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Lionel Mandrake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 11:34 AM Original message |
Bills target rising college textbook prices |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
1. In Massachusetts, college textbooks are exempt from the sales tax |
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Lionel Mandrake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. That might be a good idea, but |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
2. I like the idea of more info on revisions for profs, I assume that may |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Some of the problem |
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Lionel Mandrake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. Bundling is a dirty trick which increases profits and harms the students. |
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Lionel Mandrake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. I think a bigger problem is that often the prof doesn't even know the price |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #12 |
41. Yes, we get free copies |
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Lionel Mandrake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Older editions are usually not hard to find at web sites like the following: |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:45 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. While the used book market is fragmented |
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Lionel Mandrake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 06:35 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Well of course it depends on the book and the size of the class. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Yes, that is a big problem.. |
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LuckyLib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
4. Texts need to be online, with a one-time "use" fee (folks working on this have proposed $15) |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Sorry, but I refuse to rent *my* books. (nt) |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 05:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. How much selling back do you do? (nm) |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Almost none after my first year. (nt) |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 08:44 AM Response to Reply #4 |
35. I have also been in favor of that solution, but the education industry... |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:13 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. self-delete |
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ryanmuegge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
9. Fuck. Try being an English major: 25 books for one upper-level class. |
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Lionel Mandrake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. That's infuckingcredible |
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kirby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Yeah but.... |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. i paid 250 for my organic chem book |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. May I ask a question? |
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kirby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I never sold my books back... |
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ryanmuegge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:30 AM Response to Reply #11 |
31. 23 paperback novels, 2 hardcover textbooks = approximately $350 |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 08:42 AM Response to Reply #11 |
34. As an English major, I never spent more than $100 a semester |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. A history class I almost took |
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Lionel Mandrake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Ouch! |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 09:10 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. I can see those sorts of prices |
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entanglement (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 11:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. In the sciences / engineering, professors pay for expensive research level textbooks |
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rainbow4321 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
18. My kid went into sticker shock this semester |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
19. Books aren't the problem. How about some focus on why tuition has risen at 10%/year for two decades? |
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Lionel Mandrake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:35 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Granted, tuition is a bigger problem than textbook prices. |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. You have a point there |
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Lionel Mandrake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Thank you. |
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rayofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Watch out... |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
45. Heh heh - publicly displayed prices are now "intellectual property" |
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Lionel Mandrake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 03:25 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Yes, and ISBNs are for your EYES ONLY. |
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LuckyLib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
42. States have always subsidized public higher education. They have squeezed colleges |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 06:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
56. Very true but... |
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Sabriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
22. Authors make no money after the first sale |
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Indy Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
26. Professors self interest |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 11:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Heh, the one prof I had who wrote his own text |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
27. Textbooks frequently come with a lot of support that also costs money |
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Lionel Mandrake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:33 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Most of the crap that is bundled with textbooks does not benefit students. |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 09:10 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Whether a book is read or ancillary materials are used is also irrelevant |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
46. My experience with that stuff is that most of it is worthless |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Maybe they weren't useful to you, but they cost money to produce, the cost goes into the book |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 05:39 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. There's plenty of evidence that most instructors never use the extras. |
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Lionel Mandrake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 07:09 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. You have made several cogent points, |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 06:59 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Yes, of course, students are paying for choices made by instructors. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
33. Price of text books for 4 years of college: $10,000 |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 10:36 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. A question about those numbers |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 06:41 PM Response to Reply #33 |
58. I've never heard of a school where textbooks cost $2500/year. (nt) |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
37. When I was earning my master's at the University of Phoenix |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
39. Universities need to develop "Open Source" textbooks... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
43. And in most cases, it's NOT the profs who are raking in the dough |
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rayofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. A professor once told me... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Lots of times, chapters of leading books are written by different Profs |
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Lionel Mandrake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. I met a retired professor who is co-author of a book on world history. |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Sometimes |
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Lionel Mandrake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 07:40 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Can you give an example? n/t |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 06:03 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Unfortunately not of the top of my head. |
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