Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey murder case

[GardeningGal]

KUSA - A Boulder County District Attorney investigator is bringing a suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case back to the United States.


The suspect was arrested in Bangkok, Thailand Wednesday morning.

The suspect has confessed to certain elements of the crime that are unknown to the general public.


Oops, forgot the link:

http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=KUSA&IKOBJECTID=189d522a-0abe-421a-00f3-dded5288de58&TEMPLATEID=0c76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bf

[Oreo]

1. Here's a link

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4921245,00.html

Authorities have announced the arrest of a suspect in the murder of Jon Benet Ramsey, who was found dead in her Boulder home the day after Christmas 1996, according to reports on MSNBC.

RockyMountainNews.com will have more details on this story shortly.

[underpants]

2. Another link-Arrest made in Bangkok Thailand no name given

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=55673

[Iwasthere]

60. YES ... it is a distration

Perhaps not a diliberate one by mastermind Rove but nonetheless a distration. And the administrattion will use this lull in the real news as an opportunity to take some breaths and regroup. They have an incredible nack for siezing distractions (especially these types that can wholely dominate the news). You watch, the media will cling to this story till something good (politically) comes along for the repubs and then switch gears.

[YDogg]

3. Wow. This'll be interesting to follow. Nancy Grace will be on fire!

:sarcasm:

[Connie_Corleone]

6. Her eyeballs will really be popping out of their sockets over this.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

7. Her nostrils...

Will flare to the size of the common septic tank.

[Bretttido]

87. And will they rupture?

:scared:

[caligirl]

100. No but her girations over this will be disgusting to watch.

[AngryAmish]

10. If only someone would set her on fire.........

[warrens]

20. Why do we waste our precious resources on trials?

Nancy knows they're ALL GUILTY!!! Unless she knows them personally, of course...

[Kelvin Mace]

67. Didn't Grace

villify the Ramsey's over this?

[JackORoses]

42. ha!

Popeye Grace

arrg-a-gargargargar

[cassiepriam]

110. self delete dup

[PretzelzRule]

152. n/t

"Hello, Frey-und!"

[derby378]

4. Did somebody say DISTRACTION?!?

Such odd timing, especially with Democrats picking up steam in House and Senate races nationwide despite those terrorism arrests in the UK...

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. Oh stop it

I mean, puh-fucking-leez.

Some things aren't connected to Bush, you know?

[warrens]

21. The instant reaction...nothing is news anymore

Just a Rove conspiracy to take the eye of state-of-the-art fascism. Even Rove ain't THAT good. Some stuff is news, period. And not everyone turns to the political news first thing. I wish some of the people here would get a fucking grip. Next, they'll want the world series cancelled because it's just distracting people from the midterms. Gag.

[geomon666]

44. Yeah but come on.

You know this is just the excuse the media needs not to cover Bush's failings. Now you know that.

[Kelvin Mace]

72. I don't know the media will be all afire over this one

seeing as they led the witch hunt against the parents for years. This would mean admitting error, something the media is LOATHE to do.

[geomon666]

74. They don't have to admit error.

They never have. Why start now? They'll just pretend this is how it's always been.

[YDogg]

103. I concur. Ratings are everything. This war is soooooo depressing.

Seems I've heard that somewhere before ...

[Ragin_mad]

61. some people live and breathe nothing but politics

So to them everything that happens in life must have some kind of political connection.

[Kelvin Mace]

69. Now, now

you are harshing their deeply held belief that EVERYTHING is controlled by Rove.

[Writer]

79. I just returned from New York City after attending a meeting with Rove...

and the executive producers of every television news media outlet in the United States. We were together strategizing how to use the JonBenet Ramsey case as a means to distract the American viewer from the "unfortunate" failings of the Bush Administration. We were all quite sinister, rubbing our palms together with our eyes rolling in their sockets. It was a small room, too, filled with great quantities of cigarette smoke. Now you know the evil plan we're hatching. :evilgrin:

[Kelvin Mace]

95. But tell me,

is everyone required to put on a fake "Boris Badanov"-style mustaches while plotting, or is that only for formal occasions?

[Writer]

97. Actually it's bear suits...

and we refer to one another by Care Bear names. I was Cuddles.

[Pale Blue Dot]

13. How would this help? They're BEHIND.

The last thing they need right now is a distraction.

[Divine Discontent]

143. NO NO NO

I AGREE WITH derby378, sure, some things bush can't cause/change but,

it's odd timing... but the point that is valid is that the media will center on this for WEEKS and months possibly in an over the top way to fill the air time with murder cases instead of things that are affecting all of us every day. This needs covered in a normal manner, because 10 years ago a young girl was murdered, but they'll use it to focus away from Bush.

REMEMBER TOO - the whistleblower of abu ghraib is also talking on shows just before this news was announced. They know that the real harsh news is overwhelming their chances to steal the elections because of public sentiment being clearly over 50% against them, so they will prop this story way outta proportion.

[EFerrari]

5. I so hope family and friends can find peace. n/t

[Marie26]

43. Me too.

Even when Patsy Ramsey died, CNN had various "experts" on speculating on how she probably really had committed the murder. Just awful.

[EFerrari]

54. Horrendous. I've been in the position of having people speculate

if I caused a problem my family member had. On top of everything else, the callous disregard.


Let's send good thoughts out to that family. :(

[newyorican]

9. I sense a field day in video re-runs...

starring rabid bitches like Nancy Grace (and others) all but saying the Ramseys killed thier own daughter.

Possibly time to start heating up the crow. But eating crow may be the least of the worries, some of the over-the-top statements may be fodder for lawsuits.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

12. That would be fantastic!

I'm sick and tired of all the hate-filled, let's-presume-everybody-guilty, sensationalistic bullshit of these commentators.

[RebelOne]

17. Why do you call Nancy Grace a bitch?

You know she is a Democrat and one of us.

[AngryAmish]

18. Nancy Grace is a bitch

A liar, too.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. Because that shoe fits.

She's a horrible human being and certainly not one of us.

[davidwparker]

40. If they didn't arrest her mother (now dead) or her father, then it's

because she was ready to tar and feather them before they were convicted. That's why.

[LeftyMom]

41. Vile people can vote Dem too

She may be a registered Democrat but her inability to understand that not all accused persons are guilty means she is certainly not "one of us" in the sense of embracing Democratic values.

[L A Woman]

51. because she is a woman with an opinion

and, as we know, that is bad even in some democratic minds.

I LOVE Nancy Grace! I don't always agree with her, but I think she's awesome. And yes, she will be all over this story!

[Kelvin Mace]

76. Hardly.

She is a sensation monger, in the same mold as the Crosby chick who used to follow Countdown.

A bitch is a vindictive female. If it were a male (like Geraldo) he would be a prick.

Will Grace APOLOGIZE for the vile things she has said about the Ramsey's? I won't hold my breath.

[LisaM]

80. She also drove Gary Condit out of office and never apologized

for smearing his name, even after it was established that he had nothing to do with Chandra Levy's disappearance.

[LostinVA]

132. But, he lied to police and obstructed Justice

So, for that, I think he should have left office.... imo.

[LisaM]

137. How could he obstruct justice if he had no knowledge of the incident?

My boyfriend and I argue over this all the time. He didn't know what happened to her. His affair with her, IMHO, was completely irrelevant. What was he supposed to tell them? But aside from that, she was relentlessly accusing of him, trying him in front of everyone as the murderer, and I don't believe she ever admitted she was wrong.

[Kelvin Mace]

73. I have absoutely no use for Grace

She's as dedicated a Dem as Lieberman is. She has ZERO respect for the American judicial system, especially the presumption of innocence.

[Critters2]

92. She may be one of you,

but she's NOT one of me!

[Renew Deal]

117. The republicans can have her.

She disgusts me. Did you see what she did to Elizabeth Smart? She's pure evil. :puke:

[brentspeak]

123. Where'd you get that Nancy Grace "is a Democrat and one of us"?

Doing a web search, I found nothing at all on her political affiliation.

[L A Woman]

209. I guess you don't watch her show

She has gone on many a rant about the Bush administration - she loathes them all.

I like her - it's her job to take the side of the prosecution (because she is a prosecutor) and she usually has someone on her show to take the other side.

However, I can't comment on what she has said about the Ramseys because I have never heard her talk about them.

[Megahurtz]

11. Wow. Weird.

:o

[Bushies gotta go]

14. I hope that

every single person who helped send her mother to her grave under suspicion of killing JonBenet will choke on crow.

[jbnow]

50. That's not what killed her mother

but it's a shame the killer wasn't found many years ago. What a heartache to deal with the grief of the loss and having people think one of you were guilty of it.

The news is saying Patsy knew about this suspect before she died...but still that was a heavy cloud to live under.

I admit I thought they might have done it under those circumstances. I wasn't sure, didn't think about it a lot. I HOPED if they didn't do it someone would be caught to free the family of that burden and not add to their grief.
If I recall there were even stories that her brother might have done something.

Better late than never, but sooner would have been so much better.

[merci_me]

98. I would argue it could have contributed heavily to her death.

Being a cancer survivor, married to a two-time cancer survivor and working for over 20 years with others going through cancer, I can tell you, the journey through the cancer experience is VERY much affected by emotions, unrelated to the cancer itself.

To not only have her daughter murdered, but to be under suspicion, have her husband under suspicion and to know many are looking at your son, if not you or your husband, as the possible murderer of your little girl.

I am amazed she had the strength to fight the battle for over 10 years.

[Skittles]

172. I believe that too

Patsey lived with a lot of anguish

[customerserviceguy]

181. Good

She deserved anguish. She turned her daughter into a whore-wannabe. I still think of little JonBenet shaking her ass for the camera, no doubt her mother taught her that move, it's probably how she became Miss West Virginia.

I'd hope that people would be smart enough to see what the beauty pageant industry is turning young girls into, but they're still too damn dumb to figure it all out...

[Skittles]

205. while I think they used bad judgement with the pageant business

no one deserves to be accused of their child's murder without real evidence

[mainer]

15. I have a friend inside the investigation...

and the autopsy report alone would have convinced you that it was an outsider who did this. Not the parents.

[Suich]

53. How far inside the investigation?

pm me, if you are so inclined.

[Kelvin Mace]

78. I have NO ONE on the inside

and the evidence alone was clear cut that it was an outsider.

[WI_DEM]

16. I think the media perhaps owes an apology for the years of hounding

the Ramsey's.

[L A Woman]

55. don't forget the grave-dancers here on DU a few weeks ago

the poor woman lost her child and died of cancer at 49 and it was shocking to see the number of DUers who were dancing on her grave. No matter what comes of THIS story, i don't believe SHE had anything to do with her daughter's murder.

[ovidsen]

68. How true

Some people were dancing on Patsy's grave, having already tried and convicted her.

It was pretty disgusting.

[Kelvin Mace]

82. I was on that thread,

and I am going to look it up and link to it and ask the posters whether they will have the human decency to apologize for their remarks.

[Akim]

185. She Had Nothing to Do With the Murder But Everything to Do ...

With the Cover-Up. Patsy faked a ransom note in an attempt to give her husband an alibi.

[Skittles]

207. uh huh

so she'd make it pages long, and indicate a monetary amount that would make it insider knowledge. Yeah, that's logical.

[Akim]

216. Was Patsy Ramsey Ever "Logical" In Her Life?

Is it "logical" to stick by a husband who murdered and savaged your 6-year-old daughter?

[Julius Civitatus]

179. Nancy Grace should be the first one in line to apologize

She made her TV career on her accusations against the Ramseys.

[Cyrano]

22. Arrest in Jon Benet Ramsey murder case.

Just heard on the radio that someone had been arrested in the murder of Jon Benet Ramsey. Don't know who.

Put the war on hold. From now on, it's going to be Jon Benet 24/7 on all the cable news channels.

Do you suppose this is a Cheney/Rove distraction?

(Link in first posting below.)

[underpants]

23. Arrest made in Bangkok Thailand no name given

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=55673

[gully]

161. He's been identified as a 42 y/o elementary teacher named John Karr.

Scary shit.

[pokercat999]

174. I wonder if the murderer had a link to those child

"beauty pageants" that are so disgusting.

[gully]

202. I wonder as well, and agree that they are disgusting.

eom

[Caution]

24. Hopefully it is exactly what it appears to be.

A break in a murder case. Here's hoping whoever is responsible is brought to justice.

The media will certainly be all over it, but to somehow blame this on Rove seems just a little too tinfoil dontcha think? The guy isn't a god. He's just a smart, evil asshole.

[Cyrano]

29. I was being sarcastic.

[brentspeak]

25. Do you have link? This is LBN.

[eleny]

26. Oh my god...

I'm in Colorado and it was Jon Benet morning, noon and night back then. It was imortant but for pity sakes. Enough already.

[mountainvue]

58. For those of us that were here in Colorado

then and still here with kids, we were out of our minds with worry. I just feel sadness for the family now and relief that this mionster has confessed.

[eleny]

111. Of course, you're right

I'm glad that you feel relief. I just hope we don't have to live and breathe every minute of the trial. The local news said her mom knew about this person before she died and had that small comfort that justice might be done.

[Name removed]

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Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

28. I have a theory:

It's Gary Glitter. ;-)

[FlavaKreemSnak]

30. Israel says it won't leave Lebanon

Maybe they think if they have the war there on again it will look like America was not successful in bringing peace and democracy there, and you know they do studies to find out which news stories people like, and this one was like super popular even more than the girl from Alabama who disappeared on the island.

[brentspeak]

32. ???

[FlavaKreemSnak]

36. I am answering the person's question. Didn't you see it?

Where he asks if it is a distraction?

[izzie]

31. I was always sure it was the mother. and father covered it up

I do not think I can take this for 24 hrs. a day. It was a strange thing any how. That poor little un-taloned kids pushed around like a pet dog. Just sad.

[stanwyck]

90. Me, too. I've been sure

either Mom or Dad had something to do with her death. The aftermath was just so bizarre. The strange ransom note mentioning the specific amount that coincided with the father's bonus. The family not finding the body for hours.
Could be we've all been very, very wrong.

[babylonsister]

33. You're right, Cyrano. Jon Benet ad nauseum. Ugh. nt

[WI_DEM]

34. I'm delighted as long as they have concrete proof

Nobody's murder should go unsolved.

[newyorican]

35. Waiting for Nancy Graces head to explode...

from having to stuff her pie-hole full of crow.

[LA lady]

37. Ha!

The whole world is guilty in her beady eyes!

I remember when the guy in the Elizabeth Smart case died in prison and was found to be innocent, she STILL wouldn't back down. I can't STAND her.

[Sherman A1]

39. That would be entertaining

[Kingshakabobo]

45. A few people on DU may have to eat some crow too......

I'm referring to the posters that danced(figuratively) on the mother's grave when she passed away earlier this year.

[Writer]

52. That was shameful.

But it shows why there was so much talk of her guilt in the first place - because many Americans salivated over the idea. The media fed us what many of us wanted to believe.

[LiberalHeart]

145. Exactly. It was truly disgusting.

All it took was looking at the evidence, and lack thereof, to know the parents and brother were not involved. The media circus in the beginning got people locked into their views and they just refused to let go, despite so much information that built up in the days that followed showing that the family was not guilty -- that they were victims.

I could barely believe how some DUers were flinging about the misinformation as if it were fact, then getting pissed off when corrected, denying that the correctives were accurate. You could give them link after link to the facts and the debunked rumors, but all they did was get snippy and dismissive. Their blinders were so firmly in place, they weren't capable of looking at the facts.

[Bjornsdotter]

84. Must see TV

Now THAT I would watch...and Tivo...and watch again...and maybe in reverse also.

Cheers

[Julius Civitatus]

178. She made a career off vilifying the Ramseys

and dogging them for years with accusations of the murder.

An apology would be the right thing to do.

[RamboLiberal]

38. Cheney/Rove distraction - no way

IMHO it takes Terror, terror, terror, out of many of the cable talk shows.

Be interested in what they have though I know I'm going to hate the cable overkill!

[TX-RAT]

59. Suspect was a school teacher from Conyers GA, at one time.

[951-Riverside]

62. That Gary Glitter really gets around.

:sarcasm:

[izzie]

169. Was there a letter? Been a long time but mother came to my mind

I sure thought it was a sad case all over for this little girl. It was like those mother's of movie stars. Their kids are like pets not real people.

[LisaM]

46. I'm so tempted to guess it's Neil Bush

since he has both Colorado connections and a less than savory history in Thailand, but it would be, well WRONG to speculate, wouldn't it?

[merci_me]

63. OMG, I thought I was the only one evil enough

to immediately say, "Oh if only it's tied to Nielsy."

Just heard, it's an American male, who TEACHES 2ND GRADE!!

[booksenkatz]

70. Good ole Neil

[MnFats]

47. I;m just sayin'...an arrest in Thailand does not necessarily exonerate...

..ANYONE.
...Lets's have more facts here.
...We don't have much and people are guessing.
...There is such a thing as conspiracy to commit murder and murder for hire.
...I AIN'T Saying that;s what happened.....but there are few FACTS out there rightnow...

[hashibabba]

48. Dan Abrams of MSNBC says

that Patsy knew they were after this guy before she died. Maybe she rest in peace (may the story rest in peace now, too).

[Roon]

49. Well, I'll be damned

I thought her parents did it, I read a couple of books written by the DA and others and I thought everything pointed to the parents. My name is Mudd.

[Megahurtz]

57. I think the Dad did it.

But we shall see...........

[LiberalHeart]

146. jesus ... what does it take?

[kurth]

56. The suspect confessed to whom?

If it was Colorado authorities, then why did they let him leave the U.S.?

[Joanne98]

64. Suspect is an American and a second grade school teacher.

[hashibabba]

65. 41-year-old convited sex offender. No surprise there. n/t

[merci_me]

66. BREAKING MSNBC reporting-American 2nd grade teacher

convicted sex-offender, 41 yrs old.

MSNBC has the name, not reporting the name just yet.

[Writer]

71. May I emphasize that when the name is released...

the MAN STILL DESERVES A TRIAL?

[Bjornsdotter]

75. Well...

...I think that goes without saying. Did someone say different?

Cheers

[Writer]

83. In many of our minds he will be guilty until proven innocent. n/t

[hashibabba]

85. Well, sadly that[s probably true,

but natural for us to *assume* if he has already confessed. And Hopefully the DNA evidence will match his.

[Bjornsdotter]

99. Yes, the DNA

We'll have to see what comes of that...

Cheers

[TheWraith]

109. Unfortunately, a confession isn't what it used to be.

It's disturbingly common these days to hold a suspect without food or sleep for days at a time, demanding a confession for hours on end, threatening them with imprisonment, until they crack and either take a false offer of leniancy, or actually begin to believe that they did it.

Not saying that that's neccessarily what happened here, but an unscrupulous police officer or officers, interested in retiring a black eye on their department, could conceivably decide that they had as good a suspect as any, and force him into a confession in order to close the case. It's also not impractical to feed someone unreleased details of the crime in order to make a confession sound legitimate.

There's a lot of unanswered questions as yet.

[Bjornsdotter]

130. Yes

Sometimes it is hard to separate our emotions from our thoughts....I've been guilty of that on occasion.

Cheers

[LiberalHeart]

148. Or until he takes back his confession of some parts of the crime?

Stuff that only the investigators knew...

[Kelvin Mace]

93. Yeah, but the pundits

and many here are not interested in fairness.

[LostinVA]

133. This whole case has been so messed up, this arrest means nil

right now. We shall see.

[Raine]

77. It's a shame that

the mother didn't live long enough to see a suspect arrested.

[hashibabba]

81. But she did know.

She knew about this suspect who they were searching for before she died.

[Raine]

141. Thanks for

that info, I didn't know that.

[Akim]

151. Nothing Will Be Known Until The Suspect Answers This Question:

What is your connection, if any, to the Ramseys?

[ckramer]

86. What took them so long?????

This is nuts!

I feel sorry for the mom.

[TankLV]

88. Another "coincidental" distraction - just in time!

The timing stinks to high heaven, even IF true...

Until proven otherwise, I smell ANOTHER rove setup...

[OzarkDem]

89. Doesn't add up

How does a school teacher from Georgia travel all the way to Boulder, CO and break into someone's house in the middle of the night to molest and kill a little girl?

[Bunny]

94. He may have lived near or otherwise knew the Ramseys in Conyers GA?

I think I just heard Catherine Crier talking about this on CourtTV.

[Roon]

96. Write a practice note, write the note

find a place to hide the body in the house, bla bla bla. This guy is a freak! Oh, and why 118,000 ransom?

[Pacifist Patriot]

107. At some point, the Ramseys lived in Georgia. Mr. Ramsey's...

older daughter Beth was in my French class in high school. She died in a car accident in 1992. I think they must originally be from Georgia because Beth was buried in Marietta, and if I'm not mistaken I think Patsy and JonBenet are buried there as well. The family has had a very tragic go of it.

[OzarkDem]

115. Still, why would a killer commute

all the way from Georgia to Colorado? She was murdered in Colorado.

Perhaps it will make more sense when the facts come out.

[Skittles]

173. he was obsessed with that lttle girl

that's what I think

[cassiepriam]

113. I agree things not adding up here.

Big missing pieces.

[complain jane]

203. This entire story is pretty friggen far fetched

News said he picked her UP FROM SCHOOL, took her to her own basement and attacked her there.

Didn't they find her the next morning, supposedly?

So if that's true then he picks her up from school, goes into her house with her (where were her parents?), takes her to the basement and rapes & kills her and her parents don't find her until the next morning?

WTF?

Either some wrong info is getting out or this is a load of crap.

[cassiepriam]

204. Yes I agree, something not right with what we are hearing.

How could his version of events have happened? Does not make sense.

Also why did the Ramseys not cooperate with police,
not take a lie detector test, get separate attorneys right away?

And I read in the paper today that this fellow they arrested has been obsessed with the Jon Bennett case for years and has told people he served jail time as a suspect in the past, which I do not believe is true. The story gets stranger and stranger.

But I did hear on the news that he had info about the crime that no one else knew except the police and the perp.

Perhaps we are not getting correct info at this point.
Things are not making any sense to me.

[Marie26]

126. If the DNA adds up,

that is all I need to know. I'm not sure the motives will ever "add up" to anyone.

[gully]

165. "originally" from Georgia I believe?

eom

[Sticky]

91. I'm sorry Patsy didn't live to see this

As a mother who has also lost a child of the same age, I never believed Patsy or John hurt thier daughter. I don't know how I knew, just a bereaved parent instinct, I guess.

[Skittles]

171. no motive

and I hoped the lesson learned is you can never measure a person's grief, or compare it to what "you would do" - you never know how a person would act in their darkest hour, not even your own.

[MallRat]

101. Folks, don't get into a tizzy about this being good for the GOP.

Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.

If anything, a story like this results in inertia in public opinion in politics. If we get 2 weeks of wall-to-wall JonBenet coverage, it's going to suck all the oxygen out of the atmosphere.

Distraction, yes. But it ISN'T good for the Republicans.

-MR

[0007]

102. What a bunch of crap!

[msanthrope]

104. Finally--And every poster who ever doubted me???? STFU.

STFU. No really--

Every single poster who every doubted, who ever posted their BS about the parents--well, screw you.

[Bjornsdotter]

114. It's all about you?

:eyes:

[Akim]

147. No Apologies Are Due Yet

Some Questions Still Remain to be Answered:

1). What is the suspect's connection, if any, to the Ramseys.

2). How did he gain access to their home?

3). Had he visited the Ramsey house in the past?

4). In what capacity or for what purpose?

5). Why did Patsy Ramsey fake a ransom to protect the suspect.

6). Did she believe the suspect did it or her husband?

7). Was the suspect John's partner in crime?

8). Was the suspect Patsy's lover?

The questions have just begun.

[wakeme2008]

149. You really know nothing about this case do you

I do and you are blowing BS.

[Akim]

157. More Than You Anyway n/t

[wakeme2008]

158. LOL do not think that is true

Go back to watch Nancy Grace... :rofl:

[Throd]

105. Oh, those poor trees.

I am referring to the 10,000 acres of trees that will be sacrificed so that we can all enjoy more blaring headlines at the supermarket checkout counter from the Globe, Weekly World News, Star etc.

[wakeme2008]

106. From Detective Lou Smit Shoe ( he said they were NG long time ago)

Shoes, shoes, the dead man’s shoes, who will stand in the dead man’s shoes? I remember something
I read long ago:
.
THE DETECTIVE STANDS IN THE DEAD MAN’S SHOES TO PROTECT “HIS”
INTERESTS AGAINST THOSE OF ANYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD.
.
I guess . . . THAT’S WHAT IT’S ALL ABOUT – so many awesome responsibilities are
associated with standing in that dead man’s shoes.

[mcscajun]

108. Wow! Amazing news. Glad the mom knew of this development

(the discovery of a suspect, that is) before she passed on.

Should be interesting to see how the press handles it now, especially those who kept casting a dark cloud of suspicion on the parents.

Echoing others on this thread, Not Everything Is A Distraction. The world goes on despite BushCo.

[cassiepriam]

112. Thailand home of child prostitution and porno?

Any male relative of the Ramseys associated with porno??

[JackDragna]

116. I'm still not convinced this exonerates the mother..

..the handwriting sample is close to her handwriting and the fact the ransom note was "practiced" make it extremely unlikely the crime was committed completely by an outsider. This person may be involved in the crime, but it'll be interesting to see what else he has to say about it.

[Marie26]

124. We do not know the facts

The District's Attorney's Office does know the facts, and there was apparently enough to justify an arrest. Much of what was reported in the media was speculation, hyped & spun to get higher ratings. Not to mention those "experts" who profited from writing books accusing the family of this crime. The media hounded that family wherever they went, and I would hope at least some would have the grace to apologize. But I'm not betting on it.

[medeak]

128. handwriting undetermined and 5 FIVE lie detector test neg.. n/t

[EMAN51]

118. Very Skeptical

Look, I never want to believe the father or mother are involved in this disgusting tragedy, and certainly it appears, on the surface, that they are not. But until we know what the evidence is against this suspect and the particulars I will not rush to his judgement. A 41 one yr. old second grade school teacher? In Thailand? Imagine this scenario: Wealthy person, accused and convicted in the court of public opinion, makes arrangement with down on his luck no-goodnik to finance his lifestyle in exchange for his agreement to cop to the crime when appropriate. "Admits to certain aspects of the crime known only to the perpetrator?" Facts perhaps provided by his benefactor, the real killer.

I know, it's far-fetched and not overly rational, perhaps better imagined in the minds of a mystery writer. Just a little food for thought..

[Whoa_Nelly]

119. Here's a thought...

John Mark Carr "...was arrested Wednesday morning and has confessed to certain elements of the crime that are unknown to the general public, CNN affiliate KUSA reported." http://edition.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/16/ramsey.arrest/

He's confessed to certain elements not known to the general public. Confessed...actual wording or NewsSpeak?

Could it be he's not the killer, but KNOWS the killer?


Details screwed up as they come in by all International, National, and Local news media outlets :silly:

[Sadie5]

121. The layout of the house

Is one that would only be known to someone familiar with the house. The layout was strange and if the perp crawled in through the basement as was suggested then how would he have known where Jon Benet's bedroom was. I believe there was three floors to the house and Jon benet was on the third floor.

[Marie26]

125. Says who?

Nancy Grace?

[justice1]

120. Finally, I have felt so bad for the family all of these years.

[Democrats_win]

122. Peter Boyles must LEAVE COLORADO NOW!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

JonBenet died on December 26th and on December 27th Peter Boyles led the charge that her parents did it. In the past ten years, Coloradoans have asked "What if..."

Now it is time for Boyles to apologize, give the Ramsey family a ton of money and get the f*ck out of Colorado!!!! I'm preparing the tar, you bring the feathers.

Oh, and take Republican Gov. Bill Owens with you because his innuendo in this case was just as shameful!!!

[mountainvue]

135. Not to mention that detective

who wrote a book accusing the Ramseys of murder... He's made his money now.

[medeak]

127. FOX NEWS says he has alibi

from interview with family... protecting pedophile..major creep factor

[LostinVA]

134. He may have an alibi, he may not

I'll say it again: the investigation and evidence in this crime was messed up from the first second. It will be interesting to see how this pans out.

[ConcernedCanuk]

129. Media Distraction from REAL issues? - seems to be working purty good

.
.
.

over 120 posts on a 10 year old murder

(no disrespect for the passing of JonBennet or the loss to her loved ones intended)

should have at least that for every Iraqi murdered as a result of Bush gang's slaughter in Iraq

Oh wait

DU's servers couldn't handle all that traffic . . .

BUT

The MSM in Murikkka will get DEFINITE support from the PNACers to play this one up loud and long . .

As they did with Elizabeth Smart

Another cute blond

Black people get murdered all the time too ya know,

not much hoopla about that

(sigh)

[Turn CO Blue]

131. This is a VERY important story - NOT a "distraction"

I have wanted JUSTICE for that little girl for TEN YEARS NOW!

Kkkarl Rove has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS - this is what "news" is, people.

This is and has been a very important story in Colorado for ten years. Those people lived 20 miles from my house, for Pete's sake.

How can everybody's tin-foil hats be so damned tight that they would actually think this story is a distraction?


Aaaaaaargh.

JUSTICE FOR JONBENET! Let the investigation continue!

[LostinVA]

136. No, I agree -- Justice for little JonBenet

All for the evidence has, to me, pointed to a coverup by insiders... although I have NEVER thought she was murdered. MOst profilers and coroners have also said this. If someone else did it, or has evidence of who did, that's great. From Day One, I've always said that she's the one who's important.

Again, it will be interesting to see what plays out... because the Boulder cops screwed up the evidence from day one.

[Akim]

138. The fact remains that Patsy Ramsey wrote a fake ransom note.

The fact remains that Patsy Ramsey wrote a fake ransom note, a diatribe of several pages which attempted to shift the blame to "foreign investors" for the murder. The non-sensical note, written in Patsy's distinctive grandiose style with archaisms that she routinely used in her correspondence, also demanded a ransom amount that was exactly the sum of her husband's Christmas bonus that year. Also John was excluded as the writer of the note, Patsy could not be excluded.

If a third party committed or assisted in the murder, then Patsy Ramsey must have had some reason for faking the ransom note, whether it is that she feared her husband was responsible or the Ramseys had some connection to the killer that they were trying to conceal for whatever reason.

[wakeme2008]

150. Says WHO...

Not the evidence and tests.

[Akim]

153. Here's the Evidence that Patsy Ramsey Wrote Fake Ransom Note

http://www.statementanalysis.com/ramseynote/

JonBenet Ramsey Ransom Note

A key piece of evidence in solving this murder is the ransom note. The police as well as the Ramseys believe that whoever wrote the note is probably the killer. If the police can match the handwriting in the ransom note to a suspect's handwriting, the case is solved. The problem has been they have not found a match. Even without a positive match, the ransom note is still the key to solving this crime.

Using Statement Analysis we can examine this ransom note and determine if it is a legitimate ransom note. Was it the intention of the writer to extort money from the Ramseys, or was the note written as a ploy after JonBenet was killed? Determining the veracity of the ransom note is important. If the note is legitimate, then we know we have a kidnapping that went bad. This would exclude the Ramseys as possible suspects. Why would they kidnap their own child and demand money from themselves? If the note is fraudulent, then we know this was a murder made to look like a kidnapping. Anyone could be a possible suspect. Let's examine the ransom note left at the Ramsey residence. I have added the numbers in the left hand column to make it easier to reference while analyzing it.

[wakeme2008]

154. That is a BS blog site not a FACT site

get real.

[Akim]

156. It Is Neither BS Nor a Blogsite: Read It

Get real yourself.

[jakefrep]

166. No it isn't...it certainly isn't worth breaking into real news for.

All we're going to get out of this is another stupid, grotesque, pseudo-celebrity show trial. There's not going to be any justice here.

[Beausoir]

139. I will wait for some facts.

Meanwhile, we all will be treated to endless clips of that poor little girl, dressed up like a $5 hooker, parading around in front of strangers, shaking her little butt, while her parents beam proudly from the side stage.

Her parents are/were sick for putting that child through that horrific display over and over again.

[medeak]

140. I was in pageant with Las Vegas showgirls at age 3

somehow survived.... think you are judging way too harshly.. Mom was a beauty contestant..it's not that big a deal in many circles..(especially those of us from the south)

[Beausoir]

163. Babies with bleached hair, heavy makeup and revealing costumes...

regardless of geographical location...wrong is wrong. You are damn right I will judge people who put their children through these kiddie peep shows.

Most people from the south would NEVER sexualize their baby girl in such a way. For godsakes....capping their baby teeth? Making them wear contact lenses? At 3 years old?

I am glad you survived. I really am. I can't imagine what you, at the age of 3, gained from the whole experience, but I am glad you are ok.

[medeak]

167. It was a joke....my parents were Vegas entertainers

get over it...

I felt pretty good about myself in swimsuit with the most beautiful girls in Vegas... got a miniature trophy.

It's showbiz folks!

[Beausoir]

168. You were 3. Do you actually remember it?

I think you and I are talking about different things.

[medeak]

201. vividly n/t

[HuffleClaw]

142. justice? or a rove-ian distraction?

i'm leaning towards the latter.

[onenote]

159. then you've tilted off the edge of reality

[HuffleClaw]

175. you really think such a thing is beyond BushCo. to engineer?

lets see. its the main story on the websites of ABC, CBS, FOX, MSNBC, CNN, the Los Angeles and New York Times, and is featured on CBC, BBC, SkyNews, and Reuters. ya suppose maybe, just maybe that this is exactly the sort of distraction that is tailor-made for BushCo.?

[onenote]

177. or maybe its just news.

News happens. Get a grip.

[Marie26]

184. As opposed to

terror, terror, terror & Mel Gibson? Because if it wasn't for this story, the TV news would be doing in-depth documentaries on the Downing Street Memo? I don't think so.

[caligirl]

144. He may have also lived in Petaluma Ca. Press here in the bay area

say his exwife is really upset right now. Neighbors say a Karr fitting this guys desription lived here. He was a sub teacher in 2001 for a short time until the school district got a call from the police warning them.

[mountainvue]

160. It's the same guy. He was busted

for having child porn and never showed up in court.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=local&id=4468925

Ramsey Suspect's Bay Area TiesTaught In Petaluma School District

41-year-old John Karr and his then-wife, Laura, once lived in Petaluma. She told us they were married back in 1989 and lived in Alabama until the year 2000 when they moved to Petaluma.

snip

In the year 2001, Karr was charged with five counts of possessing child pornography. His teaching credential in Petaluma was suspended, then revoked for violating the education code.

He is still wanted in California. A warrant is still out for his arrest for failure to appear on those charges.

Laura Karr filed for divorce after her husband was charged in 2001. She says her husband did a lot of research on the JonBenet Ramsey case and also on Petaluma's own Polly Klaas.

[caligirl]

162. Note that she says he was with her when the child was killed?

A former schoolteacher who worked in the Petaluma School District is now in custody in Thailand in connection with the murder of JonBenet Ramsey.
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The suspect, John Mark Karr, lived for a time in the North Bay with his wife and three kids.

41-year-old John Karr and his then-wife, Laura, once lived in Petaluma. She told us they were married back in 1989 and lived in Alabama until the year 2000 when they moved to Petaluma.

Karr taught in the Petaluma School District as a substitute schoolteacher from December of 2000 until April of 2001. The district says they had no complaints about him. Karr also spent time as a teacher in Napa during the same period, working to become a full-fledged credentialed teacher.

In April of 2001, Karr was arrested at a school in Napa on five counts of possessing child pornography. He did serve some time in jail, but was released on his own recognizance in October and later failed to show up in court. He is wanted in Sonoma County and a warrant is still out for his arrest for failure to appear on those charges.

His teaching credential in Petaluma was suspended, then revoked for violating the education code.

Laura Karr filed for divorce after her husband was charged in 2001. When he was allowed out of jail, it was with a lot of limitations and restrictions, including supervised visits with his own children and he was not allowed to be around other children. He was ordered to stay off the computer. Investigators say he was using the computer for child pornography.

His ex-wife also says her husband did a lot of research on the JonBenet Ramsey case and also on Petaluma's own Polly Klaas.

Laura Karr also tells us she's devastated and embarrassed by these murder charges, but she does not believe that her husband did it. She says that during Christmas season of 1996 when JonBenet Ramsey was strangled and beaten to death in Colorado, they were living in Alabama at the time and she was with him the entire Christmas season.

We spoke with a former neighbor of his, Sylvia Ross, who described him as "friendly, but divisive." She says that everyone in the neighborhood knew about the child pornography charges, but were afraid to talk openly about them.

Copyright 2006, ABC7/KGO-TV/DT.

[LiberalHeart]

155. M. Klaas needs to shut up.

He just sat on TV with his bare fact hanging out, listing the "evidence" against Patsy -- never mind that what he listed was debunked ages ago. He just can't let go because he was one of the first to blast the parents in the media. People need to learn when to let go of their insane bias and face the facts.

[Corgigal]

164. If true

Good work Boulder DA's office and their investigators. I hope they have some forensic science on this guy too. Evil son of a bitch.

[gorekerrydreamticket]

176. Hmm, kind of hard to buy this...

There's the pesky fact that this lunatic's wife and brother say that they were with the guy in Alabama on the night of the murder. His wife divorced him years ago. Why would she be trying to help him with an alibi? Doesn't seem to be any mention that he was ever living or working in Boulder. Sounds like a loon making a confession to get some attention.

[Akim]

180. Wouldn't Be the First Time. n/t

[shayes51]

182. I'm beginning to doubt this guy is the one.

I certainly hope he is the one so all this can be put to rest, but he seems like a person who is loving the attention. So why would he wait ten years for it? Perhaps we will hear from the DNA soon.

[Ganja Ninja]

190. I'd wait and see on this as well.

People don't successfully evade the police for 10 years and then confess the first time a camera is shoved in their face. It doesn't add up.
Some people are so desperate for attention they'll do anything even confess to a horrible crime like this one.

[Skittles]

170. I was correct then

I'm a true crime buff and I simply never saw a motive for the parents in this case; also, I am always very uncomfortable when people start telling us how others should act in their grief - you never know, you just never know how anyone will act when the worst happens to them

[Akim]

183. John Ramsey Is the Luckiest Man On Earth

How lucky can a man get? Ask John Ramsey.

First, his wife covers up for him.

Then his wife (and only eyewitness) dies.

Then some nutcase who's never been in Colorado takes credit for the crime.

And the nutcase (predictably) happens to be a pedophile.

Next John Ramsey will be named "Father of the Year."

Are people really this gullible?

Yes.

[Marie26]

186. Just stop it. nt

[Akim]

187. Suspect Karr Has Never Been in Colorado

Anyone can take responsibility for any crime and the world will beat a path to his door. This nutcase Karr has NEVER been in Colorado in his life. How you can reconcile that fact with being JoanBenet's killer, I don't know.

[Marie26]

189. And you know this how? nt

[Akim]

191. Watch the News

Not only wasn't Karr in Colorado on the night of the murder, he has never set foot in the state.

John Ramsey's lawyer has just said that DNA samples have been taken from Karr and are being compared to the foreign DNA found in JoanBenet's undergarments. The results are pending.

If the results are negative (as they will certainly be), what will you say then?

[Marie26]

192. If there's one lesson

to be learned here, it's don't trust the cable news, especially when they're endlessly speculating w/o facts. NBC reported at first that there was already a DNA match, when there was not. I'd like to see a link for this, & if you don't have one, you shouldn't be claiming it as fact.

[Akim]

194. The Results of the DNA TEST

Don't worry. When the results are announced of the DNA test, you won't need a link. Even someone who lives immured from cable news will hear it from the roof tops.

[Marie26]

195. So, no link then? OK. nt

[Akim]

196. Put On the News! It's Being Reported Right Now. n/t

[Marie26]

198. Uh- huh.

:eyes:

[L A Woman]

208. Akim, why are you so vehemently defending Mr. Karr?

Even if is lying in his confession, a) it doesn't mean her parents killed her and b) he is still a pedophile! Not really worth defending, if you ask me!!!

[Akim]

212. Karr Is Innocent Except In His Own Warped Mind

I am not defending Karr. He is a vile creature who should rot in jail or an asylum for the rest of his life. But he shouldn't rot there because he killed JoanBenet, because he didn't kill her. He shouldn't rot there in place of John Ramsey, in whom you obviously see virtues that escape me.

[L A Woman]

219. i have never seen/heard any evidence against John Ramsey

it's not a matter of seeing "virtues" in him.

i say throw the fucking pedophile in a hole for the rest of his life. who cares why he's there? he's scum. we already know THAT much.

[gauguin57]

193. i heard last night he lived in boulder for a while?

so, where did this "never set foot in colorado" come from?

[anotherdrew]

217. I don't see any proof on any of the things being said about Karr

as of now it's still all a bunch of bullshit. For all we know this guy is being framed. Do any of you have any idea how EASY it is to frame someone on 5 counts of child pornography? and how impossible it would be to defend oneself?

[Skittles]

206. John Ramsey has lost two daughters

his wife died of cancer after 10 years of speculation she killed their daughter with no real evidence. That's lucky?

[Akim]

210. His Wife: The One & Only Eyewitness to His Crime Died. Yeah, He Was Lucky.

"His wife died of cancer after 10 years of speculation she killed their daughter with no real evidence. That's lucky?"

John Ramsey must have been very happy to have everybody speculate that his wife did it. When Patsy died, he lost a faithful companion AND also the one and only eyewitness to his crime. So, yeah, he was lucky.

[Skittles]

211. enough already

maybe one day when you are accused of a crime you did not commit you will understand. I don't know if this kook did it, all I know is I've never seen any real evidence the parents were involved.

[Akim]

214. Why Are You So Sure John Ramsey Didn't Commit the Crime? n/t

[Skittles]

215. for the same reason he has never been charged

no credible evidence

[Akim]

218. Hitler Was Never Charged With Anything Either.

Guilt does not consist in being charged or even convicted. You are guilty if you committed the crime, regardless of whether you were ever charged or convicted.

[Skittles]

220. HITLER?

good night, I am done with you

[Akim]

221. "Not Being Charged With a Crime" Is Not the Same Thing as Innocence

Hitler was never charged with any crime, but do you think that makes him innocent? Apply the same rule to John Ramsey.

Incidentally, the game is up: Karr has been exposed as a fraud.

John Ramsey is again the only living adult in the house when JonBenet was killed.

[cascadiance]

188. Curious is that this is 10 years later... Statute of limitations?

Now there is no statute of limitations for murder, which is why this guy is still able to be arrested now.

But it does seem weird that this is 10 years after the original crime. Makes me wonder if there's some sort of statute of limitations of 10 years for other crimes that might have been committed (perhaps by the Ramsey's in perhaps allowing this guy to "access" her or something like that?). That way if that fact comes out, they still don't get nailed for that other crime and will say "we've been punished enough" for being suspected of the murder all of these years, etc.

It just seems weird that 10 years later they conveniently arrest this guy now without explanation of why such a lead of finding him wasn't pursued earlier and him arrested earlier.

[NotGivingUp]

197. the whole thing smells of a huge distraction to me

[HuffleClaw]

222. and NOW they are starting to say 'hoax'

i'm gonna wait patiently for someone to track this back to who engineered it. should take no more than a week or so.

[Massachusetts]

199. Let Monk sort this out

lets not forget the "real time" tragedy of Iraq. Don't forget OUR troops.

[saigon68]

200. well put

[Skittles]

213. it is possible to care about more than one thing

I care very much about our troops but I also care about justice in America