Biden: Chance of Alito Filibuster Higher.

[autorank]

Great, this guy even questions "one man,one vote." What a screw ball. This is actually a brilliant strategy. Biden says this has to be "cleared up" which means, it can't, "we already have him." It also means Alito gets portrayed and anti-womens rights (abortion) AND anti-minority (one man, one vote. LETS NAIL HIM."

Biden: Chance of Alito Filibuster Higher

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051120/ap_on_go_co/alito

1 hour, 1 minute ago

WASHINGTON - The views that Samuel Alito expressed on reapportionment in a 20-year-old document could jeopardize his Supreme Court nomination and provoke a filibuster, a leading Democratic senator said Sunday.

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"The part that jeopardizes it (Alito's nomination) more is his quotes in there saying that he had strong disagreement with the Warren Court particularly on reapportionment — one man, one vote," Biden told "Fox News Sunday."

"The fact that he questioned abortion and the idea of quotas is one thing. The fact that he questioned the idea of the legitimacy of the reapportionment decisions of the Warren Court is even something well beyond that," Biden said.

In the document, Alito wrote, "In college, I developed a deep interest in constitutional law, motivated in large part by disagreement with Warren Court decisions, particularly in the areas of criminal procedure, the Establishment Clause and reapportionment," he said.

Biden said the chances of a filibuster against Alito had increased because of Alito's assertions in the document.

"If he really believes that reapportionment is a questionable decision — that is, the idea of Baker v. Carr, one man, one vote — then clearly, clearly, you'll find a lot of people, including me, willing to do whatever they can to keep him off the court. ... That would include a filibuster, if need be," Biden said.

The Supreme Court, in a 6-2 decision in 1962 in Baker v. Carr, ruled that arbitrarily drawn legislative districts can be challenged in federal court.

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[wryter2000]

1. Please let the spine transplant take this time

Come on, Biden. Come over to the bright side. Leave the demon forces behind. Remember the Bork hearings that you chaired so well. Do it, Biden. (Why do I have no confidence that he'll stand up for what's right?)

On edit: "One man/one vote" came up in a very significant fashion in the Bork hearings. It may have been the same decision. You can imagine where Bork stood on it.

[salin]

2. In post Katrina america

(where images and GOP comments linger in the public memory) this could generate even more ripples of backlash. The "broad coalition" of interest groups digging around to find and trumpet his record seems to be having some real effect.

[autorank]

6. Who knows what will show up next.

Here's a question for him: "Do you believe that all legislation from the New Deal is unconstitutional?" Smoke him out on the wacko notion some of the "Federalists" have to that effect.

[salin]

11. interesting... ala new deal era... compare views on FDRs attempt to pack

the court - vs. the GOP plan to "split" a court that they don't like.

[northzax]

3. please note that Biden didn't say the headline

the host said that. Biden said he wanted to hear Alito explain himself.

[autorank]

4. You just noted it;). I just copied it from the story and put it there.

Trying to follow LBN rules. I'm not deleted yet so maybe this time, just maybe... Not the minimal commentary, lack of obscenities. I'm working the program here.

[northzax]

7. I wasn't correcting you, just the headline

it's not your fault AP writes bad headlines.

[autorank]

13. Every error on LBN is my fault! Just being defensive. My problem.

And AP both writes bad headlines and good 'teases.'
:hi:

[0007]

12. Doing a good job autorank. n/t

[autorank]

15. "Thank you. Thank you very much." Lets hope Biden & Reid come

through. They've been around long enough to know how to lock down the Senate if this guy proceeds. Ultimately, they can put a personal hold on this guy, which is anonymous and cannot be lifted. That would make the point. The Senate would never give up that option.

I want these judges on the Supreme Court (on top, associate justice & below for Chief Justice - when Roberts goes).


Judge Milian current People's Court Judge


Judge Joseph Wapner, Peoples Court Judge Emiritus (did ads against Arnie)

[Cassandra]

5. Why couldn't Biden have been a bit cagey for a change...

and said, wait and see, when first asked about a filibuster? He's so busy cutting off our options before we have a chance to consider them, just to hear himself speak.

[northzax]

8. that's what he did say

I watched the interview. they were trying to pin him down, but he kept saying he wanted to hear what Alito had to say before anything else happened.

when pressed, he did say he would support a filibuster for anyone who didn't support 'one man, one vote'

[Cassandra]

22. Now, but a few weeks ago...

he was confidently predicting that there would be no filibuster. If he'd kept his mouth shut then, he would look better now, when he's saying something sensible.

[northzax]

23. new information has come to light

I think the whole 'one man one vote' issue puts the filibuster back on the table. When you learn more information, your position can change, don't you think?

[ktowntennesseedem]

41. That only works for Republicans.

If you're a Dem, then everything you've ever said and every position you've ever taken is for eternity. If you ever said a filibuster was or wasn't an option, you have to stick with it. (Just like if you ever voted for the war, you have to forever support it.) What new evidence? Doesn't matter if you're a Dem.

But for Repubs it's a different matter. Against voting rights? Ever speak ill of minorities? Think slavery wasn't such a bad idea? It doesn't matter--those were just YOUTHFUL INDISCRETIONS!!! All is forgiven; we know you don't REALLY think like that anymore!

:sarcasm:

[0007]

18. I know what ya mean. There are times I could strangle Biden

and there are times when he's hitting on all eight.

[maddezmom]

9. thanks for posting

first I've seen of this. :)

[autorank]

16. You're welcome!!! n/t

[depakid]

10. Every time Biden goes on one of those shows

it's a crapshoot to see whether the self-styled primadonna will say something to really hurt th Dems- or just make them look like weak and foolish.

No mention of Alito's blatant conflict of interest- ruling in a case he had a financial interest in- and his lies about what he'd do during the last confirmation hearings , eh?

The ONE issue that transcends any of this bantering over his far right views- the one thing- corruption- that the American people could understand, and Biden doesn't mention it.

The ONE issue that could actually bring the Dems back to power- or at least relevance.

Can't SOMEBODY GET THAT CREEP OFF TV EVERY WEEK?

[autorank]

17. "Not withstanding" his random tirades and total lack of focus, I'd say

he looks really good, looks like a Senator. He needs to go see "The Wizard" and get a brain that functions on task. You're completely on target. Why is he on every week? They like the show. It's like NASCAR, you never know when there will be a wreck.

Of course John Murtha would be a perfect guest. He's so smart, he probably avoids those news people like the plague.

[stevietheman]

14. Alito's opposition to democracy itself means he must be defeated...

AT ALL COSTS.

[RazzleDazzle]

19. Well, that makes it perfectly clear

that women and women's lives aren't all that important to Biden:

"If he really believes that reapportionment is a questionable decision — that is, the idea of Baker v. Carr, one man, one vote — then clearly, clearly, you'll find a lot of people, including me, willing to do whatever they can to keep him off the court.

Yeah, that's pretty important, all right. But so is the right to choose, Joe, so is the right to sovereignty over our own bodies.

Fuck you, Senator.

[Warren Stupidity]

26. Thanks - exactly what I thought.

I was wondering what changed - as alito was already proven to be a foaming anti-choice cretin. Senator Hairplug must have gotten some poll numbers regarding alito and his '08 campaign.

[RazzleDazzle]

29. Wait til he gets the poll numbers among

disaffected pro-Choice women for his '08 campaign. Better yet, I hope some terrific, assertive, pro-Choice woman runs against him.

[iamjoy]

32. Maybe You're Reading Too Much Into This

I don't think Senator Biden's statements mean he doesn't value choice, I think it means he recognizes what tactics will work and what won't.

I am strongly Pro-Choice, support Planned Parenthood and all. But, I think we have to be very careful with the abortion debate. Most Americans may not want to see abortion outlawed, but trying to justify it as a Constitutional right is a litle trickier. And many Americans would not believe it acceptable to hold up a judicial nominee for views on abortion alone. But, not believing in one person/one vote? That's almost as bad as a judicial nomineed disagreeing with Brown vs. Board decision.

Maybe what Biden is doing is changing the subject and framing the debate. Republicans have used this dual strategy to their advantage. Look how they made gay marriage such an issue in the last election. Senator Biden has been very disappointing on several progressive issue over the years, but I still trust him on women's rights.

[Polemonium]

50. Easy...

Which plan do you think has the greater chance of success?

Alito doesn't believe in democracy as we know it (one man, one vote), or Alito is anti-choice?

After 2+ decades of watching the right wingnuts go frothing mad on choice, you want us to fire them up again?

This gets the same thing done, but smartly paints Alito as un- democratic.

[corporatemedia]

20. Well your record is now 2-16! I'm betting you'll have...

a .500 record in no time!



(Edited because I like to edit.)

[unblock]

21. well IT'S ABOUT F$CKIN' TIME!!!!!

[autorank]

33. Oh, I'm a made man!!!!! I got a mod post to an LBM thread by me,

autorank. I had one in 2004 and wow, two street legal LBN threads in 2005 (measured against the 20 or so rightfully set aside).

You're right it's time. Fuck these people who think they can come along and take away all of our rights just because they're uptight control freaks.

Excellent post!!!

[AX10]

24. !Filibuster!

[ninkasi]

25. Thanks for posting, Autorank...

Looks like you're the first! Ailito needs to be kept off of the Supreme Court. He is clearly anti women and minorities, and pro corporations. Now, he doesn't even favor one man-one vote, and wants to end Roe vs. Wade. I know he's tried to explain his previous position away, but that just means he lies. The time for a filibuster is now.

For our Dems who are afraid of the "nuclear option", remember this...if the threat of it keeps you from EVER using a filibuster, what have you got to lose by doing it now?

[autorank]

34. "Personal hold" and you're welcome!!!

Thanks for the insightful comment. What on earth are they thinking about -- he doesn't agree with one man one vote. Well, genius that he is, Rhenquizzical wondered about Dred Scott.

Is our history becoming some sort of waking nightmare?

[Charlie Brown]

27. Alito must support the 3/5 clause in the Constitution n/t

[Kurovski]

28. K&R

Biden just might BEGIN to make up for his vote on the bankruptcy bill with this one.

Expose Alito to the light of day, and then send him back to his hidey-hole.

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[kurth]

31. Fair-weather Democrat, seeing low Bush polls, joins anti-Bush crusade

[autorank]

35. lol...Give him the boot.

After all, he is the senator from MBNA.

[Exiled in America]

47. seriously.

[4_TN_TITANS]

36. Biden...yeah right.

He talks a good talk behind closed doors with nothing but statewide Democratic leadership in the audience.

But, don't hold your breath waiting for him to make a controversial stand. What a whimpy ass DINO........

[autorank]

37. Biden's like that relative at the reunion that might go off at any time,

you just don't know; and if he does and it's not you in his line of fire, it's going to be quite a show.

He blew the Clarence Thomas hearing, blew it. I think that he'll follow but certainly not "get out of the way."

He should have been an actor.

[Patrick J Fitzgerald]

38. Sam is a good egg...

a little square, but I wouldn't have invited him to join my Klingon Scrabble Group if he wasn't kosher.

http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com :)

[autorank]

45. Here you go!

I had to share this with you. from a Yahoo story on Cheney:

"Meanwhile, Sen. Joseph Biden (news, bio, voting record) of Delaware, the senior Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee, said he wouldn't go as far as Murtha but would like to see a gradual transition out of Iraq over the next two years. "That will require the administration not to stay the course, but to change course," Biden told the private, nonpartisan Council on Foreign Relations in New York."

[LynneSin]

39. Biden has supported every filibuster since Bush was in office

And as much as you folks bitch about him on other issues (some rightly so), the man is the best when it comes to qualifying judges. I can almost guarentee a "NO" from Biden

[autorank]

40. Good. He's great when a) he's on the right track and b) it's high

stakes. He can take center stage on this and do a lot of good.

[Zhade]

42. So, when Biden votes for him, remember:

Biden is a liar.

(That's what a plagiarist is, after all. Deceptive.)

If he actually DOESN'T vote for the guy, I'll be one of the first to acknowledge the vote as proper.

I still won't particularly trust Biden, though.

[DaveColorado]

43. Alito is a true radical wingnut

We need to do whatever it takes to try and block him, and even if we fail we need to fight the good fight.

[Zhade]

44. I agree completely.

Welcome to DU, btw.

[upi402]

46. Dems have a great chance to show spine and crush a retreatung WH

or they could play it safe...
in the middle...
make nice...
hope for the best...
cower in the back...
hope big mean crooks are nicer next time...

[Thom Little]

48. When will the Dems stand up and say they'll filibuster FOR SURE??!!!

[Polemonium]

49. One man one vote, not too many Americans disagree with that

Alito is in the crazed fringe minority.

I like that one, spread the word.