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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 06:01 AM
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Rice Signals Iran Risks U.N. Sanctions
WASHINGTON - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice (news - Web sites) is signaling that Iran (news - Web sites) must move quickly to accept economic incentives to abandon its suspected nuclear arms development program or risk harsh U.N. sanctions.

Rice commented Friday as the United States softened its public posture and agreed to support an incentive program. Bush administration officials privately expressed skepticism that Iran would live up to the bargain.


Until now, the administration has insisted that Iran deserves no reward for simply abiding by an international arms compact that forbids nuclear weapons development. The United States suspects Iran is using a legitimate program to develop nuclear power plants as cover for illegal weapons development.


"I'm pleased that we are speaking with one voice with our European friends," President Bush (news - Web sites) said during a trip to Shreveport, La. "I look forward to working with our European friends to make it abundantly clear to the Iranian regime that the free world will not tolerate them having a nuclear weapon."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050312/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_iran
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Enquiringkitty Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 06:03 AM
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1. And so it starts again...same story...different country!
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 06:32 AM
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2. And what about every other country
with UN sanctions that we support wholeheartedly?

Gawd, when is the rest of the world just going to cut us off?
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BulletproofLandshark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 08:22 AM
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3. A question if I may.
Did Iran sign on to a non-proliferation treaty? Did the U.N. already pass a resolution forbidding Iranian nuclear arms development? I'm just trying to wrap my mind around how their potential weapons are "illegal" and our depleted uranium munitions are "legal".
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:03 AM
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6. They have voluntarily signed the non-proliferation treaty
They can pull out of it any time they want to. Other nuclear powers such as India, Israel, and Pakistan have not signed the non-proliferation treaty.I don't know of any U.N. resolutions forbidding Iranian nuclear arms development. Iran is doing nothing illegal here as far as I can tell. Rice is talking out of her ass as usual.

Don

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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 12:37 PM
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16. Right.
As if she does any of this analysis herself. What a joke.

Condaloser Rice is nothing but an United Parcel delivery person. She just drives the truck, takes her package to the designated party.

Rice is nothing more than the errand boy for the Bush administration. Rice attends meetings, and gets the policy from THEM.

She is in no position to forumulate policy for herself. What a worthless pursuit.


*apologies to UPS drivers. You guys are great, She's NOT.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 08:56 AM
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4. He thinks he can take credit for everything
"I look forward to working with our European friends" they left you chimpy, they were going to negotiate with out you Dumb ass!
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 09:57 AM
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5. If Iran does have nukes, we only have our foreign policy to blame
which says the way to avoid the fate of Saddam is to get a nuke
and weapon inspections lead to invasion.

The US cooperates/ negotiates with nuclear powers: Russia, N. Korea, Pakistan, India and China.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:05 AM
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7. You forgot Israel
>>>The US cooperates/ negotiates with nuclear powers: Russia, N. Korea, Pakistan, India and China.<<<
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:09 AM
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8. Trade suspected nuclear arms for non existent economic sanctions
I wonder how well this cabal in Washington sleeps at night. After a long day of making up lies to support it's PNAC agenda and blasting them out into space for everyone to hear.

These folks are some of the most evil humans to have walked the earth.

I wish the whole world would begin to call them on their shit.

How did this woman with all the potential she had decide to use it to this end? I think all her talents are wasted and misused and really of no consequence. She might as well have a job managing a McDonald's for all the good they are doing humanity.
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ausiedownunderground Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:11 AM
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9. Pootey Put will "Veto"!!!
Russia will "Veto" anything Rice puts up! China will "veto" nearly everything Rice puts up. France will "veto" some things Rice puts up. Britian will "not veto" anything Rice puts up! Rice loooooses!!! Unfortunately for America, it has lost all credibility when it comes to any "Rest of the World" event. It will take America years to get that back, if it wants to?????
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 01:17 PM
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19. And China too
China imports a lot of Iranian oil - they don't want to jeapoardize that supply...
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:12 AM
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10. It is always stupid to make threats you can't carry out. nt
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Politiclo8 Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:31 AM
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11. Yes and Iran (along with Chavez) has a plan of cut off our ..............
oil supply if Bush threatens Iran again. Isn't it nice how Bush is uniting our enemies against us. LOL
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 11:44 AM
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12. Again. Why CAN'T Iran have a nuclear program? Why is Iran
not allowed to defend itself?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 11:56 AM
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13. Its really very simple
It is because we can't steal their oil if they have nukes to defend it with.

Don

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Niccolo_Macchiavelli Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 12:14 PM
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14. what about: US risks oil embargo if they don't stfu
russia, venezuela, iran and canada redirecting oil to others customers... then the trooops can push their bradleys to war.

or if kyoto isn't applied

or if bases around the worldd aren't evacuated

or if US isn't doing more for proper democratic process

...


hows this CON_DOH_LIAR?
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 12:21 PM
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15. Hardly speaking with one voice
Russia, France, Germany and others have no voice sharing with this mob in the states. Just because England has sold its soul, does not mean it makes up the EU.

You would think that the person writing this "news" might actually provide a reality-based background to Mr. Bush's comments. Oops, I thought I was talking about bloggers, citizen journalists, and the free press.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 12:44 PM
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17. Why should we care about what this war criminal slut has to say?
Condi is following the same script she did for Iraq. Arm twist the UN into passing a US-written resolution as a legal fig leaf for American aggression in the Persian Gulf.

The real issue is that nuclear weapons are the only deterrent against American genocide. All nations that can do so should get nukes as a safeguard against American bombs raining down on their cities.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 01:27 PM
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20. I really don't think the world would be safer with more nuclear weapons.
The ChimpCo could offer Iran US-made photovoltaic arrays, solar hot water heaters, wind turbines, energy efficient electric motors and household appliances and hydrogen fuel cell electrical storage systems in exchange for giving up their nuclear power plants.

That would be desirable on many levels...

But naaa...that would be too greenie and too liberal and Halliburton couldn't make any money off it...

nevermind

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 02:41 PM
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22. The alternative is to trust Bush as the world's atomic cowboy!
I wouldn't trust with nukes anyone that believes in the Bible as the inerrant word of GAWD, and sees himself as GAWD's agent on Earth.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 04:10 PM
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24. I'll remember that when New Delhi and Karachi
become smoking glass-lined craters and US milk sales are suspended due to 90Sr and 131I contamination.

and the Good Mullahs in Tehran have no religious delusions???

<snarkiness off>

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ausiedownunderground Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 12:52 PM
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18. I hate to say it,,Indiana green but your very close to right!!!
Not all countries outside of America can afford to invest as much as America has invested in Weaponary!!!
But we will eventually prevail. There is a terrible conspiracy going on between Asian and Anglo-Saxon central bankers that Greenscam needs to get involved with!!!! Before its to late for America! It is definately not a "JOKE"!
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 01:39 PM
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21. "The United States suspects Iran is using a legitimate
Edited on Sat Mar-12-05 01:45 PM by Zorra
program to develop nuclear power plants as cover for illegal weapons development."

Is this our premise for another invasion or other form of subjugation of a sovereign nation? Kind of like

"The US suspects Iraq of having Weapons of Mass Destruction"?

Consider this "theoretical" scenario:

The PNAC is in control of the US government; since the PNAC coup of 2000, this group of lunatics has proven that it will stop at nothing to achieve its goals of national and global corporate dominion. They are destroying America foremost by destroying our democracy, and then by using up all our physical, financial, diplomatic, social, and economic resources in using the US as a worldwide global police force, weakening us to the point where we are approaching a tenuous (at best) hold on democratic national sovereignity. They are using the same method that the Caesars, Napoleans, and Hitlers, etc., have used throughout history: Expanding empire beyond the capabilities of sustaining empire, causing a national collapse. Except that with the PNAC, this is not a mistake. A sovereign, democratic US was, probably, the greatest threat to global corporate dominion; if the people of the US ever regained control of "their" government, they could re-establish a sovereign nation powerful enough to resist a global corporate empire.

Disguising itself as a nationalistic organization promoting American principles, the PNAC is in reality a tool for consolidating a global corporate empire.

Substitute "Corporate Empire" for "United States" and "American" in the following excerpts from the PNAC Statement of Principles, and you get a clearer picture of why this administration is deliberately devastating our nation:

"We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration's success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States' global responsibilities.

Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise...."

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

One thing that you can be sure of: While Bush and the PNAC Corporate Puppeteers use up all of our resources and dismantle 225 years of democracy and relative prosperity, they will all personally be amassing huge amounts of wealth as the huge majority of we the people become poorer, individually and collectively as a nation..

"The global power of the financial centers is so great, that they can afford not to worry about the political tendency of those who hold power in a nation, if the economic program (in other words, the role that nation has in the global economic megaprogram) remains unaltered. The financial disciplines impose themselves upon the different colors of the world political spectrum in regards to the government of any nation. The great world power can tolerate a leftist government in any part of the world, as long as the government does not take measures that go against the needs of the world financial centers. But in no way will it tolerate that an alternative economic, political and social organization consolidate. For the megapolitics, the national politics are dwarfed and submit to the dictates of the financial centers...."

http://www.cambridgeaction.net/node/view/17

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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 03:12 PM
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23. Does Madame Secretary tell the UN what to do after telling it where
to go?
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 08:30 PM
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25. Where is Colin Powell? Can we get him back?
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