Sharpton plans to join Peace Mom Cindy Sheehan

[DoYouEverWonder]

August 25, 2005, 6:23 PM EDT

Rev. Al Sharpton plans to join peace activist Cindy Sheehan, known as the Peace Mom, on Sunday near President Bush's Texas ranch.

Sharpton's office said Thursday he would participate in a prayer vigil Sunday with Sheehan in Crawford, Texas. Sheehan returned on Wednesday to Camp Casey, named after her 24-year-old son, Army Spc.

Casey Sheehan, who was killed last year in Iraq.

Sheehan began her vigil on the road leading to Bush's ranch Aug.

http://www.nynewsday.com/news/nyc-sharp0825,0,2937192.story?coll=nyc-homepage-breakingheadlines

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

1. Sharpton is a lowlife political opportunist

He's got a lot more in common with Rove than with Cindy Sheehan.

I wish he'd stay in NY.

Am I the only one who remembers his role in the fake abuse claims of Tawana Brawley (sp?).

[DoYouEverWonder]

3. I have mixed feelings about this

I wonder whose funding his travel expenses?

[DURHAM D]

8. Bad idea - great opportunity for msm to make a joke

out of the whole vigil. The only thing I can think of to do is ask Joe Wilson to go on Saturday.

[jayfish]

67. I Confused.

It was my impression during the primaries that Sharpton was taken quite seriously by most "mainstream" news organizations. Sure they asked him some really difficult questions about his past and kept him off point, but I wasn't hearing a lot of jokes. Look at NBC for example. He got the full Hardball and MTP spotlight and both shows did a relatively good job in their presentation. You watched Morten Downey Jr. too many times in the 80's.

Jay

[CityDem]

111. This is not good

I bet Rove arranged this to distract the media from Cindy's message.

[Toots]

130. This is very good

Very few Blacks are involved in this particular struggle and Sharpton will change that dramatically. You may not like him and think bad thought about him but most blacks like and admire him very much. He has a way with words that cut to the quick. This is a huge plus for our side and I only wonder what took so long. I wish Jessie jackson would put in an appearance as well. It makes all the right wing echo chamber voice their rascist attitudes.

[classysassy]

133. The message or the messanger?

its the message not the messanger.

[LeighAnn]

115. No, No, GOOD GOOD GOOD

I was afraid there would be a media blackout this weekend, but this will just add to the coverage. Plus, everyone loves the Rev. Al.

[hlthe2b]

58. Mixed feelings too...

He is such a lightening rod for the media/RW, perhaps he can deflect some of the nastiness away from Cindy?

On the other hand, while Al is one of the best "talkers" I've heard, I worry that he may totally deflect attention away from Cindy and the cause at hand... Guess we'll have to see and hope for the best. Sharpton has his pluses, but I am conflicted.

[Liberal Dose]

83. Probably Roger Stone. Stone helped raise funds for Sharpton's campaign

Roger Stone, a millionaire political consultant who began his career as a 19-year-old Watergate dirty trickster, virtually took over the Sharpton campaign in the last quarter of 2003, according to reports in the New York Times (January 25), Salon.com (”A GOP Trickster Rents Sharpton,” February 3) and New York’s Village Voice (“Sleeping with the GOP,” February 3). Stone and Sharpton were introduced two years ago by Donald Trump, the celebrity millionaire, said the Times. Stone brought in Charles Halloran to replace Sharpton campaign manager Frank Watkins, a longtime advisor to the Jesse Jacksons, Junior and Senior, who resigned in late September. (In the Village Voice article, Sharpton says Watkins was fired.) Halloran previously managed the New York gubernatorial campaign of far-right billionaire Tom Golisano, on the Independence Party line. He also managed a mostly white, conservative party’s attempt to unseat the first Black-led government of Bermuda.

Stone provides “ideas and direction, while Mr. Halloran…does the front-line work,” said the Times. “In the attacks on Dr. Dean, Mr. Stone helped set the tone and direction while Mr. Halloran did the research. Mr. Halloran came up with Dr. Dean's hiring record as governor, for example, aides to Mr. Sharpton said.”

Another rightwing purported Sharpton crony, Tucker Carlson of CNN’s “Crossfire,” said Stone and Sharpton are both motivated by a “disdain for white liberals.”

http://www.blackcommentator.com/76/76_cover_sharpton.html

Sharpton needs to stay the HELL away from Camp Casey!!!

[Lori Price CLG]

120. 'Sharpton needs to stay the HELL away from Camp Casey!!!' --Yes, ...

since he is only there to discredit it. Somehow, he will generate unfavorable publicity toward Democrats and the anti-war movement.

Lori Price

[Spinzonner]

6. If you want to start a mass movement

you need to form a coalition with people who don't necessarily share all you values or whose personalities you don't necessarily enjoy.

The goal is the important thing.

[CatWoman]

22. Oh, get a fucking grip

[donheld]

33. Exactly

How long do we harp on these things? Sharpton's been a good fighter for what is right. Some, i guess, never forget mis-steps.

[Liberal Dose]

86. Were you in a coma during the primaries? Try reading a bit about Sharpton

in bed with the GOP.

[Just Me]

101. Yeah, whatever. I think Sharpton is FANTASTIC!!!

He hits reality square on with great humor!!! He's impactful!

I LOVE HIM!!!

[Liberal Dose]

127. "Yeah, whatever" is what the Bushbots say just because their

fearless leader says what they want to hear. Bushbots refuse to accept any negative FACTS presented to them. Sharpton is up to no good, no matter how talented he is at saying what you want to hear.

[howmad1]

118. Really!

Tell you what: Get a copy of the transcript of the speech Al Sharpton gave at the Democratic Convention. Then compare that speech to the speeches given by the rest of the wimps, including Kerry. Then tell me who was in bed with the GOP. Sharpton had 3000 frustrated conventioneers on their feet because he was the only speaker who ripped into the bush and the rethuglican party. The best the rest of the dems could come up with was "reporting for duty" or some wimp crap like that. Did ya ever watch him tear apart any right wing rethuglican whacko on any talking head show? He kills them!
I sure wish some democrats were "in bed with the GOP" like Al Sharpton.

[Liberal Dose]

126. Anybody can talk the talk. Sharpton is going to Camp Casey at the behest

of the some of the worst GOP tricksters around. I'm amazed at how many of you are okay with this.

[WhiteTara]

122. I don't know about that but`

he was "married" by Moon in a mass marriage. To me that says something about him. However, I do like his rhetoric. He can really speak. To bad no one takes him seriously.

[jayfish]

60. Yup, Yer The Only One.

:eyes: Why don't you go ahead and remind everyone about the whole dastardly situation. Make sure you include his ludicrous explanation. You know "he believed her", "he was her advocate". ...all that whacked out shit. I'll grab a :puke: bag.

Jay

[Chovexani]

69. No, but I remember when his lawyer helped me

When my private school was systematically discrimating against myself and other minority students.

Jesus H. Christ, Tawana Brawley happened like 20 years ago. Get the fuck over it.

[brentspeak]

88. A lot of good people were ruined by it

Why Sharpton wasn't jailed for role in the Tawana Brawley smear is still a mystery.

[journalist3072]

103. Let's be fair here...

It was always my understanding (maybe I'm wrong) that he believed her story, and that's why he backed her. It wasn't some grand scheme between Sharpton and Brawley to lie, I don't believe.

Anyway, I really don't think Sharpton is a political opportunist. I think he is someone who cares deeply about the issues affecting the African-American community. He has been a true fighter for us. I have enormous respect for him.

[Lori Price CLG]

117. Exactamundo!! He is funded by Roger Stone, who funded the 'Brooks

Brothers' Miami rioters, to stop the Miami-Dade recount in November 2000. Since then, he has torched most anti-Bush efforts, subtly.

Lori Price

[Desertrose]

2. Good for Sharpton....

Rev Al tells it like it is...this should make things ( even more) interesting!

[Ian David]

14. blink blink

[bee]

124. roflmfao

Thank you for posting this photo...
Ive been laughing for 10 minutes.
:rofl:

[MaggieSwanson]

4. I always liked that Rev. Sharpton...

Remember back in the primaries when he said something like "If it was wrong to GO in, it's wrong to STAY in"?

And compared the war scenario to waking up while your house is being burglarized - why call the cops? The burglars are already in: they need to stay and finish the job.

He livened up the primaries and I love to hear him speak. I'm so glad he's giving his support.

[BayCityProgressive]

7. Bad news

Most Americans think he is a joke and this is just gonna make things look like a circus.

[Tyranny_R_US]

23. Say BayCityRegressive where did you pull that from?

I'll tell you this american is proud that Mr. Sharpton is joining this cauuse hopefully his presence will draw more african americans to crawford.

[anotherdrew]

49. Sharpton will be great, but I still worry about that Roger Stone deal

is Roger Stone racist do you think?

[Roy]

27. You've spoke to most Americans??????

Tell them I said Hi!!!!

[Vox_Reason]

9. Sharpton is an unbelievable orator--with mucho baggage.

I'm certainly ambivalent about his attendance. I'm sure he'll pack his usual oratory wallop--but he's a walking minefield full of lightning rods, too.

Sharpton, Obama, and the Big Dawg had the most electrifying speeches at the DNC last year, IMHO...

My one piece of advice for the reverend--please keep your visit focused on Cindy and her issues--not about yours. PLEASE.

[bribri16]

11. Right now he has no more "baggage" than Bush.

His issues are Cindy's issues. He was against this war from the beginning and is not a "johnny-come-lately" to the peace movement. We are beginning to practice the same kind of bigotry and hypocrisy that they do when we want to regulate who can and who cannot support Cindy.

[rodeodance]

17. it is his baggage that causes the problems.

[speedoo]

40. One piece of baggage he does not have...

He was not an accomplice in starting this fucking war.

Which is more than can be said of most democrats.

[Eloriel]

52. AMEN!!! n/t

[CatWoman]

61. I want to kiss you for that, Speedo!!

:*

[hlthe2b]

64. Very true....

[Chovexani]

72. You got that right!!

The knee jerk asshattery that happens around here whenever someone so much as whispers Rev. Al's name makes me wonder sometimes.

[Ian David]

15. Yes, Sharpton is a great entertainer. He's the Black Andrew Dice Clay.

And I have to admit that I enjoy watching him.

It's a guilty pleasure.

[Agnomen]

5. What took him so long?

Sharpton usually jumps on any bandwagon which may get him some tv exposure within 72 hours. I really, really wish this buffoon stays away, but no such hope - increasing media coverage makes it too tempting for him to resist the opportunity to have some tv face time.

[Skink]

10. I'm waiting for Clinton to show up...

[anotherdrew]

76. Clinton won't say shit against the war - why? I'd like to know

Bill Clinton Defends Bush on Iraq
August 1, 2003
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=9191
---
President George W. Bush, under siege for "misleading" the country into war against Iraq, received some help from an unusual source -- former President Bill Clinton.

"When I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for ... it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks ..." said Clinton recently on "Larry King Live." Also, Clinton said he never found out whether a U.S.-British bombing campaign he ordered in 1998 ended Saddam's stockpiles of or his capability of producing chemical and biological weapons. "We might have gotten it all, we might have gotten half of it, we might have gotten none of it. But we didn't know," said Clinton
==========================

Why he left Iraq sit for Bush... Almost like he knew that Iraq would be for bush to deal with. I seriously think sometimes clinton and bush are both on the same team.

[Ian David]

12. I'm not a big fan of Sharpton. I'd rather he stay home.

We all know he's going to use both "I-Words" when he gets there.

Does anyone think we should suggest to Cindy that she might want to kick him to the curb the way she did with the Socialists when they tried to join her?

Of course, it's her camp, and her call.

Personally, if it were me, I'd have a talk with Sharpton and plead with him to stay "on message" if he's gonna open his fat ugly mouth.

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[Eloriel]

56. stick around, you'll see much more of it here at DU, I'm afraid

Racism, sexism, homophobia -- we got it all.

[Ian David]

116. If I start going into detail, two things will happen

1) It'll start a flamewar. People familiar with Al Sharpton seem to have their opinions "set in stone."

Nobody will change my opinion, and I won't try to change anyone else's. Nothing good ever comes of arguing about Sharpton.

Which is directly related to the fact that Sharpton thrives on discord and spreading the sort of divisiveness that arises even from discussing Al Sharpton.

2) The thread will eventually be moved into "The Dungeon" if we start arguing about whether Sharpton's rantings are valid or not. I refuse to get into that debate, too.

The color of the man's skin has nothing to do with it.

I happen to be volunteering for an African American man running for mayor of my city, just as an example. And I hate playing the, "Here is proof I'm not Racist Card." I would hope I would be taken at my word.

Al Sharpton, in any color of the rainbow, is still a despicable human being and a waste of Oxygen.

I apologize if it appeared my feelings about him were tinged with a hint of racism.

In any case, for the above reasons, I'm not going to get sucked into a debate on the subject.

Either someone else can fill you in, or you can spend a few minutes googleing him.

[anotherdrew]

80. I'm dumb, what are the "I words" ?

[sattahipdeep]

13. 77 senators....

When will the 77 senators that made this all possible join Cindy?

[nothometoday]

16. I have not even started reading responses........BUT

If *I were Cindy, I would NOT want this guy there. He uses what ever the cause of the day is to advance his OWN agenda....I think, He is BAD news.
Never liked him Never will.

[Eloriel]

59. I hope all of you who are saying this realize that it is THE favorite RW

talking point on Sharpton.

Does it make you happy to reinforce their racist attitudes, help them ramp up those wedge issues, and sow divisiveness?

Did you guys all sleep thru the primary season? I SURELY would've thought Sharpton would have rehabilitated himself by his various performances during those months?

[Chovexani]

73. *His* agenda is *our* agenda

WTF is wrong with DU?

[Liberal Dose]

95. Sorry, but *MY* agenda is NOT to be a tool for the GOP.

[Q]

18. I have to wonder how many...

...of these responses reflect prejudice in disguise?

Sharpton has as much right as any other person or politician to show up in support of Cindy's cause. If Cindy doesn't want him there...I can't see her being too shy to tell him so.

What's sad is that most Democratic 'representatives' are nowhere to be found. Perhaps they're too busy polishing Bush's hobnail boots?

[durablend]

19. It's likely NOT prejudice

You know DAMN WELL the repukes are going to jump all over this, and the results are not going to be good (for us)

[Roy]

29. Name one thing

Anything that the repukes won't jump all over.


crickets??????

[CatWoman]

37. *birds chirping*

[DoYouEverWonder]

45. It all depends on Sharpton's motives

but I don't trust anyone black or white who employees people like Roger Stone.

[Tyranny_R_US]

43. Oh No! Our repuke overlords are going to be angry...

Big freaking deal get over yourself!

[CatWoman]

24. thank you, Q

[DoYouEverWonder]

25. If that's what you want to call it

I just have a major problem with so-called Dems who hire Repug operatives like Roger Stone to help operate their political campaigns.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

34. Wow, it took this long to play the race card!

I expected it within five minutes of my posting.

Sharpton is just a rabble rousing political opportunist.

That is an EEOC approved career choice, no colors or creeds are prohibited from making that choice.

He and his ilk have a lot in common with George Wallace and David Duke, same tactics just opposite colors and ends of the political spectrum.

Now, please call me prejudiced some more, if it makes you feel better.

[donheld]

36. If he were white

this would have long ago been forgotten, maybe even forgiven.

[Tyranny_R_US]

39. Right on Q

I've never seen so much raw unexplained anger and racism from some people in this thread you would think this was freerepublic.

[hlthe2b]

63. I don't think so...

I'd have the same concerns if Jane Fonda showed up (or any of a number of high profile, but somewhat controversial figures). I respect both, but am worried that high profile people like this or those who are natural lightening rods for the "RW" will deflect attention away from Cindy's issues at hand.

Having said that, I will watch with interest....

[JohnLocke]

110. Oh, give me a break.

Sharpton is a poltical opportunist and anti-Semite. Saying so is not "prejudice in disguise."

[mcscajun]

20. Oh, please, No! Let him stay home.

He's just glomming onto the 'cause of the moment' like the limelight-seeking opportunist he is.

:grr:

[Tyranny_R_US]

53. You could say the same about person with clout who showed support for her.

[mcscajun]

102. You could...I'd take it on a case-by-case basis.

:think:

[Skip Intro]

21. RW critics would have to attack a preacher for praying on Sunday.

At first I thought not good news, but, its a Prayer vigil, on a Sunday, and he's a Preacher.


If they were foolish enough to attack Sharpton for this, we'd immediately yell about them attacking religion, and religious freedoms.

It might be a smart move.

It'll definitely get press.

[librechik]

26. Exactly--Al is the best rhetoritician we have--I'm glad for his presence

Let him take on those PR phonies on the other side while Cindy remains above the fray. He has the chops to handle their snake oil.

Good on you AL!

Besides, if the whitey Righties take him on, they will only reveal ALL their bigotries. What a great show! Wish I could be there...

I think Randi will be there Sunday. She said she wouldn't lower herself to take on Melanie in a debate.

Let Al do it! He's the best!

[DoYouEverWonder]

28. I'm sure Cindy will be able to handle him

She just needs to go into the situation with her eyes open and understand that Sharpton needs to be taken with a large grain of salt.

[Tyranny_R_US]

47. You're speaking as if hes on the opositions side

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE HE JUST WANTS TO OFFER SUPPORT FOR HER!

I'm sure if Jerry Falwell had a change of heart and decided to join her I wouldnt read any 'itching and moaning in fact he would be welcomed with roses and cheers. God I didnt know america still had its head up its ass when it comes to race.

[DoYouEverWonder]

51. Sharpton is a political opportunist

this is not just about supporting someone. If Al was so anti-war I sure there are many ways he could show his support without being a distraction.

Maxine Waters came and went a few weeks ago and no one hardly noticed.

[Tyranny_R_US]

57. Actually there was a big thread about her and it was on the news

:shrug:

[anotherdrew]

30. Sharpton should be sent packing after teaming up with that repug slime

anyone remember that?

[DoYouEverWonder]

31. Yep, Roger Stone

the same guy who helped run the Miami Riot and the CBS memo forgeries.

[anotherdrew]

44. background on Sharpton and Stone

from:
http://www.blackcommentator.com/76/76_cover_sharpton.html

...the tale will resonate somewhat differently among African Americans. Sharpton comes across as a hapless stooge of the worst elements of the GOP.

Roger Stone, a millionaire political consultant who began his career as a 19-year-old Watergate dirty trickster, virtually took over the Sharpton campaign in the last quarter of 2003, according to reports in the New York Times (January 25), Salon.com (”A GOP Trickster Rents Sharpton,” February 3) and New York’s Village Voice (“Sleeping with the GOP,” February 3).

Stone brought in Charles Halloran to replace Sharpton campaign manager Frank Watkins, a longtime advisor to the Jesse Jacksons, Junior and Senior, who resigned in late September. (In the Village Voice article, Sharpton says Watkins was fired.) Halloran previously managed the New York gubernatorial campaign of far-right billionaire Tom Golisano, on the Independence Party line. He also managed a mostly white, conservative party’s attempt to unseat the first Black-led government of Bermuda.

Another rightwing purported Sharpton crony, Tucker Carlson of CNN’s “Crossfire,” said Stone and Sharpton are both motivated by a “disdain for white liberals.”

Joe Conason, of Salon.com, contends that Sharpton is a menace to the Democratic Party. “Stone certainly serves the Republican party by sustaining and promoting Sharpton,” wrote Conason. “The Democratic Party, whose institutions and candidates has consistently undermined for many years, is merely a convenient vehicle for his advancement.”

As the primary votes were being counted on Tuesday night, crack investigative reporter Wayne Barrett’s bomb exploded in the Village Voice, a devastating document-of-no-return for Al Sharpton. Barrett and his team describe what amounts to a lock, stock and barrel takeover of the Sharpton apparatus by Stone and the “half-dozen incongruous top aides who've worked for him in prior campaigns.” The Republican consultant also appears to have absorbed Sharpton’s Harlem-based National Action Network (NAN). “The combination of the unpaid or underpaid services of Stone, Halloran, Baynard, Archer, et al., together with the NAN subsidies, paint a picture of a Sharpton operation that is utterly dependent on his new ally Stone, whose own sponsors are as unclear as ever,” said the Voice.

Possibly most disturbing of all is Stone’s role in securing federal matching funds for the campaign. To qualify for matching dollars, candidates must first raise $100,000 – $5,000 from each of 20 states. Each individual contribution must be of no more than $250. The combined resources of the Sharpton campaign and NAN (“A shell,” according to an aide imported by Stone) either could not or would not assemble the necessary 400-plus contributors grouped by state, to meet the federal threshold. Stone stepped in, filling the gaps with small checks from relatives, lobbyist friends and assorted denizens of the Right.

Did Sharpton really need a Republican organization to do that? Was a household name incapable of finding 20 people in 20 states with $250? Or does he instinctively opt for the quick fix or favor?

Stone has “loaned” Sharpton at least $270,000, and the candidate has made frequent use of Stone’s credit card, according to the Voice story. NAN funds have been hopelessly commingled with campaign monies – a potential legal disaster.

...read more at link
http://www.blackcommentator.com/76/76_cover_sharpton.html

[RSchewe]

97. Great article! I learned a lot from it. I still think it is not a bad...

thing for Sharpton to go to Crawford. It is not like there are ANY Dems showing up or supporting except for some members of the Congressional Black Caucus.

Hey Hillary, Kerry, Kennedy, Harkin, Boxer, Obama, Kucinich, anyone? Will you support ending this war or you all using the same gameplan as Bush? They don't have to go to Crawford to support Cindy Sheehan but would they at least oppose Bush's Iraq policy?

Watch... Bush is going to "cut and run" and laugh all the way to the bank.

[Lori Price CLG]

119. More info on Reichwing whackjob (and Sharpton backer) Roger Stone:

Roger J. Stone, Jr. is a long-time Republican dirty-tricks operative who led the mob that shut down the Miami-Dade County recount and helped make George W. Bush president in 2000. He was also a campaign strategist during the presidential campaigns of Presidents Nixon, Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush. He is the chairman of the Fort Hill Group, a Washington, D.C.-based public affairs firm.

Stone was also a strategist for the 1981 and 1985 campaigns for governor of New Jersey by Thomas H. Kean, who was later appointed by President Bush to chair the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9-11 Commission). (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/8479060.htm)

During the 2004 presidential primary, Stone served as a behind-the-scenes consultant to black firebrand Al Sharpton's campaign to win the Democratic Party nomination, prompting speculation that Sharpton's campaign was actually a stealth operation to weaken the party's chances of winning in the general election. Writing in the Village Voice, Wayne Barrett noted that Stone was "financing, staffing, and orchestrating the presidential campaign of Reverend Al Sharpton. ... Sharpton has a little-noticed history of Republican machinations inconsistent with his fiery rhetoric. ... ny Sharpton-connected outrage against the party could either lower black turnout in several key close states, or move votes to Bush." (http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0405/barrett.php)

The New York Times has also reported on the strange-bedfellows relationship between Stone and Sharpton, noting that Stone was behind several of Sharpton's most visible campaign tactics, including scrutiny of primary candidate Howard Dean's record of minority appointees when he was governor of Vermont. (http://www.mail-archive.com/[e-mail]/msg85212.html)

In September 2004, rumors circulated that Stone was the original source of apparently forged documents related to the National Guard service of U.S. President George W. Bush. Stone denied the charge. "I have nothing whatsoever to do with this," he said. "I'm a firm believer in political hardball, but I draw the line at forged documents." (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-09-21-cbs-parties_x.htm)

See webpage for links/sources:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/wiki.phtml?title=Roger_J._Stone,_Jr.

Lori Price

[Liberal Dose]

128. Thank you. This needs to be repeated until it finally sinks in. Be careful

though, you may be called a racist for telling the truth. Sorta like how Bushbots call us unpatriotic for pointing out what a ginormous fuckup he is.

[Tyranny_R_US]

42. Hey Clinton teamed up with GHWB Sr. but I doubt that matters.

Some just want to let all of their bottled up racism and rage against african americans in this thread .

[anotherdrew]

46. Many don't care for Clinton's nicey-nicey with bush either

"Some just want to let all of their bottled up racism and rage against african americans in this thread ."

Please - that is just bullshit. "bottled up racism and rage" I doubt there are any racists on this site. Or do you just call everyone racist?

[Tyranny_R_US]

48. "I doubt there are any racists on this site"

The responses in this thread says otherwise.

[Eloriel]

62. Oh, no. There is PLENTY of racism at DU -- and sexism, and

homophobia. Plenty of it, and you're both witnessing and in denial about some of it.

[hlthe2b]

68. Yes, Eloriel, you are right.... but some of the apprehension...

may be no more than concern that Cindy's message might get deflected from the arrival of very high profile figures. Just as many have expressed concern that some might come to press unrelated causes.

Given that this latter concern hasn't seemingly come to pass, perhaps we have nothing to worry about. Rev. Al will surely liven things up, that's for sure. He may be just the one to put some of these asshole pundits and tv interviewers in their place, with respect to their snarky attitudes towards Cindy.

[Chovexani]

75. LMAO!

I doubt there are any racists on this site.

This is the funniest shit I have heard all day. Are you new here?

[anotherdrew]

89. o k - o k - o k

yes, fairly new.

I'm not sure just what people mean as being racist in this thread though. ? the 'fat ugly mouth' line; the 'he's just an opportunist' (like what pol isn't) comments. Anything else?

when I see the word 'racist' I think bull connor and archie bunker type BS and I'm less sure of any of these comments being 'clearly' racist. Everything said here seems like it could have been said about someone regardless of their race. (I could be missing a few posts though)
I'm probably just not aware enough to see it when it's in a more subtle form. so anyway, I'm just asking for some education on the matter.

[DoYouEverWonder]

93. You're not missing anything

the only people who are being racist are the ones who keep playing the race card in order to defend themselves for supporting him.

[anotherdrew]

98. maybe...

see my post #96 for some ideas about that.

He isn't _still_ working with Stone in ANY way right? So it was a odd marriage of convenience perhaps?

Does seem like Sharpton jettisoned some long time loyal workers and such. But I'd like to see some followup on the Sharpton-Stone thing stand currently. It sucks that he worked with Stone, but... it doesn't seem like it 'helped' the repugs in any way.

[Tyranny_R_US]

125. Racism isn't a card game its very real 'DoYouEverWonder'

Personally I believe if the Bill or Hillary Clinton, Maria Shriver, John Mccain,Rush Limbaugh,Joe Lieberman,Jerry Falwell,Pat Robertson or even Laura and Barbra Bush wanted to join Cindy Sheehan they would be welcomed with open arms and praised on this forum, their past or the people they associate with would never be brought up. Its always bothered me that every-time I see an image of the camp I've never see any african americans (except for the SS agent) or other minorities, for the most part it has been a gathering of mostly white people, I believe Mr. Sharptons presence will bring people who might feel alienated but support her in silence to openly join Cindy in her protest but judging by alot of posts in this thread I don't think some people want that to happen.

If Cindy personally turns Mr. Sharpton away she will lose all my support I don't have to support her to be against this war and Bush.

[Agnomen]

131. Chill out

You don't know what race the other posters are.

[Mike_The_Computer]

32. Send in the clowns ... there ought to be ... clowns

Oh wait - there are clowns. Al "Tawana Brawley" "Media Whore" Sharpton.

[ovidsen]

38. ABA: Anyone but Al

I lived in NYC when he went apeshit over Tawana Brawley's "I was gang-raped by white men" slanders. Sharpton tried to wreck people's lives long after he should have told the lying Ms. Brawley to take a hike. Sharpton did as much damage to race relations as David Duke did:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley

With friends like these, Democrats don't need enemies. And if you think that makes me a racist, I think that makes you a fool.

[meganmonkey]

41. Yikes.

I guess I just hope he doesn't stay long.
:shrug:

[NCPatriot]

50. Why is it always about Racism?

I know this message will also get me labeled a "Slight Racist"... but honestly, you all dont know if I am black, white, or orange!

When someone does not like the idea of the open porous borders and the known illegal immigration, they are immediately labeled Racist.

If someone does not think Al Sharpton would be good for this cause... again, Racist!

Arent we all just members of the human race? If so... then the only racists we face are those who are trying to squash it! Namely the Bush Corporation!

Al Sharpton does deliver a very strong message and he does have a huge following of people who have similar beliefs as his. THAT IS GOOD for this cause!

Al Sharpton can also spin up just as much rhetoric as anyone on the left, right or middle!

I want him here for his strong message and how he delivers it! I want him here for the large numbers of eyes and ears he can bring to the cause...

I would rather he not turn this into a personal agenda on any level.

I am just so tired of hearing the Racist word thrown at everyone who disagrees with anything that involves leaders or people who are not white!

[Barkley]

66. A.N.S.W.E.R- Act Now to Stop War and End Racism

Check them out, InternationalANSWER.org has organized many major anti war demos in L.A. and across the globe.

The Sept. 25th demo is being organized by ANSWER.

The wars and occupations in Iraq, Afghanistan are racists.
These wars parallel the U.S. War and occupation of the Philippine (1898)

R. Kipling wrote his famous "Take up the White Man's Burden" in response to the U.S. take over of the Philippine. Kilpling wanted the U.S. to colonize the islands.

Below is the first paragraph of "The White Man's Burden". The parallels to Iraq are stunning.

"Take up the White Man's burden--
Send forth the best ye breed--
Go bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need;
To wait in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild--
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half-devil and half-child."

....




The rest of the poem also mirrors Iraq

Take up the White Man's burden--
In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple,
An hundred times made plain
To seek another's profit,
And work another's gain.

Take up the White Man's burden--
The savage wars of peace--
Fill full the mouth of Famine
And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest
The end for others sought,
Watch sloth and heathen Folly
Bring all your hopes to nought.

Take up the White Man's burden--
No tawdry rule of kings,
But toil of serf and sweeper--
The tale of common things.
The ports ye shall not enter,
The roads ye shall not tread,
Go mark them with your living,
And mark them with your dead.

Take up the White Man's burden--
Ye dare not stoop to less--
Nor call too loud on Freedom
To cloke your weariness;
By all ye cry or whisper,
By all ye leave or do,
The silent, sullen peoples
Shall weigh your gods and you.

Take up the White Man's burden--
Have done with childish days--
The lightly proferred laurel,
The easy, ungrudged praise.
Comes now, to search your manhood
Through all the thankless years
Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom,
The judgment of your peers!

[Straight Shooter]

54. Sharpton should be called Sharp-tongue

He will eviscerate bush and everyone else in this frickin' charade. I have my problems with Sharpton and his "opportunistic" ways, and I have big problems with the Stone association and how he sandbagged Howard Dean. All that aside, though, I see this as a good thing.

For cryin' out loud, think of all the young black men and women who are getting killed over there, and other minorities, alongside the whites. Let Sharpton be their voice.

:thumbsup:

[demgrrrll]

55. What's the problem? He gave a real barn burner of a speech at the

convention. Pat Robertson calls for an assassination and we are hand wringing about Al Sharpton? We need to stand up for whoever stands up for us and stop allowing others to bully us into disavowing people who are potentially helpful. There were those who went on and on about Joan Baez in the same manner. She hasn't changed a damn thing about the dynamics. I agree with Catwoman, get a grip.

[DoYouEverWonder]

65. This is the problem - Bush Covert Operative Takes Over Al Sharpton's Campa

Sleeping With the GOP
A Bush Covert Operative Takes Over Al Sharpton's Campaign

February 5th, 2004

Roger Stone, the longtime Republican dirty-tricks operative who led the mob that shut down the Miami-Dade County recount and helped make George W. Bush president in 2000, is financing, staffing, and orchestrating the presidential campaign of Reverend Al Sharpton.

Though Stone and Sharpton have tried to reduce their alliance to a curiosity, suggesting that all they do is talk occasionally, a Voice investigation has documented an extraordinary array of connections. Stone played a pivotal role in putting together Sharpton's pending application for federal matching funds, getting dollars in critical states from family members and political allies at odds with everything Sharpton represents. He's also helped stack the campaign with a half-dozen incongruous top aides who've worked for him in prior campaigns. He's even boasted about engineering six-figure loans to Sharpton's National Action Network (NAN) and allowing Sharpton to use his credit card to cover thousands in NAN costs—neither of which he could legally do for the campaign. In a wide-ranging Voice interview Sunday, Stone confirmed his matching-fund and staffing roles, but refused to comment on the NAN subsidies.

<snip>

Recruited in 2000 by his friend James Baker, the former secretary of state, to spearhead the GOP street forces in Miami, Stone is apparently confident that he can use the Democrat-bashing preacher to damage the party's eventual nominee, just as Sharpton himself bragged he did in the New York mayoral campaign of 2001. In his 2002 book, Al on America, Sharpton wrote that he felt the city's Democratic Party "had to be taught a lesson" in 2001—insisting that Mark Green, who defeated the Sharpton-backed Fernando Ferrer in a bitter runoff, had disrespected him and minorities. Adding that the party "still has to be taught one nationally," he warned: "A lot of 2004 will be about what happened in New York in 2001. It's about dignity." In 2001, Sharpton engaged in a behind-the-scenes dialogue with campaign aides to Republican Mike Bloomberg while publicly disparaging Green.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0405,barrett,50745,1.html

[Tyranny_R_US]

70. Name one white religious leader who may or may not have connections...

to the RW is publicly standing up for Cindy Sheehan and have stood up or the rights of countless minorities, if you can't get over yourself its nothing to get tied up in a knot about.

[Chovexani]

79. There you go using that Earth-brand logic again

Don't you know it's not appreciated here? ;)

So much fear...well you know too much truth tends to frighten yellow belly Dems and Rev. Al always tells it like it is...

[DoYouEverWonder]

81. Then why did the GOP finance

Sharpton's primary campaign?

[Liberal Dose]

90. Exactly! Sharpton is a tool of the rightwing, and pointing out that fact

does not equal racism.

[SammyWinstonJack]

129. Apparently to some here, it does.

I don't see it myself. But then I don't go looking for racists remarks where none exist.

[geckosfeet]

114. Sharpton played them for funds and logistical support - he may have

had his job to do but he needed a way to get some air time and make his voice heard. The dems were not helping him out. A starving man does not turn down day old food.

I think it takes a lot of guts for the guy to go to Texas. Lets hope he can help.

[smoogatz]

71. Well, if it wasn't a circus before

It will be now.

[VegasWolf]

74. I think it's great. Let's call as much attention to Cindy as possible.

[Buns_of_Fire]

99. Heck, yeah. The more the merrier.

So he's considered opportunistic. Big deal. Name me a politician who ISN'T.

The more eyes focused on Crawdad, the better. Skeer boosh so bad he'll have to take ANOTHER vacation to get away from his vacation (after mommy changes his Depends again). Cindy's got her message, and I don't think she'll let Rev. Al or anyone else co-opt it.

If the big, bad republicans and the republican-lites don't like it... Heh, heh, heh... So much the better!

And if you want someone around who can rhetorically pound Li'l Boots into the ground with half his brain tied behind his back...

[RSchewe]

77. Fine with me if it is for support. This is Cindy Sheehan's deal...

and everyone knows it. She knows what she is doing. I doubt he will come to take anything from Cindy Sheehan.

Where are the other Dems? That is the real question.

The Congressional Black Caucus and minorites in the party have been the only Dems that has been doing anything for the party as far back as I can remember. So before people try to beat up on him remember how people felt when he gave that speech at the DNC convention.

I would like to hear him take some jabs like he did at the DNC convention last year. I think he has come a far way since the Tawana Brawley days. You can't find any Dems these days that are bold enough to speak their mind and tell it how it is.

We need people to start speaking up and taking it to these crooks, liars, and traitors before they burn our country to the ground.

[DanCa]

78. The christian right arent the right christians

Rev Al is a true man of a god and peace not like these right wing jamokes.

[DoYouEverWonder]

82. Since when do true men of god

hang out with Repug pigs and use their credit cards?

[DanCa]

84. Lol jesus hung out with sinners JK :)

Okay you got me on that one, ignore me. I am on lots of psych drugs.

[DoYouEverWonder]

85. Yes Jesus did hang out with sinners

he just didn't hire them to run his political campaigns.

[DanCa]

87. True dat - :D)

[applegrove]

91. Sharpton is an important leader. Oh yes is can be flacky and he

said some horrid things back a decade ago. He is also great at communicating and has matured ore the years. And he is a leader. The GOP wants him to jump to their side bad.

I hope he does visit with Cindy.

[lovuian]

92. well finally a Democrat goes to see Cindy!!!

was wondering where they were???

[brentspeak]

94. Get this clown away from Camp Casey

From Wikipedia:

"In his early years, Sharpton referred to gays as "faggots," and throughout his political career has called whites "crackers" and Jews "diamond merchants," "white interlopers," and "bloodsucking Jews." Sharpton's criticism of black Marxists extended to them carrying "that German cracker’s book under their arms."

His vociferous black nationalism has lead him to be closely, and at times directly, involved in racist attacks on non-blacks. After calling a Jewish shopkeeper a "white interloper," he looked on while an associate of his suggested the Jew's shop should be burned down. When a black member of the crowd did so, killing several including himself, Sharpton initially denied having been present. When confronted with a video tape showing his presence, he said: "What's wrong with denouncing white interlopers?" Other such controversies center on purported offenses by Jews against black Americans, although in one case he did attack Korean shopkeepers."

[anotherdrew]

96. well, good for him for wasting repug money and Stone's time at least

He's being courted to become a republican is sugested. I doubt he will do it, seriously doubt it. Also, there's an old saying, "keep your friends close and your enemies even closer" Maybe Sharpton and Team Dem got some choice intel on Stone's crew. As long as Stone's hand isn't sticking into Sharptons back I'd have to say it's probably nothing to worry about.

[bpilgrim]

100. Al always steps up to the plate

of course the reTHUGs heads will explode - lol

peace

[KittyWampus]

104. Hmm, after reading this thread I learned if you don't like Al, you're a

bigot.

Frankly, I'd prefer all politicos stay away from Mrs. Sheehan's protest.

But that's just my personal opinion which doesn't count for squat in this situation.

[RSchewe]

105. No, that is a fair opinon. Maybe one of the reasons the movement

Cindy Sheehan has started is appealing is because there are regular people involved and running it, relatively speaking. I know there are a lot of pros there helping, but not people that may cast a different shadow on it.

I don't care either way if he goes or not, it is about Cindy Sheehan and her cause not any other crap that people are trying to muddle it to be. He may, on the other hand take some jabs at Bush which may be a little funny. He was good at the DNC convention last year.

[leesa]

106. Shit. Bad news. Can't he just write an editorial or something?

[fooj]

107. He looked like a man who was deeply moved at the DSM hearing.

It was authentic. He was sickened. IMO, how he felt that day could not be faked. It doesn't surprise me that he is throwing his support behind Cindy. I believe this is much more to him than a political opportunity. Doesn't anyone here believe he has the right to know what the "NOBLE CAUSE IS", as well? IMO, we all have that right and should demand an answer.

Peace.

[Generic Other]

108. Rev. Sharpton comes in PEACE and he comes with hand extended

What other Democrats are doing that? Maxine Waters. Sheila Jackson Lee.

Again, when it mattered it was African American leaders in our party who stood up to be counted.

I welcome them with open arms.

[geckosfeet]

109. This is a plus!! Sharpton can be a little over the top sometimes but

he is genuine and can help in Crawford. He does need to rein it in a bit though. If he can do that I think he will add an interesting element to the mix. (I am not sure how long he can hold out without AC though.)

On the one hand, you have a state where they dragged a black man to death behind a truck a few years ago, and then you have Sharpton willing to ride down there and in my mind take a substantial risk. He does not have to do this.

Keep in mind that he will very likely show up in someones ??? 06 NY State senate campaign, and probably surface again in 08. He is doing what other political figures cannot but he is providing some linkage.

Call it opportunism and mercenary or what you will. Unless he starts spouting way off topic I do not see how it can hurt. He does have excellent speaking skills and can debate the pants off anyone the pro bush camp has fielded.

[Samantha]

112. Regardless of what one thinks about Sharpton, that Bogeyman speech

he gave during one of the earliest of protests is a classic. It was done with great class yet brought home a point about Bush* that the American people needed to hear: Bush* and Cheney run this country through fear. It was fear that convinced the majority of Americans at the onset of this illegal, immoral war to support Bush*s preemptive attack on Iraq. On that particular occasion, Bush* made Saddam our Bogeyman to fear. True, Saddam was a cruel leader, but the immediate threat he presented was to the Iraqi people, not to us.

It is extremely important for those who still support Bush* and still support this war to be introduced to the concept that that tool of using fear as a motivator is exactly what suckered many naive Americans into "going along." There is no better person to make that point than Al Sharpton.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

135. agreed

Sharpton, during that Presidential run - said many things that needed to be said. He's a brave man. He also has an inspiring wit.

[Isere]

113. Oh, God! Just what we don't need!

Another Sharpton performance. He can't stand it if he isn't the Grand Marshall of every parade.

Now Cindy's message will be muddied and distorted by Sharpton's compulsive need to bathe in the floodlights.

[gulliver]

121. More proof Sharpton is an ass ... if any was needed.

[Lilith Velkor]

123. Good on him

At least he has the ovaries to join her. Yet people gotta complain. Sheesh. :eyes:

[bluetuesday]

132. Al Sharpton

Well that's a start but where is Hillary,Kerry,Biden and the
rest of the supposedly front running Democrats.Even if they don't
agree with Mrs.Sheehan at least talk with her.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

134. Biden?

waaahahahahaha that's a a good one!

The other two probably know better, they understand this is between the chimp and Cindy, and they don't want to interrupt the chimp when he is making the biggest mistake in a mistake-ridden pretzelduncy. Sharpton has more leeway in these matters.