Pentagon: Russia Gave Saddam U.S. Intel

[Judi Lynn]

Pentagon: Russia Gave Saddam U.S. Intel
By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer

Friday, March 24, 2006

(03-24) 10:13 PST WASHINGTON, (AP) --

The Russian government provided Saddam Hussein with intelligence on U.S. military movements and plans during the opening days of the war in 2003, according to a Pentagon report released Friday.

The unclassified report does not assess the value of the information or provide details beyond citing an Iraqi document that says the battlefield intelligence was provided to Saddam through the Russian ambassador in Baghdad.

A classified version of the Pentagon report, titled "Iraqi Perspectives Project," is not being made public.

Whether by chance or design, one piece of Russian intelligence actually contributed to an important U.S. military deception effort. By telling Saddam that the main attack on Baghdad would not begin until the Army's 4th Infantry Division arrived around April 15, the Russians reinforced an impression that U.S. commanders were trying to create to catch the Iraqis by surprise.
(snip/...)

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/03/24/national/w101300S99.DTL

[DoYouEverWonder]

1. And who may I ask

gave the Intel to the Russians?

WTF in the US Military would share that info with the Russians? Rummie? Wolfie? Or maybe the esteemed Mr. Perle?

[Psephos]

4. No one gave it to them, their spies took it

Every country spies. Russia is particularly good at it. Pooty-poot is ex-KGB, btw.

Peace.

[DoYouEverWonder]

14. According to the story

They had sources inside the US Command. That is not a comfort, since if they knew troop positions for invading Iraq, they must have had access to a lot of other sensitive info.

[heirs_of_liberty]

19. only fascist criminal regimes allow their spies to rule them

Military spying is(OSS was) one thing, but our MI6-CIA Christian Fascist Neo-Nazi Conservative Mafia secret noble backroom dictatorship is an unconstitutional abomination responsible for every foreign policy disaster America has suffered since Truman surrendered to Churchill at Potsdam, and by importing Gehlen and establishing it.

[Psephos]

21. Umm, ok, but we're talking about Russian spies here

Just a thought...

Peace.

[heirs_of_liberty]

76. And i'm talking about the apparent implications

Every year our Congress is lied to about how (our deare$t buddie$) Wen Ho and Yuri's governments are secretly plotting to murder us all in our beds and end life on earth as we know it, and an unconstitutional secret noble Cabal of ennobled Senators and Congressmen have their heads stuffed with even more ridiculous and more terrifying 'specific' lies about how we have to squander yet billions more to 'prevent' these supposedly inevitable catastrophes.

But apparently the only secret that is being kept is that the biggest joke is on us, there never has been any danger or threat there never was and there never will be. Those who fear us are twice as smart as we are and know way more about us than we allow ourselves to be known about our own ridiculous fabricated paranoias!

We have allowed ourselves to become enslaved by our own paranoia and it is those who control the lie machines who are laughing all the way to their banks, while we alone slave in the darkness and fear, and pay and pay and pay - simply to endanger ourselves even more...

It's become so ridiculous that we have become our own and now indeed the world's biggest enemy of peace and prosperity.

When a $5 dollar tyrant like Saddam has better knowledge of our government's intentions, activities behavior than we do, something has simply malfunctioned beyond repair, and we are no longer 'the free'....

[Malva Zebrina]

2. Let's kill the Russians over there, so we don't have to fight them here.

and the Israelis blatantly spied on the United States and handed over classified information to Israel. How's that indictment going anyhow. Anyone know?

[keopeli]

3. Russia sided with China over Iran at the UN - this is just payback

[mtnester]

5. This will be fun to watch

usually Putin is quick to fire back...think he will?

OF COURSE THE US WANTS TO DISCREDIT RUSSIA RIGHT NOW....they are what is stopping us from an all out assault on Iran.

[Whoa_Nelly]

6. WHY is this info released, and not the tapes and other info

regarding 9/11, WTC and WTC 7, and the Pentagon?

Stinky news release.

[neverforget]

7. So Saddam had better intel than Bush did? Oh the irony!

:spank: :rofl:

[Judi Lynn]

8. Russia Had Sources in U.S. Command in Iraq

Russia Had Sources in U.S. Command in Iraq
By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer
Friday, March 24, 2006
(03-24) 12:25 PST WASHINGTON, (AP) --

The Russian government had sources inside the American military command as it planned and executed the invasion of Iraq in 2003, according to Iraqi documents released as part of a Pentagon report.

The Russians passed information to Saddam Hussein on U.S. troop movements and plans during the opening days of the war, according to the report Friday.

The unclassified report does not assess the value of the information or provide details beyond citing two captured Iraqi documents that say the Russians collected information from sources "inside the American Central Command" and that battlefield intelligence was provided to Saddam through the Russian ambassador in Baghdad.

A classified version of the Pentagon report, titled "Iraqi Perspectives Project," is not being made public.
(snip/...)

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/03/24/national/w122327S01.DTL

[bemildred]

9. This is news?

What is the Pentagoon trotting this out now to distract us from, that's the question? Anybody with a brain knew the Russians were working with Saddam before the war. The Pentagoon freaked out during the first weeks of the war because it was worried the Russians gave Saddam ATW (and other things). The one thing they fear is an "enemy" that can fight back.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

10. Oh, brother! I guess Russia's next on the NeoCon invasion agenda.

[Minnesota Libra]

11. How convenient - a war we are still fighting and it's unclassified nt

[fedsron2us]

12. Russia's real 'crime'

is not its lack of democracy or any intelligence aid to Iraq (this has been going on for decades) or its backing for the dodgy despot of Belarus. I am not sure it is even its recent attempts to defend Iran in the UN. What has really rattled the US government is the fact it has signed a long term trade deal with the Chinese that look like preventing the energy crunch that the Bush administration was hoping to use to curtail the rise of China as a global economic and political superpower.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/ny-wopipe224671265mar22,0,4905013.story?coll=ny-lipolitics-print

One can not help wondering whether the sudden deterioration in Sino-Japanese relations and the announcement of the cancellation of new yen loans to China is not unconnected to this event.

http://today.reuters.com/business/newsarticle.aspx?type=tnBusinessNews&storyID=nT72021&imageid=&cap=

I expect the relationship between the two global power blocks to be headed downhill fast from now on. It is not going to be a pleasant ride.

[phusion]

13. I thought pooty-poot

was a "great friend" of Dubya?

[u2spirit]

18. a great enough friend

that Dimson saw his soul and determined he was a good man.

[Judi Lynn]

15. Kick!

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[daleo]

16. Was it Rumsfeldikov or Powellenovitch?

Or maybe BFEE, Russian division.

[heirs_of_liberty]

17. Proof positive that the traitorous, criminal MI6-CIA-KGB Mafias are

all in league together, running the biggest secret backroom-dictatorship military industrial protection/extortion racket in history! There are no secrets, there are no threats, and there NEVER EVER has been!

American taxpayers have been hornswoggled out of trillions of dollars, wasted on pointless, valueless, useless, hi tech weapons of mass destruction just to line the pockets of criminal politicians, traitorous neo-Nazi Christianist Skull & Bonesman and greedy, corrupt military industrial contractors!

Osama bin Laden is the CIA Mafia's best employee, and we have all been totally and completely duped all along....

"while we give no encouragement to the importation of foreign vices, we ought to be equally as careful not to create any. A vice begotten might be worse than a vice imported. The latter, depending on favour, would be a sycophant; the other, by pride of birth, would be a tyrant: To the one we should be dupes, to the other - slaves" Thomas Paine, Pennsylvania Magazine - 1775 (on the Imperial Cold War MI6-CIA-KGB Mafia Cabals?)

What we need defeat and fear most, are those SECRET, criminal, traitorous, unconstitutional agencies without legitimate Letters of Marque which we have illegally criminally empowered to 'protect' us!

[bemildred]

20. Damn, I think you have the right idea!

:thumbsup:

[heirs_of_liberty]

71. Jack Kennedy warned us,

"smashing it into a thousand pieces" was the term

[Blue_Tires]

74. +1

[DoYouEverWonder]

22. Russia Spies Operated in Iraq Through 2003

March 24, 2006

MOSCOW - Russia had a military intelligence unit operating in Iraq up through the 2003 U.S. invasion and fall of Baghdad, a Russian analyst said Friday as the Pentagon reported Moscow fed Saddam Hussein's government with intelligence on the American military.

Iraqi documents released as part of the Pentagon report asserted that the Russians relayed information to Saddam through their ambassador in Baghdad during the opening days of the war in late March and early April 2003, including a crucial time before the ground assault on Baghdad.

Pavel Felgenhauer, a respected independent Moscow-based military analyst, told The Associated Press the report was "quite plausible."

He said a unit affiliated with the Defense Ministry's Main Intelligence Department, known by its abbreviation GRU, was actively working in Iraq at the time of the U.S. invasion. The unit apparently was shut down after the fall of Baghdad.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060324/ap_on_re_eu/russia_us_iraq_war;_ylt=A9FJqYtNhyRE7V4AYg.s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

This is the third major revelation in less then 24 hours about Russian spys and Iraq. Fells like something big is about to blow?

[Warren Stupidity]

23. Uh, just a guess, but

doesn't every world power, even the less than super ones, have military intelligence units attached to their embassies and doing 'stuff' with various nations that they have military and/or economic relations with? Isn't that basically why everyone has huge embassy staffs?

[DoYouEverWonder]

24. But how many of them

have people inside the US Military Command?

Add link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2186766

[Warren Stupidity]

25. oh some do.

And that story is pure bullshit. Why would the russians risk a mole inside our HQ on the soon to be vanished Saddam regime? Answer: they wouldn't.

[cliss]

28. Well, Russia had a very big reason for keeping

the U.S. out of Ira. Russia had signed oil contracts with Saddam, just the year before. So did France. Both countries had vital reasons for not wanting the US to march to war. And they opposed it, repeatedly, both at the UN and publicly.

After the US invaded, the oil contracts became null and void. I believe RumsFailed said there would be no monetary compensation for the worthless contracts = tough shit, Iraq is under New Management now.

[Warren Stupidity]

29. Fine and dandy

but Saddam was a lost cause. I don't really think the russians would waste a high value asset in addition to losing their oil contracts. What would be the point of that? To buy into your theory you would have to believe that the Iraqis had any chance at all of actually winning that war, which they simply didn't.

[DoYouEverWonder]

67. You're assuming

that this came from some high powered mole who only focused on Saddam. There is no evidence of any of that.

[Warren Stupidity]

69. No I am assuming that the russians

would correctly estimate that the saddam regime had zero chance of surviving the invasion and thus would avoid leaving compromising evidence of a high level mole in our central command with the soon to be eliminated baathis regime.

[DoYouEverWonder]

66. I guess you've never heard of Robert Hanson?

I'm sure their moles can do more then one thing at a time.

[Warren Stupidity]

68. And again

why waste such a valuable resource on a lost cause? Sorry - this story is total bullshit.

[DoYouEverWonder]

70. Read the story

invading Iraq was a staged event and the Russians participated in many ways.

They did it to 'help' us by giving Saddam misinformation. In other words, we got the Russians to lie to him for us, to throw him off. However the revelation that there are people inside the US COMMAND GIVING the RUSSIANS all kinds of info is very disturbing.

[Warren Stupidity]

72. Oh I'm fine with that part. (They did it to 'help' us )

But the headline story is basically "Russian spy in US military HQ helped Saddam" (your "However the revelation that there are people inside the US COMMAND GIVING the RUSSIANS all kinds of info is very disturbing") and that part is pure bullshit. Once again, the russians would not waste such a valuable asset on the hopeless doomed Iraqi regime.

The real question is why our Ministry of Disinformation is floating this particular line of bullshit right now.

[heirs_of_liberty]

77. We got nothing. They still have it all - over us!

The unconstitutional reign of secret military industrial tyranny over AMERICANS is what has to end. We have created THE Frankenstien that worries and threatens the entire planet, not anyone else, anywhere else on this planet!

When even the biggest losers on the planet have better, more detailed and more specific and accurate knowledge of the activities of our criminal tyrants than we are allowed to have, it is us who are the problem not them.

"...avoid the necessity of those overgrown military establishments which, under any form of government, are inauspicious to liberty, and which are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty." -- George Washington

[bemildred]

26. This is all just so Joe McCarthy.

A better question is "Who doesn't have agents in our defense establishment?" How many disastrous spy scandals have we have in the last 15 yeats? Three? Four? It's been so long since classification of information was about keeping it from foreigners - instead of from our own citizens - that I don't think anybody knows or cares.

[heirs_of_liberty]

27. Proof positive that the traitorous, criminal MI6-CIA-KGB Mafias are

all in league together, running the biggest secret backroom-dictatorship military industrial protection/extortion racket in history! There are no secrets, there are no threats, and there NEVER EVER has been!

American taxpayers have been hornswoggled out of trillions of dollars, wasted on pointless, valueless, useless, hi tech weapons of mass destruction just to line the pockets of criminal politicians, traitorous neo-Nazi Christianist Skull & Bonesman and greedy, corrupt military industrial contractors!

Osama bin Laden is the CIA Mafia's best employee, and we have all been totally and completely duped all along....

"while we give no encouragement to the importation of foreign vices, we ought to be equally as careful not to create any. A vice begotten might be worse than a vice imported. The latter, depending on favour, would be a sycophant; the other, by pride of birth, would be a tyrant: To the one we should be dupes, to the other - slaves" Thomas Paine, Pennsylvania Magazine - 1775 (on the Imperial Cold War MI6-CIA-KGB Mafia Cabals?)

[Ernesto]

30. Report: Russia had sources in U.S. command (Fri PM news dump)

(From Stars & Stripes)
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Russian government collected intelligence from sources inside the American military command as the U.S. mounted the invasion of Iraq, and the Russians fed information to Saddam Hussein on troop movements and plans, according to Iraqi documents cited in a Pentagon report released Friday.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_IRAQ_WAR?SITE=DCSAS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

[MadMaddie]

31. Sounds like Treason to me?

[Vetinarii]

35. Sounds like espionage to me

How is it "treason" if Russians spied on Americans?

It could be called treason if Americans voluntarily disclosed information to an unfriendly foreign power. On the other hand, it could also be called "idealism". Or just plain "greed". In general, it's governments who call it "treason" when someone stands up and announces that the president is a thief; others call it patriotism.

And why is this even news? If I were the Pentagon, I'd assume that any plan, once known to more than about six people, would inevitably be leaked to any enemy with decent resources within 24-36 hours. If they didn't assume that, more fool they.

[Warren Stupidity]

32. This has been re-reported N times in LBN today.

Oh, and it is Ministry of Disinformation bullshit. Think about it. Also, considering that for all intents and purposes Iraq didn't actually have an army to go along with the WMD's they didn't have, what goddamn difference would it make if the Iraqis knew every last inventory item and order of battle?

[Ernesto]

33. This is coming from Stars & Stripes, the official news for the military

I thought the timing was quite interesting....

[Lostnote06]

36. Time---/Date--/Location..

.....Less it be ignored also.....Geeeshhhh......Absolutly correct... DissssImfo

[Lostnote06]

34. John Grissom is a meme plant....+TV and we have a Global Confrontation...

...Yuuuurrr Either With Us Or Aginnnnn No-Bid Contracted Wars.......Realpolitik ReDux, Hello Boris and Natashia....

[stillcool]

37. best response yet....

to the numerous postings of this 'bait-story'...looks like it's getting some nibblers....Boris and Natasha:rofl:

[Lostnote06]

40. Thanks......The games, the games,the games.......geeshhh

[yellowcanine]

38. Apparently Bush had on rose colored glasses when he looked into Putin's

soul. Hard to teach an old KGB dog new tricks.

[yellowcanine]

39. Bush = Useful idiot. Putin's soul deceived him.

[mom cat]

41. "if" the Russians helped Saddam, they sure failed. ... bogus.

[Warren Stupidity]

43. exactly.

And given the results of the previous war in '91, it wouldn't take a genius to figure out that the vastly depleted iraqi 'army' was not going to stand any chance at all this time. So why would the russians waste an asset on a fool's mission? I call bullshit on this press release from our ministry of disinformation. I better question is why the MoD is playing this particular game right now.

[Rex]

42. Saddam patterned his rule after his favorite world leader

Joseph Stalin. Why would it be a surprise that we find out, now, that Russia and Iraq are allies? Well they were under the last dictator, dunno about this new crowd of crazies. This should help us distance ourselves from our two biggest critics (Russia and China) when we attack Iran. We'll just end up giving China more money.

[badgervan]

44. Believable?

Sounds like a plant to me. Very curious how this comes out now, and on a Friday to boot. I do not trust my government for the truth anymore, and that in itself REALLY pisses me off.

[Rex]

46. Over the past 6 years I've seen America do things I would

call unbelievable. Yeah I know what you mean...this is Friday dump day so this actually could be a plant.

[heirs_of_liberty]

78. Perhaps we forget that somehow Iraq had an open society

maintained by a ruler who would not put up with religious fascism, who kept hateful conservative religious-socialist radicals firmly under control unlike our lame, stupid regime, which has merely empowered the most dangerous and hateful of all of them to imitate Stalin their way....

[Der Blaue Engel]

45. Russia won't cooperate with the US on Iran, so it's time to demonize them

They were such a convenient enemy when they were Soviet. Now we have only nebulous terrorists to hate.

[rsmith6621]

47. Russians Fed Saddam U.S. Military Information

"WASHINGTON, D.C. - The Russian government had sources inside the American military command as the U.S. mounted the invasion of Iraq, and the Russians passed information to Saddam Hussein on troop movements and plans, according to Iraqi documents released as part of a Pentagon report.

The Russians relayed information to Saddam during the opening days of the 2003 war, including a crucial moment before the assault on Baghdad, according to the documents in the report Friday. "

http://komotv.com/stories/42584.htm

[leveymg]

48. DUPE

There's a story within the story you should know about. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=745059&mesg_id=745059

[Redstone]

49. Well, I guess I was right about the Russians.

I detest the thuggish, crooked bastards. Always have. Probably won't change my mind.

I'm sure there are some wonderful Russian people out there, but I've never met one. Can't count how many times I've been in a restaurant with some rude, loud, low-class Russian pigs ruining everyone's peace and quiet and abusing the staff.

Call me prejudiced if you want to.

Redstone

[BlackHeart]

50. Ok

you're prejudiced. Just curious, where do you live that there are so many Russians?

[RedSock]

52. pooty poot

* better take another look into pooty poot's soul.

[Big Kahuna]

51. Yikes, you sound like my Grandfather

He had an irrational hatred of Greeks :p

[Karmakaze]

57. Being a New Zealander....

I can relate :)

I can't count how many times I've been in a restaurant with some rude, loud, low-class American pigs ruining everyone's peace and quiet and abusing the staff.

[stillcool]

53. The Pentagon appears to have it's own....

news agency. There have been reports coming out every day with bold headlines, of newly discovered Saddam documents....I feel like a fish, surrounded by chum in the water...I'm afraid to bite.

[HuffleClaw]

54. complete and utter bullshit

this is merely the first of many smear pieces to be expected now that russia and china aren't playing bushco.'s 'march to war' diplomatic games.

[Imperialism Inc.]

56. Great minds think alike?

Well ok, one great mind and me. ;-)

[Imperialism Inc.]

55. Well there goes the Iranian enrichment deal.

Whew. That was close. Almost looked like there was going to be a solution to the Iran "problem" for a second.

[UpInArms]

58. I thought that the decision to go to war was only made on 3/20/03

so why would it be a problem - since "war was the last option"?

:sarcasm: sortofkinda

[oblivious]

59. If this is true, it looks like Russia saved a lot of American lives.

The Russians relayed information to Saddam during the opening days of the 2003 war, including a crucial moment before the assault on Baghdad, according to the documents in the report Friday.

Since there was basically no defence of Baghdad, I guess the Russians did America a favour.

[pepperbear]

60. Russians Helped Iraq, Study Says

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/24/AR2006032400996.html?sub=AR



Russian officials collected intelligence on U.S. troop movements and attack plans from inside the American military command leading the 2003 invasion of Iraq and passed that information to Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, according to a U.S. military study released yesterday..........

[LynnTheDem]

61. Russia was totally entitled to do so,a s was any nation in the world.

AMERICA violated the law with bush's illegal supreme crime war of aggression.

[PFunk]

62. What did they say about Turnabout's fair play...

[MsKandice01]

63. How convenient..

We now have perfect reason to circumvent Russia in regards to what we're going to do with Iran. Impeccable timing.

[norml]

64. This has already been posted.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2186766

[HuffleClaw]

65. utter propaganda the day after russia and china tell bush that

his diplomatic games are in vain. will they also smear china? time will tell. these clowns are sooo predictable. they act like children in a sandbox.

[Xipe Totec]

73. So, Freedom Vodka now, is it?

I am shocked! Shocked, I say, to learn that Russia passed information to their former client state; Iraq.

Those ungrateful bastards! You'd think that by now they would have forgiven the US for giving the Afghanis sparrow missiles during the Russian occupation!

:eyes:

[anotherdrew]

75. remember the russian diplomatic convoy they shot up in late march 03?

or early april? Russian Ambasador and crew were pulling out of Iraq. They also accused the russians of supplying GPS jamming equipment. Plus there was that Russian aviation webiste that was providing "info" they claimed was had from their radio intercepts.