Farrakhan Gathering to Focus on Katrina

[Algorem]

http://www.leadingthecharge.com/stories/news-0083456.html

By ERIN TEXEIRA, AP National Writer 1 hour, 1 minute ago

Hurricane Katrina thrust racial disparities onto the nation‘s political agenda and top civil rights leaders, fueled by outrage over the disaster, are heading to Washington. The occasion is the 10th anniversary of Louis Farrakhan‘s Million Man March, a long-planned event that now is shaping up as a stage for black America to respond to the devastation in New Orleans.

Though Farrakhan has long stirred controversy — and lately he has speculated that New Orleans‘ levees were bombed to destroy black neighborhoods — his event will unite a wide array of prominent social justice advocates. The guest list for Saturday‘s event includes members of Congress, hip-hop artists, civil rights activists, media pundits, academics and business leaders. Muslim and Christian religious figures will also participate.

At the 1995 rally, Farrakhan was "a facilitator," said Ronald Walters, a political scientist at the University of Maryland. Most people had "a range of other reasons why they came, and I would venture to say that‘s pretty much his role this time around."

Event spokeswoman Linda Boyd said the goal is to build on the themes of 1995, which focused on urging black men to take responsibility for improving their families and communities, creating a movement that gets people to act for change locally and nationally...




Millions More Movement: http://www.millionsmoremovement.com

[GrumpyGreg]

1. Farrakhan may be divisive,but he gets people to really look

at the issue of race in the USA.

That said---I can't believe it's been 10 years--God,time flies.

[SammyBlue]

2. This anti-semetic bigot needs to drop dead

He and the rest of the racist, sexist zealots at the Nation of Islam. By no means should ANY Democrat or Progressive ever associate themselves with slime like this.

[bunny planet]

3. Yes, it is unfortunate that Mr. Farrakan has responded to hatred and

bigotry against his own people with a belief system that fosters hatred and verbal attacks on another group of people. His anti-semitic rantings have always grievously diminished whatever good he could have accomplished.

[whirlygigspin]

4. this is about an American problem

"Event spokeswoman Linda Boyd said the goal is to build on the themes of 1995, which focused on urging black men to take responsibility for improving their families and communities"


--This is not about Israel/Palestine.

[bunny planet]

6. Of course. I think the goal of the million man march was and is admirable.

I just wish Farrakan wasn't an anti-semite.

[hughee99]

33. Just wait until ANSWER gets involved...

Unfortunately, I thing that this will probably become another "issue free-for-all" where any cohesive message will end up getting missed in the sea of issues being represented (of course ANSWERS pet issues, free Mumia, legalize hemp, stop the War, global warming, economic globalization, women's rights, glbt rights, Darfur, energy independence, and free range chickens). Not that some of these issues aren't important, but when you have an event to "build on the themes of 1995, which focused on urging black men to take responsibility for improving their families and communities", the other issues can obscure the message and defeat the purpose.

[Tomee450]

5. Well apparently

millions of people do no share your views. It amazing that some people at the mere mention of Farrakhan's name will jump into a tirade against him. Those same people are rarely heard criticizing Pat Buchanan who by his writings and words seem not to be too fond of Israel or Jews. He can run for president, have his own television show, appear as pundits often right across the table from Jews and face no hostility whatsoever. The old double standard again. How very selfish that you would suggest that a man of Farrakhan's ability, someone who can bring together a million people should be ignored by the black community or other members of the Democratic party. Farrakhan does not spend his time talking about Israel or Jews. He spends his time telling black girls not to have babies until married, telling men to stand up and be men, to take responsibility. He also talks against drug use and advise blacks to get an education and to go into business for themselves. I've also heard him rail against black on black crime. Those are positive things he advises yet you thing he should be ignored. I've listened to Farrakhan on television programs and I do not hear him making anti-semitic remarks. He is mostly concerned about the future of the black community.

[buff2]

8. He used to be vicious toward whites and Jews

But I never hear him talk like that anymore. Besides,if he can help stir up the people against bu$h and his fascists,so be it.I'm sure he's going to have a lot to say about the way blacks were ignored,starved and died after hurricane Katrina because bu$h and the repukes DON'T CARE.

People are being left behind more than ever before because the corporations are running this country. It's whoever has the most bucks are the ones who have the say. I read his website and he had a big article on there about the HUGE protest in DC. I hate it when people jump to conclusions about everything instead of doing a little RESEARCH. I hope Farrakhan gets MILLIONS to join him next Saturday and shake DC from one end to the other.

The more people who scream out against this horrible regime,the better off we will be. Who the hell cares if it's Farrakhan and millions of other blacks? They live here too, and they have just as much right to say what they want as the rest of us. Shame on the complainers against him. LET HIM SHOUT FROM THE HIGHEST MOUNTAIN....WE NEED A CHANGE AND WE NEED BUSH OUT!!!!!!!

[Behind the Aegis]

12. Your incorrect on many things.

Buchannan is OFTEN criticized here (except when he is bashing Israel, then he 'gets a free pass.'). Buchannan is often attacked by Jewish media for his anti-Semitic attacks.

Farrakhan does, in fact, take on many negatives in the Black community. However, he often places the blame squarely at the feet of whites and sometimes, Jews. There is nothing wrong with correcting history and assgining blame where it belongs. However, correcting one's situation in life should not always be because others "did it to you, so now it is OK." He has rallied his community, nd recently even made overtures to gays and lesbians in the African-American community, but to deny that he has antisemitic leanings and is involving antisemitic groups is still bigotry as well, and should be called so.

“Dewey, Kant and Hegel, and the rabbis that wrote the Talmud, make blacks inferior.”
National Black Agenda Convention, Boston, 3/18/04

“I call them the so-called Jews because to be a Jew you have to adhere to the statutes and laws that create the special relationship. How can you be a Jew and promote homosexual marriage?”
National Black Agenda Convention, Boston, 3/18/04

“See, you so called Jews – I’m not gonna give you the credit for being one of those that obey God. You portrayed us, you know what images do, that’s why you jumped on Mel Gibson. But you painted us, big lips, red eyes, kinky hair, you put in the movies like that. You mocked our characteristics and made us to hate God’s creation of us. You did that. Hollywood did that….You take our strongest, more courageous black minds, you think we don’t see you? And you put us in Hollywood. You give us television shows, and then we gotta bug our eyes.”
Saviours' Day Speech, Chicago, 2/29/04

You say I hate Jews. I don't hate the Jewish people, I never have. But there some things I don't like. 'What is it you don't like, Farrakhan?' I don't like the way you leech on us. See a leech is somebody that sucks your blood, takes from you and don't give you a damn thing. See, I don't like that kind of arrangement. You become our manager, you become our agent. Every one of us that got talent, we can't make it because you opened the door, and when you opened the door you get and we end up dead with nothing, owing the IRS."
8th Anniversary The Holy Day of Atonement speech at Mosque Maryam, Chicago, 10/16/03

"I'm not into integration. I ain't for that. God told the Jews, he didn't want you intermarrying with others. But you disobeyed him. He don't want us uniting into this that he's come to judge… You can't integrate with wickedness if you want righteousness."
8th Anniversary The Holy Day of Atonement speech at Mosque Maryam, Chicago, 10/16/03

"You can go to Palestine, called Israel today, you can see Sodom, you can see Gomorrah, ain't nothing built there. God hadn't let anything be built there to show you his displeasure against homosexual behavior. Now the church says it's all right. I was an Episcopalian before I was a Muslim, and I liked my church. I can't remember anybody in the church, if they were gay they were hiding that. They were sure acting like men, you know what I mean."
8th Anniversary The Holy Day of Atonement speech at Mosque Maryam, Chicago, 10/16/03

Mentioning National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and presidential advisor Rahm Emanuel, Farrakhan said, "Every Jewish person that is around the president is a dual citizen of Israel and the United States of America...And sometimes, we have to raise the question, 'Are you more loyal to the state of Israel than you are to the best interests of the United States of America.'"
News conference at the National Press Club, 10/19/98

Do I need to continue? If so, you can read Farrakhan in his own words.

I wish him the best with empowering his people and hope it is not at the expense of others.

[Hotep]

14. Fuck the ADL.

That organization spied against Americans on American soil. They are traitors to the USA.

[Behind the Aegis]

16. You got any proof?

Or are you just mixing up "Jew" groups? AIPAC is the group implicated in a "spy" situation.

[Hotep]

24. Do a GOOGLE search on the book "The Ugly Truth About the JDL

[Behind the Aegis]

25. The JDL and ADL are NOT the same thing.

The only sites that have "The Ugly Truth About the ADL" are neo-nazi sites. Is that your proof?!

[Hotep]

30. This is about the ADL. I bought this book several years ago....

not from a neo-nazi site, but from a regular book store. It is a documented fact that the ADL spied on African American organizations, to include the NAACP, Rainbow Coalition, among others. In fact it was fined in San Francisco based upon FBI investigations. THESE ARE FACTS!

[Behind the Aegis]

31. you said: googleThe Ugly Truth About the JDL

What is the name of this book? The one about the ADL.

[Englander]

34. Like Amazon, eh?

:)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0943235073/102-2166596-0598520?v=glance

Although I don't know why Amazon is selling this, it does sound like
a nasty piece of work, this book.

Here's a long article about ADL, & the 'spying' incident;

"SF Weekly

Spy vs Spite
The Clinton administration has praised the Anti-Defamation League for
helping shield kids from Internet hate. But should a group that spied
on thousands of Californians be allowed to police the Web?

By Matt Isaacs

Published: Wednesday, February 2, 2000

>snip

On a number of occasions since the 1970s, the ADL has been caught distributing lists of its enemies, replete with detailed descriptions of "black demagogues" and "pro-Arab propagandists," including poet Amiri Baraka in the list of demagogues, and Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor Noam Chomsky under the propagandist label. Then, in 1993, a longtime ADL investigator admitted to working with a member of the San Francisco Police Department to illegally gather information on almost 10,000 people, including members of socialist, labor, and anti-apartheid groups.

Some of the targets of that information-gathering effort have gone to court in an attempt to gain access to their dossiers, currently in possession of the ADL, but the ADL has refused to release the files, claiming that its investigator was an "investigative journalist" whose unpublished reporting materials are protected against disclosure by the California shield law, which was originally adopted to help journalists keep confidential sources who reveal important public wrongdoing confidential.

>snip

In an investigation by the city, San Francisco police seized 10 boxes of information from the offices of the ADL. A police officer testified that 75 percent of the material was illegally obtained from confidential government sources, according to court records. Police also examined Bullock's computer files, which contained information on 9,876 people, along with 1,394 driver's license numbers. The people were divided into four categories: "Arabs," "Pinkos," "Right," and "Skins." Zeltzer and Blankfort were listed under "Pinkos." Included in Zeltzer's dossier was a description of the protest at the Fairmont Hotel.

Although thousands of nonpublic documents were found in the possession of both Bullock and the ADL, the city offered a settlement agreement to the organization in November 1993. As a result of the deal, the ADL paid a $75,000 civil fine -- most of which went to charitable causes along the lines of the ADL's own interests, such as a Hate Crimes Reward Fund -- while denying all allegations of wrongdoing.

http://www.sfweekly.com/Issues/2000-02-02/feature.html

[Tomee450]

17. It's also been reported that the

ADL also spied on black civil rights organizations.

[Behind the Aegis]

21. Legitimate sources?

What was the reason?

[Tomee450]

15. I've read and heard Farrakhan

in his own words and I don't agree with your assessment. Farrakhan will criticize anyone, including African Americans. Why is it that to criticize Israel or Jews is to be an anti-semite. Also, it appears that some people become especially enraged when a black person says anything considered offensive to members of the majority population. That attitude is never transferred to others who behave similarly. Yes, there is criticizing of Buchanan but not to the extent that Farrakhan is criticized. Farrakhan is hated, Buchanan is not. If you recall, Farrakhan was condemned by Congress. Buchanan, who talked about the Jewish lobby and its "amen corner in congress" did not suffer that fate. I see many well known Jews who show no animosity towards Buchanan, at all. Buchanan also wrote a book that many Jews took issue with but he still does not engender the kind of rage that is directed at Farrakhan. There is a double standard and that's wrong. It seems that a black person's offense is never forgiven even if it occurred years ago and despite the fact that since that alleged offense occurred he has done many good things. The minute that the names of Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton are mentioned, immediate cries of anti-semi, thug, etc. are heard.

People continue to say horrible things about black people. Fritz Hollings said Africans at a conference were probably happy to be there since they would get a good meal and not have to eat each other. He went on to be reelected and no one ever brings that up. David Horowitz said black people should be glad their ancestors were slaves since they now are able to live better than most blacks on the planet. I don't hear anyone talking about that horrible remark. But it's different when blacks offends. Our offenses against white people, in the eyes of many, are never to be forgiven. Double standard.

[Behind the Aegis]

20. Some points...

I've read and heard Farrakhan in his own words and I don't agree with your assessment.

Yet, I provided you examples of his own words. These were words coming from his mouth.

Farrakhan will criticize anyone, including African Americans. Why is it that to criticize Israel or Jews is to be an anti-semite.

Criticism is fine. However, doing so while using stereotypes as your basis, is bigotry. His calling Jews "leeches" amongst a variety of other things is antisemitic. It is no different than Bennett saying "aborting Black babies will reduce crime." As for Israel, criticizing and government is fine, but his remarks go far past that, including calling Israel a modern day "Sodom and Gomorrah." However, I will not discuss this further here, because it will doom this thread to another forum.

Also, it appears that some people become especially enraged when a black person says anything considered offensive to members of the majority population.

I don't care what CREED you are. I don't care what SEXUAL ORIENTATION you are. I don't care what RELIGION you are. If you say something offensive, it is offensive. Why should a minority group get a free pass?

That attitude is never transferred to others who behave similarly.

Did you miss all the "Bill Bennett" threads?

Yes, there is criticizing of Buchanan but not to the extent that Farrakhan is criticized. Farrakhan is hated, Buchanan is not.

You really might want to do a DU search. You will find that Buchannan is quite hated here! Better yet, go to GD and start "I love Buchannan" thread and see how fast that gets locked down, assuming a flamefest doesn't break out first (and it wouldn't be 'flames' against one another, but against him)!

If you recall, Farrakhan was condemned by Congress. Buchanan, who talked about the Jewish lobby and its "amen corner in congress" did not suffer that fate.

Farrakhan was condemned because of his 'race-baiting.' Buchanan was not because people are so confused about what is and isn't antisemitic behavior. His "amen corner" remark was about Israel and not Jews, at least that is what the majority seem to think.

I see many well known Jews who show no animosity toward Buchanan, at all.

I can't speak to your knowledge of Jews, but everyone I know, including myself, see Buchannan as a raging anti-semite!

Buchanan also wrote a book that many Jews took issue with but he still does not engender the kind of rage that is directed at Farrakhan.

Your opinion. I disagree.

There is a double standard and that's wrong.

Double standards are wrong, including excusing bigotry when it comes from a minority group!

It seems that a black person's offense is never forgiven even if it occurred years ago and despite the fact that since that alleged offense occurred he has done many good things.

It seems the same is true of ANY minority group, including Jews. However, some of his comments were as of this year. Has he since changed his tune? I know his stance on gays and lesbians has started to change. Is the same true of Jews?

The minute that the names of Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton are mentioned, immediate cries of anti-semi, thug, etc. are heard.

And the mere mention of Israel can doom a thread to be banished! Mention PNAC and most people will rattle off the "Jew" names. One form of bigotry does not excuse another! Personally, I like Jackson and I was VERY impressed with Sharpton during the past year (and election cycle). Both men spoke to the needs of the Black community and didn't feel the need to tear down other ethnic/minority groups in the process! So, they do NOT compare to Farrakhan!

People continue to say horrible things about black people.

Well, duh?! Societal and institutionalized racism THRIVES in this country and others! So do all forms of bigotry, it still does not give one a "free pass" to hate others.

Fritz Hollings said Africans at a conference were probably happy to be there since they would get a good meal and not have to eat each other.

I can find even more disgusting quotes about Blacks from still sitting Congress members. There is no denying that racism is still alive and well here.

He went on to be reelected and no one ever brings that up.

So was George Wallace, Strom Thurmond, and Jesse Helms, among others! I have in no way said that racism doesn't exist or is not as ugly as it always was, and will be.


David Horowitz said black people should be glad their ancestors were slaves since they now are able to live better than most blacks on the planet. I don't hear anyone talking about that horrible remark.

I have never heard that quote. Got a reliable source? If, in fact true, then why are you not willing to give him a "free pass" for his racist and incorrect remark, as you seem to be willing to do for Farrakhan and his antisemitic remarks?

But it's different when blacks offends. Our offenses against white people, in the eyes of many, are never to be forgiven. Double standard.

Yes, it is different. People seem to forget that Blacks can be bigots too. People also seem to think that one African-American represent ALL AA people; it is what racism is grounded in! The real double standard is anyone willing to give a free pass to minorities to make bigoted remarks or be bigots. The other double standard is finding fault with an "enemy" and failing to see you have the same or similar faults.

[Tomee450]

22. I totally reject everything you wrote.

Your interpretation of Farrakhan's remarks do not have to be the correct one. As far as the bigotry of African Americans, I reject your view. What you perceive as bigotry is a reaction to the racism experienced by blacks in their daily lives. I think it is not unreasonable to believe that some people might grow to dislike those whom they feel are making their lives miserable. Most black people do not hate white people but many are indeed resentful over the way they have been treated.

As far as stereotypes are concerned, no people in America are more subjected to stereotyping than African Americans. We are told many times to ignore it, or even worse that we are paranoid. Many times we are accused of being whiners. I think to engage in racial or religious stereotyping is wrong but it seem some people are more enraged if they perceive that a black person is engaging in it. It would be nice if such persons could exchange place with a black person for a few days. The racial stereotyping of blacks is blatant and often, and you know that. And most people in this country are not enraged over the stereotyping of African Americans. In fact, many are practitioners of it. The comments about the blacks of NOLA have been vicious.

As for David Horowitz is concerned, please. How can you not be aware of his constant, vicious attacks on black people and I don"t hear any Jewish leaders constantly criticizing him or bringing up his remarks. His statement that blacks should have been happy their ancestors were brought here was widely reported. Neither he, Buchanan, Holllings or anyone else in recent history have been treated as Farrakhan was by Congress. Bill Bennett's remarks were as bad as anything Farrakhan is alleged to have said but no one has as yet suggested that he be censored by Congress. To talk about genocide of black babies is one of the worse thing anybody could say. Yet, he'll be on television talking to Jews and other whites and I dare say will not face the hostility of a black who dared to say something so awful.

So yes, blacks are treated differently. That's why this country continues to memorialize Ron Goldman and Nicole Simpson's death each year despite the fact that thousands of blacks have been murdered by whites who never suffered any consequences. That's why OJ will continue to be a pariah among many in the majority community and Robert Blake will not be and in fact will probably be able to work. And yes, we will continue to forget Hollings, Lott, Bennett, Horowitz, Buchanan while Farrakhan, Sharpton, and Jackson will never be forgiven. You see, it's all about the color. In this society, despite your assertion, black people ARE NEVER GIVEN A FREE PASS.

[Behind the Aegis]

23. Reject whatever you wish...it doesn't make it any more valid.

Your interpretation of Farrakhan's remarks do not have to be the correct one. As far as the bigotry of African Americans, I reject your view. What you perceive as bigotry is a reaction to the racism experienced by blacks in their daily lives. I think it is not unreasonable to believe that some people might grow to dislike those whom they feel are making their lives miserable. Most black people do not hate white people but many are indeed resentful over the way they have been treated.

Nor do YOUR interpretations have to the correct one. You can reject what ever you want, but to deny that there are bigots in the Black community is just plain false! It is no different for Jews, or gays, or women. A bigot is a bigot, it doesn't matter what background they come from!

As far as stereotypes are concerned, no people in America are more subjected to stereotyping than African Americans. We are told many times to ignore it, or even worse that we are paranoid. Many times we are accused of being whiners. I think to engage in racial or religious stereotyping is wrong but it seem some people are more enraged if they perceive that a black person is engaging in it. It would be nice if such persons could exchange place with a black person for a few days. The racial stereotyping of blacks is blatant and often, and you know that. And most people in this country are not enraged over the stereotyping of African Americans. In fact, many are practitioners of it. The comments about the blacks of NOLA have been vicious.

Please! Gays are overly stereotyped! Look at the comments on this forum about "taking it up the ass," "don't bend over in the shower," and "so-and-so Dem is sucking Bush's cock!" Don't lecture me about victimization, we have all been victims of bigotry, more so if in a minority community! Jews are also told to "ignore" anti-semitism, we are being "too sensitive." African-Americans do not have a market share on that either. However, just because one group is the victim of prejudice, doesn't excuse the same behavior coming from another victim. Bigotry is NEVER right!

As for David Horowitz is concerned, please. How can you not be aware of his constant, vicious attacks on black people and I don"t hear any Jewish leaders constantly criticizing him or bringing up his remarks. His statement that blacks should have been happy their ancestors were brought here was widely reported. Neither he, Buchanan, Holllings or anyone else in recent history have been treated as Farrakhan was by Congress. Bill Bennett's remarks were as bad as anything Farrakhan is alleged to have said but no one has as yet suggested that he be censored by Congress. To talk about genocide of black babies is one of the worse thing anybody could say. Yet, he'll be on television talking to Jews and other whites and I dare say will not face the hostility of a black who dared to say something so awful.

As for Horowitz, you have made an assertion, yet provided no proof. I don't read much from him and rarely see him quoted here. It sure does suck when one group is the object of ire and others doing the same OR worse is exempt. That is also at the heart of prejudice and bigotry. As for the rest of your statement, I have already said that societal and institutional racism is very prevalent in this society. There is no need to keep saying it, I already know it and can provide many more examples of it.

So yes, blacks are treated differently. That's why this country continues to memorialize Ron Goldman and Nicole Simpson's death each year despite the fact that thousands of blacks have been murdered by whites who never suffered any consequences. That's why OJ will continue to be a pariah among many in the majority community and Robert Blake will not be and in fact will probably be able to work. And yes, we will continue to forget Hollings, Lott, Bennett, Horowitz, Buchanan while Farrakhan, Sharpton, and Jackson will never be forgiven. You see, it's all about the color. In this society, despite your assertion, black people ARE NEVER GIVEN A FREE PASS.

"So yes, blacks are treated differently," and so are Jews, gays, women, and many others. It still doesn't mean it is right to spread hate and bigotry. One should not build oneself up, by tearing down others using hate and bigotry. Whereas black people are never given a 'free pass' on a societal level, it doesn't excuse the 'free pass' being given here!

[Tomee450]

26. There are no free passes ever

given to black people, your assertions to the contrary. You can mention gays, Jews, or any group you wish as objects of bigotry, but I say emphatically, not one from those groups would ever wish to change places with a black person. Every member of those groups knows as bad as they might have it sometimes, they'd fare worse if black.

No, I don't accept your contention that blacks are bigots. I think, as stated earlier, blacks are resentful sometimes which often manifests itself in a dislike or mistrust of whites. But blacks don't automatically dislike whites because of their color. Those blacks who disdain whites do so because of the bad experiences they and many in their community have suffered at the hands of whites. Is a black person who says he hates white cops a bigot? I think not. That person may dislike white cops because of the bad experiences he and other blacks have had with many white policemen. There is a reason for the dislike.

As regards Horowitz, do your research. I am sure that statement is easy to find. He said it, it's in the public record.

I have stated before and will say once again that blacks are treated differently and more harshly for their infractions than anyone else. You can deny that until the cows come home, but it is a truth
supported by ample evidence.

Farrakhan in your estimation is a bigot. Well so are many other people and yet it is Farrakhan and other blacks who are constantly the object of outrage because of their remarks. They are never forgiven. If Congress can censor Farrakhan, why not someone who seems to equate race with crime and who uttered the indefensible, that the genocide of black babies would reduce crime. NO Jewish or other organization has called for Congress to condemn Bennett. Some of Farrakhan's alleged anti-semitic remarks were uttered over twenty years ago. Jackson's remarks were also made decades ago yet utter outrage is often heard at the mere mention of their names.

I believe in fairness. That is something that seems not to concern many people in matters of race. If a black man can be castigated constantly for his offense, why not others. Black people aren't always bringing up Robert Byrd's KKK affiliation and you really don't hear them talking about Hollings or Lott. But the minute Farrakhan,Jackson or Sharpton are brought up, out comes the hostility.
There is a double standard. The offense in the minds of many, is so much worse if perpetrated by an African American.

It's unfortunate that you lack the ability to understand how wrong it is to treat people who have committed the same infraction differently. It's unfortunately that you feel people are justified in relentless criticism of the blacks who offend while other, non blacks, are not treated similarly. But then that's the way it is in this society.

You will have your opinion and I mine, let us agree to disagree.

[Behind the Aegis]

28. Agree to disagree.

I do not think ALL black folks are bigots, but to deny some are is ludicrous. And, yes Farrakhan is a bigot, as he is an anti-semite. I supplied SEVERAL quotes that were uttered in the past few years, one was even made THIS year, yet you are pretending that the quotes are some distant thing of the past.

As for Byrd, the Rethugs bring up his racist past, but he has shown he has changed. Farrakhan has not.

It's unfortunate that you cannot call bigotry what it is...bigotry! There is NO excuse for it.

[Hotep]

32. Well stated. The mentality in the week Democratic Party is driving many

African Americans away from it. This issue regarding the silence on a Horowitz vs the out cry when the name of Farrakhan's is even mentioned underscores this point.

[classysassy]

37. Those are the facts

your words are true and America can't stand the truth,when spoken by people of color.

[malaise]

38. I'm with you on this one

A lot of Farrakhan's message is very positive and his group has saved many young African-Americans.

[Name removed]

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[jaysunb]

9. Amen

and thank you .....

[buff2]

10. You go girl!

:hi:

[Name removed]

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[donheld]

13. I join you in that wish

It's sad so many democrats show such ignorance.

[donheld]

27. You are very ill-informed

:grr:

[SammyBlue]

39. Show me how I am ill-informed

Present me evidence that Louis Farakhan does not use hate speech and does not (and has not) burped anti-semetic platitudes, pandering to his base. PROVE YOUR STATEMENT THAT I AM ILL-FORMED.

[LostinVA]

40. He has also been extremely homophobic

And his recent, very sudden turn around makes me suspicious that it's opportunistic. He has said horrible things about gays and lesbians.

The gentleman HAS said some things that are very hurtful to some of us on DU, and we have a right to express this. We are not ill-informed, we are correct, but in no way does this diminish your respect for him.

[The Stranger]

36. It is a common Right Wing tactic to order others not to ever associate

with the "enemy."

That way, no one will ever do something as simple as ask a question: Why is there a "War on Terror"? Do "these people" really "hate us"? Aside from the media labels, what do these people really stand for?

Because these are the questions that destroy mass injustice based on power. These are the questions that destroy racism. These are the questions that set people free from oppression. These are the questions that empower all people.

[KittyWampus]

18. DemsCan Do Better Than ANSWER & The Black & Muslim Community Can Do Better

than Louis Farrakhan.

It's good to know there'll be an event for people to come together and air grievances and offer one another comfort and assistance.

I'm sure CSPAN and mediawhores will go out of their way to capture the most extreme elements and voices on tape and get them on the air.

[Tomee450]

19. I know very little about Answer

but I do know that Farrakhan offers a positive message to the black community, and we need that. Farrakhan preaches against illegitimacy, warns against engaging in criminal behavior, encourages blacks to support each other, advises them to go to school and get a good education,counsels against immoral behavior and drug use. We need more prominent black people to preach the same message.

I am not a member of the Nation of Islam but am aware that it has done some positive things in the black community. In Chicago, the presence of the NOI in some of the housing projects greatly reduced crime and it was done without carrying arms or using violence. They were well respected by the residents who were happy that their children could play outside once again and they could ride elevators without fear. Then the establishment which disliked the NOI and resented the organization being paid for its services, applied pressure and the NOI was removed. So much for caring about the unfortunate residents of the area. The NOI was able to do what law enforcement could not, but to some people that did not matter. They only cared that their hatred of Farrakhan and the NOI be satisfied, even if to do so would have and adverse effect on hundreds of helpless people.

[Roy]

35. Pretty much the same thing happened to ....

If I remember right an organization by .... was it Tupac? Who were stopping gangs from fighting each other and focus on positive issues. Seeing too much progress the efforts was broken up by the authorities.

Memory is getting old.

[Algorem]

29. Speaking of Katrina,heard part of Jesse Jackson radio show-Greg Palast

was on,about Katrina,New Orleans,and Bush.I don't know if it's archived on this sight or if you have to listen to it live because I don't feel like finding the speakers for this thing and putting them back on,but what I heard of it was good stuff:

http://www.keephopealiveradio.com/



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