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Judi Lynn
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Tue Apr-26-05 03:51 PM Original message |
California proposes requiring bullet ID numbers |
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Worst Username Ever
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Tue Apr-26-05 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
1. There are going to be problems with this. |
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lapfog_1
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Tue Apr-26-05 06:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
23. Ummm... isn't it easy to make your own bullets??? |
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Toots
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Wed Apr-27-05 10:41 AM Response to Reply #23 |
42. Only if you possess a stockpile of Brass |
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Wed Apr-27-05 10:47 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. I think brass,bullets, primers and powder are available in CA |
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NickB79
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Wed Apr-27-05 11:05 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. You can buy brass casings from numerous sources |
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Canuckistanian
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Mon May-02-05 06:07 PM Response to Reply #48 |
185. You can re-use cases? Isn't that dangerous? |
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slackmaster
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Mon May-02-05 06:24 PM Response to Reply #185 |
187. Not dangerous if you follow the rules |
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Richard Steele
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Mon May-02-05 06:25 PM Response to Reply #185 |
188. Not at all. Modern brass cases are designed to be reused. |
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Thu Apr-28-05 12:59 AM Response to Reply #42 |
77. Ummm...you can buy as many truckloads of brass.... |
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IronHorseman
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Thu Apr-28-05 06:11 AM Response to Reply #42 |
108. Brass |
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Zynx
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Wed Apr-27-05 10:53 AM Response to Reply #23 |
46. Rounds, yes - it's called reloading. Actual bullets, no. |
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Wed Apr-27-05 12:02 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. cast bullets, easily made from wheel weight lead |
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Zynx
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Fri Apr-29-05 02:37 PM Response to Reply #55 |
139. And you're going to make percision JHP 9mm rounds like this? |
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Fri Apr-29-05 04:54 PM Response to Reply #139 |
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Fri Apr-29-05 05:04 PM Response to Reply #139 |
159. You can buy hollow point bullet molds.... |
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Richard Steele
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Mon May-02-05 07:05 PM Response to Reply #139 |
190. It's NOT as difficult as you imply. An average 12yo could do it SAFELY. |
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:01 AM Response to Reply #46 |
78. Come on... |
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Thu Apr-28-05 03:28 AM Response to Reply #46 |
106. Indeed. |
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DoNotRefill
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:55 PM Response to Reply #106 |
119. Cast iron?!?!? |
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d_b
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Thu Apr-28-05 04:19 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Probably not. |
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Fri Apr-29-05 02:19 AM Response to Reply #120 |
129. Well, I have safes (plural) full of guns... |
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jody
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Thu Apr-28-05 08:24 PM Response to Reply #106 |
122. He must be casting cannon balls from iron, not bullets! n/t |
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d_b
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Thu Apr-28-05 09:27 PM Response to Reply #122 |
126. Haha. |
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Zerex71
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
112. It sure is -- I've made a bunch and my dad's made thousands. |
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BrightKnight
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Mon May-02-05 03:34 PM Response to Reply #112 |
182. Lead bullet molds costs about $30 |
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Wed Apr-27-05 04:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
37. It probably won't make a dent in premeditated crime, |
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Wed Apr-27-05 10:28 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. I guess to me it was the gang-banging set that I felt this was aimed at. |
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DoNotRefill
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:06 AM Response to Reply #37 |
79. Wrong... |
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Momgonepostal
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Tue Apr-26-05 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
2. Sounds like an excellent idea |
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toopers
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Tue Apr-26-05 04:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. It won't bankrupt legitimate gun users . . . |
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IronHorseman
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Tue Apr-26-05 08:57 PM Response to Reply #18 |
34. that half cent per round would add up guick. |
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Wed Apr-27-05 11:03 AM Response to Reply #34 |
47. So you couldn't afford an extra $2.50 - $5.00 per week? |
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NickB79
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Wed Apr-27-05 11:47 AM Response to Reply #47 |
53. I wish that were all it would cost |
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slackmaster
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Wed Apr-27-05 12:42 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. If that cost returns zero in public safety I am not willing to pay it |
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Fri Apr-29-05 05:00 PM Response to Reply #58 |
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IronHorseman
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Wed Apr-27-05 05:21 PM Response to Reply #47 |
60. I alway buy at lesast 2-3 times as much ammo as I shoot. |
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Thu Apr-28-05 12:02 AM Response to Reply #47 |
73. I think the half cent is how much CA would collect to administer |
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sweetheart
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Tue Apr-26-05 06:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
24. I agree, it is the best way |
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Xithras
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Tue Apr-26-05 07:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. I disagree, it would never work |
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sweetheart
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Wed Apr-27-05 04:35 AM Response to Reply #28 |
38. However, that's flawed |
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Xithras
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Wed Apr-27-05 12:15 PM Response to Reply #38 |
56. But they would BUY them |
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DoNotRefill
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:14 AM Response to Reply #38 |
82. Ummm....there are millions of people in the US with reloading setups... |
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jmowreader
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Mon May-02-05 06:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
186. The field of gangsta support will be exquisitely lucrative |
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DoNotRefill
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:11 AM Response to Reply #24 |
81. Huh? Where'd you get THAT??? |
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IronHorseman
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Thu Apr-28-05 06:07 AM Response to Reply #81 |
107. Gun Powder |
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jody
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Thu Apr-28-05 08:31 PM Response to Reply #107 |
123. deleted |
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zipplewrath
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Wed Apr-27-05 11:46 AM Response to Reply #2 |
52. Only effectiveness |
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DoNotRefill
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:07 AM Response to Reply #2 |
80. Nobody will comply with it.... |
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derby378
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Tue Apr-26-05 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
3. It's a classic recipe for framing innocent gun owners |
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pnutchuck
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Tue Apr-26-05 04:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. watch much Law & Order or CSI??? lol eom |
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pnutchuck
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Tue Apr-26-05 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
4. I like it! |
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RumpusCat
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Wed Apr-27-05 11:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
70. Heh, I was gonna bring up Chris Rock |
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Mugweed
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Tue Apr-26-05 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
6. Where do the numbers go? |
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Tue Apr-26-05 04:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
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Tue Apr-26-05 04:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. I could be wrong, but I thought they didn't use lead bullets |
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Xithras
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Tue Apr-26-05 06:57 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. You are wrong |
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IronHorseman
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Tue Apr-26-05 08:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
35. You`re wrong |
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Zynx
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Wed Apr-27-05 10:51 AM Response to Reply #17 |
45. All bullets are lead - solid "hard" metal rounds are generally illegal |
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IronHorseman
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Wed Apr-27-05 05:25 PM Response to Reply #45 |
61. Wrong |
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DoNotRefill
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Thu Apr-28-05 02:56 AM Response to Reply #61 |
103. Most lead-free ammo I've seen is frangible... |
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Zerex71
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:17 PM Response to Reply #103 |
114. The Black Talons stayed intact. |
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DoNotRefill
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. The black talon is just another hollowpoint.... |
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BrightKnight
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Mon May-02-05 06:36 PM Response to Reply #115 |
189. Black Talon == SXT (Same Exact Thing) |
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Zynx
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Fri Apr-29-05 02:46 PM Response to Reply #61 |
142. I'm familiar with Barnes. Hell, I use a decent amount of it. |
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Walt Starr
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Tue Apr-26-05 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
7. I can foresee a HUGE problem with this... |
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RC
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Tue Apr-26-05 04:13 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Won't work on shot guns? |
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Walt Starr
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Tue Apr-26-05 04:17 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. That'll be REALLY effective |
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uppityperson
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Tue Apr-26-05 04:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Maybe you can special order them with tiny smiley faces? |
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DoNotRefill
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Thu Apr-28-05 03:08 AM Response to Reply #16 |
104. There was one company that sells .50 BMG rifles... |
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LifeDuringWartime
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Tue Apr-26-05 09:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
36. RFID |
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Spider Jerusalem
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Tue Apr-26-05 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
8. Hm. |
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Tue Apr-26-05 04:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. You've convinced me this is a bad idea! |
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slackmaster
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Wed Apr-27-05 10:36 AM Response to Reply #8 |
41. Even the numbered bullets could be easily defeated |
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DoNotRefill
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:17 AM Response to Reply #8 |
83. Don't forget scuba gear.... |
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roughandtumble
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Tue Apr-26-05 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
12. Watch the NRA whine about this... |
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Richard Steele
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Tue Apr-26-05 04:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. ok..... |
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Q3JR4
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Tue Apr-26-05 04:48 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. You said it brother, |
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Richardo
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Tue Apr-26-05 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
15. I love this idea. |
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XemaSab
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Tue Apr-26-05 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
20. Why not? |
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Sentath
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Tue Apr-26-05 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
21. Hmm.. maybe not laser etched on the bullet |
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Tue Apr-26-05 08:07 PM Response to Reply #21 |
33. would work much better, but be very expensive |
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Wed Apr-27-05 11:48 AM Response to Reply #33 |
54. Most ammo sold in boxes of 20 rounds or less? |
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hollowdweller
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Wed Apr-27-05 09:16 PM Response to Reply #54 |
67. I bought a 1200 round case not long ago, and I'm halfway thru it! |
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:20 AM Response to Reply #33 |
84. Feh. Speak for yourself. |
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Fri Apr-29-05 05:13 PM Response to Reply #33 |
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Tue Apr-26-05 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
22. I am one of those so-called "gun nuts", |
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BadNews
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Wed Apr-27-05 11:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
72. That is exactly why I oppose this. Reject this AWFUL idea |
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Thu Apr-28-05 12:48 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. You are correct, |
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:21 AM Response to Reply #22 |
85. Heh. YOU try filling out 500 ATF Form 4473s.... |
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Dave Reynolds
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:28 AM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Writer's cramp, yah? |
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DoNotRefill
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:31 AM Response to Reply #90 |
93. They tried a limited version of this from 1968-1986... |
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Dave Reynolds
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:40 AM Response to Reply #93 |
96. THAT idea is too humorous, |
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:32 PM Response to Reply #93 |
116. There was a registry for powder and primer sales too |
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Xithras
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Tue Apr-26-05 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
25. Umm, lots of people make their own bullets |
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Tue Apr-26-05 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
27. All who like this idea, please see posts #1 and #3. |
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Tue Apr-26-05 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
29. And a $50 tax per bullet please. |
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Tue Apr-26-05 07:25 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Although I know you are being at least partially facetious, |
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:24 AM Response to Reply #30 |
87. What, you don't like the socio-economic Jim Crow nature of the NFA '34??? |
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Thu Apr-28-05 10:42 AM Response to Reply #87 |
109. I have no idea what you are talking about. |
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:36 PM Response to Reply #109 |
117. The NFA of 1934... |
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Fri Apr-29-05 05:19 PM Response to Reply #117 |
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Tue Apr-26-05 07:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. So you want to increase accidental deaths? |
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:23 AM Response to Reply #29 |
86. Well, you see...actually the CRIMINAL only needs a few... |
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Tue Apr-26-05 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
32. Never work |
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slackmaster
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Wed Apr-27-05 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
40. How many crooks are going to be dumb enough to use numbered bullets? |
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Wed Apr-27-05 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
44. They need to eliminate Racism and Poverty |
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Wed Apr-27-05 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
49. Don't bullets deform when fired? |
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NickB79
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Wed Apr-27-05 11:41 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Not only that, but how about when it hits? |
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Wed Apr-27-05 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
50. This would effectively ban any ammo sales in CA. |
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sweetheart
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Wed Apr-27-05 12:39 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. Or more simply, end the war on drugs |
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Wed Apr-27-05 12:43 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. "Tag-And-Release" for gangbangers? |
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Wed Apr-27-05 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
62. finally a little sanity |
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slackmaster
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Wed Apr-27-05 06:58 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I'm having a little trouble parsing that pseudo-sentence |
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NNguyenMD
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Wed Apr-27-05 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
64. Ballistic's finger printing is more sound, logistically and economically |
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CarinKaryn
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Wed Apr-27-05 08:58 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. They have a vested interest in defeating any proposal that makes sense! |
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Wed Apr-27-05 10:54 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Or maybe they know idiocy and BS when they see it? |
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:29 AM Response to Reply #69 |
91. ROTFLMAO!!! |
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NickB79
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Wed Apr-27-05 11:26 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. How is ballistic fingerprinting more sound? |
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NNguyenMD
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:26 AM Response to Reply #71 |
88. it seems more feasible to attach a ballistics fingerprint to every gun |
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NickB79
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Thu Apr-28-05 02:05 AM Response to Reply #88 |
100. It is not that simple |
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DoNotRefill
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Thu Apr-28-05 02:53 AM Response to Reply #88 |
102. You might read up on the NFRTR, created by the NFA '34... |
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:28 AM Response to Reply #64 |
89. Ballistic fingerprinting is a load of horseshit. |
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NNguyenMD
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:31 AM Response to Reply #89 |
92. I guess I haven't really been paying much attention... |
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:34 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Seriously....do you know much about guns and ballistic fingerprinting? |
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NNguyenMD
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:37 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. well what can I say, your credentials exponentially |
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DoNotRefill
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:44 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. Well... |
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NNguyenMD
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:50 AM Response to Reply #97 |
99. I think I will take you up on your offer for that explanation on why |
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DoNotRefill
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Thu Apr-28-05 02:47 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Ok...want anecdotal evidence? |
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NNguyenMD
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Fri Apr-29-05 02:34 AM Response to Reply #101 |
131. That is very convincing information. |
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DoNotRefill
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Fri Apr-29-05 02:41 AM Response to Reply #131 |
133. No problem...now, about this pain I have in my leg.... |
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NNguyenMD
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Fri Apr-29-05 03:05 AM Response to Reply #133 |
134. haha, as much as I would like to...I have no happy pills to offer |
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DoNotRefill
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Fri Apr-29-05 04:57 PM Response to Reply #134 |
157. I know...it was just good natured joshing. |
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:47 AM Response to Reply #92 |
98. How many people hide the bodies? |
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IronHorseman
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Thu Apr-28-05 04:51 PM Response to Reply #92 |
121. You don`t have to change anything to alter the"Finger Print" |
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Fri Apr-29-05 05:24 PM Response to Reply #64 |
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Wed Apr-27-05 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
66. I am SO glad I don't live in California |
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Thu Apr-28-05 12:13 AM Response to Reply #66 |
74. I'll be buying mine second hand or in Nevada. n/t |
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Wed Apr-27-05 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
68. great idea |
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Thu Apr-28-05 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
76. Heh. No way in hell it would work.... |
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CarinKaryn
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Thu Apr-28-05 12:10 PM Response to Reply #76 |
111. Hahahahahahhahhahahahah |
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:14 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. The fact that CA is such a large market will be this bill's demise |
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Thu Apr-28-05 01:45 PM Response to Reply #111 |
118. If they had to serialize every bullet? |
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saigon68
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Thu Apr-28-05 09:17 PM Response to Reply #118 |
125. S & W can go fuck themselves |
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Fri Apr-29-05 02:36 AM Response to Reply #125 |
132. they already did... |
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Fri Apr-29-05 12:39 PM Response to Reply #132 |
136. NEAR THE END IIRC was almost giving their stuff away |
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Thu Apr-28-05 03:28 AM Response to Original message |
105. I am pro gun... |
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Thu Apr-28-05 11:38 AM Response to Reply #105 |
110. I guess you didn't really read through the thread much |
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Thu Apr-28-05 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
124. This thread demonstrates how many Democrats we have |
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Thu Apr-28-05 09:34 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. You are absolutely correct. |
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Thu Apr-28-05 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
128. Maybe a little info is in order or would folks |
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Fri Apr-29-05 02:30 AM Response to Reply #128 |
130. Yup, they'll save the world, and it will be Free! FREEEE, I TELL YOU!!!! |
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Fri Apr-29-05 02:46 PM Response to Reply #130 |
141. Lots of points here |
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Fri Apr-29-05 03:44 PM Response to Reply #141 |
148. Canada's national gun registration has massive cost overruns |
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Fri Apr-29-05 03:47 PM Response to Reply #148 |
149. Okay, but would the costs to implement this be |
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Fri Apr-29-05 04:01 PM Response to Reply #149 |
150. However low the cost, we taxpayers and gun owners deserve to know |
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Fri Apr-29-05 04:17 PM Response to Reply #150 |
151. I won't argue with you. I don't think anyone of good faith would |
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Fri Apr-29-05 04:55 PM Response to Reply #149 |
156. Actually, it'll be many times higher.... |
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Fri Apr-29-05 06:06 PM Response to Reply #156 |
169. No, all the cartridges in a box would have the same number |
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Fri Apr-29-05 06:46 PM Response to Reply #169 |
172. The problem is... |
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Fri Apr-29-05 06:57 PM Response to Reply #172 |
173. Well. let's see... |
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Fri Apr-29-05 09:54 PM Response to Reply #173 |
174. Because it's a huge privacy infringement under the 4th amendment... |
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Sun May-01-05 12:48 AM Response to Reply #174 |
175. Nah, I think you are all wrong. How can we get an opinion from |
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Sun May-01-05 02:41 AM Response to Reply #175 |
177. Ummm... |
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Mon May-02-05 01:18 AM Response to Reply #177 |
178. Don't leave the discussion yet, please. |
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Mon May-02-05 03:50 AM Response to Reply #178 |
179. Start your reading with Mapp v. Ohio.... |
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Mon May-02-05 11:33 AM Response to Reply #179 |
181. I will here address the first problem you raise and will leave |
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Mon May-02-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #181 |
183. /shakes his head.... |
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Mon May-02-05 05:54 PM Response to Reply #183 |
184. Shakes his head too |
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Mon May-02-05 08:52 PM Response to Reply #184 |
191. Depends on whose courtroom it's in... |
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Tue May-03-05 08:16 AM Response to Reply #191 |
192. Okay, a quick summary and we are done.. |
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Tue May-03-05 05:24 PM Response to Reply #192 |
193. Two questions for you: |
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Tue May-03-05 06:50 PM Response to Reply #193 |
194. Q & A |
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Wed May-04-05 01:16 AM Response to Reply #194 |
195. point by point |
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Fri Apr-29-05 09:04 AM Response to Reply #128 |
135. ammo coding = anti-environment |
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Fri Apr-29-05 02:57 PM Response to Reply #135 |
143. I don't know if the mfr of ACS has addressed this. |
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Fri Apr-29-05 03:10 PM Response to Reply #143 |
145. not jacketed |
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Fri Apr-29-05 03:39 PM Response to Reply #145 |
147. Thanks. How come the dust doesn't contaminate a bunch of meat? nt |
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Fri Apr-29-05 05:09 PM Response to Reply #147 |
161. Because people don't often eat other people? |
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Fri Apr-29-05 05:23 PM Response to Reply #161 |
166. Okay, makes sense to me. I already understand F=ma so a |
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Fri Apr-29-05 05:06 PM Response to Reply #145 |
160. Sintering.... |
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Fri Apr-29-05 05:25 PM Response to Reply #160 |
168. Yes, thank you. I've seen sintering in filters. |
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Fri Apr-29-05 06:41 PM Response to Reply #168 |
171. Sintered metal is not as strong... |
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Fri Apr-29-05 06:19 PM Response to Reply #143 |
170. Frangible ammo: Bad for hunting |
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Fri Apr-29-05 02:20 PM Response to Reply #128 |
137. Well now THAT'S reassuring |
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Fri Apr-29-05 02:34 PM Response to Reply #128 |
138. Why make the perfect the enemy of the good? |
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Fri Apr-29-05 02:45 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. I'll answer your question with a couple of questions and some comments |
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Fri Apr-29-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #140 |
144. I don't recall where the penny |
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Fri Apr-29-05 03:12 PM Response to Reply #144 |
146. Thanks - I try not to reject proposals out of hand |
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Fri Apr-29-05 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
152. About the company that is selling the bullet serialization technology... |
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Fri Apr-29-05 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
153. Deleted message |
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Fri Apr-29-05 04:46 PM Response to Reply #153 |
154. Some will, yes, but crims are not the brightest folks |
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Fri Apr-29-05 05:11 PM Response to Reply #154 |
162. We ALREADY catch the stupid ones... |
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Fri Apr-29-05 05:21 PM Response to Reply #162 |
165. I'd like to, ME, but what if all that is left is a slug or casing? nt |
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Sun May-01-05 01:26 AM Response to Original message |
176. We don't need gun control. We need bullet control. |
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Mon May-02-05 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
180. This is idiotic. |
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