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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 09:02 AM Original message |
Catholic churches lead signature drive for ban on gay marriage |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
1. lambda legal needs to sue to have the ballot measure overturned |
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tainowarrior (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
2. how ironic.. |
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joeunderdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 10:10 AM Response to Reply #2 |
64. Where are they on killing innocent people in Iraq? |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
3. Will someone please yank their tax-exempt status? n/t |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 09:51 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Ever since 1975 when Washington Archdiocese killed gay marriage bill in DC |
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CatholicEdHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 04:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
24. In this case it should be removed |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 09:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
48. YES - please! It's LONG overdue! |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 08:27 AM Response to Reply #3 |
54. It's being discussed. See... |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 11:42 AM Response to Reply #54 |
76. Two Morans have signed the Constitutional Amendment to Define Marriage |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 04:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
19. Rats! Missed it... |
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tuvor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
5. This church blessed homosexual unions up to a couple hundred years ago. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 10:29 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Really? They regarded homosexual sex as a mortal sin |
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pelagius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 04:54 PM Response to Reply #5 |
23. Boswell's _Same Sex Unions in Premodern Europe_... |
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tuvor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 05:01 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Thanks for the link. |
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FrankX (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 09:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
44. I didn't know that. That's really something. |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 10:53 AM Response to Reply #23 |
70. agree! |
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jkappy (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 10:59 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. you got it down!! n/t |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 10:56 AM Response to Reply #23 |
71. love your name Pelagius |
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regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 08:33 AM Response to Reply #23 |
113. Although I wish it weren't so... |
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movonne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
6. Why are they not getting signatures on torture, killing people in this |
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Shallah Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 04:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
25. Freedom Fries - act like you care yet actually do NOTHING to help anyone!! |
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Rich Hunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 09:17 AM Response to Reply #6 |
56. well...they are |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 02:15 PM Response to Reply #56 |
78. Those poor, poor persecuted catholics. Er, I mean Irish. |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 11:27 AM Response to Reply #6 |
75. I dunno, but that's why I stopped going to church |
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Hobarticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
8. "Forgive them, they know not what they do..." |
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FloridaPat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
9. Against gay marriages but for pedophiles? What crap. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 09:35 AM Response to Reply #9 |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
10. Yawn. |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
12. Don't those people have better things to do?? |
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Southpaw Bookworm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 11:12 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Oh, they're working on that too |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
14. Three Words: TAX. THE. FUCKERS. |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 05:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. I.SECOND.THE.MOTION! |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
15. Nothing New Here! Catholic Hatred And Bigotry For Homosexuals... |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 05:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
90. I agree. They cover up child rape, but can't stand.. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 10:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
104. You'll get no argument from me. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
16. Tax the fucking church. |
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pelagius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
17. Not all Catholics |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 04:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Why Any Homo Would Remain A Member Of A Church That HATES THEM So Much... |
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CatholicEdHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 04:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Only a segment of Catholics do |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 05:16 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. "Only A Segment" ... Really? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 09:29 AM Response to Reply #30 |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 10:11 AM Response to Reply #57 |
65. Sorry That Your Reply Was Deleted Before I Could Read It... |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 10:34 AM Response to Reply #30 |
66. Bad as the Klan? |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 10:39 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Absolutely As Bad As The Klan...Only With More Clout, Respect & Influence. |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 10:46 AM Response to Reply #30 |
69. You and I have had this conversation before. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 02:34 PM Response to Reply #69 |
80. A completely false comparison. The economics alone of leaving... |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 05:07 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. I was actually speaking more of the emotional attachment. (nt) |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 05:44 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Well, on a purely emotional level, many people feel thay have indeed... |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 07:08 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. I agree. But I am still here. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 07:26 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Well, I'm glad you see it that way. |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 07:31 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. I just would hope that at some point the |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 07:37 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. And until "some point"? Real harm is being done to real people, right now. |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 07:46 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. 'Shattered lives' I don't think I understand what you mean. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 07:55 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. No, the shattered lives are those of gays and lesbians... |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 06:15 AM Response to Reply #99 |
108. Maybe I am dense, but I don't think that I would allow |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 07:09 AM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Then get your church and its awful "teachings" OUT of Mass. politics. |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 08:08 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. What are you talking about? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 08:51 AM Response to Reply #110 |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 09:01 AM Response to Reply #110 |
116. To clarify my position, it is my view that... |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 11:59 AM Response to Reply #108 |
121. What would you have us do, then? |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 11:39 AM Response to Reply #98 |
120. Then please allow me to spell it out. |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #69 |
83. But Our Leaders Come And Go... And We Have "Some" Say So In Who They Are.. |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 05:06 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Oh, I don't take it personally. |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 05:32 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. A Quiet Dinner... |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 07:06 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. LOL. And, if you knew my husband you would know that |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 05:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
35. I know some openly gay Catholics |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 05:32 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. The Catholic Church Is Legitimizing ANTI GAY BIGOTRY!! |
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Rich Hunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 09:38 AM Response to Reply #37 |
59. yeah, it is |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 05:13 PM Response to Reply #37 |
87. I agree with you about the silence part. |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:08 AM Response to Reply #87 |
117. So If Mild Grumbling Is All The Church Leaders Must Endure (Or Ignore)... |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 12:33 PM Response to Reply #117 |
122. I don't tithe. |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 12:41 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. Good One... |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 04:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Ah, but these people AREN'T Catholics |
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pelagius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 05:08 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. You are technically correct, but I daresay... |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 05:20 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Not Monolithic... True... Perhaps... |
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pelagius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 05:29 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. I think that's a reasonable question... |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 05:33 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Oh My! |
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DarkTirade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:08 AM Response to Reply #36 |
52. I thought the Unitarians took that title... :) |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 08:43 AM Response to Reply #36 |
55. LOL! |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 11:03 PM Response to Reply #32 |
105. The SILENCE is deafening! |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
20. glad I left the catholic church a longgg timeeee agoooo |
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pelagius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 05:09 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Love the "holy card"!!!! n/t |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 05:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Right-click... Save As... |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
29. Church. State. Separate. Anyone? Anyone? |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
31. I'm a Roman Catholic, but I wouldn't sign this petition. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:24 PM Response to Reply #31 |
82. Thank you. I hope you'll talk with other catholics... |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
39. Catholics, come over to the Episcopal Church; most of us do not |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 09:26 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Ya know... there's ALWAYS gonna be *some* bigots somewhere... |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 09:28 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. And Another Thing... For Such A "PERSECUTED" Bunch Of Folks... |
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DarkTirade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:10 AM Response to Reply #43 |
53. In the immortal words of Mel Brooks... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 09:40 AM Response to Reply #39 |
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Fenris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 02:36 PM Response to Reply #60 |
81. As opposed to the Catholic Church... |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
40. Catholics, come on over to Don's Church'O'Fun, None of us |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
41. We need to write to the IRS and have their tax exempt status revoked. |
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frictionlessO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
45. Beyond the pale, tax those religous extremists if they want to play |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
46. If the bible did not exist |
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Paligal (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
47. You think this is bad, wait till next month |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 01:03 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. May as well close the whole thing down. As I understand it |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 11:06 AM Response to Reply #47 |
74. Has the clergy gone on strike yet? |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 11:07 PM Response to Reply #47 |
106. It has already begun - about a couple weeks ago. |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-05 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
49. If the Catholic Church or any church does not want gay marriages then... |
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DarkTirade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:05 AM Response to Original message |
51. All I can tell them is... |
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BLUEBOY (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
61. Letter to the PaPa |
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BLUEBOY (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
62. Letter to the PaPa |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
63. This is so sad |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
68. I Notice Some Of The "Regulars" Are AWFULLY QUIET... |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 11:45 AM Response to Reply #68 |
77. I'M not- -- I think it is ATROCIOUS |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:49 PM Response to Reply #77 |
84. Hey... |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 11:10 PM Response to Reply #68 |
107. Well at least ONE is changing the subject. |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 01:30 PM Response to Reply #107 |
124. Yeah... That One Lost Me |
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Tight_rope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
73. The Catholic Church needs to lead signature drive to ban pedophiles! |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
79. so it's okay to live together in sin if you're a gay person |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 06:40 PM Response to Reply #79 |
91. Straight people who get a DIVORCE |
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regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 08:26 AM Response to Reply #91 |
112. Not just 'a sum of money'... |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
94. T-T-T-T-TAX 'EM! |
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williesgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
100. Most Catholics have given up on their Church for any kind of |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 11:19 AM Response to Reply #100 |
119. Thanks! |
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adigal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
101. Until 18 months ago, I was a catholic and a republican |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 08:15 AM Response to Reply #101 |
111. Three cheers for changing religions |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
102. Q. What percentage of people at Mass actually signed the petition? |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:35 AM Response to Reply #102 |
118. READ THIS! The Church Creates And Contributes To The HATRED Of Gays... |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 06:41 PM Response to Reply #118 |
125. A lot of people did leave over the ban on birth control |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 11:53 AM Response to Reply #125 |
126. The World Would Be A Better Place Without The Catholic Church. |
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queerart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
103. Say It Ain't So........ |
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Shine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
127. This is disturbing on so many levels. |
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