rumsfeld's companions during his Mideast travels, former NSC staff member Howard Teicher, Rumsfeld also conveyed to Iraq an offer from Israel to provide assistance, which was rejected <<<

>>>Although official U.S. policy still barred the export of U.S. military equipment to Iraq, some was evidently provided on a "don't ask - don't tell" basis. In April 1984, the Baghdad interests section asked to be kept apprised of Bell Helicopter Textron's negotiations to sell helicopters to Iraq, which were not to be "in any way configured for military use" . The purchaser was the Iraqi Ministry of Defense.<<<

[Sporadicus]

15. Nasty Photo of Hastert

I realize that applies to every photo taken of the slug, but the one in the Yahoo! story is particularlii nastii.

[superconnected]

16. thank you Dayton - a light of hope in the dem party

[NNN0LHI]

17. Looks like a lying Bush apologist to me

[prodigal_green]

41. you Democrats are all a bunch of

"truthists" How dare you judge somebody on the veracity of their statements!

[NNN0LHI]

54. Well , we have our faults

:P

[Name removed]

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[despairing optimist]

72. That profile. I know I've seen it somewhere else . . .

[Tracer]

18. And this liar and Bush apologist ...

... will be our new Secretary of State.

She has no shame.

[Vidar]

19. Cool, the dems are beginning to stand up. Good for Dayton.

[Nothing Without Hope]

20. Sounds different from Biden, who has said he supported confirming Rice

in a Sunday interview:

He said he would vote for Rice to replace Colin Powell as secretary of state because "she's an honorable person" and a president "gets the chance to pick the person who he thinks will implement his policies."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1176704

I wonder what he will say now, with the examples of Boxer's and Dayton's courage and integrity and the damning evidence of Rice's incompetence and dishonesty before him? He is angling for the presidential nomination in 2008 and seems to be always picking his words to please what he perceives to be the powers that be. Quite a contrast with Boxer's and Dayton's inspiring stands. I hope they receive major support for what they are doing, enough to convince more Democrats and even some Republicans that acting with integrity isn't necessarily career suicide.

[Oversea Visitor]

98. Here a good guess

of what he will say

" Holy shit, why didnt you guys tell me having spine is IN FASHION now"

[Nothing Without Hope]

100. Unfortunately, having spine ISN'T in fashion. Rice won easily. n/t

[Oversea Visitor]

101. Maybe should send

a big thank you to all who vote yes.

All that excuse to invade Iraq and look at the outcome, maybe ask them was the vote a yes to this

www.zonaeuropa.com/01467.htm

[Nothing Without Hope]

102. Oh yes, thank-yous to these brave Senators is a good idea.

Along these lines, have you seen this site, devoted to the Ohio election results confirmation vote objectors?
http://thankyoupatriot.com

We need to praise when praise is due. These Congresspeople are under enormous pressure.

[Oversea Visitor]

103. I have

dont have much photos yet. But shit will hit the fans when they really have a lots of photos. It will really show that the voters are really piss. You guys need to get people who feel on this to send in photos. If needed maybe many of you should just ask people if they like to stand up by having their pic taken and posted on this site.
You put in 100,000 or more and it will really get scary.

[callous taoboy]

21. As Insult the Comedy Dog would say:

Condi could take a big dump on the senate floor and would still be confirmed.

[olddad56]

22. Who is Senator Dick Durbin and where has he been? ..

He is great. He is making perfect sense. If your Senator is not speaking his/her truth, dump them. This is a time for our Senators to stand up and be counted.

[NNN0LHI]

26. He is my Senator from Illinois

I was pushing for him to run for president a few years ago around here. No one would listen. Tut, tut.

Don

[wicket]

23. I love that headline

:D

[Mr Rabble]

24. One step at a time.

All these people need to get support for speaking the truth. These senators will all be getting emails from me.

[The Backlash Cometh]

25. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, We're big, we're bad, we're BLUE!

[Name removed]

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[TheDonkey]

53. that's sort of ignorant

I gather you know why that phrase can be taken as offensive.

[NNN0LHI]

28. Bush ass kisser Diane Feinstein just finished up

She is really sickening. I remember her inspecting (photo op) Gitmo last year or the year before saying how wonderful everything was for the humans we keep in cages there. We need to replace her.

Don

[Rainscents]

30. She need to be replace!!!

Her husband own business they do with Iraq is the reason she must go!!! She is bias!

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

32. I've just tuned into to the coverage. Has Kerry been "up" yet? Thanks.

[driver8]

76. Diane Feinstein must go!!

What is with all the ass kissing lately, Ms. Feinstein?

Californians, are you with me?? We need to get rid of this Rice lover.

[The Political Amazon]

96. NO KIDDING. I walked precincts to get her elected, too.

Out of my decades of political activism, the biggest regret I have is walking precincts for Feinstein.

California is suffering under Feinstein's servitude to Bush. Feinstein puts her service to Bush ahead of what's best for her constituents--time after time after time.

About once every 2 months I get ticked off enough to call Maxine Waters' office and demand that she run for the Senate. They always say, "We tell her that all the time, but she doesn't listen to us!"

At this point, I believe my potted fern would be serve California better than Feinstein. And my potted fern doesn't even have opposible thumbs.

[calimary]

104. Welcome to DU! And I echo your NO KIDDING. She's a colossal

disappointment. I, too, worked for her and voted for her, and look what we get. What a turncoat. On all that matters, you can count on ol' DiFi to capitulate yet again to the bushies. Maybe she's thinking longterm...

Anyway, at least we have Barbara "Backbone" Boxer. Now, when I call other people's congress reps or senators, I tell them to look at Barbara Boxer. I remind them that - hey, (IDIOT), you now have a template to follow here. Barbara Boxer can show you how it's done. You actually CAN do this. We want leadership, not cow-towing, and we now actually have a good example to point to. And best of all, she's safe now, for six years. She just got reelected, QUITE comfortably. Not a thing the bad guys can do to her for quite some time. bush can only wish he had her appproval ratings.

BTW, it doesn't always come up in my posts anymore, but I used to have a sig line that went like this:

1 (800) 839 - 5276 - TOLL FREE to the Capitol Hill Switchboard. Call it and they'll transfer you to ANY House and/or Senate office you name!

[zann725]

33. Senator Jack Reed (R.I.) is opposing her Nom. too!

I don't know much about him, but he looks so polite and Moderate...and YET he is QUITE concerned about Condi's nom. I love it when he said that perhaps Condi's mind and Bush's are "too melded as one" to honestly tell Bush what she thinks on issues.

[Skittles]

35. she IS a liar and "bush apologist" = BUSH WHORE

yes INDEED

[moobu2]

36. Didnt the headline say "LIED"?

I thought it did anyway it's "Democrats Say Rice Misled About Iraq War" . Did they change it?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050125/ap_on_go_co/senate_rice

[BayCityProgressive]

38. it said LIED before

[bananas]

40. abcnews has "Democrats Call Rice Liar, Bush Apologist"

abcnews has "Democrats Call Rice Liar, Bush Apologist"
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=441679

[moobu2]

42. NYTimes piece

Democrats Use Rice Debate to Inveigh Against War in Iraq

[jbfam4]

50. Title change on same article...

Democrats Say Rice Misled About Iraq War

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=512&ncid=716&e=5&u=/ap/20050125/ap_on_go_co/senate_rice

[paineinthearse]

45. Headlines all over the place

Google "Democrats call Rice a liar and a Bush apologist, but confirmation" - 722 hits.

Headlines for wire service stories (in this case AP) are written by the local newspaper.

Here are some samples:

Democrats Say Rice Misled About Iraq War
Guardian, UK

Democrats pummel Rice, Bush administration over war in Iraq
Kansas City Star

Democrats call Rice a liar and a Bush apologist, but confirmation ...
CBC News, Canada

Senate Democrats Accuse Rice of Lying
Los Angeles Times

Democrats Slam Rice, But Senate Approval Assured
Wired News

Dayton says his vote against Rice a statement against 'lying'
Kansas City Star

Democrats delay approving Condoleezza Rices new post
Aljazeera.com, UK

Democrats Call Rice Liar, Bush Apologist
ABC News

Democrat senators criticise Rice
BBC News, UK

Senate Democrats assail Rice as misleading American public
Atlanta Journal Constitution

Boxer's rebellion and Democrats' new tone
Christian Science Monitor

Democrats, citing Iraq war, refuse to rubberstamp Rice as top US ...
Turkish Press, Turkey

Democrats Use Rice Debate to Inveigh Against War in Iraq
New York Times

US Senate Debating Rice Nomination
Voice of America

Kennedy Leads Democratic Onslaught on Bush and Rice
The Scotsman, UK

Senate begins debate on Rice nomination
CNN

Senate begins to debate Rice
Washington Times, DC

Note the Moonie paper's soft soaping!!!!!

[Just Me]

60. Dayton says his vote against Rice a statement against 'lying'

My vote for best headline although I'd change it to "Democrats vote against Rice a Statement against 'lying'"

[Mike Niendorff]

67. Yep, they changed it.

It was "lied" before, and now it's been changed to "misled".


MDN

[KissMeKate]

39. Dayton speaks the truth in a world full of lies

Everyone is so afraid to use the L word.

this only helps those who rely on lying to further the right wing agenda.

Thank you Mark Dayton!

[TankLV]

43. Finally. Someone to tell the TRUTH for a change!

How refreshing!

No quibbling with words.

bush* LIED!
Powell LIED!
Gorgonzola Rice LIED!
Cheney LIED!

It's about time! and waaay over due.

[driver8]

79. Maybe a few more dems will grow spines!

Come on Dems...get in the fight and get tough!!

[paineinthearse]

44. I detect Reid's WAR ROOM is getting into gear.

About time the hibernating bears awoke.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

49. finaly someone is saying something!

go dayton!

[intheflow]

51. Here's my favorite quote from the article:

Meanwhile, the Republican National Committee sent an e-mail to its supporters with the subject line "Meet the New Face of the Democratic Party." It portrayed Boxer as having a "left of liberal" voting record and being closely tied to the Hollywood elite."

Hollywood elite? You mean, like Ahhnold? Like Clint Eastwood, Charlton Heston, Adam Sandler, Kevin Costner, Sydney Pollack, Sylvester Stallone, and Mel Gibson? :eyes:

[rodeodance]

52. another headline---- Democrats Slam Rice, But Senate OK Assured

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20050125/pl_nm/congress_rice_dc

Democrats Slam Rice, But Senate OK Assured

2 hours, 18 minutes ago


By Vicki Allen

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -

........With stinging rhetoric, other Democrats recounted Rice's role as a confidant to President Bush (news - web sites), accusing her of developing policies that exacerbated the violence in Iraq and would force U.S. troops to remain there for years........




"Her confirmation will most certainly be viewed as another endorsement of the administration's unconstitutional doctrine of pre-emptive war, its bullying policies of unilateralism, and its callous rejection of our long-standing allies," said Sen. Robert Byrd (news, bio, voting record) of West Virginia........


.......

"I urge my colleague who focus only on the setbacks, mistakes or tragedies of Operation Iraqi Freedom to take the long view," said Assistant Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky. "The goal of spreading peace and freedom in the middle east is too important to suffer hypercritical politicized attacks."

Wyoming Republican Sen. Craig Thomas (news, bio, voting record) grumbled about the "time-honored tradition of trying to score political points by distorting the record of the president's decision to use force in Iraq.".......

[TankLV]

55. Like that sack of lying shit saint ronnie?

[intheflow]

57. LOL!

How could I forget Ronnie Raygun?

[Disturbed]

61. Every Democrat should vote NO on..

Rice and Gonzales to let the world know that there are millions of Amerikans that do not approve of lying and torture. Even if these two incompetent Bush Junta lackies get nomintated at least the world would know that Democrats did not endorse them or the Bush Junta policies.

[Just Me]

65. Every "representative" who supports integrity and the Constitution,...

,...should vote NO on Rice and Gonzales, letting the rest of the world know that Americans respect both US and international laws.

I'm all for "Democrats" being the heroes for such fundamental causes. But, ALL "representatives" are suppose to support US law which integrates international laws and treaties.

[TankLV]

84. I try to every day. It's gotten easier over time!

I can't wait till the day comes when we can REMOVE his name from all the things they vandalized by putting his name on it and restoring the proper names!

[Just Me]

63. Ah. So, stating the facts which underlie the truth is "left of liberal".

I guess that makes lies, misrepresentations, manipulation, greed, bullshit, power-mongering, fear-mongering, war-mongering, etc. assets of those "right of conservative"?

Good grief!!!

[Laurab]

66. Not only that

stating the facts is sure not going to "help our guys over there", or "the way the world looks at us" (I was thinking they should have thought of that before they lied, but that's just me). I admit I don't remember the exact words, but one of the windbags was on a real roll. It was tough to stay awake. Freedom is on the march, and these petty partisan democrats are trying to ruin it for everyone. Yeah, the world is SO much better off now that we've gotten rid of Saddam.

I swear after listening to that one long-winded bs'er, I was ready to shoot my tv. Well, after listening to most of the rethugs I wanted to shoot the tv. And Feinstein, too. I swear, she really is a rethug. If not, she sure fooled me.

[oppositionmember]

64. She is a little liar, the minx!

[driver8]

80. What does Kindasleazy do all day?

Besides kiss Georgie's ass and tell lies, I mean.

[ignatius 2]

68. OMG, the L word. Sweeeeeet!!!!!

n/t

[FlyByNight]

69. Don't forget incompetent,...

and disingenuous too. Obviously, she's perfect for the job.

[muse]

71. Democrats call Rice a liar, but not Feinstein and Leiberman

They are practically gushing in their enthusiasm and support over Rice, it seems to me.

[NYC]

73. The moral of the story is:

The next time a headline says "lied", get a screenshot.

You have given the news article Democrats Say Rice Misled About Iraq War a rating of 5.

Its current average rating is 2.87 with 3,430 votes.

[Bozvotros]

75. Lets all support this with LTTE....here is mine.

Just fired this one off to my local papers....

It was refreshing to hear Senate Democrats use the "L" word when debating Condoleeza Rice for Secretary of State. Condi like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield and many others, stood in front of Congress and the American people and told lie after damnable lie about Iraq's threat to the US. There were fifty thousands liters of nerve gas, fleets of mobile biological weapons labs, deadly drones capable of carrying anthrax to American shores, long range missiles, aluminum tubes for atomic centrifuges, yellow cake from Niger and other trumped up hokum. Remember how Rumsfield claimed he knew exactly where it all was stored? Remember how Condi and Bush kept telling us about the looming mushroom cloud and how they linked Saddam to 911 so often that two-thirds of the country believed it? That was not bad intelligence. Those were big honkin' lies by big honkin' liars.

Remember how the Republicans spent eight long years pounding on their chests, howling like deranged banshees about Clinton's alleged crimes and cover ups? Remember how with 30 million dollars and unlimited subpoena power they came up with absolutely nothing? Do you recall how tastelessly they went trolling for trollops and setting up a perjury trap over the legal definition of sexual relations so they could bloviate about how critical telling the truth was for our great democracy? I do.

These same wailing hypocrites claimed that if Clinton could lie about his sex life, "the flag was falling" and that "the union will not stand." Now with thousands of dead and maimed US soldiers in the wake of their President's lies, they are suddenly less enamored about the importance of truth. Who in good conscience could vote for such a proven and cheerful liar as Rice? Probably no one. But good conscience is apparently optional in the Republican dominated US Congress.

[Nancy Waterman]

78. I heard part of Dayton's statement today

He was awesome!! Any chance he could run for pres in 2008. He is very articulate and focused.

[TankLV]

85. Don't ever forget Powell's performance.

He stated that HE HAD PICTURES, DOCUMENTS AND MAPS THAT PROVED THEY NOT ONLY HAD WMD, BUT WHERE THEY WERE, WHO HAD 'EM, WHAT TIME THEY ARRIVED, ETC. but that they were "too sensitive" or "national security" so that he couldn't actually show anybody any of it, but to "trust" him and the big lying AWOL boy and then produced some ridiculuous cartoons and childish drawings as "proof".

I almost died when nobody questioned him on that.

[BlueManDude]

81. thank you senator dayton

[Rose Siding]

82. AP changed the headline

"Hello, AP? WH calling"

Now it reads: Democrats Say Rice Misled About Iraq War

[MsMagnificent]

83. With her (Finally publicly recognized!) poor resume noted

HOW can these fucking idiots --even our Democratic politicians-- POSSIBLY allow this to happen?

We have lost all touch, all control over the people whom we actually elect, those who are supposed to work FOR us!

[Swamp Rat]

87. Rated it a '5'

:)

[Barkley]

89. What's Obama gonna do?

[jmatthan]

90. Obama has a problem as he thinks that

he is not a Democrat but elected by all the people of his State.

I have noted that in both his crucial votes to date, the first in the Senate and then in the Committee, his actions do not match his words!!

If he continues in that line he can be considered as an apologist!!

Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland

[AuntiBush]

91. Feels Good to be Represented by True Patriots!

Thank you, Senator Boxer and Senator Mark Dayton!

:yourock:

[The Political Amazon]

94. TALK IS CHEAP. LET'S SEE HOW THEY VOTE.

We've had a good five years of Democratic politicians pontificating about the importance of standing up for Democratic Party values (like Ted Kennedy who, about 2 hours later, when asked, said he "didn't know" how he would vote on Alberto Gonzales) at the same time they are voting to endorse Bush's most heinous policies. We've seen Democratic Party politicians criticize Bush and the GOP when they are trying to get their party loyalists to contribute to them, but once the politicians are back in Washington, it's back to Status-Quo Business As Usual.

I don't think we have the luxury of allowing our elected politicians--who we empowered and put into office--to continue to display more dedication to serving Bush Jr than they show to serving the constituents who put them into office...and who can take them out of office, as well.

There is no need for the Democratic politicians to change their Bush-serving ways, as long as their constituents continue to vote for them and contribute to their campaigns, even after the politicians ignore our requests and demands, and--instead of voting with the welfare of America and its citizens as their top priority, they vote with the welfare of Bush and his fellow war-profiteers as #1 on their list of priorities.

I think if we were to ask them why they voted against America's best interests in both the Tax Cuts for the Rich, the Iraq invasion and the Patriot Act, they would quote a famous Dick Cheney line (the one he said when asked why he got 5 deferments and didn't serve in Vietnam): "I had other priorities."

If they continue to have "other priorities," then we have to have "other priorities," as well. We need to make our priorities the "32 and anyone new"--the 32 who stood up for us on Dec. 6, and any new candidates.

But we have to be firm and turn away from the rest, who turned their backs on us, a long time ago, when they first bowed to Bush Jr.

Just my opinion...your mileage may vary.

[hollowdweller]

99. I am so happy to see them kicking ass now. Someone has to claim the moral

high ground!