General's wife: Complaints aid enemy in Iraq

[saigon68]

ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Public griping by spouses of soldiers from the 3rd Infantry Division in Iraq could hurt the war effort by encouraging Saddam Hussein loyalists to continue their guerrilla war, according to the wife of the division's commander


http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/07/18/sprj.irq.letter/index.html

"Our nation's overall plan for our forces in Iraq is changing as the situation in Iraq changes."

"I know that many of you believe you should embark on a campaign to raise awareness of the need for to return. We need to be aware of a possible outcome of our outcries that could backfire on us directly."


EITHER YOU'RE WITH US TO HELP HALIBURTON EXXON ETC OR YOUR FOR SADDAM

WHAT A PANT-LOAD BY THIS WOMAN

[DrWeird]

1. Hey, bitch, you and your kind are the fucking enemy.

(sorry, got a bit carried away there. All these dumb bitches and whatnot).

[lebkuchen]

34. *bitch*

Are you making an appeal to liberals? Good luck.

Conservatives? Good luck.

Women? Don't even think about it.

[oustemnow]

41. yes, I've never heard a woman refer to another woman as a bitch

chortle, chortle.

[GainesT1958]

2. The next time she--or anyone else like her--says "Bring 'em on"...

Send HER over there...and "bring our troops on" HOME! :mad:

B-)

[rocktivity]

3. MA'AM! Well, duh--MA'AM!

She said Iraqis who see complaints by U.S. families could come to believe "that their continued attacks on American soldiers are having the desired effect and are diminishing the resolve of the American people to complete the task in Iraq."

But their continued attacks on American soldiers ARE having the desired effect and ARE diminishing the resolve of the American people to complete the task in Iraq! What do we accomplish by pretending that it doesn't?

rocknation

[Mithras61]

4. She sounds like Ari...

"Watch what you say..."

What a load of crap. As was noted before in similar threads, it is every troops right to gripe. It's also every American's right to express their discontent with the situation. I can't see how it's so horrible that the Iraqi's find out we're upset with the way this "mission" has been handled. I fail to see how saying that we need to put more troops on the ground to help deal with the problems, and to get UN/NATO countries involved indicates a weakness of resolve.

I didn't support the war, but now that we're there and committed, lets put enough resources there to actually do what we need to so we can get out as soon as possible!

Either that, or admit the entire thing was a dismal failure based on lies and fabrications, and get our people OUT. NOW.

One or the other. No more of these half-measures. No more of this "we don't need that many troops" BS that Rumsfeld et al seem to think makes them look tuff.

[oneighty]

Fighting from a safe area

she is double safe. General's wife and civilian.

Who cares what she thinks.

180

[underpants]

Yeah I doubt that a Gen.'s wife is inspire the troops

Shut up honey and go get your cheap liquor from the Class 6 store.

[MODemocrat]

49. Too many military wives wear their husband's rank on their sleeve

I know first hand, because of my civil service job in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas where my supervisor was the wife of a full bird colonel. Not a day passed, that she didn't somehow remind us peons of how important she was. She was was despisable and arrogant, and most likely a republican.

[Patriot_Spear]

5. What gall...

Her husband has a cozy REMF job while enlisted men are killed daily- nice.

[saigon68]

12. REMF

REMF=

REAR
ECHELON
MOTHER
FUCKER

Viet-Nam Vet slang ca 1968

[HawkerHurricane]

32. Viet-Nam Vet slang ca 1968

Older. At least WW2, perhaps older. Patton was quoted as saying that 'The Remfs in intell think the Germans won't fight' in a newspaper story. No definition was provided.

[saigon68]

33. You're probably Right

It fits a lot of martinet perfumed princes.

Like a LTC I had as a Squadron Commander

"Don't worry men, there's plenty of Glory for everyone"

[Flubadubya]

6. Yep, they're going off about this at CNN...

screeching around about how it emboldens the "enemy" and will just prolong and make their stay more difficult.

What the media whores (and all these others who are bitching) overlook is the fact that our military guys realize that we have no business having a military presence over there in the first place. I certainly don't see them as showing cowardice or being out of line... rather, they are showing good sense and practicality.

BRING 'EM HOME NOW!!!!!

[gratuitous]

19. Seems to me what they're upset about

Is the American people knowing that the soldiers are p-i-s-t mad about sitting around in the desert, watching while their comrades are getting picked off and ambushed.

Certainly the people doing the killing in Iraq know they're being successful when another body gets covered over.

The overseas media know what's going on, and they report fully to their readers, listeners and viewers all over the world.

The soldiers know something's up when someone doesn't come back from patrol.

The morgue detail knows someone has died when they get the call.

The transport people know when they're carrying coffins back to Dover AFB.

The handlers at Dover know when they're offloading coffins.

So, who doesn't know what the troops are thinking as their buddies are dying one by one in the desert heat? Are these REMFs upset because the American people are being informed? Why would that concern them?

Unless, of course, they don't want the people to know what their money and military are being spent on over in Iraq . . .

[study_war_no_more]

24. if my ass was in a foxhole

because a politician lied to the american people and then some nonenlisted officers wife called me unpatriotic because I pointed this out I would mail her a grenade.

[IndianaGreen]

39. The Iraqis have TV and electricity and they get to watch this stuff

NOT!

Someone ought to tell the General's wife that the spouses of our soldiers are not in the military and are thus free to speak up their minds.

I am curious if the General's wife is using an enlisted man or woman to chauffer her around when she goes shopping.

[northernsoul]

7. ok, but the CIC saying "bring 'em on" is fine and dandy

The odds of her hubby coming home in a box are pretty damn low. I'd like to see her dodging sniper bullets and RPGs in 120 degree heat while wearing heavy kevlar armor - I'd bet we'd hear a little grousing then!


FREE THE 3rd ID!

[Journeyman]

8. "Und don't blame me, you freak! . . .

I vas only following orders, but you? . . . You vas ordering followers!"

--Lenny Bruce, from the play, Lenny

[Patriot_Spear]

Can anyone name the last time we lost a General in a War?

Any takers?

[saigon68]

Viet-Nam 1968 n/t

[saigon68]

14. MAJOR GENERAL ROBERT WORLEY Killed July 23, 1968

Major General Robert Franklin Worley was Vice Commander, Seventh Air Force, Pacific Air Forces.
Killed July 23, 1968 when RF-4C Phantom aircraft crashed after being hit by ground fire approximately 65 miles northwest of Da Nang Air Base, South Vietnam

http://www.g2mil.com/awards.htm

[BiggJawn]

9. Anita Blount can Blow Me.

BRING 'EM HOME!!!!!

there, anita, Eat Me.

[BiggJawn]

10. Balky this morning, isn';t it?

In-advertent double-post....

[asjr]

11. complaints

Since when does the military have to take orders from the wife of a general? SHE has just made things worse. Does she sit in on classified meetings like Gen. Franks' wife?

[EOTE]

13. What enemy?

We are the Iraqi's liberators. They all love us there right? Dancing in the streets and all. And besides, what enemies we did have have long since been defeated, surely you remember "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED".

[Rex]

15. Demanding blind obedience aids the enemy.

Gen. Housewife needs to shut her trap and go sew a few flags so she can drape em over the coffins of our DEAD brothers and sisters when they come home in a pine box.

I'm madder than hell! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[mitchum]

16. Doesn't she have a tea party to plan?

Who really cares what she thinks?

[RapidCreek]

17. I wonder if my post at Military Wives Discussion Board....

yesterday had anything to do with this and all the rest of the "don't criticize the boss" hoopla on MSNBC, FAUX and CNN? This is what I posted.....Basically a rehash of what I posted here a couple of days ago, with links alone.

http://messageboards.ivillage.com/iv-rlmilitarywi


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It is VERY VERY important that you ladies read the following articles and share them with your husbands. General Abizaids lied today...and threatened non-coms legal rights to express themselves. Read about it here: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/World/iraq030716_Abizaid.html
Pay particular attention to this portion of the article: " "It's very unfortunate that soldiers, professional soldiers, made comments like that," he said in his inaugural briefing at the Pentagon after taking control of Central Command from Gen. Tommy Franks, who retired. "Whatever action may be taken, whether it's a verbal reprimand or something more stringent, is up to the commanders on the scene."

Officially, a soldier could be court-martialed for making such comments, although it is rare and is at the discretion of a commanding officer."

Now about why what he asserted, was a lie. A lie intended to quell vocalization of the growing unrest by our troops in Iraq. Officially, a non-commissioned soldier CANNOT be court-martialed for making such comments....and the following link will explain why: http://writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20030619_falvy.html

Further information on the UCMJ may be found here: http://www.military-network.com/main_ucmj/main_ucmj.htm

Please, I implore you to inform yourselves as much as possible on military law. Doing so may keep your husband alive.

Rapid Creek



I noticed that threats of "court martial" and the like are not being made anymore either. Now all we hear is empassioned pleas against encouraging troops to complain about being lied to. That such complaints make them Saddam loyalists more confident. Far as I can tell the "Saddam loyalists" are going to kill them one way or the other....and the surest way to get our men and women out of there is to support them as well as their legal rights of expression as US citizens.

It just amazes me that these fuckwits aren't as condescending to AWOL George when he challenges pissed off Iraqi's...no doubt the Friends and relatives of the 7000+ innocent civilians we have murdered ("Saddam Loyalists") to try and kill our soldiers, who were promised they would be home with their families by now but are instead doing security gaurd work for Kellog Browne and Root execs. Then again...I guess it is pretty easy to sit in your air conditioned estate home, drink mint juleps and pontificate when your kid or husband isn't the one wearing body armor, full length BDU's, humping an M-16 under fire, in 120 degree heat. Wonder how much Dos Equis the Bush twins sucked down this weekend? Wonder how the water skiing is in Kennebunkport Maine? Wonder if ole' Tommy Boy is enjoying his well deserved retirement? Wonder if the Supreme Commander quitting and comming home has encouraged any "Saddam Loyalists"?

RC

[saigon68]

20. Good Post

Thank you for this, this is what we need to do.

[qb]

18. How did she get on the fax list

for AssKKKroft's talking points?

(re: criticism = aiding & abetting the enemy)

[ichiro99]

21. Oh, she's probably right, in a way ...

But the troops are hurt simply by virtue of their being the troops, the cabal's mercenary forces. Summercamp soldiers and Rush Limbaugh diehards till a few weeks ago, the regime's Bible-totin' stormtroopers today.

Like us, now they've been informed: nay-sayers are unpatriotic. So for now, it behooves the invaders to just kill ragheads like they set out to do. Do that right, keep their mouths shut, they can come back to the New Order's peculiarly regressive career opportunitites -- many having to do with property seizure, prison workhouse 'law and order' scams, trickledown to preferred sectors of the culture.

Same as it ever was.

[AndyTiedye]

22. Are Troops Also Dying to Protect all those Fundie Christian Missionaries

...who swarmed over there after Saddam's government fell?

You betcha!

[ichiro99]

46. Fundamentalist Bible-worship cultists, and every other hue of ...

corporate-welfare fraudster -- not that all followers of Christ are over-attached to priviledge, of course.

As for workers' voices, grunts -- and taxpayers paying for the venture, too -- have to get look at this through management's eyes. They've got this great franchise they've developed over decades, coming out of WW2, the machine proven as an engineered means of transitioning away from economic downturn. Puts the money in all the right pockets... If only society could be kept on course: regressive taxation, xenophobic isolationism, deathroll obeisance to alpha-male cretins at the helm.

Takeover by the talibs.

Why the military and not, say, ...photovoltaics? Labor's cheaper. Recurring elite themes: prison-industrial complex, the immigration spigot, uncompensated overtime, adjusted-for-inflation wages stuck in the mid-'70s... And of course, military adventure.

Fifty years on, the operation's matured. On line and at the call of bankers, crime cartels, intel orgs, multi-generation elites -- anyone who'll fork over. With so fat a hijack in fruition, it looks real bad when dirt-level workers bitch. If the little opinionators weren't expendable, they wouldn't be there would they.

[oldcoot]

23. Could she be any more condescending?

I suspect that she comes from an upperclass background and expects the soldiers' spouses to defer to her because of her social standing. However, her arrogance will probably only make them more angry.

[WatchWhatISay]

25. So, now even our military men should WATCH WHAT THEY SAY?

Does nothing matter anymore except their damned agenda?

[Jack Rabbit]

26. Support the troops

Okay, as a vet, I'm quite aware that one can be punished under the UCMJ for undermining the authority of the President of the United States or the Secretary of Defense.

However, unless one considers those offices vacant (an assertion for which one could make a good case), then one must certainly recognize that the current occupants of those offices are a couple of habitual liars who long ago forfeited their right to any respectability. Not only are they liars, they are thieves and mass murderers.

Bush and Rumsfeld and Cheney and all the rest of them lied to the nation and the world about Iraq's military capability and the urgency of launching the invasion. They lied when they said that the Iraqi people would strew roses in the path of the troops all the way from Basra to Baghdad. They lied to the troops themselves when they told them their duty in Iraq would be short.

They lied when they said this war was to liberate Iraqis and bring democracy to that nation. This war was fought to expropriate the wealth of Iraq's natural resources. They lie when they call a bunch of assembled quislings a national council and they lie when they say that all there is to Iraqi resistance is remnants of Saddam's loyalists. Occupation is not liberation; colonialism is not democracy.

For my part, I have no desire to be a subject of the PNAC empire and every desire to be a free man in a democratic state.

To that end, I support the natural right of all, including the troops, to speak out against this abomination and to call for contrition from the liars and thieves who sent them to from their homes to do their dirty work for them.

[roguevalley]

27. a military hierarchy makes the english aristocracy look like wankers

the pecking order is set in stone and wives often equate themselves
as having equal rank as their husbands.

She obviously 'wears' her stars too. And I am clear in my mind that
she has alienated every wife, child, mother, father, etc. that exists in the military. If she mouthed off on her own, then she can bite me. If she did so under 'orders' than she can bite me.

Bitch.

[MODemocrat]

50. Great Message Jack Rabbit

From someone who's been there, make's it feel so right. Thanks

[Guaranteed]

28. Those darned soldiers....

must be the least patriotic of all of us, to her...Helping the enemy by being sick of getting shot at and watching their buddies killed. How unAmerican. PLEASE, lady. Look who you're talking to!

[saigon68]

42. She doesn't hear the little people

obviously upper crust pass the tea dear.

[damnraddem]

29. To the general's wife: lack of complaints aids enemy in WH.

If you want to speak out against GI and GI-family complaints, I suggest you first go to Iraq for a few months and then do so.

[LiberalLibra]

30. Hey bitch, you're the enemy asshole!!! I say.....

.... :nuke: them and rid our country of this totalitarian lieing dictator and his enablers.

[drb]

31. OK, she's all for fighting, so...

...give the bitch a gun!

"Here's your foxhole and your MRE, lady! Oh, and they might try to shoot your ass, so keep your head down, ok?"

[revcarol]

35. Officers are generally removed from their duties and transferred

if they cannot control their dependents, specifically their wives. This woman is speaking in an inappropriate fashion. When's your transfer, General?

[lebkuchen]

36. What next? Blame the dead soldiers of the 3rd ID

for the "Saddam loyalists" being successful in offing them?

In times like these, officers' wives are about as useful to the enlisted as the officers themselves.

Trotting out the missus is an act of Bushie desperation, nothing more nor less. At least it can't hurt Hubbie's career.

[drscm]

37. Yes, SACRIFICE your spouse and your children for the greater good,

Bush's* Corporation of American!

[Rebellious Republican]

38. Want to help these families? Heres how you can support them...

http://www.mfso.org/

Military Families Speak Out is an organization of people who are opposed to war in Iraq and who have relatives or loved ones in the military. We were formed in November of 2002 and have contacts with military families throughout the United States, and in other countries around the world.

As people with family members and loved ones in the military, we have both a special need and a unique role to play in speaking out against war in Iraq. It is our loved ones who will be on the battlefront. It is our loved ones who will risk injury and death. It is our loved ones who will return scarred from having injured innocent Iraqi civilians.

If you have family members or loved ones in the military and you are opposed to this war, join us. Send us an e-mail at [e-mail] .

:kick:

[DS1]

40. Officers' spouses, the most annoying form of human on the

face of the earth.

[saigon68]

43. A VERY ANGRY BUNCH

Nothing like an Alpha Female Officer's Wife (AFOW), who has had her precious household goods damaged in a military move, by local moving contractors.
I saw this once (I was called to document the damage)and she convinced me that HANNIBAL LECTOR was positively sane compared to her highness

LOL.

[deneb]

44. General Blount is a good guy

He's already in trouble for his oft-quoted "This is not the enemy we wargamed against".

His 3rd ID were the spearhead that took Baghdad. His soldiers rightly thought they'd done their duty and would go home by say.. July.. err, September.. sometime next year, maybe.

General Blount should have blasted CiC Bush for his dumbass, bellicose "Bring 'em on" taunt. Perhaps he will. General Wesley Clark clearly (and softly) called Bush on that. Irresponsible?

Blount will face further heat for what his soldiers said, frank and candidly. The TV media asked for words that the dejected faces of the soldiers in still-photos suggested. I hope General Blount prevents any g-damn Pentagon retribution against his soldiers. He deserves better than to be called REMF.

His wife shouldn't have said what she did. Yet, WTF, she's a bitch and should be shot and killed in Iraq?

</rant>

[susu369]

45. Ah, Miss Goody Shoes Anita is "religious" to boot

From the front page of "Florida Baptist Witness" -

http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:WqvvFRCJ5c8J:www.floridabaptistwitness.com/+%22anita+blount%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

--photo--
Anita Blount (l), wife of Maj. Gen. Buford C. Blount III, 3rd Infantry Division (Mech.), lights the candle of Tina LeMaster (r) at the candlelight ceremony on Military Spouse Appreciation Day May 9 at Ft. Stewart in Georgia. LeMaster's husband, Staff Sgt. Shane LeMaster, is deployed to Iraq.

--snip--

nuff said

[prolesunited]

47. Onward Christian soldiers!

n/t

[onager]

48. Old Marine Story About General's Wives...

Back when I was in the Marines, many years ago, I heard a story at every base where I was stationed. I suspect it's an Urban Legend, since it always happened to "a friend of a friend," etc.

But it sort of fits Mrs. Blount's bonehead remarks, so here it is:

It was Friday at the commissary (the grocery store on base) and the lines were long. Suddenly a well-dressed and immaculately coiffed woman shoved her grocery cart right to the front of the line.

When the grumbling started behind her, she turned and said: "I'm Gen. Smith's wife, and I'm sure you ladies don't mind if I go ahead of you."

The lady right behind her said: "Well, I'm Sergeant Jone's wife, honey. And you fuck for a living just like I do, so get your ass to the back of the line."

Urban legend or not, I knew a lot of Marine wives who would have said exactly that.

Legally speaking, as you all probably know, military wives do not "share" their husband's rank and have absolutely no authority. Practically speaking, there is a definite social pecking order at every military base. The general's wife can swing a lot of influence on a young officer's career, good or bad.

There's not much they can do to an enlisted man, since they don't travel in the same social circles and we enlisted swine were just serfs anyway. ;-/

[Cooley Hurd]

51. Oh, is SHE in 120 degree weather w/ 2 litres of H2O per day?

Is SHE being attacked at night?

The SHE should shut her trap!!!

What a self-righteous imbecile!!!