Israel Lobbies Against "Palestine" Tag At Oscars

[FVZA_Colonel]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060212/film_nm/oscars_israel_palestinians_dc



Israel lobbies against "Palestine" tag at Oscars
By Dan Williams

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel and U.S. Jewish groups have lobbied organizers of next month's Academy Awards not to present a nominated film about Palestinian suicide bombers as coming from "Palestine," an Israeli diplomat said on Sunday.

With Israelis and Palestinians locked in conflict over national claims on the same land, the provenance of "Paradise Now" is as combustible an issue as its plot in the run-up to the March 5 ceremony, which will be watched by millions worldwide.

A drama about two men from the occupied West Bank recruited to blow themselves up in Tel Aviv, "Paradise Now" is a contender for the Oscar in the "best foreign film" category.

Many Israelis were irked when the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, in publishing the nomination, said "Paradise Now" came from "Palestine."

[JI7]

1. has anyone seen the movie ?

[Jim Sagle]

11. No.

[rinsd]

16. Yes.

While some may see it as sympathetic to the people even the tactic, I saw it as rather cold.

But the acting is excellent.

Worth a rent.

[Scurrilous]

19. Paradise Now Movie Page:

http://wip.warnerbros.com/paradisenow/

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

20. I liked it. n/t

[Tom Joad]

2. That is so pathetic. It was Palestine before it was "Israel".

[tatertop]

3. Pathetic and really really sad.

[Behind the Aegis]

6. And the US was Turtle Island.

[WCGreen]

7. Actually it was Cannan before that....

That crazy Cannanite lobby was shoveling money at Jack Abramoff...

To debunk the claim of the Philistines....

[Colorado Blue]

21. "Palestine" is a Greco/Roman derivation from the term

"Philistine", which means "invaders from the sea".

The "Philistines" were enemies of the Hebrews. Israel, which refers both to the people and to the land, has been the homeland of the Jews for over 3,000 years. As mentioned in the article below, the Romans gave the region the name Syria Palaestina, to erase Jewish ties to the land. The British, after conquering the Ottoman Empire, named Israel, Samaria, Judea and the Kingdom of Jordan, the Palestine Mandate.

"The earliest known mention of the name 'Israel', probably refering to a group of people rather than to a place, is the Egyptian Merneptah Stele dated to about 1210 BCE. For over 3,000 years, Jews have held the Land of Israel to be their homeland, both as a Holy Land and as a Promised Land. The Land of Israel holds a special place in Jewish religious obligations, encompassing Judaism's most important sites — including the remains of the First and Second Temple, as well as the rites concerning those temples. Starting around 1200 BCE, a series of Jewish kingdoms and states existed intermittently in the region for over a millennium. Recent archeological evidence suggests that the kingdoms of King David and King Solomon may have existed.

Under Babylonian, Greek, Roman, Byzantine, and (briefly) Sassanian rule, Jewish presence in the province dwindled due to mass expulsions. In particular, the failure of the Bar Kochba Revolt against the Roman Empire resulted in widescale expulsion of Jews. It was during this time that the Romans gave the name Syria Palaestina to the geographic area, in an attempt to erase Jewish ties to the land. The Mishnah and Jerusalem Talmud, two of Judaism's most important religious texts, were composed in the region during this period.

The Arabs conquered the land from the Eastern Roman Empire in 638 CE. The area was ruled by various Arab states (interrupted by the rule of the Crusaders) before becoming part of the Ottoman Empire in 1517."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

[Colorado Blue]

22. No, it wasn't. Please study some history.

And please, stop trying to pretend we don't exist. We do. And our history in this land supercedes that of any such entity, which in any case was a term given by colonial, imperialist powers who expelled the Jewish people, by some 1200 years.

The Palestine Authority, or the Palestinian Territories, are the proper terms. If a state of Palestine existed, that would be the proper term, but since neither the Arabs in 1948, nor Arafat decided to make such a state, and war broke out instead, it doesn't.

[regnaD kciN]

4. What do they want it announced as...?

"The nominee from the 'Administered Territories'?" :eyes:

[fujiyama]

5. What would they prefer them being called?

The Israeli occupied Palestinian territories? Do they want to draw attention to that fact every time it is mentioned?

This idea of stating the other side does not exist is nonsensical. I'm sick of the fanatics like that psycho Ahmedinajad on one side calling for the destruction of Israel, but these idiots on the other side denying all Palestinian claims are annoying as well.

[rucky]

8. West Bankers? Gaza Strippers?

:shrug:

[Tom Joad]

12. I think the preference is to continue what was begun in 1948, and has

never stopped. That they will be forced, one way or another, to leave their homeland.

[regnaD kciN]

14. As I mentioned above...

...the trend among Occupation defenders has recently been to eliminate references to the "occupied territories" (which, after all, calls attention to their occupied status). As of the past year, I was seeing more and more references to "the disputed territories" (of course, if they're "disputed," it means they might be considered as belonging to Israel all along). Now, it has become increasingly common to simply refer to them as the "administered territories" (in other words, part of Israel, currently under military administration -- move along now, nothing to see here).

[Colorado Blue]

23. They should call it the Palestinian Authority. That's what it

is, it's a transition period, hopefully enroute to statehood.

[xchrom]

9. now there's a constructive use of one's time.

not so much.:eyes:

[DELUSIONAL]

10. Some people are so rigid --

to some their "god" gave them the land -- regardless of which ethnic group actually occupy the land.

Sort of like forcing a particular religious view on a secular event.

[Edward Copeland]

13. I have seen the movie

And it is quite good, though I haven't been able to see its four competitors. One note though: on the day of the nominations, when they announced its nomination they very clearly said it was from "the Palestinian Territories" and did not say Palestine.

[Colorado Blue]

24. It's not a matter of rigidity, at least not on the part of the

Jewish people. It's a matter of history, thousands of years of history, and a modern state that has been held against all the odds and through continuous warfare.

I believe "rigidity", refusing to recognize Israel, create the peace and stability necessary to help the Arab refugees and and ALSO recognize the losses of the 900,000 Jewish refugees from Arab lands, who now reside in Israel, applies to the 22 Arab League states, and to the people like Hamas who continue to wish to destroy Israel altogether.

[meganmonkey]

15. Oh man. As if the Academy will

suddenly give Palestine the credibility that much of the world has denied it. What a waste of time and energy. Why don't they spend their time...I don't know...encouraging peace instead of bullshit like this?

:eyes:

[Scurrilous]

17. State of Palestine:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine

The State of Palestine {Arabic: دولة فلسطين} was proclaimed on November 15, 1988 by the Palestinian National Council, the legislative body of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), in Algiers, by a vote of 253-46, with 10 abstentions. The declaration invoked the Treaty of Lausanne (1923) and UN General Assembly Resolution 181 in support of its claim to a "State of Palestine on our Palestinian territory with its capital Jerusalem". It became the most diplomatically successful of a number of efforts to create a Palestinian state, despite the fact that, because the State of Palestine did not have control over any territory at the time, it did not fulfill a typical requirement of an autonomous state — possession of sovereign territory. Currently, the Palestinian National Authority (PNA), along with the United States, the European Union, and the Arab League, envision the establishment of a State of Palestine to include all or part of the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem, living in peace with Israel under a democratically elected and transparent government.

The State of Palestine was recognized immediately by the Arab League, and about half the world's governments recognize it today. It maintains embassies in these countries (which are generally PLO delegations). The State of Palestine is not recognized by the United Nations, athough the European Union, as well as most member states, maintain diplomatic ties with the Palestinian Authority, established under the Oslo Accords (Leila Shahid, envoy of the PNA to France since 1984, was named in November 2005 representant of the PNA for Europe).

[IndianaGreen]

18. Too late, and too stupid to oppose!

Just as there are some people that don't want a Jewish state, there are others that want to deny a Palestinian state.