GOP Wants to Create Secretive Gov't Agency

[tuvor]

By ANDREW BRIDGES, Associated Press Writer 18 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - By creating a federal agency shielded from public scrutiny, some lawmakers think they can speed the development and testing of new drugs and vaccines needed to respond to a bioterrorist attack or super-flu pandemic.

The proposed Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Agency, or BARDA, would be exempt from long-standing open records and meetings laws that apply to most government departments, according to legislation approved Oct. 18 by the Senate health committee.

Those exemptions would streamline the development process, safeguard national security and protect the proprietary interests of drug companies, say Republican backers of the bill. The legislation also proposes giving manufacturers immunity from liability in exchange for their participation in the public-private effort.

"We must ensure the federal government acts as a partner with the private sector, providing the incentives and protections necessary to bring more and better drugs and vaccines to market faster," Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., said when the Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions approved the bill.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051202/ap_on_go_ot/vaccine_agency

[ixion]

1. somone tell me again why rethugs get to hold on to the 'small government'

mantle, when all they do is spend money and create bloated, bogus agencies and departments (can you say DHS?), and spend money into oblivion. Yet, they claim to be the party of fiscal restraint and small government.

I'm sorry, I have to stop writing. My head is spinning from the massive illogic of that previous statement.

[Tace]

2. Every Day Another Step Deeper Into American Fascism

I'm depressed.

[DBoon]

12. "paging Doctor Mengele"

"please report to the secret experiments area"

[Javaman]

18. I was thinking the same exact thing, there own little trial and error farm

they are pigs.

[classysassy]

19. Pigs

pigs,are tasty those bastards are devil dogs.

[Javaman]

20. I don't know, I think Devil Dogs are quite tasty, cream filling and all...

maybe not pigs or devil dogs, more like rat puke. :)

[cantstandbush]

69. So if they secretly test humans, we will never know about it.

Syphilis scandal squared.

[katty]

97. they want MORE Secrecy?! look at trackrecord of lies so far!

[zbdent]

3. Okay, so let's allow them to test the drugs on humans

specifically, the small children of registered Republicans . . .

[leveymg]

4. And, release new drugs without testing them >

[zbdent]

8. Only to the righties

would be interesting to see how many of them would be ecstatic to have thalidomide babies . . .

[Yavin4]

10. They Have Plenty of Human Test Subjects

Gitmo
Homeless Katrina Hurricane victims
CIA Black sites around the globe
People who can't get food stamps

The list goes on and on.

[Nomen Tuum]

11. Can you say "TUSKEEGEE EXPERIMENT" boys and girls??????????

How much more of this are we going to allow?

[justabob]

21. Apparently its ok to test pesticides on small children, why not drugs?

Reading about these new rule changes is really stunning. It really does read like a page from Mengele's book.

http://www.organicconsumers.org/epa6.cfm

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/09/15/MNG2NENN801.DTL

[rodeodance]

5. its a bad sign --from all angles.

[Tippy]

6. The first question that should be asked is

Will Bush Cheney and their families volunteer to have the drugs tested on them.....

[Bridget Burke]

7. Science runs on "information"

The hell with the drug companies. Of course, "streamlining" means removing regulations.

[0007]

9. Worked with Dick Cheney.

The real sell will be, to keep things secret so the government can bring to trial this admistration & junior in a quick type of orderly action. wink wink!

ABRAMOFF’S SCANDAL PARTNERS INCLUDE BUSH PIONEERS, THE MOB, U.S. DEFENSE CONTRACTORS, AND "PROFESSIONAL CHRISTIANS"

What’s being hidden from view is a graveyard filled with spirits from the major unresolved American scandals of the recent past.


Real American Hero

Read all about Here If ya indeed care

[BanzaiBonnie]

13. This is what gets me --- and we should start using it against corporations

"We must ensure the federal government acts as a partner with the private sector, providing the incentives and protections necessary to bring more and better drugs and vaccines to market faster," Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., said when the Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions approved the bill.

Why must we ensure the federal government acts as a partner to business?

We must begin to address a little thing that I call

CORPORATE SOCIALISM

Take from the people and give to the corporations and then the corporations get their reward on both the front and back end of the deal.

Perhaps the general public will understand

CORPORATE SOCIALISM

better than fascism which is what it really is when the state and corporations are bonded.

[thecrow]

14. Don't they already HAVE enough "secret agencies"????

OSP, WHIG, PNAC, "The Shadow Gov't"... etc etc.....????????
It's bad enough they want to play with our lives and economics.
Now they want to venture into our health with no restrictions???

Things I thought I'd never say in 1999.
Good Lord!

[Brooklyn Michael]

15. "We must ensure the federal government....

"....acts as a partner with the private sector to ensure that general public doesn't find a damn thing about what we're doing, who we're doing it to, what ethical trespasses might occur, and certainly...CERTAINLY...to absolve us from any responsibility if something goes horribly, horribly wrong."

Because being held accountable for your actions is SO un-American.

[raysr]

16. Yeah, I'll bet they

do. The more they can hide the more $$$$$ they can steal for der Monkey!

[depakid]

17. Welp, Dems have the power to filibuster this

Like they do many Republican proposals.

And they have the ability to take action against DINO's who side with the far right.

Maybe once they start acting like an opposition party again- instead of just whining about things, people will see them standing up and start voting for them again.

Seems to me that this is yet another excellent place to start.

[NVMojo]

22. GOP Wants to Create Secretive Gov't Agency

If this doesn't have "crooks" written all over it, I don't know what does ...

WASHINGTON (AP) - By creating a federal agency shielded from public scrutiny, some lawmakers think they can speed the development and testing of new drugs and vaccines needed to respond to a bioterrorist attack or super-flu pandemic.

The proposed Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Agency, or BARDA, would be exempt from long-standing open records and meetings laws that apply to most government departments, according to legislation approved Oct. 18 by the Senate health committee.

Those exemptions would streamline the development process, safeguard national security and protect the proprietary interests of drug companies, say Republican backers of the bill. The legislation also proposes giving manufacturers immunity from liability in exchange for their participation in the public-private effort.

"We must ensure the federal government acts as a partner with the private sector, providing the incentives and protections necessary to bring more and better drugs and vaccines to market faster," Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., said when the Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions approved the bill.

more...

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/bw-other/2005/dec/02/120200005.html

[savemefromdumbya]

23. OMG

4th Reich

[NVMojo]

28. ...and don't forget, isn't it Rumsfeld who has stock in Tamiflu???

[savemefromdumbya]

32. our congressmen should be making a song and dance about this one!

letters to senators please

[stickdog]

67. How was the GOD DAMN Chairman of the Board of the company

that invented it up until the time Bush appointed him Secretary of Defense!

[JerseygirlCT]

45. Took the words out of my mouth. nt

[KittyWampus]

24. How many microbiologists were found dead? They already have this Dept

just like OSP. They talk about it, it gets shot down, but they go ahead and do it anyway.

[lovuian]

70. I agree the testing is going on even now!!!

the test subjects are the abandoned in society!!!
free test subjects... this sends chills down my spine!!!

[IA_Seth]

25. Not usually a conspiracy advocate....

but to me this sounds like the type of group that would end up doing testing on citizens, unbeknownst to them of course.

Similar to our treatment of Native and African Americans.

Scary shit indeed.

[Megahurtz]

26. So THIS is why they started the Bird Flu scare!

:tinfoilhat:

[KittyWampus]

27. Did the US Govt ever find out who sent that Govt. Grade Anthrax to Dems?

[savemefromdumbya]

30. the gov knew that the gov sent out the anthrax

[Solon]

46. It was both a dry run on the lethality of Anthrax...

as a bioweapon, by certain segments of the government, and at the same time, political intimidation by the GOP against Democrats.

[LeftHander]

29. Another ONE!!

how many do we need....

[sui generis]

31. Here's a short answer: NO.

You had me at hell no.

[Neocondriac]

33. Just another step along the way to .....

The New World Order.These are dangerous times.

[Megahurtz]

36. This is Truely Frightening.

:scared:

[savemefromdumbya]

34. Nominate this for the DU main page

they sneak these things through. Thanks for reminding us.

[triguy46]

35. Everything they want to do requires secrecy, and for good reason...

It includes selling out the public, using protected information for political gain, getting a rolls royce and antique commodes, making sweetheart deals with big business.

When will this madness stop? Can we not now say, after the Katrina disaster, that these assholes are incompetent, untrustworthy, criminal, greedy, avaricious, self centered and will not do ANYTHING that will help the public. Enough is enough. We know they have no shame, that is apparant every day.

LAstly, their small, insipid, and fundie based view of science is a threat to all of us. You cannot do research in a vacuum, it requires interaction, it requires testing, it requries peered review. Who is guarding the frickin hen house with these charlatans in charge? The party of incomeptence, of big spending and passing debt to future generations must be stopped.

[savemefromdumbya]

38. the lengths they go to, to cover up take 9/11

you just have to look at the whitewash of the 9/11 commission. The head personnel FAA and NORAD should have been jailed. The heads of our military should have been courtmarshalled and jailed. In fact the whole Bush administration should have been jailed. Why were Bush and Cheney let off. They should have testified under oath. Families of the victims however are not going to let this rest.........

[Triana]

37. This has corporatocracy/plutocracy written all over it...

...at the expense of the general public, of course.

"protect the proprietary interests of drug companies"..."give manufacturers immunity from liability..."..."We must ensure the federal government acts as a partner with the private sector".

...REALLY? Isn't that what they ALWAYS do? Corprat welfare - the rest of us bedamned. Let's just let the corprats put any damned drug on the market they want whenever they want and if/when it kills someone or otherwise ruins their health and lives - no liability whatsoever. Just feed the public whatever - no safeguards, nothing.

AS IT IS, the FDA and our gov't doesn't do enough to ensure drugs that ARE ALREADY ON THE MARKET are safe - and ones that are PROVEN SAFE (ie: RU-486, contraceptives, etc.) they try to keep OFF the market due to the CONservatives' EMOTIONAL RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

The utter stupidity, lack of ANY reason, irony, danger, underhandedness, and SLEEEZE in all this is just mind-boggling.

WHO thinks that MORE gov't in bed with business is going to PROTECT the Public?

Not me...what a load of horse crap.

[Ilsa]

39. Have the Rethugs all line up for their experimental vaxes.

Yeah, I figured that. Just like them showing up for their TANG duty.

[nashville_brook]

40. CODE NAME: Capt. TRIPS

[Pastiche423]

57. I just re-read

The Stand after twenty+ years. The whole time I was reading, I thought of what our government is doing now.

[W stands for Wacko]

41. This time they are trying to appear as if they asking for permission?

Just Say NO!

That should work just as well as their campaign against drugs did!

[The Backlash Cometh]

42. Oh, fuck you. FUCK YOU ALREADY!

The GOP stopped being Americans a long time ago. They are beyond crooked.

[adarling]

43. I thought the super secret agency was the CIA or NSA

i hate these people...i really do...:wtf:

[Clara T]

44. Bio-weaponry

will certainly be a big part of this as it has been for literally centuries.

[K-W]

47. Wow, was just reading about Imperial Japan's "Epidemic Prevention" program

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=9205

Japan's Unit 731 remains central to the fiercely contested China-Japan controversy over war crimes and war memory, and to the international debate on science and ethics. With a staff of more than 10,000, including many of Japan's top medical scientists, 731 and its affiliated units conducted human experiments, including vivisection, on Chinese and other victims in Manchukuo and throughout China between 1933 and 1945. The experiments tested, among other things, the lethality of biological weapons and sought to determine the ability of the human body to survive in the face of various pathogens and in conditions such as extreme cold.

[NVMojo]

48. holy smoke!

[NVMojo]

49. I apologize to the original poster, this is a dupe, can we combine?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1960802

[librechik]

50. mandatory bird flu vaccine? That'll be ready as soon as we strain

the bird guts.

Quit complaining, it'll only cost half what the mandatory anthrax vaccine costs.

[Shadoobie]

51. Does DARPA even run this way?

From my understanding BARDA was supposed to mimic DARPA. Research projects would be funded with emphasis placed on really cutting edge research that may not get the funding from other traditional agencies.

Something smells here.

Greg

[madmark]

52. Worst ffing idea I have ever heard, and would be the case if dems

had recommended instead of the reps. Secret governmental special interest organs devoted cronysm. Does it get worse?

[ContraBass Black]

53. Whoa.

I was expecting a piece from the Onion.

[ailsagirl]

54. self-delete

[Skidmore]

55. They don't have enough of them?

[Us vs Them]

56. Shielded from public scrutiny?

By creating a federal agency shielded from public scrutiny, some lawmakers think they can speed the development and testing of new drugs and vaccines needed to respond to a bioterrorist attack or super-flu pandemic.

That pesky public. Always caring about lame stuff like 'side-effects,' long term usage harms, and where the money leads.

[HuffleClaw]

58. "protect the proprietary interests of drug companies"

and no oversight? egad, this is truly scary. 'immunity from liability' too. this says 'bioweapons research' to me.

[Wordie]

59. The drug industry wishes to avoid publication of its research.

The drug industry has been taking lots of hits in the US press lately, this is probably some industry person's brilliant idea to avoid such pesky scruitiny. The drug industry wishes to avoid publishing its research on the drugs it sells; there have been moves to require publication of all such research. I sure hope the Dems are not gonna let this one get by them. The industry claims that the reason for resisting the publication of research data is that proprietary information would be exposed, and vulnerable. But there is evidence that for instance, when the results of an industry study suggest that a drug is not effective, or even dangerous, that information is withheld from the public. There are many ways to achieve the ends of supporting US industry without resorting to this sort of scary secret method, which puts the US consumer at risk.

There is an easy way to protect proprietary interests, while still assuring the public is protected. Pass a law requiring that the public have access to all research studies, but with the formulas and other proprietary information blacked out or otherwise obscured. The specific formulation of a drug is not necessary when a scientist wishes to review the research design or outcomes.

All of us at DU can see how well secrecy has worked for the administration so far......what's up with Fitzgerald, btw?

[xchrom]

60. facists love this secret agencies and drugs crap, don't they?

[firefox]

61. Can you say "medical facsism"? nt

[Straight Shooter]

62. History of Secret Experimentation on U.S. Citizens, 1931 - 1997

Genuine, documented cases where our "government" decided, hey, why not experiment on citizens? They can't fight back!

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/experimentation.html

Here are three splendid experiments *gag* from that link:

1932 The Tuskegee Syphilis Study begins. 200 black men diagnosed with syphilis are never told of their illness, are denied treatment, and instead are used as human guinea pigs in order to follow the progression and symptoms of the disease. They all subsequently die from syphilis, their families never told that they could have been treated.

1935 The Pellagra Incident. After millions of individuals die from Pellagra over a span of two decades, the U.S. Public Health Service finally acts to stem the disease. The director of the agency admits it had known for at least 20 years that Pellagra is caused by a niacin deficiency but failed to act since most of the deaths occured within poverty-striken black populations.

1940 Four hundred prisoners in Chicago are infected with Malaria in order to study the effects of new and experimental drugs to combat the disease. Nazi doctors later on trial at Nuremberg cite this American study to defend their own actions during the Holocaust.

[zann725]

63. So they'll "test" these drugs on the poor, and Medicare patients?

But because it's a "secret" government program, those "tested" probably won't be told. Why go to a Third World Country (as in "Constant Gardener"), when there's enough secret government protection "at home?"

The inmates, the poor, the elderly and sick (Medicare recipients) may very well soon "pre-test" drugs intended to "protect" more "valuable" members of society.

[tabasco]

64. Yes, maybe put drugs in the drinking water without our knowledge.

[MountainLaurel]

65. Don't they have enough already?!

Kee-rist.

[stickdog]

66. Do you get it now, SUCKERS???

Avian flu is currently NOT contagious through human to human contact.

It would require a series of random genetic mutations (or willful genetic engineering) to make it contagious among humans.

Now, do all of you understand what is going on here? The Repukes' proposed "cures" are far more dangerous and insidious than any potential threat of a naturally occurring pandemic!

[Generator]

72. I try to not be paranoid nutter with tinfoil

I really do. But when Bush pays attention to something, and cares about something I get suspicious.He ignores global warming, our cities, anything to do with history, and most of the rest of the world and suddenly is concerned with the bird flu. Why? Why not wait until many deaths and it's a crisis like his his normal m.o.?

Hmmmm..just like he was for social security reform for me huh?

[NuttyFluffers]

68. why does my deeply cynical mind first think, "Mengele"?

perhaps i'm just jaded. or perhaps i've read too much about how *everything* these people say is the opposite. hmm, womder what bliss it'd be like to watch 'survivor' and be oblivious to this... nah, wouldn't trade consciousness for 'bliss,' i'd feel like a hog ready for slaughter.

[Generator]

71. This is Scooter Libby's wet dream come true

Apparently he's still on the case. Germs was his fascination, he wanted to get everyone in the country innoculated against Smallpox. And guess who wrote the book Germs, you know, Ms. I wrote whatever I wanted until that mean Fitzgerald man stopped me and I was forced to take millions in "retirement".

Don't tell me "they" yes dammit-they are an evil cabal of insiders that are trying to make everything secret and under their control aren't behind this. Libby's one of the gang.

Secret WHIG. Secret energy meetings. Secret health department. Is this a science fiction movie or America?

[lovuian]

73. I swear we are in the XFiles looking at the Smokin Man's

agency!!!

[anotherdrew]

74. so why haven't the democrats pronounced this "dead on arrival"

I thought they were starting to get the clue that people expect them to fight shit like this, publicly, as well as with their votes.

[NVMojo]

76. send it to Reid with a letter asking him to stop it now!!

[BjohnsonMN]

75. This is sickening...spread it widely

No reasonable American could possibly support this. This issue could not help the GOP at all, so let us fight this one hard. The only way they win on this issue is if people ignore it, we can not allow this to come to a vote before the public knows what is being voted on.

[BenDavid]

77. bush knew

Bush knew that 11 soldiers were killed in Iraq before he went into the rose garden to give some good news on the economy Friday morning. As you will recall he did not mention it. 26 minutes later after his speech the news broke to the press. McCellan said bush knew before he gave the speech....

[CoffeeCat]

78. I really don't get this at all...DARPA all ready performs these functions.

It seems as though the only difference between DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Project Agency), an arm of the DOD--and BARDA--is that BARDA would be shrouded in secrecy.

Certain branches of DARPA are solely devoted to the research, exploration and study of biomedical "countermeasures" that could help the human body fend off attacks from a biological attack. The research topics that these Republicans are wanting to house under BARDA--are currently covered within DARPA

Obviously, the sole purpose of BARDA--is to create a DARPA that operates under rules of secrecy and without accountability.

I find this news to be incredibly frightening.

The CIA is subject to the Freedom of Information Act, but this new agency--which researches and explores biological terrorism, vaccines and pharmaceutical solutions in the event of bio-terror attacks---wants to hide in the shadows.

This is sick. It's nonsense.

Obviously, they want an agency that allows them to hide. People with nothing to hide--hide nothing. So, what in the hell are these people planning to do?

Everyone should be writing their local politicians and aggressively protesting this.

It really is outrageous.

[PinkyisBlue]

79. Twins

Watch for them to do some "research" on identical twins; twin A takes the little blue pill and twin B takes the purple pill. Oops, twin B became really sick and had to be hospitalized. I can't imagine why.

Perhaps with health care so expensive now, a person will be able to "volunteer" to participate in a drug study and will receive free health care for the duration of the study. And they will sign a waiver absolving the drug company of any liability if something goes terribly wrong during the study.

And all those babies born to poor women who can't afford to raise them will be put into orphanages and become wards of the state. Aha, willing child volunteers for testing new drugs and procedures!! The culture of life continues.

Meanwhile, the corporations will have absolutely nothing to risk and everything to gain (as will those government employees who are in on the scam). Spend the taxpayers money to develop new drugs, test the drugs on the above "volunteers" and, if the drug works, voila....sell to the government and public for top dollar, reaping rich rewards. If the drug is a failure and kills people, no biggie; because there's no liability by the drug company and it used public money to develop the drug, the company loses nothing and works to develop another drug. It's us, the taxpayer, who loses out once again.

[paineinthearse]

80. Is anyone monitoring BARDA?

I used the advanced serach for BARDA. In GENERAL alone there were 8 significant posts:

8 topics match your criteria General Discussion forum

An e-mail my mom wrote re: the bird flu--good points--URGENT!
Topic started by jackelope72 on Nov-13-05 08:44 PM (40 replies)

Last modified by Mojorabbit on Nov-14-05 11:38 PM
Frist urges germ spies (Action alert contacts here)
Topic started by Lori Price CLG on Nov-06-05 12:15 PM (2 replies)

Last modified by Lori Price CLG on Nov-06-05 01:14 PM
URGENT - CALL THESE POLITICIANS PUSHING FOR FORCED VACCINES !!!
Topic started by pola on Oct-23-05 07:46 PM (266 replies)

Last modified by Raine on Oct-25-05 09:36 PM
Holy shit drug companies immune from law!
Topic started by undergroundpanther on Oct-22-05 12:16 AM (75 replies)

Last modified by pola on Oct-23-05 07:42 PM
CHILLING IF TRUE: Rumsfeld To Profit From Avian Flu Hoax
Topic started by BigBearJohn on Oct-21-05 10:15 PM (53 replies)

Last modified by rosesaylavee on Oct-22-05 03:43 PM
Congress set to eliminate liability for vaccine injuries (Action alert!)
Topic started by Lori Price CLG on Oct-20-05 02:05 PM (8 replies)

Last modified by newyawker99 on Oct-20-05 05:07 PM
Rep Conyers: "if Members ... can't speak the truth to these wingnuts ..."
Topic started by understandinglife on Sep-30-05 11:06 PM (31 replies)

Last modified by understandinglife on Oct-02-05 05:31 PM
The Bush Mafia
Topic started by Octafish on Sep-10-05 01:23 PM (118 replies)
Last modified by Octafish on Sep-15-05 09:18 AM

[DallasNE]

81. Somebody Please Explain To Me

How a bill that removes both accountability and safeguards is in the public interest. Why is sunshine such a bad idea? And why should a company be exempt from liability for creating a defective product?

This Republican sponsored bill makes no sense. Nothing new there though.

[area51]

86. Welcome.

Welcome to DU, DallasNE.

[Nightwing]

82. Puts the exclamation point on let's get rid of these pricks

No way in hell should this stand. It smells to high heaven and will only lead to many more abuses by the Federal government. I could only imagine Faux news' outrage if a sitting Dem President proposed such a clandestine agency that would be above the law.

Damn them all to hell!!!

[No Exit]

83. Gad, they never give up, do they?

We now are everything we used to say the Soviet Union was.

[Lost4words]

84. Super Secret Intel Agency or SS for short, no doubt. n/t

[IowaGuy]

85. Yeah, right......

This is in our best interests and security to create a gov't agency beholden to nobody with no public oversight (sarcasm off)....why do the repugs hate an open, free and democratic govt? This is just another port for corrupt politicians and bureaucrats, politicians to exploit for their own personal gain at the expense of of the American taxpayer....

[enough]

87. kick

[TankLV]

88. First - I don't trust ANYTHING these repukes create in the first place!

They didn't get "elected" the first time around, and even if this was by some other administration that legally got elected and the got the most votes - this would still be bad.

And there are still some people on this board who still say it is unfair to compare these repukes to the Nazi's!

[Mojambo]

89. There are totally going to be Resident Evil Zombies if they do this. n/t

[anotherdrew]

90. they should make it an Organization insead of an Agency

Then it could be named BARDO

after the place they want to send us all.

[Selteri]

91. Yes, the secrecy we already have is so good at serving people.

I guess they are just wanting to emulate their heros... those who stood behind a man with a bad arm and lousy choice in mustache...

AKA The Nazi party.

[obreaslan]

92. Can't have nasty oversights, while we try to work out the Final Solution..

:scared:

[0007]

93. bttft

[myrna minx]

94. Kick for this sick story.

Let's hear it for the Republican secret torture pris ions, secret drug testing, secret search and seizure raids. God these people are sickos.

[DSperoRN]

95. Scariest thing yet?

So now the Bushites and their allies in the drug industry will get Federal money to develop new chemicals in secret, and be protected from any financial or criminal liability for the people they kill.
All to help "protect us from terror."

Sounds like a typical GOP program, but scarier.

[superconnected]

96. I thought we already had a secret gov agency in the white house.

Now the want to create more offices to create things to kill people.

[stickdog]

98. When Pusher comes to shove. (nt)

[Zorra]

99. When homeless folks start disappearing en masse

we'll have a pretty good idea of what happened to them.