More Arrests Made in Case of Bizarre Sex Ring

[blitzen]

Any ideas why the national media won't touch this story? (Hint: the perpetrators are right-wing fundies.) It's been front page news down in Louisiana all week.


http://wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=3368964

"We heard there would be more arrests and now detectives in Livingston Parish confirm an alleged sex cult reaches deeper into their parish than anyone thought. Thursday night, detectives arrested the wife of the pastor accused in the sex cult ring, Robbin Lamonica. She is the latest to be arrested in this bizarre sex cult that stretches over several parishes and centers around a church.

Tangipahoa Sheriff's deputies say Lamonica, her husband, and three others were part of the suspected sex cult at Hosanna Church in Ponchatoula, a place where detectives believe people had ritualistic sex with animals and possibly upwards of 20 children."

[emad]

1. WHY? If it ain't in the TV headlines or on the front pages coast to

coast, it doesn't exist, does it?

Just like those 50,000 child sex abuse cases of the late 20th century in the USA.......all a figment of someone's perverted imagination....

[Ripley]

2. Because the Media helps misinform the public about "sex cults"

See, they don't exist in America. :eyes:

And when is the last time you saw the media go into detail of any story that didn't involve a celebrity or a pretty gal?

These guys are ugly shits to the core of their marrow. And they are not an isolated case.

[Pachamama]

16. Yeah, they only exist in places like Belgium or France.....

:eyes:

[leftofthedial]

27. "that didn't involve a celebrity or a pretty girl"

or a Democrat

[cascadiance]

3. Is Allen Pierson a transvestitel?...

The photo there would make it appear that he and Robbin Lamonica are the same person... Did they have another photo there earlier?

[blitzen]

4. yeah, they goofed....

but there are 2 photos on the homepage:

http://wafb.com/

[ausiedownunderground]

45. WOW - Is Sibel Edmonds that attractive - What a "Stunner"!

Why is the US MSM not running with her story? Beautiful interpreter- unlocks 9/11 secrets -nobody believes her-evil "Bush Gang" agents stalk her-she refuses to keep quite and continues the good fight against all the odds- Hollywood can finish the story!!! This story is not unlike the Hollywood one involving Julia Roberts playing the sexy women who took on the Nuclear Power industry and eventually won i think. Except this story is far far more "juicey"!!!

[Mizmoon]

5. Sounds freaky and kind of unlikely

another McMartin Preschool-type case, maybe?

Only time will tell.

[Lochloosa]

6. I think this one may be true.

Earlier reports said the *minister* confessed.

[Mizmoon]

7. dang

Maybe people are weirder than I give them credit for being.

:P

[Minstrel Boy]

8. freaky shit only seems unreal

Unfortunately it's real (there are confessions), and real more often than you think.

[warrens]

9. Three of them have confessed, the first unprompted

It's very likely true.

[Karenina]

10. Well, at LEAST

the chilluns be praying in the schools in them parts. :eyes:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

11. Yes...dear god please don't let pastor choose me tonight

[LostinVA]

20. Question about the confessions

I have any heard of the minister confessing. Do you have a link to the other two?

I totally know sex rings are out there, and tho people who run them are despicable, but I'm just getting some vibes from what the "Man of God" confessed to.

[LostinVA]

18. I agree; I only believe the bare bones of it

I quite honestly believe it's possible the pastor was abusing children, but that's about it. This has McMartin-Little Rascals, etc. written all over it. Too many fantastic details (sex with cats, etc.).

[Minstrel Boy]

22. Believing has nothing to do with it.

It either happened, or it didn't. And there are, regretably, many true cases with "fantastic details," the de rigeur namecheck of "McMartin" notwithstanding.

[LostinVA]

23. Certain statements always cause red flags to go up

And, what the pastor confessed to include these red flags. And Terre is a reason "mcMartin" is used, because NONE of the fantastic allegations were found to be true, but yet they were the whip that caused many innocent people to have their lives ruined. What I'm concerned about is that that may be happening here with SOME of those accused.

That being said, let me reiterate: I believe something inappropriate went on there, definitely with the minister. The one guy also had sex with a minor, although nothing I've read yet has stated it was in conjunction with a sex ring or cult. I'm just skeptical that it is involving all of these adults in a small town, including women. I honestly don't know of a case where these type of allegations have been made and they have been proven to be true. Do sex rings exist? Of course. As do people in power who misuse that power.

People on DU are always quick to discount evidence against Michael Jackson and say he is being railroaded, yet we are doing the same thing here against some of these people who have no evidence against them. All I'm saying is that this has happened so many times, and I'm waiting until all of the evidence is in before I crucify these people. If they are all indeed guilty, then they need to be put away forever.

[Name removed]

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[LostinVA]

46. Well excuse me for having an opinion

Good grief. What the heck is wrong with everyone on here lately? It's okay to have an opinion different from someone else. I haven't yet seen evidence that there is a wide-ranging sex ring, just two or three sick f*cks.

Guess this is a thread to put on ignore.

[LostinVA]

48. There is evidence of rape and child abuse

There is no evidence of a sex ring. I'm betting some innocent people were arrested today.

And, to answer your post further down, the McMartin case was botched by the authorities. Innocent people went to jail for many years.

And, I am also getting really tired of being told on threads my opinion is irrelevant or stupid, or I'm approving child rape because I see a difference between child rape and the existence of a far-flung sex ring. No one knows my personal history and what has happened to em and other family members.

This is a board for discussion, not flaming when someone gives a legitimate opinion. I'm putting this thread on ignore, because this is the third time this has happened to em in two days, and I'm SICK of it.

[Megahurtz]

36. I really wish people would

get off of this "McMartin Preschool" crap.
That case fucked up Child molestation cases in California for years!!!

There was plenty of evidence in that case, it's just that the Authorities screwed it up.
So because of that, they had to throw the case out.

It DOES NOT mean that the McMartin case was fabricated! :think:

Anyone who keeps harping on the McMartin Preschool case needs to get their facts straight before they make assumptions.

[Minstrel Boy]

38. Same for the Presidio.

Lots of evidence, but a botched case. As though it was too sensitive to succeed.

[Art_from_Ark]

44. The "tunnels" part of the McMartin story certainly seems fabricated

http://www.religioustolerance.org/tunnels.htm

[proud2BlibKansan]

52. How about some links or other

proof of what you are saying about the McMartin case? I have followed it very closely ever since it first happened and have seen no credible evidence that there was anything but false accusations.

Again, I am not making assumptions.

[Project_Willow]

56. The United Nations on Ritual Abuse-Torture

From the 48th Commission on the Status of Women, United Nations March, 2004

An Emerging Human Rights Issue and Newly Recognized Form of Torture by "Non-state Actors" for the United Nations (UN)


We recommend ritual abuse-torture be identified as an emerging human rights violation; that ritual abuse-torture be recognized as a newly acknowledged form of torture that is inflicted by non-state actors. From our work and research, ritual abuse-torture is inflicted upon both girls and boys as young as infancy, and women. It involves planned and organized family and group rituals, abuse and torture as well as "off-street" in home, regional, national and transnational trafficking and sexualized exploitation and modern day slavery. Ritual abuse-torture has the capacity to destroy the personality of the infant, toddler, child, youth or adult victim.

http://www.ritualabusetorture.org/un.htm

[proud2BlibKansan]

57. I don't see anything there

that proves the McMartin case was anything but a bunch of false accusations.

[Project_Willow]

60. I'm in contact

with a family involved in that case. I find the denial, although understandable due to the media coverage, just, oh, I don't even have words for it. I am too personally involved to try to "prove" it to anyone at the moment.

I am sure you can imagine what it would be like to go through absolute hell and then have most of the country believe it was all a pack of lies.

At least here are some links:

Executive Summary (tunnel report)
http://www.tesserae.org/tess/prose/tunnels2.html

http://www.geocities.com/kidhistory/mcmartin.htm

http://educate-yourself.org/tg/mcmartinpreschoolrevisited1996.shtml

http://verdade.no.sapo.pt/child/pedophocracy_4.html

The full version of the Archaeological Investigation of the McMartin Preschool Site - Manhattan Beach, California by E. Gary Stickel, PhD is being offered for the first time by the Manhattan Beach Tunnel Project (MPT) and Affirming Children's Truth (ACT). It provides proof that at least some of the children's claims were surprisingly accurate.

The 225 page report includes: background, excavation, and conclusions; The Complete SRS (Scientific Resource Surveys, Inc.) June 14, 1985 report commissioned by the L. A. County District Attorney's Office; over 45 color pictures; an introduction by Roland C. Summit, MD; footnotes, references and glossary; and 7 ancillary appendices by the supporting scientific team.

When ordering, please indicate how many copies you wish to reserve. The final cost will depend on how many books are ordered. Based on 100 copies published, the price would be $35.00 + $5.99 S&H, US. You may send your order to ACT, PO Box 417, Redondo Beach, CA 90277. For more information, you can E-mail ACT at [e-mail].

Please advise your friends and colleagues that this comprehensive professional version of the McMartin tunnel report is now available to the public.

[proud2BlibKansan]

62. Did you read this link?

http://www.religioustolerance.org/tunnels.htm

If you believe these tunnels existed, you are in the minority for sure.

How about the hot air balloon rides? Don't you think some of the neighbors would have seen them? And isn't that a pretty strange way of transporting people?

If you do want to believe the McMartin case was not just false accusations, you also need to refute the original claim that started the whole thing by a mother with a long history of psychiatric problems.

Good luck. You have your work cut out for you.

[Project_Willow]

64. Did you read my post? /nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

65. Every bit of it

[Maddy McCall]

32. Are you from the south?

In the south, it's not genteel to discuss things like molestation. The South lags behind other regions of the US in that many people here feel that molestation is something to be dealt with silently, perhaps to be reported to law enforcement authorities.

For this to have gone this far...investigation-wise and reportage...something had to have happened. My guess is that it's much worse than what the media is reporting. Much worse. Because, as I said before, we Southerners don't talk about that kind of thing.

Now think more about it. One guy's already confessed, and the carpeting in the church has been removed, obviously to test for DNA. A photo album has been removed from a home, obviously because it comtains evidence of the abuse.

I live about 50 miles from where this happened. I know that neck of the woods. It doesn't surprise me one bit that this has been happening.

[carolinayellowdog]

40. In my part of the South "Little Rascals"

is the first thing that comes to mind in reference to cases of this sort. People in Edenton were quite ready to leap into notoriety making accusations that ruined several innocent lives. With a profit motive, it turned out.

Don't know about this case, but northeast NC has certainly experienced the horrors of false accusations of child sex abuse TO THE MAX. Edenton is a beautiful town but I can never go there without shuddering at its horrendous recent history of witchhunting.

[LostinVA]

47. I lived in Greensboro then, so I'll say

"Little Rascals" instead of "McMartin" then. People were destroyed because of total and complete LIES in the NC case.

[Project_Willow]

53. I'm sorry but it seems like a wacko conspiracy

theory to say that hundreds of children and their parents lied and started making all this stuff up. How on earth did they orchestrate that, and for what purpose? To put themselves through the hell of testifying in court, and being ridiculed in public?

And if you're out for money in a civil suit, why not target people who actually have some money, and then why make up all the ritual stuff when sex abuse would work just fine for that scenario.

It doesn't make any sense.

[Minstrel Boy]

54. "the horrors of false accusations of child sex abuse"

Sure.

But how about a moment's thought for the greater horror of child sex abuse?

You can talk all you want about "witchhunting," but you know what? There really are "witches."

[amazona]

42. louisiana is not genteel, abuse widely discussed since the 80s

Child molestation has been very widely discussed in South Louisiana since the mid 1980s. Even priest molestation of children was discussed until Harry Connick Sr. the D.A. at the time in Orleans and a good friend of the Archbishop "lost" evidence into a key investigation. There is plenty of awareness and discussion of abuse, and people who have been abused will tell you that approximately one second after they introduce themselves and tell you their name. South Louisiana is not like Appalachian South or some other areas of the south with a British or Scots-Irish "stiff upper lip" heritage. It is an area where anything and everything is discussed, and usually at the top of one's lungs in the middle of the restaurant or even at WalMart.

That said, I'm satisfied that something went badly wrong in Ponchatoula. But it isn't for lack of abuse awareness and discussion, there is plenty and has been for two decades. These whackjobs knew what they were doing was wrong, and if anyone such as the sheriff's deputy and the church counsellor helped cover up, they were well aware that they acted contrary to law and conscience.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[Maddy McCall]

59. Difference is, Tangi Parish is culturally more piney woods than urbane

More like South Mississippi than New Orleans or Baton Rouge. I've got a LOT of good friends in that area, and never has any one of them told me such "dark" secrets. According to statistics, at least five or six of them were probably molested.

Like I said, I live about fifty miles from Pontchatoula. Tons of very close friends in Amite and Hammond. Molestation isn't a topic they openly discuss. Do they drink? Yes. Smoke a little pot? Of course. Discuss sex with their SOs? In "proper" company. Bring up molestation? Uh-uh.

[amazona]

41. there are confessions

My reaction was the same as yours but with at least two confessions from different men, something damn hinky was going on. This isn't the Ponchatoula I know.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[Ian David]

12. Here's some more:

7 People Now Face Charges In Ponchatoula Sex Abuse Case
New Orleans Channel.com, LA - 26 minutes ago
NEW ORLEANS -- Seven people are now under arrest in connection with a Ponchatoula church sex-abuse case involving children and animals. ...
http://www.theneworleanschannel.com/news/4511493/detail.html


Pastor jailed in child molestation inquiry
Kansas City Star, MO - 8 hours ago
PONCHATOULA, La. — A minister and his followers are suspected of sexually molesting as many as two dozen children — as well ...
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/11690476.htm


Sex education for kids, in Church!
Expressindia.com, India - 8 hours ago
Ponchatoula, May 20: A minister and members of his ‘Cult-like’ following are suspected of sexually molesting as many as two dozen children - as well as ...
http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=47088


Cult-like churchgoers face child-sex charges
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, PA - 11 hours ago
By The Associated Press. PONCHATOULA -- A minister and members of his "cult-like" following are suspected of sexually molesting as ...

Ponchatoula church cult cited in child rape, animal sex case
2theadvocate.com, LA - May 19, 2005
... Investigators believe a splinter group of the Hosanna Church in Ponchatoula formed a cult whose practices included having sex with children and animals from ...
http://2theadvocate.com/stories/051905/new_cult001.shtml


Minister, cop among those accused of church-based sex ring KATC
http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=3366991

[Shallah Kali]

43. A few more article from the local news

http://www.2theadvocate.com/cgi-bin/smart_search/cqcgi/@2advo_stories.env?CQ_LOGIN=&CQ_USER_NAME=guest&CQ_PASSWORD=guest&CQ_DO_QUERY=YES&CQ_EXPANSION_LEVEL=3&CQ_MAX_WILDCARD=1000&CQ_MAX_FUZZY_SPELLING=50&CQ_MAX_DOCS=50&CQ_QUERY_TYPE=smart&CQ_DTF_SIMPLE_RESULTS=YES&CQ_CUR_LIBRARY=2advo_stories&CQ_DOC_MARKUP_STYLE=7&CQ_QUERY_STRING=%22Louis+Lamonica%22

Various articles on yahoo:
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=53720272/K=%22Louis+Lamonica%22/v=2/SID=w/l=NSBD/SIG=1376m8hcd/EXP=1116724863/*-http%3A//news.search.yahoo.com/news/search?p=%22Louis+Lamonica%22&ei=UTF-8&datesort=1

I know they are able to catch all involved and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. This is pure evil. I have no words to express my revulsion for those who torture children especially their own.

[rodeodance]

13. 7 Members of Louisiana Church Charged With Abuse of Children

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/20/national/20louisiana.html?th&emc=th

7 Members of Louisiana Church Charged With Abuse of Children

By ARIEL HART
Published: May 20, 2005

The pastor of a Louisiana church and six of its members, including the pastor's wife and a sheriff's deputy, have been arrested in what the police described as a cult-like sex ring that abused children and animals.

All seven are being held on charges of aggravated rape, including rape of a child younger than 13, which can be prosecuted as a capital crime in the state, the authorities said.

Five other adults were identified yesterday as "persons of interest" at a meeting of seven law enforcement agencies, including the F.B.I., said Deputy Chuck Reed, a spokesman for the Tangipahoa Parish Sheriff's Office.

Deputy Reed said the police wanted to interview as many as 24 children as possible victims in incidents that might date to 1998. ........

[prodigal_green]

14. non-story

puhleeze, there are gays that want to marry out there, don't distract us from the real evil </sarcasm>

[DrDebug]

19. Talk about real evil.

It is interesting to note that the preceding four paraphilias are common among serial killers.

pedophilia: sexual attraction to pre-pubescents
frotteurism: sexual arousal through rubbing one's self against a non- consenting stranger in public
telephone scatologia: being sexually aroused by making obscene telephone calls
zoophilia: sexual attraction to animals, or bestiality

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphilia

That's two out of four.

[prodigal_green]

21. Oh come on...

I'm sure they're also guilty of frotteurism and telephone scatologia too!

[no_to_war_economy]

15. we have to ask ourselves

? who would jesus rape

[funkybutt]

17. Who are the Seven? I see the 3 men + the minister's wife

Who are the other 3?

[0rganism]

24. "bizarre sex ring"? How about "child molestation cabal"?

"Bizarre sex ring" makes it sound like a garden-variety S&M swingers' club.

[Maddy McCall]

34. Well, you have to admit that bestiality is bizarre.

:hi:

[FreedomAngel82]

25. Wow a pastor?!

Wow. Animals and twenty children?! Disgusting!

[FreedomAngel82]

26. This is so disgusting

One guy had sex with a young boy from the age of four to thirteen?!?!?! That's purely child abuse! And a counsler of the church was involved in this?! My God I'm so disgusted! Little infants?? Oh God. Those children are ruined. :cry: Horrific accusation's? I have NO piety on these sick fucks!

[mwb970]

28. Woman Charged In Alleged Church Sex Case

A woman was arrested in Columbus this week in connection with the alleged sexual abuse of children and animals by a "cult-like" group of Louisiana church members, according to police.

At least eight people have been arrested, New Orleans television station WDSU reported.

Investigators said as many as a dozen adults from Hosanna Church in Ponchatoula, La., may have been involved in victimizing as many as 24 children, ranging in age from infants to teens.

Austin Bernard, who authorities said worked with a youth group at the church, was charged in connection with the alleged forcing of a girl under the age of 13 to perform a sex act. Bernard's wife, Nicole, was arrested Thursday in Columbus and charged with aggravated rape, NBC 4's Mike Bowersock reported.

http://www.nbc4i.com/news/4513159/detail.html?treets=col&tid=2652646943813&tml=col_4pm&tmi=col_4pm_1_02500305202005&ts=H

[dogday]

29. I also heard that animals were involved, however---

the news does not state specifically how....

[wakeme2008]

31. sex and mutilation

from one report I read.

[Maddy McCall]

33. Yeah, it did.

The pastor was using animals to teach the children how to have sex. Wrap your mind around that one. :puke:

[leftofcool]

30. "Faith Based" child rape and molestation....eom

[Megahurtz]

37. The mainstream media probably isn't covering this one because:

I mean, after all, these are nice "Christian" Churchgoing people!!!

They would never do a thing like that!!!:eyes:

:sarcasm:

[0007]

39. Egads, I wonder if these people look like human beings?

Anyone has photos? Early reports were that they included animals in their sexual activities.

[DoYouEverWonder]

49. Pastor rounded up in alleged abuse

May 20, 2005

PONCHATOULA, La. (AP) -- The pastor of what authorities called a "cult-like" church has been arrested in an investigation of possible sexual abuse of up to two dozen children.

The pastor's wife, a sheriff's deputy, and five other church members were also arrested on sex charges this week, and all remained in custody without bond Friday.

The alleged victims ranged in age from infants to teens, officials said. Animal abuse was also alleged.

The roundup came after a woman called sheriff's deputies five weeks ago from Columbus, Ohio, to say that she had fled Louisiana out of fear for her child, authorities said. She and her husband were among those arrested.

On Monday, Hosanna Church pastor Louis Lamonica walked into the Livingston Parish sheriff's office and began talking about the alleged crimes and naming others, authorities said. As many as a dozen adults, including some parents, may have been involved, the officials said.

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CHURCH_SEX_ABUSE?SITE=FLPET&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2005-05-20-16-24-06

Why is always the xians that are the child molesters and perverts?

[wakeme2008]

50. I searched but could not find anything

BUT I would bet money this was a get out the vote for Bush church.

[MrScorpio]

51. You've gotta be fucking kidding me

These fuckers are so Sick!

[daleo]

55. If Runaway Bride is news, this ought to be huge.

You can bet if an association of atheists had done this it would be round the clock news.

[sleipnir]

58. Scary indeed.

This shit is just....uhhgghhhh.....scary.

[blitzen]

61. UPDATE, with photos of 8 arrested churchgoers

http://wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=3373580

[blitzen]

63. now they're trying to blame it on the Devil!

http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/052105/new_cult001.shtml

Tangipahoa Parish Sheriff Daniel Edwards said Friday that members of a Ponchatoula church cult accused of sexually abusing children and animals told detectives they carried out the practices for years as part of a devil-worshipping ritual involving cat blood.

"This is hard to talk about and harder to believe, but some of the suspects have told us their intention in all of this was devil worshipping," Edwards said.

[Nothing Without Hope]

66. I suspect there is a LOT of sexual perversion among the neocons and

the extremist whacko fundies. These people are seriously disturbed and incapable of a healthy relationship with another human being OR an animal.

Part of the reason is that is so useful for entrapment for blackmail, used to coerce support and guarantee "loyalty" to the cartel.

[frustrated_lefty]

67. I won't say

if I agree or disagree with your suspicions. Casting blanket accusations, though, tends to be counter-productive.

Some of the fundies really believe what they spout. Some, maybe even most, are hypocrtical assholes. I would suggest leaving breathing room for the people who have strong beliefs and are strong about them.

I don't get it. But just calling them names won't help.

I almost wish I was gay, just so I could tap into people's heads and try to make them get it.

There is no cartel, there are people. They were gay, so what?

Sex trade with minors, though, is sick. The perpetrators should be shot. Screw "why," just execute them. Everyone who knows me is convinced I was molested as a child. I don't have the memory, but I say with no doubt at all, fry any person who molests a child and I don't give a shit what the reason was. Child molestation is the one thing you NEVER do. I hope these fuckers hurt when they die.

[undergroundpanther]

68. Strong beliefs

If a persons "strong beliefs" are all about how good god is for punishing and torturing people forever,if you believe in original sin and think that is righteous,and you think it's OK to make some people second class citizens,that it's OK to abuse or dehumanize people ,because they are different and do not believe what you believe and that you the believer accepts this kind of gross injustice, than that belief is sick. If you are "strongly sick, all it means is you are a menace to humanity with your sick beliefs.

You can believe whatever you want yes,but you are responsible for it,and how you apply it in your relations with others,As a believer you are not immune from critics,rejection of your beliefs,discrediting of your beliefs however dear you think they are,you are not immune from your actions and words that hurt people just because you believe You cannot eliminate unbelievers, or use manipulation of the law to hold yourself above reproach for your beliefs when you act like a jerk and invite social rejection because of what you believe so"strongly".Just because you strongly believe something and everyone around you thinks it's right,does NOT mean that it is. You could be doing evil to others by pushing your "faith" ..It's still evil when your faith excuses evil and calls it good.
Strongly believing evil is good does not make it good~ ever.

[Tigress DEM]

69. To protect the reputations of innocent puppies?