2nd teen gets 90 years in brutal party attack (rape with patio umbrella pole)

[Judi Lynn]

2nd teen gets 90 years in brutal party attack
Texas youth sentenced for sodomizing Hispanic boy with patio umbrella
Updated: 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
HOUSTON - A 17-year-old suburban teen was sentenced Monday to 90 years in prison in the brutal attack of a Hispanic boy who was beaten, kicked, stomped, burned and sodomized with the plastic pole of a patio umbrella.

Keith Turner was the second teen convicted of aggravated sexual assault in the April attack at a house in Spring, north of Houston. David Henry Tuck, 18, was convicted and sentenced to life in prison on Nov. 16.

Turner was convicted late Friday after about 90 minutes of deliberations. The jury took about five hours over two days to reach the sentence of 90 years.

Turner will have to serve at least 30 years before becoming eligible for parole.

Although Turner was the younger of the assailants and didn't have the history of racial attacks that colored Tuck's past, it was his idea to use the patio umbrella pole in the attack.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16157168/from/RSS/

http://www.prisonpotpourri.com/JUVENILES/TuckandTurner/Turner.Keith%20Robert%20Turner,%2017,%20is%20charged%20with%20aggravated%20sexual%20assault%20on%20Monday.%20He%20and%20David%20Henry%20Tuck%20are%20being%20held%20without%20bail.jpg

White Supremacists Ratchet Up Anti-Hispanic Action As U.S. Immigration Debate Rages


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David Henry Tuck, 18, and Keith Robert Turner, 17, were arrested and charged with aggravated sexual assault in the brutal April 22 attack of a teenage Hispanic high school student in Houston. The victim was beaten and sodomized with a plastic pipe from a patio umbrella, then kicked in the head with steel-toed boots.
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http://www.adl.org/PresRele/Extremism_72/4822_72.htm

[BOSSHOG]

1. Wow, two young republicans not going to College

[TheCowsCameHome]

6. They'll be "married" and setting up housekeeping before very long.....................

And a different meaning to "what's your cell number?"

[Mojorabbit]

2. Someone poisoned those children's minds

They were not born hating. Whoever it was deserves to be in prison along with them.

[JudyM]

23. ...or at least did nothing to stop their developing these aggressive tendencies.

Sometimes kids pick things up from other bad seed kids, but the parents/guardians ought to be aware of this and teach some values. Beating a kid up is one thing, but doing it in such a vicious, depraved way is something else entirely.

[Howardx]

3. these types first instinct is sodomy

interesting.......

[shanti]

17. what goes around

comes around....and it will in spades when they get to the big house.

[LiberalFighter]

40. Fellow inmates may have more interesting ways to play

I wonder what the Hispanic population is in the prison they will make their home?

I also wonder after they meet up with those Hispanics if they will regret being idiots?

[reprobate]

61. Regret? Not for long, I think

[Renew Deal]

4. That's evil.

:wow:

[KansDem]

5. Now I know what my mom meant when she would say "I feel sorry for the parents."

Granted, it could be that the parents were responsible for their twisted, anti-social behavior (I'd be interested in learning more about their parenting skills, or lack thereof), but that's an awful lot of hate and violence coming out of a 17- and an 18-year old.

[SKKY]

7. I'm wondering how much the parents were even around...

...my guess is probably not a great deal.

[Judi Lynn]

8. Information DU'ers found on these two earlier this year indicates they had been monsters a long time

intimidating their neighbors, one of them killed his sister's dog brutally, and one of them had assisted some older people, I think Klansmen, when they attacked a Hispanic man who was attempting to buy gas.

I believe they really did him in, but the skinhead kid was too young to draw serious legal punishment.

One of the stories indicated one of their mothers was trying to raise her children alone, and expressed sorrow for his acts. Don't know about the other family.

It would be important to understand the factors contributing to criminals like this.

Maybe some of the pro-life maniacs could take some time away from crawling around on their hands and knees outside women's clinics, or arranging bombings and murders of doctors, and volunteer to become Big Brothers and help stabilize these kids who have no fathers. But hell, no:it's not their problem when they go berserk. They only prey upon the poor, anyway, usually, and you really only need enough poor people to do all the menial work.....

:sarcasm: , of course.

[Critters2]

10. I know lots of single mothers

not one of whom has raised monsters like this.

[Judi Lynn]

14. So have I known many single mothers.

I wrote the information I have on their (the two monsters') backgrounds.

This isn't an explanation of how they turned out that way. I wouldn't know.

[slackmaster]

9. The part about him being eligible for parole in only 30 years bugs me

90 years sounds about right.

[Turbineguy]

26. So we get a guy

who is 47 and spent 30 years in prison. What does society do with such an individual at that time?

[bunyip]

34. Let him roam around homeless till he attacks someone else,

I would imagine. Then they'll lock him up again. Prison is not a solution, but it is less useless than doing nothing.

[slackmaster]

35. Unfortunately, we'll wait for him to commit another felony

So we can lock him up again.

[ProudDad]

37. It depends on what we've done as a society

to help him to become something better.

That's not likely in the prison-industrial complex but miracles occasionally happen...

[cigsandcoffee]

39. You can't fix a person like this.

There isn't a single thing that can be done for him short of a life-changing event - such as the realization that he will be spending at least thirty years in a crappy prison.

Rehabilitation of a person who is this far gone and set in his ways is like trying to impose Democracy on Iraq - impossible to force on them, but workable if they'd come up with the notion themselves after a major, country-changing event.

[ProudDad]

43. You missed my point

Understandable.

I was trying to make the point that the criminally unjust "criminal justice" system, if reformed into something that resembles a rehabilitation system in the civilized world, might have a chance in turning this obviously brainwashed individual into a functional member of society. In the U.S., and especially in Texas, there ain't no f*ckin' chance.

This person will be brutalized further in prison. He will be matched up with a whole gang of like-minded individuals, guards and inmates and unless he can change himself, which is very unlikely since the prison systems are run by the inmates and are designed to train and nurture criminal thought and behavior he will be supported in his twisted beliefs.

This is the fault of society. We who should know better but refuse to learn. We keep running a system which continues to do the same thing over and over and expects a different result. THE PRISON-INDUSTRIAL SYSTEM is not only expensive the damn thing DON'T WORK!

I wonder how many times the juvenile system failed this person, and us, by teaching him about oppression and hate instead of finding out why he acted out and helping him. Criminal acts like this don't happen in a vacuum nor are they a sudden act with no warning.

I guess what bothers me is some of the posts that automatically assume that anyone who commits a heinous act is totally ir-redeemable. It's too damn simplistic to blame him alone -- a half-formed child, or his parents alone without indicting this sick society he grew up in and mimicked.

[cigsandcoffee]

44. In no country in the world...

might have a chance in turning this obviously brainwashed individual into a functional member of society

...could this ever happen. This person has been irreversibly ruined for many years, and no amount of money spent on kind-natured rehabilitaion could change him at all. He will die - sooner or later - as an angry and violent scumbag.

Society may have failed him, but more than anything, he failed himself.

[Jack_DeLeon]

47. I think these fine young men could do some good...

as fertilizer to make the grass grow green.

[saigon68]

58. They could join the military

And kill a few Islamics

[KansDem]

55. Maybe he can become a plastic patio umbrella salesman...

Maybe by that time he'll come to understand what they're really suppose to be used for...

[LiberalFighter]

41. If they survive that long with other Hispanics in the population

[tblue37]

45. Being eligible for parole is no guarantee that one will get it. (eom)

[Anakin Skywalker]

11. Damn! The Rethug Party Just Lost Two More Voters! Now What

are they gonna do in '08, hmm?

[Canuckistanian]

12. 90 years? Is this common for violent crimes?

Or is this one of these "3-strikes" things?

[Judi Lynn]

15. Probably had something to do with the absolute viciousness of the crime.

They kicked the pole into the boy with steel toed boots, through his rectum, ruptured him wildly internally, he was in a coma forever, had a TON of operations, they cut him savagely with knives, carving things into him, poured bleach all over him and into his rectum, his face, and left him lying on the ground through the night and he was discovered well after the sun came up the next morning before he was taken to the hospital.

People assumed he was going to die.

Three strike things, probably not. It's a miracle he survived it, and he wouldn't have without doctors working non-stop to save him over a very long time.

On edit:

They also burned him with cigarettes.

[Judi Lynn]

19. According to this early thread posted here back in April, it was believed

the victim was dead, and it was written up that way in the newspapers, at first.

A later article indicates both the police and the hospital were surprised he didn't die right away.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2251248#2251865

[Canuckistanian]

20. Probably because they assumed they had killed him

But you're right, this is a case where you throw the book at an accused.

Horrible, absolutely brutal, animalisitc behaviour.

[LiberalFighter]

42. Doesn't seem like there is much worse that could be done to these scums

then what they did to their victim.

[wiley]

13. Just substitute any other ethnicity or race for Hispanic

and realize that these really, really sick kids are evil. They were taught to be that way by neighbors, friends, family and a society that supported them. You're average white person says nothing about the things they hear daily, the racist slurs and whispered insults. I've often heard that Muslim leaders and followers should be loudly denouncing the extremism and violence of "their" people. When was the last time you heard anyone say that a local mayor or priest should be actively denouncing violence and hatred encouraged and condoned by whites. And yeah, most of them hide behind the guise of being Christian.

[superconnected]

16. I'd be happier if he had to server 90 years.

Is the hispanic kid even alive?

[xchrom]

18. jail rape ''jokes'' keep from responding to this.

freeperville at du baby -- get your homophobia while it's hot!

[Catch22Dem]

21. As someone who hasn't made any "jokes" and don't think they're funny...

I must say, it's hard not to point out the obvious. These little fuckers always go back to things like sodomy to hurt the weak. Everyone knows what goes on in prison, or at least what people say goes on in prison. It will likely happen to them, and it's an irony hard to ignore. I'm far, far from being a homophobe, and I do not take delight in the pain of others, but karma works in fascinating ways.

[xchrom]

24. karma as an excuse for searching for the lowest common denominator.

people get to get their ''michael richards'' on because of the brutal act of others -- now that's irony.

[Catch22Dem]

25. Just to clarify

Are you suggesting I'm a homophobe and comparing me to Michael Richards?

[xchrom]

27. i didn't read you name next to any of the posts i object to --

and i responded to the op.

so i don't even get your gist.

[Catch22Dem]

28. Understood

I haven't (and won't) make any "jokes" about these kids because what they've done is not a joking matter. If I've offended, I apologize.

[AtomicKitten]

22. Sound like perfect recruits for CIA interrogations

at Abu Ghraib, and from Texas no less. Why am I not surprised?

[jaysunb]

29. Thanks Lou Dobbs !

You did a heck of a job !
:evilfrown:

[w4rma]

30. Bullshit. (nt)

[knitter4democracy]

31. That middle picture, I've seen that look on a kid before.

I went to school with a boy who murdered a girl from the next town over. I remember he once looked at me like that when I asked him to stop teasing me in class (seventh grade, I was on my period, he got my pads out of my purse and was waving them around, taunting me). He turned and looked at me like that. Scary, scary, scary. He got off--not enough evidence. Then he admitted it on the eleven o'clock news. *sigh*

I always said as a teacher that white boys scare me more than any other kids. They're the ones who screamed at me, threatened me, and one threw a desk at me--the other students weren't nearly so violent.

[BreweryYardRat]

48. White boys aren't necessarily any worse than other kids.

It's just that we're the majority ethnic group, so we're more likely by simple probability to have bad individuals who stick out in your mind.

And if your students are reacting violently at all, ever, what the HELL kind of teaching style do you have?

The only times I've ever seriously contemplated violence against a teacher were when they were complete and utter assholes, both of whom (male) swore at me and treated me like shit over things beyond my control (a learning disability in one instance (economics) and no real experience driving (Driver's ed) in the other) to the point that I broke down and cried. In both cases, I utilized self-restraint and simply dropped the classes, rather than reacting violently.

Either you've worked with some very damaged/spoiled kids, or you may seriously want to take a look at your teaching style.

Note: This is not intended to be a flame, just a :wtf: reaction.

[Jack_DeLeon]

49. It seems to me...

that alot of upper class white boys seem to have an attitude that they are better than everyone else.

Alot of them are coddled way to fucking much. Fortunately they are the minority where I grew up.

[knitter4democracy]

50. It's a good thing I have thick skin.

You might want to re-read that and ask yourself if you'd be okay reading someone else writing that about how you do your job. I'm just sayin' . . .

I no longer teach, but I was in some difficult places. My student teaching placement was horrible. The principal had sent a memo to all the teachers telling them that they were on their own, that he wouldn't be available, since he had his resume out and wanted to leave. No lie. The students I had were so terrible that the cooperating teacher (their usual teacher) had washed her hands of them by the time I got them full-time in February, and my prof, a public school teacher of 17 years in one of the poorest districts in Kentucky before becoming a professor, was totally horrified with what I was dealing with but had nowhere else to send me. He told me after I graduated that they'd put me there because they couldn't put anyone else there and know they'd survive and graduate. I did the best I could to teach those kids Shakespeare and poetry and how to write an essay, despite being sexually harrassed (constant sexual comments by a couple of boys who ended up getting kicked out of the school for other reasons), physically threatened, and quietly defied every day.

The girls school was a good place overall (some spoiled kids, but it was the principal who was the biggest issue for me), but the co-ed school I went to after that was difficult. My AP students refused to actually read the assigned books most of the time and then were furious when they didn't get the grades they wanted. One boy screamed in my face from about a foot away when I was seven months pregnant because I had the gall to give him a B on a paper and not the A he wanted. He blew up when I made him stand at least three feet away from me and finally just gave him a detention slip and made him leave. When I called his mom, she said that he hadn't really screamed at me or the whole school would've heard it and that I obviously deserved it for giving him a bad grade. No, I'm not making that up.

Yes, the vast majority of my students were white. Only about one-third of the student population at the two schools I taught at professionally and only about one percent of the school where I student taught were minority students. I found it odd, though, that teachers I worked with were more scared of our African-American male students. They never gave me major problems but for one, and it was his mom more than he (she liked to call late at night and scream at me and call me a racist for giving him lower grades than she wanted). I never understood that. My boys were, overall, good kids, but the few who would really step out of line and threaten me were all white.

Oh, but it must be because I was a bad teacher. :eyes:

[BreweryYardRat]

59. I'm a weird one. I probably wouldn't get pissed, because it's not a deliberate insult.

Well, when I said: "either you've worked with some very damaged/spoiled kids," it looks like that was the case, rather than a problem with your teaching style.

My apologies, ma'am. That must have sucked to deal with. Makes me glad I want to teach college students.

And for the record: When I screw up and/or get a low grade, I don't scream at teachers. (I might scream about them in the privacy of my home, though. ;) ) I try to suck it up and figure out what I can do better next time.

[knitter4democracy]

62. That's what the vast majority of students do, actually.

Most of my students were respectful and wonderful to work with. It was the minority that made my job so very difficult. You'll run into that with college kids, too. Remember--most of mine went to college. ;)

I've been thinking of getting back into teaching, but if I did, I'd want the remedial writing classes at a community college. I tutored that level in college and enjoyed it. It's high school level work with students who are more motivated to pass this time around. My cup of tea. :)

[Le Taz Hot]

64. I can absolutely understand

your position. School is not what it was when I went to school. I never saw a student get face-to-face with a teacher and scream at them because they knew if they did, out they went. Districts are so terrified of lawsuits (brought on by parents who defend their children whether they are right or wrong), that teachers have NO backing. None. I walk into a classroom nowadays and I don't even recognize it as a place of education. And people wonder why there is a teacher shortage.

[smirkymonkey]

He looks like a grown up Damien from the Omen.

But even more Satanic. Sorry, but that kid is not rehabilitatable (is that a word?) - he's evil to the bone.

[smirkymonkey]

57. He looks like a grown up Damien from the Omen.

But even more Satanic. Sorry, but that kid is not rehabilitatable (is that a word?) - he's evil to the bone.

[Lisa0825]

32. Justice served.

It was a terribly sad and shocking story. Kids that age with so much rage and hatred... they do not belong in society. I usually believe in the chance of rehabilitation for young offenders, but I don't think someone could commit something this brutal and be capable of rehab. I live in the area, and heard way too much about it for way too long. And I do think that the anti-immigrant rantings of the right wingers contributed to the atmosphere that can make someone suggestible (young, disturbed, wasted, or otherwise impaired) think that such an act can be justified.

I blame the right wing extremists in the same way I blame their homophobia for Mathhew Shepherd's death. They may not have all participated in the beating, but they set the scene for it.

[highnooner]

33. Contrast to this

Senator's son sentenced to jail
30 days, three years' probation, community service for Clifton Bennett in broom-handle camp assault

Tucson, Arizona | Published: 05.13.2006

PRESCOTT — The son of state Senate President Ken Bennett, who assaulted 18 middle school boys at a camp where he was a junior counselor last summer, will spend 30 days in jail and may escape a felony record.
The sentence, handed down Friday, angered the relatives of several of the victims, including the father of a 13-year-old boy who attends St. Cyril's Catholic School in Midtown.

"Privilege won again," said the man, whom the Arizona Daily Star is not identifying in order to protect his son. Two other victims also are from the Tucson area.

http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/129002.php

[HuffleClaw]

65. i remember that one.

'privilege' indeed.

[roguevalley]

36. gawd. all. mighty. unbelievable what some people can do.

[Vidar]

38. Glad to hear it.

[Jack_DeLeon]

46. It would have been better if...

cruel and unusual punishment were allowed on those who commit cruel and unsual acts.

As bad as prison can potentially be these fuckers deserve worse.

[hedgehog]

51. A society is judged by how it treats the least of its members.

Usually the least means poor or sick, but I think it also applies to the worst among us. By all means, put these two where they can't hurt other people. But to gloat over the crimes that may be committed against them in prison is wrong and debases us all.

[VegasWolf]

53. Very true! nt

[boilinmad]

52. Ive never seen........

......two UGLIER pigs in my life..........90 years is not enough

[hedgehog]

54. What if a freeper made that comment about two black men?

We always dehumanize those we think of as enemies.

[Judi Lynn]

56. They are unnaturally surly, aren't they? You don't see that a lot, for sure.

Welcome to D.U., boilinmad.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

60. Those children simply do not have a chance.

Not to say that they deserve one...

[Mad_Dem_X]

63. FIVE hours??!!!!

Their attack on that boy lasted for five hours! I can't even imagine trying to survive an attack that lasted that long.

Those boys are sick in the head, that's all I can say right now...