Breaking CNN: Rev. from Colorado admits to sex with Jones!

[napi21]

Thhis is just Breaking News on CNN I'll look for a link.

No link yet, but Wolfe just read the announcement and said Rev. Haggard has changed his story and has admitted to being a sexual devient.

[htuttle]

1. So which story is going to be front page tomorrow morning?

This one, or 'Saddam gets death penalty'?

:rofl:

[jonnywishbone97]

3. saddam getting the death penalty

just means more soldiers will die in the next month.

[wryter2000]

5. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[stop the bleeding]

6. Welcome to DU jonnywishbone97

:applause:

[TexasLawyer]

34. Chairman Kaga !?!!!

my hero!

[calimary]

35. Sigh... mine too.

:loveya:

[sarge43]

7. Sadly you're right

Welcome and enjoy.

[wordpix]

110. an interviewed Iraqi said the Baghdad bombings coincide with Saddam's court proceedings

[central scrutinizer]

14. Saddam is today's headline

he has had his fifteen minutes, bring on the sex

[phiddle]

22. Tomorrow's Front Page: "Kerry hates the troops."

[tinfoilinfor2005]

37. Tomorrow's Front Page: "Clinton Inspires Sex Scandal."

[gfnrob]

80. Front Page: Bush delays Vote, Cites national security

[Blaq Dem]

140. They can forgive Haggard but not Clinton???

I've seen members from Haggard's church crying about how much they will forgive him for what he's done. Yet, these are the same people who hooted and hollered about Clinton's affair with Monica. What a bunch of hypoclits!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

111. I predict: "Haggard Gets Jiggy With Saddam's Corpse"

:hide:

[patrice]

2. Jones failed the lie detector test because he feared being accused of drug

dealing.

This is why lie detector tests aren't evidence in a court of law: **Anything** you're worried or upset about can affect your responses in ways that make them in-accurate representations of the truth.

[gully]

24. Very good point.

.

[patrice]

28. It's not exactly proof of what happened with that test, but it IS

very likely.

I know I'd be nervous if I were under scrutiny and had given someone drugs.

[stop the bleeding]

4. you are correct - just saw/heard the read statement on Headline News n/t

[jonnywishbone97]

8. Thanks folks glad to be here.

I got tired of being banned from the freepers website.

[patrice]

30. Welcome jonnywishbone97!

I hope you continue your efforts to contribute constructively to the dialectic.

All of us need that, not just Freepers, though they DO need it more than most.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

49. Uhh...Patrice?

"Contribute constructively"? Except in The Lounge, right?

Wait until he sees a Yak thread break out. ;-)

[caledesi]

31. I got banned from there a bunch of times for telling the truth.

At DU you can debate, but back it up. All posts expect links to support what they are saying, unlike FR (except personal posts of course).

Welcome, just in time to celebrate our win on the 7th.

[calimary]

39. Welcome to DU!

Glad you're with us.

WORLD-CLASS group of people here. I'm honored to be among them, myself.

[krispos42]

9. This might be the link

He keeps claiming that the massages never went anywhere. That he never had sex with Jones. That might be technically true... maybe Jones had sex with HIM! Let's face it, a lot of these uber-strait-Christians who have these desires want to BE pounded in the nether-regions, not do the pounding!

http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=1371780&version=16&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.1.1

<on edit>

Oh, here's a better one: Sexual immorality and all!

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/10245971/detail.html

[alcibiades_mystery]

10. I would wonder about the response of his Freeper Defenders being wrong again

But they are wrong so often that they must have some sort of coping strategy by now...

:rofl:

[buddysmellgood]

11. It's like having our own version of Carl Rove behind the scenes timing the

release of this stuff. Amazing.

[Jackpine Radical]

12. One of two possibilities...

Either a REALLY GOOD Rove-type operative or there really is a God.

[krispos42]

13. Tinfoil hat time

Maybe Rove, in order to cover his own ass and keep it out of jail (Plamegate), secretly turned to the Democrat's side and is really working for the DNC now!

[jonnywishbone97]

17. why is it that repukes always have problems hiding in the closet.

You know if they would just let people live their lives as they wish. We wouldnt care. I dont care about who people marry. If they are happy then good. These closet queens just need to wake up and face reality.

[MGKrebs]

79. I have a theory on that.

It is based on my inability to wear seatbelts until it was made mandatory. This might not have so much to do with Repubs in general, but with the fundamentalist brigades among them.

I think that they fight these "demons" -even if it subconscious- and seek to create a world in which things they are taught to believe are wrong are made unavailable. First they turn to religion, but when that is not enough, they seek to actually make these things illegal, and with a religious dogma secular trifles like the U.S. Constitution are only temporary obstacles.

Come to think of it, maybe it does apply to Repubs in general: Their continued obsession with communism; calling any political opponent a "traitor". Even the apparent attitude that the rules are meant for others, a la Limbaugh's drug use. They think of themselves as righteous, so even if they stray it's OK. Those who are non-righteous must be punished however. And forgiveness for them is not really in the cards.

It all means the same thing: No one is allowed to live any lifestyle other than the ordained one.

[Mythsaje]

90. Oh...it was YOU, was it?

I suppose I should be happy about the seatbelt laws because it gave me another lever to get my wife to wear the damned things...I always have, because I understand enough about the laws of physics to know that a soft bag of fluid covering a relatively fragile skeleton isn't MADE to go 60 + mph, no matter how you slice it, and that it doesn't make any difference to surround yourself with steel and alumimum if you don't find a way to stay WITHIN that shell in case of an accident.

Simply put--I think that not wearing a seatbelt is just plain stupid.

Don't like it being made into a law, though. If we have to continually keep passing laws to force people not to be stupid, we're not doing the human race much of a favor in the long run.

[MGKrebs]

97. I was just never able to justify it because I ride a motorcycle too.

Seatbelts? Sheesh. Seemed a silly frivolity.
But... I do advocate wearing a helmet. I often argue against an "all or nothing" philosophy, and now I have been able to fit seatbelts (and helmets) into a cohesive whole.

[Mythsaje]

99. Helmets are smart too...

My dad and I got into it about helmets on many occasion.

Now he doesn't even ride. Thinks it's way too dangerous. LOL. Took him long enough.

[Vidar]

134. Good analysis. Small closets for small minds. Something has

to spill out.

[Barrett808]

21. It's clearly elements of the CIA/Pentagon who despise the neo-cons

And I fully expect Rove's Diebold hacks to backfire somehow. After all, if Rove political operatives can hack the memory cards, CIA operatives can as well.

[The Stranger]

137. Instant Karma is going to get you.

That's what it is.

[donsu]

15. he is going to repent and be saved and his congregation will love him

again.

[JoFerret]

86. He will blame someone for molesting him as a teenager

that's what causes hypocrisy.

[leftchick]

16. admits to a "lifelong sexual problem"

Scandal-hit evangelical pastor Ted Haggard in a letter to his congregation confesses to a "lifelong" sexual problem.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/05/haggard.allegations/

[jonnywishbone97]

18. I confess

I have had a lifelong obsession with hot lesbians. So I guess its too late for me to be a preacher huh?

[varun]

19. Is he going to join the "ex-gay" movement now?

he calls that part of life "repulsive and dark"

[Tansy_Gold]

41. Yeah, that part really made me angry

Instead of being able to admit that hey, this is who and what he is, and then take it one step further to admitting that maybe his god made him that way and it's okay and it's good and it's love, no, the jerk has to fall back on that stupid fundie (dark and repulsive) crap.

Oh, well, I guess the punishment for his "sin" is to live a life without fulfilling love and appreciation of himself for what he is. And I suppose that maybe he can make himself appreciate the love of his wife and love for her, but. . . . .



Tansy Gold, straight but definitely not narrow

[crikkett]

82. At least he's out about his self-loathing now

and a little sunshine might make him feel better about himself.

This is a big change for him - cut the guy some slack, at least he hasn't checked himself into rehab.

[pnwmom]

84. He's not falling back on that. He believes it.

I felt sorry for him, to have to live with all that self-hatred.

[Doremus]

103. I wonder if he believes it. Why didn't he read his own statement?

Why did some other sleazy church underling read this supposed message from Haggard?

I have visions of a heated exchange wherein Haggard is told what his message will say and he will either agree with it or lose his (church investment/retirement plan of your choice).

I tend to have an active imagination though. :)

[pnwmom]

107. Your idea could be true. But it could as easily

be true that he was afraid he couldn't get through the statement without crying. He started up the whole church, remember? And now he's losing it.

I think he does view his sexuality as being dark and repulsive. How sad for him.

[Doremus]

130. You may be right, but don't discount the value of a few alligator tears.

Ask Jimmy Swaggart.

One thing is sure. The church he founded wants us all to think homosexuality is dark and repulsive. Hatred's good for the Jesus business.

[antonialee839]

57. He will probably check into one of those "scared straight"

clinics.

[Bigmack]

78. If sex is dark and repulsive..

maybe you're not doing it right. I always end up feeling great.
I can't imagine gay sex is any different.

Rev... maybe if you'd just clean out your headgear, maybe sex would be nice for you, too.

[alcibiades_mystery]

25. It seems to me he has had a lifelong religious problem

Just sayin'...

[LizW]

47. Exactly.

I'm beginning to actually feel sorry for this guy now. Instead of being who he is and perhaps finding a life partner to be with, he allowed a perverted view of God to turn sex into something "dark and repulsive" to be hidden and denied. That's rather sad.

However, on the upside, this is an encouraging instance of a fundie finally admitting that people are born gay or straight. He says his "problem" is life-long, so he's saying he was born that way. And obviously trying to deny who he is and go against the way he was created didn't work out so well for him.

[Blue Gardener]

52. I only have sympathy for his children

This can't be easy for them. Their whole world has been turned upside-down.

[DesertRat]

67. I have sympathy for his wife too. n/t

[crikkett]

83. I wonder if they knew that Dad was a little light in the loafers...

[Katzenjammer]

58. Yep, exactly. (nt)

[jonnywishbone97]

59. Im sorry but I have no sympathy for anyone in that family

They all think the same way and think that gays are lower forms of life. Maybe they will wake up and smell the coffee now that daddy is one of those lower forms of life.

[pnwmom]

85. There are young children in that family who can't be blamed for

any of this. If you have no sympathy for them, that says something about you, not them.

[jonnywishbone97]

89. I beg to disagree

it says nothing about me. Sorry but Im not the one living in a closet while telling my children how bad gay people are. You evidently dont have a clue what kind of brainwashing goes on in those families

[brentspeak]

91. So...if Haggard was the one living in the closet, and if he was brainwashing

his kids that gay people are bad, why is it ok (in your mind) for the children to receive no sympathy from people?

Your post makes absolutely no sense.

[jonnywishbone97]

92. it means his kids will be as twisted as he was

easy to figure out if you try

[Blue Gardener]

94. So you think there is no hope for the children?

Seems pretty cynical. You know the other kids are going to tease them relentlessly. I don't wish that on any child. They didn't choose their parents.

[brentspeak]

95. Again, you don't seem able to make any sense

You said that Haggard's family is deserving of "no sympathy". You then suggested that the reason for that is because a) their father was living in the closet; and b) he brainwashed them. Then you make the startling prediction that "his kids will be as twisted as he was", even though you almost certainly have never met them.

So not only do you claim that the families of scandal-plagued ministers deserve to suffer, but also that you are a fortune-teller.

[jonnywishbone97]

96. if theyre bible thumpers they are already twisted

jeez how hard is that to understand brent

[pnwmom]

106. Have you ever heard of the "preacher's kid syndrome"?

Lots of preachers kids, like lots of other kids, choose to take another path. Yet you're writing off a whole young family without knowing anything about them.

[pnwmom]

105. His kids are young. There's no way to know what they

will be like in the long run.

[pnwmom]

104. If you think the children were being brainwashed, then

why don't you feel sympathy for them?

Unlike you, I have more than a clue what it's like for children in family's where a parent is suddenly outed. Under the best of circumstances, it's very difficult, and under the gaze of TV cameras it must be a nightmare.

[Katzenjammer]

138. I have to say I have sympathy for all of them...even him.

What an utterly terrible thing to have happen. Here you are (generic "you") riding high on the hog, wonderful job, gobs of respect in the community, probably lots of self-congratulatory hubris

...and then suddenly God pulls the rug out from under you. He tells you in the most brutal way possible that your behavior doesn't measure up, that you're not doing his work.

From having everything, you suddenly have nothing. People are embarrassed to be around you. Your spouse goes around alternating between tears and gritted teeth. Your kids are confused and terrified, maybe being picked on at school. You know that when the dust finally settles, the only congregation you'll be able to get will be a skid-row mission...and you'll be lucky to get that. From a big house, big car, expensive suits, the best Mammon has to offer...suddenly you're a pariah lying in the ethical ditch, bleeding from self-inflicted wounds and wondering whether suicide is an option.

[Pacifist Patriot]

68. Amen.

[Nikia]

60. If only RW Christians would just accept that some people are gay

And that it is not a sin for them to be gay if their relationships are ethical. He hurt his family by trying so hard not to be gay. If he had found a nice man to be his partner, rather than marrying a woman, that would have been much more moral.

[IndianaGreen]

88. Hetero RW Xtian males want their wives to give them head

so they pay a prostitute to do it because they wouldn't dare ask their wives for "unnatural" sex.

Sexually conflicted RW Christian males like dick, but they hate LGBTs for being open about the feelings they try so hard to suppress.

The problem is with RW Xtian males!

[54anickel]

93. Does sort of blow a hole into that "defend marriage" crap. Oh yeah, let's

continue to drive gay people into denying that fact so much that they try to live a lie instead like this guy did. Yep, that dysfunctional family set up is surely worth defending. :eyes: Perhaps people will begin to see that "defense of marriage" bullshit for what it really is - a cover for inequality, hatred and bigotry. Maybe they'll stop using gays as a scapegoat for the decay of marriage in our society. Never understood that damned stance to begin with.

[Ms. Toad]

128. Actually, in a twisted way it probably supports their "logic"

Since Haggard can't find a nice gay boy, get married, and live happily ever after, his fantasy life with his wife will remain intact (according to her, at least). If he were actually able to marry another man his heterosexual marriage might be a thing of the past, a victim of finally being able to create a legally recognized family with another man.

Course, in his case (since, by his own admission, he's been battling it his entire life) the marriage probably shouldn't have existed in the first place.

[54anickel]

129. Yeah, but it's pretty twisted. Better to have a dysfunctional, pseudo

hetero marriage, that could blow up at any time, than allow gay marriage. Then again, a lot of them still believe that gay is a "choice". Though from what I've read, Haggard didn't push the idea of choice, he just thought gays should be celibate all their lives "like single heteros" (paraphrasing). Of course they blame gays for the deterioration of the institute of marriage now - yet gays for the most part can't get married. But if they could, and it's a choice then there'd be even less hetero marriages but then maybe the divorce rate would go up even more because closet gays living in a pseudo-hetero marriage would leave their spouses for another man/woman, but wait, that happens now with hetero couples......ARRGH!!!! I'm getting a headache. :silly:

I really do feel for him, his family and all involved. I can't (obviously) even begin to understand how their hearts and minds must be spinning wildly. It's gotta be an emotional roller coaster.

[DesertRat]

66. He needs to face facts.

His so-called "lifelong sexual problem" is that he's gay and living in the closet. :eyes:

[JudyM]

132. What's more immoral to him: the adultery or the gay sex?

I hope he has a hard time finding guys for sex the rest of his life, he's so hateful of gays.

[patrice]

20. There are many RWers who think only vaginal penetration is sex.

Hence the popularity of chastity pledges. There are thousands of ways the human body can experience sexual pleasure, only one of which is "sex" according to some.

[rocktivity]

23. He must have had a chat with Mark Foley

If he'd just admitted the truth off the bat, maybe he could have gotten out of this a little more gracefully.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Roy]

26. Can someone please explain to me......

Why Democrats WILL NOT step up and point out to the followers of these hypocrits how they have been used and deceived for all these many years?

I think now presents a golden opportunity to highlight the rampant corruption and hypocracy that permeates the people they have chosen to follow, and how they keep them inflamed only to control how they vote.

[jonnywishbone97]

29. because Dems accept everyone

These people think people that dont think like them are beneath them. So they hate gays, jews, other races,. If we dont think like them we are going to hell.


Well I guess hell is going to have one kick butt party because thats where Im going and Id rather be there than with a bunch of creeps in heaven.

[napi21]

32. I don't thin the Dems have to do that. I'm sure by now, the RW

alreadyhas recognized the deception. No reason for us to make them angry by pointing it out. Let them continue to hide in their homes in shame.

[Roy]

42. You give them much more credit than I....

These folks seem too receptive to un-rebutted spin to be left to their own devices.

The prospect that their message comes from a constant one sided source seems to me may be the reason they support republicans in the first place.

Could this be the reason why republicans fight so hard to program them to only listen to points of view from one side?
If you are not given a choice it is very difficult to make one, is all I am saying.

[napi21]

61. I hear you, but all the reborn's that I've met are also very critical

of misdeeds by those who they put their trust in, and then were betrayed! They won't shun their faith, but will completely reject the betrayer.

Yes, there's always a few who stick with the guy, like a few of the followers of Jim Baker did, but to them it wouldn't matter who said what. those folks you just ignore.

[Roy]

72. Not being a religious person myself I must defer to you...

Most of my friends and relatives are very religious people but are very different from those of this subject.

[onager]

36. But...but that would be attacking religion!

And we can't have that, especially here in One Nation Under Jebus.

As usual, H.L. Mencken said it best:

One of the most irrational of all the conventions of modern society is the one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected...

(This) convention protects them, and so they proceed with their blather unwhipped and almost unmolested, to the great damage of common sense and common decency.

That they should have this immunity is an outrage. There is nothing in religious ideas, as a class, to lift them above other ideas.

On the contrary, they are always dubious and often quite silly. Nor is there any visible intellectual dignity in theologians. Few of them know anything that is worth knowing, and not many of them are even honest.

[Roy]

43. Very good quote n/t

[papau]

53. Mencken was an "agnostic" who thought he could use science to prove or disprove religion

The fact he had great fun "proving" "miracles" that are recorded can not happen under the rules and laws of science as currently known makes one wonder about his understanding of both religion and science.

Indeed he frames the rise of religion based on ideas with no more basis/authority than the fact he used his own imagination to find those reasons for the rise of religion. Granted his writing and thoughts and imagination get good reviews from atheists.

Indeed, he prefers to assert the atheist view - always, so calling himself an agnostic is odd. And for all that, he was better informed on Christian history than 99% of his atheist friends - producing rather factual writing on the early church and the evolution of the bibles as he dis'ed all believers.
===================================================

"We must respect the other fellow's religion,but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."

He like to think that he was a wit! :-)

[54anickel]

38. Probably because most still believe in separation of church and state. I think

it's best that Dems stay out of the issue. These people are not blind, most of them know in their hearts they've been used and they are being told that by people who share their faith and political background that are in the know (they were involved at the top and tasted it first-hand)- David Kuo, Cal Thomas, Ed Dobson, the people behind what's called Original Intent Evangelicals.

I think that Dems getting involved would be like rubbing salt into a wound. They can point out the political corruption, but I think they should best leave the sin/hypocrisy out. That discussion belongs in the pulpit. Then again, I'm against the recent push for Dems to start wearing their religion on their sleeves as well.

Just my 2 cents worth.

[Roy]

46. I think I'm talking about 'difference' between church and state.

By pointing out how politicians exploit their religious beliefs for electoral gains. I also don't like Dems who wear their religion on the sleeves. But democrats are as religious if not more-so than republicans and the case can be made that just because you are religious, it doesn't automatically make you a republican.

Trusting Thomas and Dobson to carry a message is a very dangerous thing. Still trying to get a handle on Kuo.

[54anickel]

63. Whether you or I trust them is sort of immaterial at this point. It's who

will the "fundies" trust that matters. Their eyes are not going to be opened by Dems, they don't trust us. They've had it beat into their skulls not to. I doubt Thomas, Ed Dobson and the others could get them to hate or distrust Dems anymore than they already do. Maybe they can, but I sincerely doubt it.

I think the best thing Dems can do is demonstrate honesty and integrity. Hard qualities to find in DC these days. I'm not saying they need to completely avoid discussing their personal beliefs as they tended to do in the past. But they don't need to go out of their way broadcasting it either.

If Dems try to touch this issue now, while it's so hot it will just fan the flames. They are hurt, wounded, and like a cornered animal. Pointing out that they've been used is like kicking someone when their down. Better to take the high road, reach out a hand than to risk coming off as smugly saying "I told you so" or "you were a fool".

Again, just my take on it. Then again, maybe if both parties piss them off enough they'll go back to being apolitical...nah, that'll never happen.

[Roy]

76. I see all your points, and find nothing to disagree with.

I'm looking completely from the outside of this issue, and it just seems since we are still dealing with people here, it just seems something could be said or done to show people that there is a moral choice divorced from politics.

[54anickel]

100. Oh I hear you, and I'd love to "slap 'em upside the head" with this, but

it's sort of like raising a kid. There are somethings that they are better off learning for themselves the hard way. I think it will sink in better and faster coming from their peers. I work with some of these people almost everyday, and I do see encouraging signs down here at the ground level.

It's very tempting to "slap" them with this, especially with the election coming up. Would they suddenly switch and vote Dem? Highly unlikely. Would they be so disenfranchised, frustrated and disgusted that they stay home? That would be my hope and dream come true. Would they become so energized with defensive adrenaline - with less than 72 hours before the polls open (no time for rational thought) - that they show up in record numbers? I ain't willing to take that chance because I'm afraid that's exactly what they'll do.

There is nothing scarier to a Repub fundie than finding themselves agreeing with a Dem. They will run to Daddy Bush's loving, comfortable, Republican arms out of fear for the Dem devil.

Plenty of time to "slap 'em upside the head" after the election if it looks like it's not sinking in yet.

(Edit cuz I kant spel.)

[heidler1]

75. IMO so much of organized religion is just posturing to maintain

self perceived superiority about Heavenly rewards that cover up is normal. Commonly called holier than thou. It's like a continuous play and the show must go on so the self deceit feeds them for another day.

[Name removed]

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[texanshatingbush]

33. Haggard coming clean, now time for Mehlman and Rove to step up

[Gin]

40. being head of 30 million "tithers"....makes him one rich sinner....

crying and begging for forgiveness all the way to the bank!

[krispos42]

45. Yeah, he'll be exiled to Florida

With a beachhouse, plenty of drugs, and lots of hookers of all genders and persuasions. My heart bleeds.

Maybe he should go fight in Iraq for a while.

[krispos42]

44. Ewwww, mental image! Now I need some mental floss

Briana Banks, cleanse my mind!

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

48. He's not a deviant!

He's simply GAY! Sheesh, I am a flaming heterosexual and even I know that!

Ok, so maybe he's gay and conflicted, but that's nothing new.

[David__77]

51. Untrue.

He's not gay. Gay is someone who anknowledges their sexual orientation. He's a closet homosexual. That's my take, as a gay man.

[nashville_brook]

55. my take too -- and GAY people don't preach hatred

against other gay people.

[skids]

54. He probably is but I agree with your point...

My initial bias is that there's more than just homosexuality in this case... "rw preacher" screams "twisted" in my mind.

However the sarcasm the OP was probably expecting to be conveyed by calling him a deviant (e.g. he was probably expecting people to realize he meant "in the eyes of his followers") doesn't convey and comes across a homophobic.

(Which is why I wonder how I can make one off-color joke in the lounge and be instantly locked and called a homophobe, but this thread can go on for a good clip in supposedly uber-moderated LBN without a link no less and garner oodles of comments before the impolitic nature of it is even pointed out -- but sigh, that's just life. I can take the heat so I'll stay in the kitchen.)

[Pacifist Patriot]

70. Homosexuality isn't the deviant part.

The repression and self-loathing that resulted in infidelity and sex-for-hire instead of a loving and giving relationship is the deviant part. But that's just my opinion.

[jberryhill]

102. The "deviant" part is...

Getting married to a woman, having five kids, leading an evangelical church, and condemning homosexuality while engaging in homosexual behavior.

THAT's deviant.

Unless you want to argue "but most gays do those things"...

[Duncan Grant]

139. Are men who betray their wives with other women, deviant?

Deviant isn't a word used for extramarital affairs involving men and women. I wonder why it's used here? Must be the hot man-on-man action that's deviant, eh?

I'm with you T_S. :thumbsup:

[NorthernSpy]

50. Haggard is from Delphi, Indiana -- "The Junior Pork-Packing Center of the West"

Just a strange little bit of Haggard trivia...

Oh, and he attended Oral Roberts University.

What kind of psycho names a kid "Oral"?

[DesertRat]

69. "pork packing center"

:spray:

[Zorra]

56. This is sad. In even a semi-sane world, no one would give a

rat's ass if he was gay. He would not have had to live a tortured life of unnecessary shame and guilt, and would not be the current republican family values hypocrite of the week.

Insane, perverted fundamental religious dogma may have historically caused more pain, suffering, and death to human beings and to cultures and societies in general than any other single social phenomenon.

"Each one must learn for themself the highest wisdom. It cannot be taught with words." Smowhala

[Kablooie]

62. The leader of the Evangelist movement was a servant of Satan!

Jesus loves all evangelists so I wonder how he could possibly allow this to happen? Hmmm.

I guess we just have to trust that he knows what he's doing.


(Sound familiar?)

[electron_blue]

64. now all we need is to bring John Karr into this story to somehow complete the circle

before Tuesday. Point being, don't get distracted by the hands, keep your eyes on the elections, people. I wouldn't be surprised if Homeland Security was behind the Haggard story somehow, just as they were with Karr. It sure helped to bury Foley's name in the papers, huh? And bury other stories the GOP would like to have us forget already.

[jhain]

65. It really shouldn't matter but the replacement's

name is just giving me the giggles:
The Rev. Ross Parsley will lead the church pending the selection of a replacement for Haggard,

[Pacifist Patriot]

71. I'll join you. It gives me the giggles too.

[jhain]

73. Rev Ross Pasley

I am waiting to see him on CNN and watch him break into song:

[eridani]

108. Is Rosemary Sage on the selection committee as well? n/t

[54anickel]

131. Crap, I read that as Ross Paisley...n/t

[Gregorian]

74. Step #2- Go on TV, cry and repent. (See Jimmy Swaggart)

Then pass GO and collect $200 million dollars.

RepentRepeat.

[xyboymil]

77. Step #3: Claim you were sexually abused as a child...

:eyes:

[Maestro]

81. These people are so screwed up.

The fundies will be apologists for him saying something like the Devil or other boogey man made him do it. Besides being a meth freak which I don't condone, the other thing is his complete hypocrisy which is par for the course with these fundies. I could care less he's gay.

[SKKY]

87. Duh!!! I equate this to when Clinton said he didn't inhale...

...I mean seriously. Who really thinks you're going to go through all the trouble of getting a male hooker for a massage and some meth, and
not get a little "freaky". Come on!

[angryxyouth]

101. Do Evangelicals where condoms when having sex with male prostitutes?

His wife must be so happy!!! Time For the HIV test. The kids so proud! The other kids wont make fun of them. This is the Gop's idea of family values? Then I'm glad they don't think that we Dem's have any.
I wonder when the good christians are filing for divorce. This will not be a happy ending.(Get it?):rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[saigon68]

144. Hypocrit

[alteredstate]

98. "Sexual deviant"?

Sexual deviant? No. Hypocrite? Yes.

[Pachamama]

113. Adulterer. Yes. Liar. Yes.

His hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[AlwaysQuestion]

109. Evangelical leaders are bottom feeders

I have absolutely no sympathy for de preacher as a gay, a heterosexual or as a pervert--there are people in each of these communities who will do anything for money and power. Being a "religious" evangelical provides him with both. He's scrambling for his monetary life-style and just as before this debacle he has no credence with me. He's a bottom feeder pure and simple--as are those he hobnobs with.

[truthisfreedom]

112. the mistake you made, reverend haggard, was not checking yourself into treatment

IMMEDIATELY as this story started breaking.

bush must be furious with you, rev, but we forgive you for not enjoying yourself with your boy-toy! 8^P

[OKIsItJustMe]

114. AP: Evangelist Tells Followers He's a 'Liar'

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/H/HAGGARD_SEX_ALLEGATIONS

Nov 5, 7:41 PM EST

Evangelist Tells Followers He's a 'Liar'

By COLLEEN SLEVIN
Associated Press Writer

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) -- Saying that he was a "deceiver and liar" who had given in to his dark side, the Rev. Ted Haggard confessed to sexual immorality Sunday in a letter read from the pulpit of the megachurch he founded.

The disgraced former president of the National Association of Evangelicals, which represents 30 million evangelical Christians, apologized and said "because of pride, I began deceiving those I love the most because I didn't want to hurt or disappoint them."

"The fact is I am guilty of sexual immorality. And I take responsibility for the entire problem. I am a deceiver and a liar. There's a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I have been warring against it for all of my adult life," he said.

...

[AlCzervik]

115. hmm, how do i know if he's not lying now or is he?

[Lucky Luciano]

116. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

No Mercy!

Release the hounds!

:rofl: :nopity:

[PurityOfEssence]

117. Yes, but is that why his pants are on fire?

Just wondering...

[daleo]

118. He is too hard on himself for being a fundamentalist

"There's a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I have been warring against it for all of my adult life," he said."

[Glorfindel]

121. I think he's actually referring to the fact that he's a Repuke...

that's worse than being a fundamentalist. Not a LOT worse, but worse.

[daleo]

133. Yes, that's another way of looking at it. n/t

[Erika]

119. Adultery and meth by a W Whitehouse spiritual adviser

Half of me feels sympathy to all those he misled, the other half of me blame them for blind obedience to a leader.

Kind of like W and the GOP and WMD.

[bluerum]

120. This guy needs help.

"There's a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I have been warring against it for all of my adult life,"

How can anyone come to hate one-self so?

In any event, this seems symptomatic of much of the republikaner party these days. Self loathing bigots.

The sad thing is that his hate does not stop with himself. He goes further by organizing mass hysteria and group hate clothed in the name of Jesus Christ and organized christianity.

And the sheep blindly follow - perhaps due their own self loathings - perhaps due to their laziness of mind - perhaps out of some deep personal fears. Who really knows why. Their own individual hates are fueled by their own madnesses.

All I know is that the danger of their hate is real.

on edit: added "Their own individual hates ,,,"

[olddad56]

122. didn't his followers already know that. The rest of the planet did.

[No Exit]

123. COMPARE: Jimmy Swaggart's "I have sinned" moment

in which he appeared on TV with his repulsive lower lip quivering.

Every Elmer Gantry must have a moment like this. I'm waiting for Pat Robertson's.

[badgerpup]

124. Well, I lost my $5.00 bet.

He DIDN'T claim that he was drunk and immediately duck into rehab.
He DIDN'T claim that he was 'molested as a child'.
He DIDN'T blame Clinton or Nancy Pelosi or John Kerry.
:wow:
Either he is taking personal responsibility for his own actions...or he lost his copy of
The Republican Playbook: How to blame the Democrats for just about anything!

[MikeNearMcChord]

125. I would like to see a movie made about this

"The Passion of Ted Haggard" with Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and James Dobson playing alternate roles of Peter, since they deny him three times.

[koopie57]

126. If he wrote this letter

I'll vote republican!

[tblue37]

127. Evangelist Tells Followers He's a 'Liar'

I knew that.

[jollyreaper2112]

135. Holy Smoke

Believe in me - send no money
Died on the cross, that ain't funny
But my so called friends they're making me a joke
They missed out what I said like I never spoke
They choose what they wanna hear - don't tell a lie
They just leave out the truth as they're watching you die
Saving your soul by taking your money
Flies around shit, bees around honey

chorus

Holy Smoke Holy Smoke, plenty bad preachers for
The Devil to stoke
Feed'em in feet first this is no joke
This is thirsty work making Holy Smoke
making Holy Smoke

Jimmy Reptile and all his friends
Say their gonna be with you at the end
Burning records burning books
Holy soldiers, Nazi looks
Crocodile smiles, just wait a while
Till the TV queen gets her make-up clean
I've lived in filth, I've lived in sin
And I still smell cleaner than the shit you're in

repeat chorus

Holy Smoke - smells good

They ain't religious but they ain't no fools
When Noah built his Cadillac it was cool
Two by two they're still going down
And the satellite circus just left town
I think they're strange and when they're dead
They can have a Lincoln for their bed
Friend of the president trick of the tail
Now they ain't got a prayer 100 years in jail

repeat chorus

Holy Smoke - hah

[B3Nut]

136. Who wrote that?

Looks like a cool song...

Todd in Beerbratistan

[jollyreaper2112]

143. Iron Maiden

Good band. Up the irons!

[slackmaster]

141. Sounds like a "Haggard is on the roof and won't come down" joke

:argh:

[DuaneBidoux]

142. If no valid link soon this thread should be locked. I find no news stating this.

link?