Poll sees a boost for Bush, Iraq war (USA TODAY/Gallup Poll)

[sabra]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-06-13-poll-results_x.htm

Poll sees a boost for Bush, Iraq war

WASHINGTON — In the wake of terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's death, President Bush is seeing improvement in public confidence that the Iraq war is winnable, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll shows.
The new poll found that 48% believe the United States probably or definitely will win the war, up from 39% in April. It also found that 47% believe things are going well in Iraq, up from 38% in March.

The survey, taken Friday to Sunday and released Monday, also showed Bush's approval rating going up to 38% from 36% earlier this month and an all-time low of 31% in May. The poll news came as Bush and members of his Cabinet met at Camp David to discuss ways to help the recently formed government in Iraq.

"Good news makes people feel better," says political analyst Stuart Rothenberg, editor of the non-partisan Rothenberg Political Report. "This is the first break the president has gotten in about 18 months."

[Erika]

1. CBS has the W at 33%

with a 60% disapproval rate.

[saigon68]

24. Here's President Cheney's take on the situation

[SlavesandBulldozers]

58. awesome picture

good stuff

[GetTheRightVote]

2. It doesn't look like they polled Americans ???

:kick:

[Journeyman]

7. Hadn't thought of it before, but that would explain Gallup's numbers. . .

n/t

[Blaq Dem]

47. The polls were done by illegal immigrants

Because they're cheaper.

[KansDem]

55. "stoop labor"

Or finding pollsters who'll stoop to new lows in order to prop up His Royal Flatulence.

[katty]

56. they polled staffers still (left behind) at the WHI

[nolabels]

3. 48% believe the United States probably or definitely will win the war

:bounce: what we goin to win, what we going win :bounce:

[tenshi816]

13. And how do we know when we've won it? n/t

[bdamomma]

43. and what is the mission??????????? and what noble cause???

what a bunch of lies they are spreading, the media should be hung.

[Amonester]

4. ""Good news makes people feel better," said the idiot...

because, since when an ephemeral 38% represents a majority?

Idiot$ one day... :puke:

[saigon68]

10. Here's some "Good news" for the Fucktards

You will be seeing a lot more of this in the future.

[jaysunb]

5. see posts 1,2,& 3 AND 4

:rofl:

[AndyTiedye]

6. GallupingRepublicans to the Rescue

[still_one]

8. and even though one poll doesn't mean sqwat

it shows how STUPID the public is

I have no doubt that we will be their for a long time, with many more deaths, and I don't count on the "main-stream" Democrats to fix the situation, though I hope they prove me wrong

[noel adamson]

9. Raising poll numbers and spinning the Iraqi Al Qaida lie is the purpose

...of both Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's formerly untouchable presence in Iraq and his death now. They could have done this before the invasion. He has been there since 2002 which was well known and used as a propaganda piece. He was unreachable by Saddam Hussein and the White House mysteriously blocked all attempts to get permission to bomb, strafe, send in assassins or otherwise dispose of him until now. He was in the "no fly" zone which was constantly patrolled by U.S. military aircraft from the beginning.

[CJCRANE]

11. Approval up to 38% from 36% is hardly a boost. It's a blip..nt

[ima_sinnic]

12. "the first break the (p)resident has had in 18 months"

oh, I forgot all about poor widdle sissy boy georgie, the guy that just can't get a break. c'mon people, make nice and stop being so mean to him. he can't help it, he didn't ask to be born into a family fortune where daddy's name would be the ONLY thing he's got goin' for him. it's not his fault he's a pathological liar as well as a smarmy little clown-puppet for daddy's evil billionaire war-profiteering friends. he didn't ask to be appointed to the most powerful position in the world, where taking responsibility for the well-being of almost 300,000,000 U.S. citizens requires an IQ larger than his shoe size as well as a teeny tiny bit of compassion, imagination, inspiration, and leadership. he can't help it if he doesn't have any of those qualities! so c'mon give him a break!!

cause it's always ALL ABOUT *

[truthisfreedom]

14. bush has always had blips, and has always faltered and dropped even lower.

look at his charts. he's nearly linear in his overall drop. without further terror, bushco is going straight to hell. btw, watch for more bushterrah. rove will demand it soon.

[WePurrsevere]

15. Very nice graphics. It looks like Gallup is consistent in giving Bush

higher poll numbers then all the others. I can't help but wonder how they can say that Gallup is "non-partisan" with a straigh face.

[goclark]

22. Isn't his family related to the Gallup family? I read that someplace nt

[WePurrsevere]

28. I've never heard that but it would certainly explain the "slant" eh? n/t

[Ken Burch]

49. George Gallup himself WAS a Republican

In the Sixties and Seventies, the general feeling was that Gallup was the "Republican" polling organization and Harris was the Democratic equivalent.

[Biernuts]

17. I thought Rasmussun was consistently skewed higher n/t

[Arugula Latte]

65. Little floating blue diamonds ....

Funny how they always rise to the top...

[Demeter]

16. USAToday Isn't Worth the Paper It's Printed On, & Neither is This Poll

Can graveyards be polled?

[rodeodance]

18. first these polls, now Rove is FREE. damm, bad day for Dems.

[stepnw1f]

25. No It's Not

It's bad for the GOP and the spin is trying to make it look as if it's bad for the Dems. If this is good news for Bush, then he is more pathetic than you realize.

[HuffleClaw]

19. 11% in one month?

who the hell are they polling, young republicans?

really, this is just plain fishy.

[Zynx]

20. Like all these numbers previously, these will go back down with the

continuing violence.

[wisteria]

21. An one break he doesn't deserve. n/t

[Proud Liberal Dem]

23. What Are The Terms of Victory?

WHAT exactly would it mean to "win" this war? Does anybody really know? The goals from the outset as I understood it was to remove Saddam and his regime from power (check), locate and eliminate his WMDs (check-they were all gone or destroyed), and form a new government (check). As time has worn on, however, Bush has become more and more vague about what needs to happen before we leave. If we are to stay over there until some kind of "stability" is achieved then I doubt that we will be "winning" this war anytime in the near future.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

54. Defining the "terms of victory" will be the next president's problem

according to Bush. He's doing what he's always done -- totally f*cked something up and left it for someone else to clean up, all the while claiming his personal success.

[november3rd]

26. bounce

That Zarqawi story gave Bush a bounce like a super ball.

Fuck the war. All we need to do is publicize insurgency "leaders'" deaths and the troops will be home in time for the 2008 election!

[ima_sinnic]

27. I will refrain from throwing cold water on the fweeps' occasional

delusion that this is going to turn out all right in the end, that their completely manufactured but totally ineffectual hero is "successful" at anything, that there is such a thing as "winning" in Iraq. Their dim-witted cheerleading and high-fiving will soon enough be shown to have been premature -- it's like a ball bouncing, each upward peak is lower than the one before until it finally dribbles into the gutter and thence into the septic system.

hey fweepies, congratulations on a Really Big Important Victory and Turning of the Tide -- or Corner -- or, er, whatever you wingnuts call it!!! It can only get better from here, right??!!

NOT

[Thickasabrick]

29. Fuck USA today and fuck all those sheep that could possibly

take Zargawi's death and Dubya's surprise visit as a sign of things improving. Fuck Bush and his little Rove too.

[saigon68]

30. His Fat Little Rove Dweeb

I'd would have loved to see that fuck in Basic Training

[Thickasabrick]

32. Or even in a prison cell....with other prisoners ...who think he's

"purdy"

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[swimboy]

31. Soon this will be the most popular war, ever!

:sarcasm:

[ima_sinnic]

46. ha ha, good one! (n/t)

[Moderator]

33. k

[Mark E. Smith]

34. Gallup: No Change in Americans' Outlook for War on Terror

Gallup News Service

PRINCETON, NJ -- The first USA Today/Gallup Poll following the killing of al Qaeda terrorist mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi suggests Americans are heeding President Bush's caution that the Iraqi insurgency will continue without Zarqawi leading it. Certainly the poll is not detecting the kind of public optimism about the broader war on terror recorded at the outset of the United States military operations in Iraq or Afghanistan, or following the capture of Saddam Hussein.

The poll, conducted June 9-11, 2006, finds little change compared with earlier this year in Americans' assessment of the United States' progress in the war on terror, or in the importance Americans attach to capturing al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

Despite the evident success of U.S. intelligence and military forces in tracking and killing Zarqawi, Americans are not much more optimistic than they have been about the chances the United States will eventually find bin Laden. Also, Bush's approval rating for his handling of terrorism is only slightly higher today than it was in April.

Only Minority Believes U.S. is Winning

The percentage of Americans saying the United States and its allies are winning the war on terrorism has averaged about 37% for the past two years, and it continues at that level today. The latest poll finds 38% saying the United States is wining the war on terror and 16% saying the terrorists are winning, while the plurality, 41%, say neither side is winning. These results are similar to the previous reading from January 2006.

http://poll.gallup.com/content/?ci=23314

[magellan]

35. I'd love to know what that 38% are using for criteria

...to be so convinced the US is winning the war on terra. Tea leaves? Wishful thinking? The configuration of Bush**'s nostril hairs? What?

[opihimoimoi]

36. Roughly 1/3 of Americans are Brainwashed, money whores, delusional

[magellan]

37. Can't we deport them or something?

They're such a drag on civilized society. They refuse to learn and are a threat to decent human beings everywhere with their belief in fantasies.

I know. Let's build them an island, put churches, guns and American flags on it, leave them there, and let nature take its course. I predict it will take a month for them to kill each other off.

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[bdamomma]

44. that would be great

they would be happy to have their own little Jesusland somewhere, far from us reality based thinking people.

[bdamomma]

41. this is just sickening

that these stupid people think everything is fine in Iraq, they are shoveling out the propaganda fast and furious. sickening absolutely sickening. No wonder Bush has that smirk on his face, he is shoveling out the BS.

[Skittles]

50. more sickening because it is a load of crap

I don't believe it at all

[Art_from_Ark]

51. Another heaping, steaming load

The pile of elephant dung in the room is now bigger than the elephant itself

[Skittles]

60. LOL - YOU KNOW IT, ART

AND YOU SAY IT WELL !!! :thumbsup:

[mvd]

42. Ha ha - still at 38%

Even though people might be fooled into thinking progress is being made, Bush fails to get much of a jump.

[ima_sinnic]

45. * thinks a couple of photo ops are all it takes

watch--2 points up, 5 points down; 2 points up, 7 points down-will be in the teens before too long, lol.

on edit: hey, by the way, I thought herr scheistkopf didn't care about polls! for someone who "doesn't care" he's seeming awfully vigilant or "earnest" or something lately. what a dipwad.

[opihimoimoi]

48. Good News is a couple of Plus Ticks on the Poll Screen???

From 36 to 38?

WTF is THAT?

99% of the Nations Profits go to 1% of the POP and those who support them.

The 99% of us get to share in the remaining 1% of $$$

This is French History just before the Revolution...

The Pub Party is not feeding us bread but BS ...ever so slowly less "bread" is available due to thew gross mismangement of the Pubs
in Civic affairs. Poor Base Philosophy is the root cause.

[Vinca]

52. I'm sick and tired of a war being waged based on politics.

Or is it the other way around? It shows how evil, shallow and incompetent this administration is. How are they going to spin the abduction of those poor soldiers to get the poll numbers up?

[SLCPUNK]

53. Maybe

They should have asked what "winning" the war meant to them.

[IndianaGreen]

57. Here is the Fickle Finger of Fate Award to the gullible sheep!

Booby Prizes, Roasts & Spoofs

Flying Fickle Finger of Fate Award - Called the Rigid Digit, the Winged Weenie, Wonderful Wiggler, Friendly Phlange, and the Nifty Knuckle, this weekly satirical award was presented by comedians Dan Rowan and Dick Martin on the weekly comedy variety series ROWAN & MARTIN'S LAUGH-IN/NBC/1968-73 for the dumbest/craziest news item of the week. Gold/Silver in color the award was a "hand" mounted on a trophy base. Its index finger adorned with two small wings rotated in a "Whoopee!" circular motion. Recipients of this "uncoveted" award included then Los Angeles Chief of Police, Ed Davis who suggested that "gallows" be put in all airports for the hijackers. When they were apprehended they could be hung on the spot; the City of Cleveland for their Kioga River (It caught fire due to its high pollution levels); and a Wonderful Wiggler went to William F. Buckley for his philosophy "Never clarify tomorrow, what you can obscure today." Top awards went to the Pentagon. They won five times.

http://www.tvacres.com/awards_booby_flying.htm

[Doremus]

61. I had to stop and think about that Kioga River thingie, and I'm

a native Clevelander.

It's Cuyahoga. LOL




Carry on.

[demo dutch]

59. Don't worry... it'll drop again because of the kidnappings

[alcibiades_mystery]

63. Kidnappings?

Ay yay yay. Soldiers aren't "kidnapped" in a war zone. They are captured.

[Rex]

62. How do MSMwhores speak with so much

Dick Cheney in their mouths?

[Biernuts]

64. I went to the Real Clear Politics site - they don't do their own

polls but list and aggregate others. The last four they have posted are 40% (Rasmussen, 15-17 June), 37% (CNN, 14-15 June), 40% (Fox, 13-14 June), and 37% (NBC/WSJ 9-12 June). Their aggregated number is 37.5% <http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/>

My take on the polls are that they aren't a great snapshot. Looking at any one poll in isolation leads (me) to inaccurate conclusions. They are much better suited to show trends and/or movement.

We had a little (about 5 of us) office pool in 2004 just for bragging rights - no money changed hands. Predictions wee due the Friday before the election. Looking at the trends in the last 45 days before the election, I got the the house correct, missed the Senate split by one, and missed the electoral count by four. (I had John Kerry getting four more - but I don't remember where they came from) I may have been he only one looking at the presidential race as 51 different state and DC races rather than one national number.