Rumsfeld warns Iraq pullout equals turning Germany back to Nazis

[maddezmom]

WASHINGTON (AFP) - One day after a wave of antiwar protests swept the world, US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld warns a quick US pullout from Iraq will result in terrorists taking it over -- and insists it would be tantamount to handing Germany back to the Nazis.

The warning, issued in an article in Sunday's Washington Post, appeared to contradict his assertions in the very same piece that terrorists were "losing in Iraq" while Iraqi security forces were steadily growing in size and capability as they get ready to assume control of the country.

"Today, some 100 Iraqi army battalions of several hundred troops each are in the fight, and 49 control their own battle space," Rumsfeld said. "About 75 percent of all military operations in the country include Iraqi security forces, and nearly half of those are independently Iraqi-planned, Iraqi-conducted and Iraqi-led."

He pointed out that Iraqi security forces, rather than US troops, had enforced curfews after last month's attack on the Golden Dome mosque in Samarra that left the sacred Shiite shrine in ruins and triggered a spasm of sectarian violence.

more:http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060319/ts_afp/usiraqpolitics_060319064020;_

and the Rummy propaganda from WP;
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/17/AR2006031701797.html

[truthisfreedom]

1. not exactly, runny. our presence is similar to nazi occuption (torture)

and leaving would be more than a little bit like leaving vietnam.

but hell, have it your way, war-boy. you're addled.

[liberal N proud]

20. The Iraqi occupation is similar to the Nazi occupation of Poland

[saigon68]

23. HERE IS WHAT THE TROOPS FEEL

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,91040,00.html
Click the link: Join the discussion.

It makes you feel real Proud to be an amerikan.


Posted Wed 15 March 2006 08:04
Maybe we should just put the rag heads in "tiger cages" and let the rats eat them.

Posts: 8 | Registered: Fri 10 March 2006


What is this Country coming to? Prosecuting our troops for demoralizing the enemy? We should be harrasing the likes of our news media, Cindy Sheehan, and their ilk.

As for these captured terrorists, there would be no problem if they had not been taken prisoner.

Lets stop the moralizing and remember the war is about breaking things and killing things.

Eliminate terroists and terrorism is eliminated.

Semper Fi

Posts: 8 | Registered: Sat 08 March 2003




be a cold day in hell before I would testify against one of my fellow soliders to appease the higher ups, testimony like that given by Sgt. John H. Ketzer is whats going to convict these men,
he needs the dogs turned on him.
if a dog bit off a ball and it saved an american fighting man then it was worth it.



Posted Wed 15 March 2006 07:51
I believe that in time of War the Press (civilian)Should not be allowed.This situation is indeed a problem and should/will not be tolerated by any military Branch. Let Military handle it and they will. I can hear the cries now for "Free Press"-- War is Hell at times. but it is War, Shut down the games and lets get on with the task at hand..



quote:
Originally posted by Chief3700:
With-out the 'Free Press" we wouldn/t be having this discussion


Posts: 95 | Registered: Tue 20 September 2005



at abu graib hell that one guy should have let his dog eat his balls instead of eating peanut butter of them if the shoe was on the other foot and it was the american they would have cut his balls off then his head what gives with that BRING OUR BOY'S HOME THEN NUKE IRAQ

Posts: 4 | Registered: Wed 15 March 2006

[Terran1212]

32. They probably aren't even soldiers, but I wouldn't be suprised

The soldiers are indoctrinated afterall.

[saigon68]

37. Yes they are Brain washed

[tabasco]

34. First of all, you don't even have to be a real troop to post there.

Second, there are a lot of disgusting posts there, just like FR. But there are many others who post there along the following lines:

1. "One additional note to those others posting today....I often feel as you do, why do we hold (or try to hold) ourselves to a standard of conduct higher than that which our adversaries follow? Well, the short but best answer is.... if we do not hold to a higher standard, we are NO BETTER! If we truly are a civilized nation, which believes in Honor, Respect and Devotion to Duty (the core values of my outfit), then we MUST hold to a higher level of discipline!

Those who rail on the "Rag Heads", etc. for the inhumane acts the do, must remember that if we decend to that level, we no longer have anything left worth fighting for! God help us if that is the way we want to go."

2. "These "soldiers" played and now they should pay. Blame it on the higher ranks or whatever but the individuals charged are the ones who are accused of putting peanut butter on the genitals and breasts and allowing their dogs to lick it off while someone else took pictures. These "soldiers" weren't interested in getting any information. They were looking for a substitute for their usual pornography they no longer had great access to due to not having cable TV. Porn addicts is what they sound like to me. Just my observation."

Why do you use selected posts from an un-moderated website to insult all "the troops?" You're better than that.

[saigon68]

36. Please don't accuse me of this

" Why do you use selected posts from an un-moderated website to insult all "the troops?" You're better than that. "

IT IS WHAT IT IS and somewhere you like to read more into it

AND Accuse me of "NOT SUPPORTING "ALL" THE TROOPS"


WHATEVER THE FUCK THAT IS

Nothing more and as far a I know it is a legit site

Check it out.

[pinniped]

2. Dummy has such praise for the Iraqi forces.

Are they also flying the planes and bombing civilians from the air?

[LynnTheDem]

5. Notice he doesn't mention the fact that Iraqi battallions went from ONE to

NONE.

"PROGRESS!"

Stupidest MFers ever.

[JohnnyRingo]

10. Haven't you seen the Iraqi Navy and Air Force on Fox News?

...Me neither.
This "batallion" they speak of is a "security force". An overarmed police force designed to keep order within their own borders.

I don't believe we have any plans to allow them an actual army with tanks, fighters, or artillery.

I guess that's why we'll be there forever....or so they think

[Rex]

3. Rummy can saying anything

"Nazis...a bunch of waffle eating pussies! I eat babies and shit fire...I'm shitting fire right now!"

[saigon68]

19. Here is the War Criminal at the Torture Chamber

Brigadier-General Janis Karpinski, who was responsible for military jails in Iraq, and has now been suspended in the abuse probe, meets with Donald Rumsfeld.

[Rex]

46. And here he is during Reagan's WH chumming it up with Saddam.

Making deals and selling military equipment to Saddam so he could fight Iran.

[LynnTheDem]

4. Nooo donald the dick, ya got that backwards; WE are the Nazis this time.

WE INVADED a nation that had NOT BEEN DOING ANYTHING TO ANYONE.

Now that FACT makes AMERICA the nazis this time.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

6. Yeah, I'd bet Rummy knows a lot about Nazi Germany.

He sure seems like he just came from there himself.

[cliss]

33. Isn't that the truth?

RumsFailed keeps referring to Nazi Germany, Nazis, terrorists, all the time it seems.

Interestingly though....RumsFailed is a GERMAN. His family comes from a German village. I guess there are lots of Rumsfelds'. They all said they want nothing to do with him, though.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

35. Everything about him, too..

Not just his words. Not just his policies and actions.

But his freakin' appearance too.. he just looks like he'd fit perfectly into a Nazi documentary. He could play ANYONE and fit the role perfectly. Maybe thats a job for him after he finally loses his current job, which should've happened years ago..

[bluestateguy]

7. World War II analogies: A common neo-con technique of argument

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bush is Churchill, Saddam is Hitler, etc.

:boring:

[JohnnyRingo]

8. Always with the WWII comparisons....

The difference was that we didn't start WWII, but we had a plan to end it.

They also carp that they're glad we "liberals" weren't around in WWII.

If we had marched to meet the Russians in Berlin in 1945...then had to go back and bomb Paris three years later, the American public would have indeed asked our leaders: "WTF?"

[daleo]

43. FDR was a liberal

They forget that when it's convenient.

[magellan]

9. $380 Billion and 0 US deaths

That was the projected cost of carrying on containment for the next 33 years back in 2003, Rummy. You all told us that cost was prohibitive; it would be cheaper to deal with Hussein.

$500 billion and 2318 US deaths later and you're still trying to convince us that we and the Iraqis are better off now...we just need to 'stay the course'.

You inhuman POS.

[Lexingtonian]

11. And this would be bad- why?

I'm not sure I understand. Then again, I usually don't "get" stupid misanalogies....

[Behind the Aegis]

12. What a piss poor analogy!

It would make sense, somewhat, if by a quick 'pull-out' that Saddam returned to power. But, his analogy still falls flat on its face because Iraq was not attacking other nations or destroying others (than her own people, which is still evil).

If anything, our invasion created the "Nazis" that he is so worried that will take over the country. All that has happened is the creation of civil war.

[Coes]

13. huh?

nearly 3 years after Mission Accomplished, and half a year after "Plan For Victory", Rummy comes up with this.

Conservative Idiot Of The Week

[Disturbed]

14. Rumsfailed is a War Criminal.

If the Rethugs and Dems in Congress would have acted upon their oath of office instead of defending and proctecting the Neo Fascist Bush Regime Rumsfailed would have been Impeached, found guilty of High Crimes and fired. Then a Fed court would have charged him with War Crimes,found him guilty and sentenced him to 20 years in real prison.



Rumsfailed Admitted to Violating Geneva Convention

Rumsfailed admitted in public on TV that when CIA Director Tenet requested that an Iraqi prisoner be sent to a secret Afghan/US Prison that Rumsfailed did so. After four months a DOD Attorney stated that this was an illegal act. Rumsfailed then ordered that this prisoner be sent back to Abu Graihib but the prisoner was purposefully not listed at that location, also an illegal act. Rumsfeld also admitted to signing orders for tougher interogation methods which violated the Geneva Conventions.

Rumfailed has commited at least three violations of the Geneva Convention thereby also violations of The Constitution of the USA. Recently it has been found out that even more detainees were "ghost detainees". The fact that Rumsfailed and Tenet have not been charged speaks volumes. If Congress wishes to garner any respect they should move forward with Rep. Rangle's Impeachment Declaration of Rumsfailed and also prosecute Ex. CIA Tenet.

[southern_belle]

22. I second that motion!

:applause:

[ClintonTyree]

15. Rummy has been wrong about everything else........

what would make anyone think that THIS TIME he's got it right? :shrug: Let's face it, Rummy the Dummy, you're batting about .075 at best, we should believe you now because................? This assclown should have been gone LONG ago, but bush rewards incompetence as long as it's LOYAL incompetence. The entire bunch should be put on waivers, but who in hell would take them?

[bowens43]

16. The Soviet Union

leaving poland would be a more accurate analogy

[sofa king]

17. No dammit, it means turning France back over to the French

We are the ones who acted agressively, like the Germans did to the Czechs in 1938. We are the ones who created a false casus belli and invaded, like the Germans did to the Poles in 1939. We are the ones who are vampirically sucking the wealth out of Iraq like the Germans did to the French from 1940-1944.

We. Are. The. Fucking. Nazis. Unless we can do history one better and chase these bastards back under the rocks from which they came.

[greekspeak]

18. Wouldn't our withdraw be more like the break-up of Ma Bell?

Lots of money lost for lots of wealthy people who control intergal industries and pump large wads of money into their pockets simply because there is no real alternative?

[southern_belle]

21. Geee!

I wonder what would make Rumsfeld equate the war in Iraz with Nazi Germany? :shrug:

He SURE is a smart man... :sarcasm:

[Massachusetts]

24. Rumsfeld warns

Rumsfeld = Nazis

[UTUSN]

25. Why does he care about Old Europe? n/t

[teryang]

26. "Poland has attacked Germany for the last time!"

From the Rheinhard Heydrich school of politics.

[rodeodance]

27. It all comes down to protecting his legacy at this point.

[TankLV]

28. Sorry Heir Dummy - wrong group, wrong country.

Hint - the Nazi description is a LOT closer to home, you WAR Criminal!

[UpInArms]

29. NYTs: a retired Army major general calls for Rumsfeld's resignation

A Top-Down Review for the Pentagon

By that rule, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is not competent to lead our armed forces. First, his failure to build coalitions with our allies from what he dismissively called "old Europe" has imposed far greater demands and risks on our soldiers in Iraq than necessary. Second, he alienated his allies in our own military, ignoring the advice of seasoned officers and denying subordinates any chance for input.

In sum, he has shown himself incompetent strategically, operationally and tactically, and is far more than anyone else responsible for what has happened to our important mission in Iraq. Mr. Rumsfeld must step down.

In the five years Mr. Rumsfeld has presided over the Pentagon, I have seen a climate of groupthink become dominant and a growing reluctance by experienced military men and civilians to challenge the notions of the senior leadership.

<snip>

Mr. Rumsfeld has also failed in terms of operations in Iraq. He rejected the so-called Powell Doctrine of overwhelming force and sent just enough tech-enhanced troops to complete what we called Phase III of the war — ground combat against the uniformed Iraqis. He ignored competent advisers like Gen. Anthony Zinni and others who predicted that the Iraqi Army and security forces might melt away after the state apparatus self-destructed, leading to chaos.

<snip>

First, President Bush should accept the offer to resign that Mr. Rumsfeld says he has tendered more than once, and hire a man who will listen to and support the magnificent soldiers on the ground...

[LeftistGorilla]

30. Now that's...

pathetic....

[Terran1212]

31. The Iraqis are Nazis and must be taught a lesson...

This is such bullshit

[struggle4progress]

38. Rumsfeld's Iraq-Germany analogy disputed (CNN)

Former top officials disagree with comparison
Sunday, March 19, 2006; Posted: 6:25 p.m. EST (23:25 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- <snip>

Henry Kissinger, who served with U.S. forces in Germany at the end of World War II and who served as secretary of state under Republican Presidents Nixon and Ford, said the situations are not analogous.

"In Germany, the opposition was completely crushed; there was no significant resistance movement," the German-born diplomat told CNN's "Late Edition."

Zbigniew Brzezinski, who served as national security adviser under President Carter, a Democrat, was less charitable.

"That is really absolutely crazy to anyone who knows history," he said. "There was no alternative to our presence. The Germans were totally crushed. For Secretary Rumsfeld to be talking this way suggests either he doesn't know history or he's simply demagoguing." <snip>
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/19/rumsfeld.nazis/


Look deep into my eyes. You are getting sleepy, very sleepy ...

[NastyRiffraff]

40. I think it's the demagoguing thing...

Does anyone listen to this idiot anymore? He hasn't been right ONCE.

[killbotfactory]

39. That's funny, the invasion itself reminded me of the nazi's

[Theres-a]

41. For the love of God.

Arrogant bastards in denial.All of them.

[daleo]

42. It would be more like Hitler leaving France in 1943.

When you look at the question of who invaded whom.

[HuffleClaw]

44. exactly why is it that they feel free to use the nazi analogy freely

but if someone dares compare THEIR actions to those of the nazis, the press FREAKS?

[allalone]

45. that doesn't even make sense

have the bush years affected my mind?

[0007]

49. It has mine!

[madmark]

47. worst analogy ever

[psychopomp]

48. I thought that is what we *did*

Isn't that what we did? We put former Nazi General Reinhard Gehlen in charge of W. Germany's OSS whereupon he recruited his old Gestapo collegues into his spy organization which kept tabs on everyone in Germany, including the politicians?

[OKNancy]

50. kick

[DeepModem Mom]

51. CNN: Rumsfeld's Iraq-Germany analogy disputed (Brzezinski: "demagoguing")

Rumsfeld's Iraq-Germany analogy disputed
Former top officials disagree with comparison

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former top officials in two presidential administrations -- one Democratic, one Republican -- disagreed Sunday with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's characterization of what would happen if the United States were to pull out of the war in Iraq.

"Turning our backs on postwar Iraq today would be the modern equivalent of handing postwar Germany back to the Nazis," Rumsfeld wrote in an opinion piece published Sunday....Henry Kissinger, who served with U.S. forces in Germany at the end of World War II and who served as secretary of state under Republican Presidents Nixon and Ford, said the situations are not analogous.

"In Germany, the opposition was completely crushed; there was no significant resistance movement," the German-born diplomat told CNN's "Late Edition."

Zbigniew Brzezinski, who served as national security adviser under President Carter, a Democrat, was less charitable.

"That is really absolutely crazy to anyone who knows history," he said. "There was no alternative to our presence. The Germans were totally crushed. For Secretary Rumsfeld to be talking this way suggests either he doesn't know history or he's simply demagoguing."...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/19/rumsfeld.nazis/index.html

Link to WP: "What We've Gained in Three Years in Iraq," by Donald Rumsfeld
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/17/AR2006031701797.html

[monktonman]

52. or he really believes the insurgency is in the last throes

[SpiralHawk]

56. The BushCo Cronies "believe" lots of shit

Just for once I'd like to see them make a decision based on facts.

[Jim__]

53. I'm glad that people responded to Rumsfeld's lies.

I wish it would happen more often.

[Lochloosa]

54. Or he refuses to admit that we are done. Lost. Finished.

There is no good that will come out of this illigal war. Other than the impeachment of *.

[sinkingfeeling]

55. Is there one single person in this administration that has ever read

about WWII? All of them have tried to say Chimpy's Folly is equal to WWII. Rummy's statement was absurd!

[wordpix2]

57. this *maladministration only gets info from those who agree with its

agenda of PNAC-style One World Order of, by and for the elites in charge.

[MrPrax]

58. Thanks Ziggy

for correcting Rummy's poor reason for 'not withdrawing' with your own much better reason for 'not withdrawing'.

[yellowcanine]

60. Bush and Rummy don't need no steenkin history. 9-11 changed everything.

All history is now irrelevant. No one ever attacked anyone by surprise before and killed civilians.

[wordpix2]

59. see MTP video: Murtha's take---"A flawed policy wrapped in illusion"

March 19, 2006 Russert interview:

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?f=00&t=m5&g=e10461f7-89e1-415c-aa58-80d1b6f8066e&p=angietest

[0007]

61. I swear what ever those guys got at the White House is catching

or contagious like the measles. I can't think of one intelligent thing that has been said coming out of the White House for ages.