Front Page MSM:MSNBC:"Rangel: Investigate whether Bush Intentionally..."

[berni_mccoy]

Finally, some FRONT PAGE COVERAGE!!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8248236/

"Rangel: Investigate whether Bush intentionally misled U.S. for war
Democrat wants information in wake of British memos saying Iraq invasion was president’s goal"

"Congress should conduct an official inquiry to determine whether President Bush intentionally misled the nation about the reasons for toppling Saddam Hussein, a senior House Democrat suggested Thursday."

""Quite frankly, evidence that appears to be building up points to whether or not the president has deliberately misled Congress to make the most important decision a president has to make, going to war," said Rangel, senior Democrat on the House Ways and Means Committee."

[lakeguy]

1. vote on whether * lied us into war or not!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8248969

[Erika]

3. done n/t

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

10. 94% voted "YES"...

...with 18,091 votes in at 2:37 am cst.

[kanrok]

22. Now more votes:

Live Vote
Do you believe President Bush misled the nation in order to go to war with Iraq? * 23048 responses


Yes
94%

No
6%

[gumby]

2. See how this works?

The MSM wants a food fight. The Conyers hearing doesn't qualify. They want a face who will provide ratings.

Rangel is a good media spokesperson.

[Erika]

4. I love Rangel

He is great! Very close to Wellstone.

[Ishoutandscream2]

31. Ditto. I have this fantasy of Charlie being my wise father

(seeing that my real "father" was just a sperm donor).

Charlie is truly a great American.

[puerco-bellies]

5. Holy Crap 97% lied.. n/t

[berni_mccoy]

6. Impeachment is ALL BUT A FORMALITY NOW

Bush Should RESIGN!

[wallwriter]

28. Beware Politics vs. Facts

No impeachment with a Republican Congress

[mountainvue]

34. Their approval rating is down to 33%.

They'll come around. In fact, they're already starting to.

[lakeguy]

7. Vote on it! down to 94 to 6...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8248969/

[tammywammy]

17. Done

Still at 94%/6%

[psychopomp]

8. Wow!

The fire is heating up!

[lumpy]

9. Great poll. Join the 94%

x

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

11. I don't even think...

... the freepers will try to freep this one, it is too far gone. :rofl:

[LightningFlash]

12. You slay by the sword.....

You die by the sword. Answer our questions NOW Bush, you and all of your cult members!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Your accountability day, Cheney's accountability day, has arrived.

:thumbsdown:

[NightOwwl]

13. Can you spell...

I-M-P-E-A-C-H

[fooj]

14. I've been watching Rangel for years...

his heart was, indeed, heavy! You could see it in his face. IMO, he has never looked so somber!

peace.

[rodeodance]

15. good--this isan AP story--should get wide coverage (I hope)

The Associated Press
Updated: 7:13 p.m. ET June 16, 2005

WASHINGTON - Congress should conduct an official inquiry to determine whether President Bush intentionally misled the nation about the reasons for toppling Saddam Hussein, a senior House Democrat suggested Thursday.

New York Rep. Charles Rangel was among Democratic House members who participated in a forum to air demands that the White House provide more information about what led to the decision to go to war in Iraq.

[rodeodance]

16. also good to seem the press quoting others than Conyers--we need

all of Congress (realize we will not get most repugs).

[rodeodance]

20. "It used to be said that democracies were difficult to mobilize for war"

I like what Wilson said.

......In the opening hours of the forum, witnesses spoke mainly about their views on the decision to go to war and not the memo, which the Bush administration has dismissed.

"We are having this discussion today because we failed to have it three years ago when we went to war," former Ambassador Joseph Wilson said.

"It used to be said that democracies were difficult to mobilize for war precisely because of the debate required," Wilson said, going on to say the lack of debate in this case allowed the war to happen.......

[calimary]

37. NOW we need to start badgering James Sensenbrenner - who chairs

the House Judiciary Committee. Let him start collecting a nice long string of sleepless nights. Hound his congressional office demanding impeachment proceedings, and investigations. YES he's a republi-CON. But he's also up for reelection next year. So he's still beholden to the voters.

It was the Republicans, once upon a time, who finally tipped the scales against Nixon. Don't ever forget that.

If the polls keep going this way, and we stay strong, and the Downing Street Minutes keep gathering momentum, and more mothers of lost soldiers keep speaking out and demanding bush's impeachment, it will NOT be an exercise in futility.

Monday Morning - start houding Sensenbrenner. Sleepless nights ahead for you, pal. Better start stocking up on Rolaids...

[Supersedeas]

18. I voted!!

[Dervill Crow]

19. Absolutely awesome. Poll is holding at 94%.

Does that mean America is waking up?

[doodadem]

23. Looks like they're freezing the poll

It was at 94% when I voted yesterday.

I haven't seen anything at all about what happened at the White House when Conyers delivered the signatures. Anyone?

[Boo Boo]

25. Seems alright to me

The vote count is still increasing so, in spite of the never-changing split in percentage, it appears the thing is still working. The count is going up pretty fast; in the time it took to read a couple posts on this thread and type this message it went up by 100.

[tk2kewl]

21. short lived

I can find it on the front page now

[ElsewheresDaughter]

24. 94% yes....6& no

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8248969/

Do you believe President Bush misled the nation in order to go to war with Iraq? * 23251 responses


Yes
94%

No
6%

[Boo Boo]

26. 93/7 @23,724 /nt

[unblock]

27. "the most important decision a president has to make, going to war"

um, begging to differ, but the constitution specifies this as the exclusive province of congress, not the president.

the president prosecutes the war, but does NOT make the decision to engage it.

[are_we_united_yet]

29. Hmmm...

<snip>

(c) The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.

CONSULTATION

SEC. 3. The President in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into situation where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and after every such introduction shall consult regularly with the Congress until United States Armed Forces are no longer engaged in hostilities or have been removed from such situations.

<snip>

[unblock]

32. ah, yes, the much abused and dubiously constitutional war powers act

the constitution trumps the war powers act.

and even under the section you cite, congress still reserved for itself the power to declare war. the president merely has the power to "introduce ... armed forces", which is not necessarily the same thing.

in the case or iraq, in particular, where the introduction of forces was preceded by much congressional deliberation and a virtual, if not explicit, declaration of war, my point stands.

[are_we_united_yet]

33. Hey, I didn't write it.

And as you know, the President can engage Armed forces in a conflict prior to a declaration of War. Indeed that is a criticism that has come out with the DSM ruckus. Namely, the conflict was escalated in order to draw Iraq into a second Gulf War.

I'm also more than willing to give the fair share of blame to the Republican controlled Congress.

[jazzjunkysue]

30. 36,000+ 94 to 6

This is fun.
:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:
:toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast::toast:

[halobeam]

35. Look at the recent vote results here:

for "Did Bush lie to get us into war?"

Do you believe President Bush misled the nation in order to go to war with Iraq? * 37488 responses


Yes
94%

No
6%

[not fooled]

36. IMPEACHIMP

NOW!!!!!!!!!

[Carolab]

38. Voted YES. n/t