Some in U.S. get delayed cancer care-studies (Some=Blacks)

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http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N15410289.htm

ORLANDO, Fla., May 15 (Reuters) - Many U.S. cancer patients are getting delayed or substandard care for their disease and are dying earlier as a consequence, according to several studies released on Sunday.

Doctors treating black women with breast cancer, for instance, wait on average three months longer to test them and begin treatment for their cancer than they do for white women, according to one study.

Another study found that about half of patients with stomach cancer had their tumors and surrounding lymph nodes completely removed -- and this varied greatly by region.

And a systematic survey of breast and colon cancer care found many breast and colon cancer patients do not get the full recommended care.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

1. "Some" are first in other areas though..... or so it would seem.....

http://www.garynull.com/Documents/PathologizingAfricanAmericanPt1.htm

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2. Its not race

Its economics. Id bet my left nut that poor white folks are in the same boat as blacks are in these cancer situations. Putting the race spin on it does nothing for it .. It would be more accurate and better served to tell the facts.

[NNN0LHI]

3. And racial profiling is not really being pulled over...

...for driving while black either. It is actually driving while poor. Got another nut you want to wager on that one?

Don

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4. thats debatable

Im sure poor whites get pulled over just as often , driving crappy cars with lights out and licences suspended, but believe what you will. Most cops in big cities are black, so saying they discriminate aganst their own race is less than accurate imo. I will grant you the fact that this does happen, but I believe it is more economic related than race. You can bet a white guy living in a ghetto would be harassed just as often as a black person.

[NNN0LHI]

5. You said "Most cops in big cities are black"

Do you have something to back that statement up or are you saying that because that it fits into your other misconceptions?

Don

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6. nevermind

you have your mind made up .

[loyalsister]

11. First hand experience

I have seen poor white people treated better than poor black people when lobbying the state legislature.
"We don't want to hurt 'people like you'" is a common phrase.

[abb9]

7. Wrong

Ksec,do you live in America? and how old are you?
I hate to tell you this,but you absolutely have no clue about life and the reality in America as a black person,poor or not.
Your statement on this issue makes me laugh.
There are poor whites in this community who will tell you you are totally wrong with your statement about who gets pulled over and who are the cops in this big city of jacksonville Fla.,and even black cops themselves are not immune from racial profiling,or DWB.
Seems like we still have a lot of people in america who are clueless.

[sonicx]

10. "saying they discriminate aganst their own race is less than accurate imo"

You need to take a sociology class.

[KissMyAsscroft]

13. I got pulled over twice a week when I drove an El Camino....

and never get pulled over in my Acura.

[Celebration]

9. it's INSURANCE

Poor folks that have insurance (black or white) get earlier treatment than those without. Those with the BEST insurance get the earliest treatment (surprise surprise).

I am a white female who grew up in a pretty ritzy suburb. My parents were well off, but the depression had a big impact on their lives. So they kept cars about twelve to fifteen years before trading them in--or giving them to their children. I was driving a 12 year old car in my suburb and I got stopped by the cops for ridiculous things-- running a stop sign when I didn't for instance. As soon as they looked at my license they let me go with no ticket. The cops probably use ALL clues, type of car, race, whatever, to try to figure out who doesn't "belong."

I bet Condi gets GREAT medical care.

As an aside, there was a study showing that blacks got less aggressive treatment for heart disease than whites, but lived just as long or longer when that happened. That may say something different about our health care system.

[KissMyAsscroft]

14. Bingo.

You think medical doctors won't take black patients with good insurance?

It's about economics, not race.

But hey, everyone is a victim these days.

[sonicx]

18. Did you read the poster's last paragraph?

I'll take a study over anecdotes anytime.

[KissMyAsscroft]

20. Yes.

nt

[shanti]

16. please

if condi walked into a swanky hospital under an assumed name, she would be a black woman FIRST. racism exists, and has from the get go, in america. any black person will tell you that, as well as stories about being stopped in their benz...DWB.

[KissMyAsscroft]

12. Don't you know the PC police will not allow that suggestion here?

It's never about the logical answer, it's about oppression. Always.:eyes:

[sonicx]

17. And what race of people are disportionately poor?

That's the point.

[KissMyAsscroft]

23. Hispanics, Russians, Indians, Poor white people, etc....

Two points.

1) They will treat anyone with insurance.

2) Doctors are not turning away black patients.

Therefore this article's assumptions are completely false and ignoring a more plausible explanation (economics) in favor of a more juicy explanation, (racism)

It's garbage.

[sonicx]

24. Blacks are disportionately poorer than all of those groups...

The article doesn't say anyone's racist. The purpose of these studies is not to find racism, but to find what groups need better care. Studies on econonics are done too.

[Misunderestimator]

27. Who are those PC police?

The same ones who have to constantly argue against RW tripe bleeding in here like "there is no more racism in this country" or "feminism is ruining the Democratic party"... stuff like that?

Count me in then.

[hecate77]

25. $60,000 for standard chemo for colon cancer. No insurance, no dice

I have a friend who has superior insurance, so he will certainly get the best care possible. Even though he will not pay a penny, and even though the course of chemo is not even univerally recommended for his situation, he will get it without a second thought. Who the hell can afford $60,000 if they don't have that insurance?

In this particular case, the chemo is supposed to improve your chances of non-recurrance from 72% to 83%.

Tell me if our priorities aren't a bit mixed up? This seems like an outrageous cost and waste when so many can't even get the basic care, or even the initial surgery, much less extremely expensive, marginally effective treatment, just because of insurance.

[sweetheart]

8. Blacks are most likely to vote democratic

Kill a liberal, go to xtion heaven. They're not so blatant as the
nazis. They don't do death camps and ovens... rather injections and
lack of treatment. Interrment in prisons, torture and rape are part
of republican christianity.... all part of those values those evil
bottom feeders live off of.

Make no mistake, eugenics is alive and well in the republican party,
and they thrive on their white race superiority... but the world, like
blair, howard (AU) and koizumi are too bone headed stupid to get it...
they'd rather support a racist than stand for justice.

[KissMyAsscroft]

15. So are you saying my white aunt who mostly treats poor blacks is a nazi?

nt

[sonicx]

19. The poster was talking about the Republican Party and their policies...

The title and the references to republicans makes that clear.

[KissMyAsscroft]

21. My aunt is a Republican.

Are you just determined to follow me around and make me explain everything for you at a 4th grade level so you can understand it?

[sonicx]

22. Does she set Republican party policies?

[sweetheart]

26. Your white republican ant

and my mother, voted republican. Mom volunteers at the hospital and
is a very pleasant person in public. Only when she thinks nobody's
looking does the creepy stuff leave her lips.

I was making no comment on your aunt, rather that the republican party
and its supporters are behind institutional racism, repression of women
minorities off all types, gays, disabled persons... and all of this
follows a trend set by the nazi party when in power. A heck of a lotta
germans were nazis... and a heck of a lotta americans are part of
now "neo-nazis" ... same shit, different century.

I've not seen much waxing compassion for the millions of german good
folk, like your aunt, caught in the middle of an ugly racist party and
its objectives... no no... sadly history erases the moderate to recall
only the extreme.

[Misunderestimator]

28. Nice knowin' ya...

have enjoyed your flames immensely... :eyes: :hi:

[Kathy in Cambridge]

29. All I can say is:

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

[Robeson]

30. *Yawn*...

:eyes: :boring:

[Celebration]

31. here is the heart treatment study

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=8427

Blacks who suffer the most common type of cardiac ischemia - non-ST-elevation acute coronary syndrome - are less likely than whites to receive expensive or newer evidence-based treatments, according to a report in a special disparities themed issue of Circulation: Journal of the American Heart Association.


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"Despite these disparities, we did not find any significant difference in short-term outcomes," Sonel said. "The death rate and combined incidence of death and post admission heart attack were about the same between blacks and whites. However, our data were limited to adverse outcomes that occurred prior to discharge, and we do not know the long-term implications of these disparities."

Researchers considered possible reasons for these disparities in treatment, such as patient demographic and clinical characteristics, provider specialty, and a variety of hospital factors. "However, racial differences in treatments persisted even after adjustment for these factors," Sonel said. "Other possible explanations for the observed disparities that were not assessed as part of this study include patient preferences, physician knowledge and attitudes, including the potential for racial bias, and styles of doctor-patient communication."