NY Post: Hateful MoveOn vs. Lieberman: Site's Anti-Jewish Slurs

[DeepModem Mom]

HATEFUL 'MOVE' VS. JOE
SITE'S ANTI-JEWISH SLURS
By MAGGIE HABERMAN

September 5, 2006 -- A string of anti-Semitic rants about Sen. Joe Lieberman have popped up on the liberal MoveOn.org's open forum Web site, drawing criticism from the Anti-Defamation League....

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"We recognize that Action Forum is an open forum intended to foster the free flow of ideas," ADL head Abraham Foxman said in a letter dated Aug. 31 to MoveOn, which supported Lamont in the Democratic primary against Lieberman.

"Nevertheless, since such profoundly offensive content is appearing on a board clearly linked to MoveOn.org, we believe you should assume some responsibility to respond to this hateful content," Foxman wrote in the letter, which was forwarded by Lieberman's campaign.

Foxman cited examples from the site's Action Forum, including "media owning Jewish pigs," "Zionazis," a reference to the senator as "Jew Lieberman" and the question, "Why are the Jews so Jew-y?"...

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.... in a statement posted on the MoveOn site Saturday (Eli Pariser, executive director of the MoveOn Political Action Committee) wrote, "The comments that were posted were abhorrent. We were dismayed to see them, and removed them as soon as they came to our attention 17 days ago."...

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/hateful_move_vs__joe_nationalnews_maggie_haberman.htm

[Junkdrawer]

1. After that website "hack" on election day, it wouldn't surprise me...

if Joe's troops did the lion's share of the posting.

[LiberalEsto]

2. Probably posted by rethug swiftboaters

in an attempt to discredit Move-On.

[Julius Civitatus]

18. MoveOn should track the IP addresses of those posts

I'm sure they will find some surprises. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the work of right-wing trolls and sock-puppets. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if the uber-wingnut NY Post was behind this campaign. The Post's journalistic integrity is lower than dirt.

[TexasLawyer]

39. good idea!!!

[bluestateguy]

3. Isn't Eli Parisner (sp?) Jewish?

??

[Tiggeroshii]

30. I think so.. lol

Soemthing that wouldn't present itself in the post article.

[stepnw1f]

4. F'n Right Wing Magots

They pull anything they can to win. They make me sick! I hope they do some kind of an investigation to out the posters. Then find out if they came from Lieberman's people or some right wing asshole.

[zbdent]

14. Hmm, a new word popped into my mind to refer to Repukes ...

morgots ... combination of "moron" and "maggot" ...

[stepnw1f]

19. lol

repiglicon

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

37. Magorans.

Magorans.

[Brian Stevens]

26. riot nt

[truthisfreedom]

5. NY Post? c'mon, people, don't give a care. this is a rag not suitable for

collecting bird feces.

[DeepModem Mom]

9. That's true, but if the ADL is involved, and if the Lieberman campaign...

sent the Post this story, I think it's worth knowing.

[Kagemusha]

6. 17 days ago!!!

Goodness gracious, I could understand if the ADL told them about it and the comments stayed on for two and a half weeks, but if they were deleted the same day...!

How is that NOT assuming responsibility?

[Nite Owl]

7. Not to condone

the moveon posts but would the NYPost similarly condemn the hatefulness on the right wing sites? Think we all know that answer, there would be a lot of blank pages if they did.

[Frances]

8. Agree

MoveOn apologized and removed the posts. Why is Ann Coulter who advocates murder still in print and on TV?

[gratuitous]

12. Another pot/kettle question

Does the Post have reader comment blogs? Are there ever any anti-Semitic or hateful posts on those message boards? Does the Post feel that those comments are therefore their own, and that they are therefore liable to the same charge of anti-Semitism that they're leveling on Move On? Or is it "different" for the Post in some vague, non-specific way (such as the "we're rubber and you're glue" expedient)?

[LiberalFighter]

21. How about on their own site?

[DinahMoeHum]

10. The NY Post doth protest too much, methinks.

A POS yellow rag, if ever I saw one.

:evilfrown:

[Name removed]

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[brentspeak]

13. And you'll discover that many of the anti-semitic posts came from the RW

posting anonymously on moveon's site to discredit the organization. The same phenomonom goes on here at DU with regard to many issues (anti-Semitism, troop-bashing, conspiracy theories).

Are there non-RWers who post that trash? Of course there are. But they're just random kooks and freaks, not part of a self-motivated -- occasionally semi-organized -- trolling scheme performed by highly partisan Republican rank-and-file with too much time on their hands.

[Jazzgirl]

15. Why does it feel like joementum set this crap up?

Not saying there aren't some off the hook assholes out there that post shit like this but it just feels like a setup.

[Richard Steele]

16. This just SCREAMS 'false flag' operation. And we know that ROVE...

...is helping Joes campaign, so this should come as a surprise to no one.

The posts themselves might have come from anywhere,
lord knows there are plenty of hateful asshats on
the internets. But when a newspaper suddenly acts like
some stupid shite like this is NEWS, it's clear that
they have an agenda they are pushing.

And the ADL knows better than this. This is the internet
equivalent of having racist graffitti spray painted on
a house...and they are insisting that the HOMEOWNER
should "assume some responsibility".

I guess I can ASSUME that the ADL is still completely
and SHAMELESSLY in support of Joe.

[OKthatsIT]

20. Totally Rove

[Robbien]

17. If you read Agitprop's Weekend Wingnut Roundup

http://agitprop.typepad.com/agitprop/2006/09/its_a_long_week.html

What is written on right wingnut sites just make one want to vomit

sample


Hot Air (Allahpundit) - those British terror suspects ate together at a Chinese restaurant that's just up the block from a Persian restaurant - what further proof of Iranian involvement do you want?


NRO (Cliff May) - if we're going to get the American people to hate all Muslims we're going to have to figure out a really nasty name for them, so put on your thinking caps people.


NRO (Victor Davis Hanson) - the available evidence tells me it's OK to hate all Muslims now, so go ahead - give it a try!


Powerline - when those injured in Iraq don't die from their wounds it proves the level of violence is going down.

Protein Wisdom - permitting even the slightest bit of multiculturalism will result in dead girls buried in backyards, so we'd better put a stop to this 'tolerance' shit right now.

NRO - (Jonah Goldberg) - as usual I have nothing useful to add, so I'll just take Michael Ledeen's word for it that Muslims are all fascists.

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[AlienGirl]

29. What cultural attributes would you describe as "Jew-y"?

[Lurking Dem]

31. Y'know, AlienGirl

things like, "they're stingy with their money", and "they smell like pastrami". :sarcasm:

[muesa]

33. Maybe Groucho Marx eyebrows and cigars

and jokes :sarcasm:

[geek tragedy]

35. But they'll pay top scheckels for a pastrami sandwich

made with matzo bread dipped in the blood of gentile children!

That was snark, in case anyone is wondering.

[muesa]

32. Some questions

Mikey Jones posted:

Looks like Joe's using every cannon in his arsenal, even these jackasses
Apparently they're so tunnelvisioned that they don't realize the implications of him staying in office. And how is "Zionazis" a slur? It doesn't target Jews parsay but rather Zionists, which don't have to be Jewish but can belong to any race or group. And "Why are Jews so Jew-y" is arguably not a slur either because it describes cultural attributes of American Jews/Western Jews in specific and not neccessarily all Jews around the world. It's not a blind attack against all Jewish people, but rather certain specific individuals who may not have what is best in mind for America.

Look at the neocons, over half of them are Jews and they cry and whine anti-Semitism EVERYTIME they are proven wrong about something.

Question 1
And "Why are Jews so Jew-y" is arguably not a slur either because it describes cultural attributes of American Jews/Western Jews in specific and not neccessarily all Jews around the world. It's not a blind attack against all Jewish people, but rather certain specific individuals who may not have what is best in mind for America.

Kind of like the "Dumb Blonde" jokes or the Chico Marc "dialect jokes" or "Amos 'n' Andy".

Question 2
Look at the neocons, over half of them are Jews and they cry and whine anti-Semitism EVERYTIME they are proven wrong about something.

You might want to grab a look at "The Bush Agenda : Invading the World, One Economy at a Time" by Antonia Juhasz and think "Military-Industrial Complex" and "Big Oil" and "Carlyle Group." Those are the class of real Bush NeoCons - and the sociology and demography is about as Jewish as the WaffenSS.

(I worked --past tense-- in a related industry - not a lot of Jews)

[geek tragedy]

36. Mikey was either a plant or a bigot, so he won't be around

to answer your questions--at this board anyways.

[daleo]

23. The open forums on Ha'aretz have some incendiary comments too

I have seen hateful comments there both ways - anti-Jewish and anti-Muslim. These things are a feature of an open forum, as we all know. Smearing the organization by association with every ignorant post is unfair, especially given the existence of trolls.

P.S. - I think Ha'aretz is an extremely useful source, and only use them as an example of how easy it can be to smear a source, based on the uncontrolled content of posts.

[MikeyJones]

24. Is Ha-aretz a liberal paper?

I've heard it is, just curious.

[daleo]

25. I would categorize it as "more or less liberal"

I think they show a fairly wide range of opinion, including a substantial amount I would consider center to left. But they also have a fair bit of right wing commentary.

Others may or may not agree with my assessment.

[Matilda]

27. The New York Post is owned by Rupert Murdoch,

who couldn't lie straight in bed.

I wouldn't put it past Murdoch to have arranged to plant those posts.
It would be typical of his low style.

[geek tragedy]

34. I wonder if Murdoch planted the idiot here defending those posts.

It would make sense . . .

Edited to add: Thought so. I hope he enjoys his tombstone.

[Zhade]

28. Why are lies from the Murdoch rag "Post" allowed?

NT!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

38. For the same reason the NYT is allowed, I guess.