US House Democratic Leader To Block Cheney Impeachment Effort

[Robbien]

Source: -By John Godfrey, Dow Jones Newswires

WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- U.S. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said Tuesday he will block an effort to impeach Vice President Dick Cheney.
. . .
Hoyer said he will use parliamentary tactics to table that effort.
"Impeachment is not on the agenda," Hoyer said.

Hoyer said his decision was not based upon the merits of the impeachment effort, but rather because the new Democratic majority had more important issues to resolve.

Kucinich in April introduced articles of impeachment against Cheney alleging that the vice president fabricated the threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction and a link between Iraq and al Qaeda to justify the use of force against the nation.


Read more: http://www.easybourse.com/Website/dynamic/News.php?NewsID=334258

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More from the Baltimore Sun's Swamp
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/11/cheney_impeachment_ready_for_a.html

Hoyer’s motion appears likely to pass – an outcome that would further alienate an antiwar left already frustrated with a lack of progress by congressional Democrats on changing U.S. policy on Iraq.

"We are in a serious Constitutional crisis," Joseph A. Palermo, a professor of history at California State University, Sacramento, wrote this morning on the Huffington Post. "Democrats were elected to Congress to put the brakes on the Bush-Cheney juggernaut. … is a long overdue measure coming from a Democrat who has the guts to stand up for the United States Constitution."

. . .

Hoyer did not address the substance of the measure.

"This administration has approximately 12 months, 14 months to go," the Maryland Democrat said. "We have very important issues that we are focusing on: Change of policy in Iraq. Children’s health care. Energy independence. Educational access. Investing in health care. Securing our borders and our ports. We have some major priorities. We believe that we need to pursue those policies, focusing on those policies."

House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, whose panel has jurisdiction over impeachment proceedings, has described the impeachment effort as a potential disruption.

"If the speaker were to let this thing out of the box, considering the number of legislative issues we have pending," the Michigan Democrat told Fox News, "it could create a split that could effect our productivity for the rest of the Congress."

[babylonsister]

1. So are we to assume Hoyer approves of Cheney's actions?

:nuke: :grr:

[FiveGoodMen]

2. Oh well, at least he's a Democrat. Think how much worse it would be if republicans were doing this!

:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:

:banghead::nuke::grr:

[FiveGoodMen]

4. Oops! Almost forgot...

Hoyer is a goddamned motherfucking traitorous son of a bitch.

[rateyes]

50. Glad you remembered!

:hi:

[The Doctor.]

113. This should be at the top; Hoyer's CONTACT information.

1705 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
Phone - [phone]
Fax - [phone]
E-mail Congressman Hoyer


This office also provides the following constituent services:

Order a Flag Flown Over The Capitol
Arrange a Capitol Tour


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Do not hesitate to tell his people that if we wind up in a WAR with IRAN, Hoyer will bear the responsibility for more deaths and higher gas prices... AND WE KNOW IT!!!

[nxylas]

121. "Order a Flag Flown Over The Capitol"

A white flag, natch.

[defendandprotect]

134. Great . . . 'cause Pelosi/Hoyer boxes full -- I called local Hoyer offices . . .

Pelosi's local offices aren't listed on the webpage that I saw ---

could only send e-mail messages thru website ---

[pokercat999]

138. I called told them he had put himself in the same mode as

Dick and dickless and that he was now a WAR CRIMINAL like other members of the administration. Told them when the axe falls and we come for Bush we will be comimg for Mr. Hoyer also.

[Raster]

194. "Sorry, you cannot leave a message now because this user's mailbox is full..."

NEVER give up, NEVER surrender! It is time to show these treasonous bastards WE THE PEOPLE are mad as hell!!!

Wake up America!:kick:

[Megahurtz]

272. Assholes!

They're probably leaving them full on purpose! :grr:

[Frogger]

151. These kinds of things

show the American people who is for them, and who is not.x(

[earth mom]

233. You can say that again!

:grr:

[Robbien]

8. Please note the edited material, Conyers supports Hoyer

Hoyer is, was and always will be a rat.

Conyers is a huge disappointment in this.

[leftchick]

13. they are just about all rats

save Dennis and a couple of other brave souls. :(

[FiveGoodMen]

41. Like so many that had promise

Conyers seems to have become a different person since the '06 election.

Can't escape the feeling that some incredible arm-twisting is going on behind the scenes.

[bighart]

60. I think everyone just needs to face the facts

that ALL politicians are just that, politicians. All of them go to Washington with there own agenda and it, their agenda, has NOTHING to do with those who elected to office. I see little to no effective difference between the 2 parties concerning the actions they take, or fail to take, once they are elected. It is the same in Washington as it is for most everyone else, they are concerned only about self.

[onelittleindian]

76. D C

I have to agree with thebighart, behind closed doors is one big orgy. Not a sex orgy but a greed and power orgy. Notice how both parties fight over bull shit and the get along great when it comes time for pay raises ? Lets just say no pay raises until cheney is impeached, that will get them off of their lazy asses

[Hotler]

183. No pay raises until Cheney goes to prison. eom.

[Quantess]

227. Exactly.

What the fuck do we pay them for anyway?

[nealmhughes]

106. Democrats merely allow more bones to be snatched from the floor for the populace than do the Repubs.

Republic ideas issue from God, or so they would have us to believe, while Democrats pay lip service to Jefferson and Jefferson. Rand for the Republicans, Paine for the Democrats, and a monolithic culture of greed and corporate backscratching for both.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

260. Ralph Nader, is that you? n/t

[silvermachine]

270. I doubt it...

...just a rational human who is sick of cowardice.

[defendandprotect]

133. No, just that Hoyer has "more important things to do" . . .like ignore voters--!!!

[tekisui]

139. The most telling part is his excuse.

They have more important things to do. He knows not a thing will get done on his laundry list as long as the War Criminal Administration remains.

[Morereason]

252. Call, the lines are open, they should not be!!!!!

[Flabbergasted]

275. Thinking the same thing. nt

[HughMoran]

157. lol, yes, Hoyer is going to vote for Cheney for President

After all, if you don't impeach him...

[Beerboy]

3. Steny Hoyer. Typical.

Doesn't mean I'm not fucking pissed-off as hell though.

[movonne]

5. Here we go again....these dems are all in this together...schumer, feinstein

and now hoyer...they are all dino's...we are so screwed...

[slipslidingaway]

6. K&R one more R n/t

[ClassWarrior]

7. I just called his office. The aide said she wasn't aware that he'd...

...made any sort of statement on this. I gave her the news source cited in the link above. And I made sure she knows where I stand on the matter (see below).

Call Hoyer's office now!!

NGU.

[Bitwit1234]

9. Seems like he approves but thinks it wouldn't work and

would cause too much contention to get other stuff done. What I wish is...get the damn stuff passed. Then next August or so start proceedings to impeach both the S.O.B.s' Nothing to loose then.

[cascadiance]

16. Hey IDIOT Hoyer! Impeachment resolution would HELP you get other things done!

You aren't getting other things done and complain because you don't have the numbers to do so. If you put impeachment on the table, I think the other side would get a LOT more cooperative!

I don't think this is the real reason! It is BS! It is because your corporate masters don't want you to! ADMIT IT!

[ideagarden]

31. impeachment will get things done

If the veto stamp is gone the bills will pass. Remove the tumor's in office and start the curing process of America.

[MilesColtrane]

158. Regardless of who gets removed from office (if there were even the votes for that)...

...we're stuck with a Republican president for the next year.

If it's Bush, Cheney, or somebody appointed by Bush, that person will still be a Republican, and will still wield the veto pen to enforce the Republican agenda.

[dmr]

176. There still would be a big difference

if there were a different Republican sitting in the Vice-President office.

For one, Dick Cheney and the obstinate cold stone he calls a heart would be gone, along with his criminally compartmentalized evil mind; and my guess, so would be a very dangerously creative David Addington. They have been a formidable duo that has intimidated and frightened the beejeebers out of the White House, DOJ, DOD, State, CIA, and heaven knows what else's staffs.

[bdamomma]

37. or they are making money lots of it from their corporate masters.

when will they put our interests first before corporations.

[bpeale]

128. besides which we don't want the republicans

to get credit for being for the impeachment while dems are against it, especially since impeachment is what the people want.

[me b zola]

95. Hey, do you ever think about how stupid the republicans are

...who believe all of the idiotic lies that are fed to them and then turn around and repeat them with conviction? Even in the face of reality beating down on them, their incredible ability to ignore reality and all human decency, those bastards just keep repeating the talking points? No matter that the constitution & country are in peril from the actions of their beloved leaders, they continue to be loyal to those doing us great harm?


Do you see where I am going with this?

[mmonk]

130. What's going to get passed that matters or won't be vetoed?

Is it worth more in reality terms?

[humbled_opinion]

216. Next August? Get real they should have done this in first 100 hours..

The new twist is going to be how we (The Democrats) are just a bunch of looney whiners and complainers with no real plans for success... In Iraq, War on Terra, Immigration, Health Care, Economy... Blah, Blah...... Just look when we (The Republicans) tried to get them to debate their lunatic ideas about impeaching cheney they backed down... They fall for everything and stand for nothing.

Yuck I visualized that as a Right WIng campaign commercial.

[peacetalksforall]

250. Good jumor - get other stuff done. I kept believing they were waiting for two

things to happen:

a ground swell of support based on an expectation that we would have to do it - they were too criminal
or -
a development that would be better than impeachment

instead we have one disappointment after another -

each one surpasses the previous.

[rodeodance]

10. LISTENING TO DK NOW

[amb123]

11. MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE CONSTITUTION?!

Hoyer said his decision was not based upon the merits of the impeachment effort, but rather because the new Democratic majority had more important issues to resolve.

MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS?! ARE YOU AND NANCY INSANE?!

[BrklynLib at work]

15. One must assume that bowing down to their corporate masters is of a higher priority...

How very, very sad for whatever may be left of what was once the United States of America, its Constitution and Bill of Rights.

[Baby Snooks]

19. Insane?

They're not insane. They're traitors. Along with the Bushes.

[kimmylavin]

26. And another thing...

What the hell has this Democratic majority been resolving?

[Sherman A1]

61. Agreed

[mirrera]

131. Yeah WHAT? What have they resolved????????????? n/t

[D23MIURG23]

150. Redecorating the capital building maybe?

:shrug:

ASSHATS!!!

[Voice for Peace]

42. DITTO nt

[lovuian]

47. This kinda tells you that Democrat leaders are protecting

Cheney

We are witnesses
more important things
is not a good enough answer

[rucognizant]

98. One intern got a tongue lashing!

Only one of Hoyers offices was available! The other 4 were busy, mailboxes full! I ripped into the poor kid telling her how thew war was crippling my liofe personally and garaunteeing he qwould NOT be reelected!
Then I called my congreeman & said I would tear his bumper sticker off my car and not vote for him, if he didn't get out there & vote nay to table.!!
Pelosi's line is busy too.
BASTARDS!
write in Kucincich!

[WheelWalker]

129. Deja Vu all over again - (TIME, August 27, 1973) -- Making no real effort to address.....

the damaging Watergate charges, Nixon in his first address to the American public in three months pleads with the country to put aside the "backward-looking obsession with Watergate is causing this nation to neglect matters of far greater importance." The president, with a Gallup poll showing that only 31 percent of the people approved of the way he was doing his job -- the lowest rating of any President in 20 years -- skirted Watergate and defined his mandate to control inflation, reduce the size of government, reduce the cost of living and to achieve peace with honor in Southeast Asia.

[katty]

132. insane and NOT doing the People's Business

[truebrit71]

12. Fucking useless old bastard....he says there are more important issues like...

..."Change of policy in Iraq. Children’s health care. Energy independence. Educational access. Investing in health care."

When the fuck are you going to pass those measures then asshole? You've had a year to get it done and you STILL can't get them passed...

All you've done so far is succeed in getting almost everything vetoed and hand out never-ending blank checks to the war criminals in the WH...

Hoyer you need to lead, follow or GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY....

[ClassWarrior]

14. Actually, he can be quite a USEFUL old bastard, if only...

...we get our asses in gear and start convincing him, instead of letting bitterness cloud our reasoning.

NGU.

[cascadiance]

22. Hoyer to Kucinich: You are getting in the way of us trying to look like we're getting things done!

We can't let you take away our time to fool the public now! We need to go on to those emotional distracting issues that everyone "really cares" about instead!

[truebrit71]

24. I disagree...he has his own centrist agenda the people be damned...

...he is no better than any other politician that has fallen in love with the sound of his own voice...

[ClassWarrior]

30. Then let's make his life miserable.

When they resist, we need to push back. NOT give up. Even if it appears futile. Because it's NEVER futile (the Borg be damned).

NGU.

[ShortnFiery]

156. Absolutely! Hoyer dismissed his oath to uphold our beloved Constitution.

NOTHING is more important than SERVING THAT OATH! Both Hoyer and Pelosi should LOSE their seats to their next democratic primary opponent. *They shame us!* :grr: :thumbsdown:

[JDPriestly]

259. Hoyer has been a politician since he graduated from law school.

He never practiced law.

Congressman Hoyer has represented the 5th Congressional District since he was elected during a special election in 1981. Before serving in the House of Representatives he was elected to the Maryland Senate in 1966, at 27, just after graduating from law school at Georgetown University Law School. Congressman Hoyer was the youngest person in Maryland history to be elected Senate President where he served from 1975-1978.
http://hoyer.house.gov/district/index.asp

He apparently does not have a clue about how you use legal process to achieve justice with an obstinate crook like Bush.

He does not have to agree with going through with impeachment, but he should not thwart the impeachment process. He should have the intelligence to use the process as a whip to get the Republicans to have a little respect for us Democrats. This is the time for unity -- or at least the appearance of unity. Doesn't this man at least know how to bluff believably?

Hoyer is hurting Democrats far more than he may realize. I can hear the Republican argument now: if Democrats are afraid to impeach a president for war crimes, how in the world are Democrats going to prevent Al Qaeda, Musharraf and other dictators from committing similar war crimes?

As of yesterday, the whole world knows that Steny Hoyer is a coward -- and a fool (who does not know how to negotiate for beans). It is a good thing he never tried to make a living as a lawyer. He would have failed miserably. How can he be majority whip when he does not know how to use the threat of impeachment as leverage against a stubborn president. Steny Hoyer needs to go. He is incompetent as a leader. 5th District Maryland, this mess is of your making. Please do something about Steny Hoyer.

The only other explanation for Hoyer's stupid statement is that the Bush administration knows something about him that we don't know and has him under its thumb. He and Nancy Pelosi are out of touch.

I hear that members of the press are speaking of us as the "extreme left wing of the Democratic Party." Sorry, folks, but I am a little old lady and rather conservative in many ways. My lifestyle is more boring than a Republican's. I am a lawyer -- and not a particularly liberal one. My hobbies are languages, playing the piano and reading. And I've only ever been married once and for many, many years. I love America. I love our Constitution. And one of my favorite subjects, is American history. I am no leftie, guys. I am just well informed. And I want Bush and Cheney and the rest of them impeached because of their crimes and misdemeanors. Because it is right. Just wait. Start getting the facts out, and the rest of the country will soon stand with those of us who favor impeachment.

[D23MIURG23]

165. What could possibly convince him that isn't already there?

HK Camps? Bathtubs filled with the blood of virgins?

Most of my would be wild exaggerations are already taken. Constitution shredding? Roger. Spanish Inquisition? Already got it. Stalinist policing tactics?

You get the idea.

This is an elected representative. He should understand the consequences of letting a criminal, treacherous, coup off scott free. Its his ACTUAL job to realize things like that.

Not to snap at you but this man would be useful in the same capacities as all the other lobotomites.

[ClassWarrior]

168. The idea that he's damn close to losing his job? That's how politics works...

Always has. Always will.

NGU.

[D23MIURG23]

170. I see what you are getting at.

I guess self interest is the one thing none of them can argue with...

Is NGU an acronym?

[ClassWarrior]

174. Yup. For Never Give Up...

...my personal motto since 11/03/04. Thanks for asking! :hi:

Is Bob Dobbs Lou's brother?

NGU.

[D23MIURG23]

188. Bob Dobbs is Lou's older brother

Lou, being the less intellegent of the two misunderstood the word of Bob, and went on a crusade against entirely the wrong kind of alien. Now with X-day approaching Lou is neglecting the skies in favor of the Mexican border!

We all hope he comes back to his senses soon...

Here is a visual aid! :hi:

[ClassWarrior]

202. I love that illustration!

Now it all makes sense!!

NGU.

[Freddie Stubbs]

17. Hoyer vs. Kucinich. Anyone want to guess who will prevail?

[coalition_unwilling]

118. U.S. military vs. Iraqi Resistance. Anyone want to guess who will prevail? n/t

[Ken Burch]

127. More rich people back Hoyer, which is why he's YOUR kind of Dem

Meanwhile, Hoyer and Pelosi haven't actually passed ANYTHING that matters.

[Freddie Stubbs]

224. Yes, the rich sure were clamoring for the minimum wage increase Congress passed

[Ken Burch]

225. That response would only be valid if Hoyer had backed the increase while Kucinich opposed it.

And it's not like it was Hoyer's idea or anything.

That minimum wage increase was the bare minimum position a person could take and still BE a Democrat at all.

Hoyer has based his whole career on dissing the progressive wing of the party and insisting we be kept out in the cold. And this insistence hasn't done the party any actual good.

[Freddie Stubbs]

271. Hoyer supported SCHIP expansion, Kucinich opposed it but then caved from pressure

[gateley]

18. I was of the "let's get out of Iraq now THEN get Cheney/Bush out of office"

but hearing Naomi Wolf changed my mind. They can do a LOT of damage in the time the admin has remaining.

[robinlynne]

220. And the "get out of Iraq" dems just passed another 450 billion or is it trillion

dollars for the pentagon of extra money.

[sjdnb]

20. Keep the calls up and pass it on ....

Phone - [phone] (Hoyer's DC office)
Just called ... they are getting calls in

Excuse for tabling: SCHIP, Iraq, Farm Bill - made me want to puke.

But, sure the person who answered, who btw was very polite and listened, was just providing the 'talking points' she was given.

[TNOE]

Thank you for posting the number!

Just called & gave them my 2 cents.

[ideagarden]

34. just called

Told him to not be such a traitorous bastard. Get those bum's out. Support the constituion. Thanks for the number!

[Divine Discontent]

46. I called myself...

the young man that sounded like Templeton the rat (loved that character from Charlotte's Web) said he would let the congressman know of my displeasure with him...

sigh...

they're a bunch of lying failures.

SERIOUSLY, anyone in that district of any of these enablers should call them and say, "I'm not volunteering to help get you elected next time, you're a torture-enabler and there's more like me out there than you think".

I sounded depressed talking to the guy, and at the end said, "I'm really let down by the Democratic leadership".

[rateyes]

77. I just called and asked them to

quit subverting the Constitution.

[Andy Canuck]

21. Bummer.

[A wise Man]

23. Hoyer, Pelosi, and the whole bush administration

are in together.Break the law, its ok we have more important things to do. "F_ _K" WE HAVE NO REPRESENTATION ANYMORE!!!

[truth2power]

25. Lil' Boots probably has

a picture of ol' Steney, nekkid, with a dead girl or a live boy.....oh, wait, nobody cares about that anymore.

[Seabiscuit]

27. I know Hoyer's an idiot, but WTF ever happened to Conyers???

Anyone working to defeat DK's impeachment resolution is, IMHO, the worst kind of traitor to our Constitution.

[Fovea]

229. He wants to keep his committee position.

ANd if he doesnt toe the line, Nancy will take away his power.

[Seabiscuit]

265. I don't believe that for a minute.

Conyers has held that position for many years.

Nancy wouldn't dare mess with that.

Maybe all Conyers was doing was baiting the Repukes with his comment.

[leftofthedial]

28. it's official

the congressional "democrats" (other than a very few honorable ones) are our enemies.

"more important issues"? you mean like confirming king george's nominees for head of the secret police; rubberstamping the neocon agenda in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Amurka; enabling the destruction of the middle class? Those important issues that Hoyer and his inept gang of turncoats have been working tirelessly to accomplish?

I'm through with them. No money. No time. No votes. 34 years and now it's over.

[amb123]

29. The lead in Huffington Post right now

Bush Gets Worse Ratings Than Nixon But STILL CONTROLS CONGRESS

I think Hoyer just proved it. That about says it all don't it?

[jordi_fanclub]

43. Exactly...

I never saw such a bunch of moronic oposition than the current "democrats" at US Senate and US Congress!

Ooops... I lied!... I can see that kind of "opposition" in some ex-URSS, China and at some 3rd World countries.

Bush Gets Worse Ratings Than Nixon But STILL CONTROLS CONGRESS is a paradigm of inepcy in a so called "democracy"!

[Ian David]

32. I'll see if I can make a call to Hoyer without finding myself transfered to The Capitol Police. n/t

[KaryninMiami]

33. CALL Now (I just did). Demand that Hoyer remember who he represents and do the right thing

I just had a coversation with them-- whomever they have answering the phone is not only in a JR position, but needs to learn grammar "It's not that Congressman Hoyer doesn't think it's important but them are are other issues that are more important like the S-Chip program and Iraq". I said- "Ok so excuse my language here- but is Congressman Hoyer saying to screw the constitution? Forget about the crimes this administration has committed? Does he not care about the people he represents or being re-elected? Please urge him to reconsider his decision and allow this to come to the floor or be ready to face the responses of thousands of furious progressives and Democrats who will NOT take it lightly that our own party has stabbed us in the back!". She thanked me and said they are receiving many calls- I told her she hasn't seen anything yet.
CALL PLEASE and CAll again- let's flood their lines.

Also call your own representatives and demand they support HR 333 and that they stand with us against this asshole Hoyer.

Phone - [phone] (Hoyer's DC office)

[PufPuf23]

143. called my congressman too

Mike Thompson who represents one of the most liberal counties (Humboldt, CA) in the US.

The aide was nice but nothing to make me optimistic.

[corkhead]

35. Nader was right.

there truly is no difference between the two parties.

IGU

[Orsino]

167. No, he wasn't right.

But that difference is getting hard to see sometimes, so his real point stands. Both parties have caught the same disease. The same money is buying them both.

[DutchLiberal]

209. I tend to think Nader was right.

[Orsino]

240. Gore wouldn't have had PNAC whispering "Iraq" in his ear.

That war is a Republican invention. Neither Gore nor Kerry would have us mired there.

That's a big difference right there.

[DutchLiberal]

243. Yes, but the Democrats enabled Bush to invade Iraq, including some presidential candidates.

[Orsino]

245. Yes, the Dems are weak...

...but in charge--totally in charge--they wouldn't have ordered the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

I'm as willing as anyone to criticize Dem weakness, but there's still a crucial difference between them and the completely corrupt Republican machine that will keep me voting Democratic.

[DutchLiberal]

246. They have enabled the invasion. They refuse to impeach. They take the same corporate money.

I didn't come here to blast the Democratic party (otherwise I would've gone to FreeRepublic) but maybe, just maybe, Nader was right after all. I'm sorry, but Congress hasn't done anything since November to challenge this administration.

[Orsino]

257. They've done quite a bit...

...but have come up short in numbers because they haven't all done it.

[OwnedByFerrets]

36. ...

FUCK YOU!!! GOD DAMN, I AM SICK OF THESE FUCKING COWARDS.:mad:

[rockybelt]

38. More important things to do?

HEY, ASS_HOYER! What the fuck do you think could be more important than defending the Constitution that you SWORE to do when you took office. You did not swear allegiance to your corporate sponsors and you sure as hell did not swear your allegiance to George W. Bush. If you think you did, you can lift your right arm until it is straight out in front of you and shout HEIL, HEIL George Bush, I pledge allegiance to you and you only.
Come on ass-hole just call yourself a NAZI. That is what you are. You M*^&$&# f*^k#%!!!!:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

120. "Change of policy in Iraq" is more important

The 2006 election was to get us OUT of Iraq! It wasn't about any of that other crap he's saying is important. Hell, the Dems can't even get a "Gosh, would you pretty please if it doesn't upset you too much consider making even the tiniest change in your Iraq policy?" past Pissypants.

The Cheney-Bush administration intends (and will) get us into a nuclear war with Iran in the next 12 months, and the Democratic leadership is concerned that impeachment will distract the Dems from ignoring the signs of impending disaster? And they expect to get re-elected? They expect there to even BE elections in 2008?

[Fovea]

231. If you want to stop us nuking Iran

there would be few strategies better than thrusting a stick into dick's wheel via impeachment.

[Orsino]

39. They are not of us. n/t

[bdamomma]

65. apparently there is a deep disconnect between us and them.

[Cronopio]

40. "Impeachment is not on the agenda," Hoyer said.

Neither is your re-election, Steny. Get out of my country and my government.

You want to talk like a fascist, we'll deal with you like a fascist, no matter what party you're with.

[lovuian]

52. so ignore stealing lying to the American public

destroying our CIA and subpoena contempt and Iraq lies just ignore them???

This shows me Democrats are not finding on purpose
lets just say we are a ONE party system

[Cronopio]

267. I wouldn't go that far.

Kucinich or Dean would never be allowed in the current Republican Party, so that fact alone to me is a substantial difference between the parties.

But I agree that the differences aren't good enough anymore. Steny and Pelosi need to go back home and find a more honest line of work than appeasing mercenaries for profit and status (sub-mercenaries).

[robinlynne]

221. Then the man has the wrong damn agenda.

[Cronopio]

268. Well said. nt

[toadzilla]

44. motherfucker.

[rateyes]

45. Not based upon the merits, huh?

Hoyer said his decision was not based upon the merits of the impeachment effort, but rather because the new Democratic majority had more important issues to resolve.

Hey,Steny Hoyer---WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN UPHOLDING YOUR OATH TO OFFICE?

What a coward. What a fucking coward! (And, that goes for everyone who supports his effort to table this.)

[Megahurtz]

48. Dump Hoyer!!!!

He's a fucking Traitor!!!:mad: His loyalties lie with the War-Mongering A.I.P.A.C. (bomb Iran)
not with the American People!!! No wonder he won't impeach (bomb Iran) Cheney!!!:mad:

[rateyes]

49. Come on Conyers, quit talking out of both sides of your mouth...

I read a thread today where you said that you'd like to support impeachment. Here's your chance.

You said, Mr. Conyers, "If the speaker were to let this thing out of the box, considering the number of legislative issues we have pending," the Michigan Democrat told Fox News, "it could create a split that could effect our productivity for the rest of the Congress."

As if there's not ALREADY a split affecting the productivity for the rest of the Congress! It's time to come TOGETHER, and do the right thing, and impeach this bastard.

And, as far as TIME is concerned. It takes 15 minutes to take a vote, after it's approved it goes to the Senate, and the House can get back to business.

We can't afford NOT to take the time necessary to do this.

[lovuian]

55. I have to admit Conyers does talk both sides

and it is getting more obvious each day

[DesEtoiles]

51. SCREW YOU HOYER

[DesEtoiles]

53. PRODUCTIVITY? What fucking productivity???!!!!

[lovuian]

CaN'T THEY MULTI TASK

do business of Congress and conduct hearings they do it all the time

[rateyes]

74. Sure they can multi-task...

I just saw Hoyers chewing gum and shoving his fingers up his ass at the same time.

[rateyes]

79. Oops. I replied to the wrong post...the one below was meant

for you. :hi:

[rateyes]

83. I keep getting that this is a response to the Original Message...

No. It's not. WTF?

[paparush]

85. Yes..they can take corporate $$ with both the left and right hands..simultaneously.

[librarycard]

54. I called Hoyer

and complained.

[Raster]

56. Cowards or Collaborators?

I think the answer is OBVIOUS!

[Baby Snooks]

166. More than obvious...

Collaborators and co-conspirators. Truly disgraceful for a Democrat to so brazenly oppose another Democrat in defense of an administration the majority of the American public no longer believes in, no longer supports, and wants impeached and convicted and removed from office.

[jfippse]

263. Impeachment

Problem - Too many gutless, chicken shit Democrats.

[AtomicKitten]

57. WTF?

Seriously, WTF?

[earthside]

58. Down the Drain?

Arianna Huffington has an article today entitled: "Will Bush Suck the GOP Down the Drain With Him?"

You have wonder if a more interesting question might be: "Will Bush Suck the Democrats Down the Drain With Him?"

What a day ... what a message ... Hoyer, Schumer and Feinstein all supporting Bush/Cheney.

[Tarheel_Dem]

59. It's times like this that I truly wonder if those illegal wiretaps

turned up some inconvenient truths for some of our guys. I don't know how else to explain their capitulation, and cutting the legs from underneath their own party members. I truly am at my wit's end to figure out the likes of Schumer, Feinstein & Hoyer.

[me b zola]

101. That would make them even bigger cowards

How did MLK react when he was wire tapped and then blackmailed? He stood without political cover and said that he would not stop fighting for what was right.

[Zhade]

234. Yes, but that takes courage, which most Dems - and many posters here - lack.

They are true cowards.

[theaocp]

155. wiretaps are selfish to begin with

That's what it's all been about from the beginning, yes? We don't really need all this bullshit wiretapping to save the day, unless it's for selfish ends! Fuck these guys ... their credibility is tapped out. Let * do a recess appointment for the rest of his term on everything. Anyone he puts up isn't worth a breath. Cheers.

[bdamomma]

62. I just faxed him.

[Auggie]

63. And Congress wonders why their approval rating is 11%

[HuffleClaw]

64. seriously? what sort of a loon is this guy ?

appalling. spineless fucking cowardly bunch, the dems.

[bdamomma]

66. Steny is up there

having a vote, now recording a vote 15 minutes.

[Robbien]

71. So far 2 Dems voting with GOPers

I cannot voice how much I hate Steny.

[bdamomma]

67. having a vote to table the motion

if I caught that right.

[SeanQ]

68. Your F'ing kidding me!?!?!

"More important things to do"?!?! Let the damn bill hit the floor and see if it can get anywhere on it's own merits.

You know why he doesn't want it to be voted on? Some of the Democratic leadership are terrified of having to make a stand and being exposed as the administration stooges they are. JMHO

[Megahurtz]

69. Get OUT Of The FUCKING WAY Hoyer!!!

[Mojambo]

70. So incredibly predictable

I know I risk getting run off this site for saying it, but I'm about done with this party.

[mike_c]

72. leave it to congressional dems to come to Cheney's aid....

Republicans don't even have to lift a finger. :puke:

[Initech]

73. Impeachment should be ON THE TABLE, and in front of thier fucking faces!

Argh, I'm tired of this shit. :argh:

[Deep13]

75. There's an agenda?

Who knew?

And apparently this agenda is more important than the Constitution and maintaining rule of law.

[LibDemAlways]

78. The repukes impeached Clinton over a stain on

a dress, and the Dems can't be bothered to bring charges against lying, thieving, Constitution-shredding warmonger criminals.

You can bet the r's are peeing in their pants laughing over the mind-numbing spinelessness of the wimps who are supposedly running things now.

[McCamy Taylor]

80. If Cheney had been impeached in January we would be out of Iraq now.

But then the Dems would have lost their best campaign issue for next year and the GOP would have someone running for president as a sitting VP.

[Stuckinthebush]

81. Shall I table my donations to the Democratic Party?

It'll be a procedural matter for me. I have much more important issues to deal with at this time.

[Mrspeeker]

86. good idea, you should start a post with that in the title

hehe

[Stuckinthebush]

89. My god it is frustrating!

I give and give to the Dems in the hopes that they will do something about this criminal administration and yet they sit by and do nothing. Hell, just let the damn thing go to vote and let it die there. Don't table the thing! At least by letting it go to a vote we will see who is supporting the status quo and who is not.

Of course, that is why it is being tabled, isn't it?

I'm going back to bed. :(

[rucognizant]

110. Table your money too!

It's a challenge to avoid buying from any corporation, but try to do it! We have a little remainder chain in Maine,that carrys off brands of food ( cookies from Austria etc.) I try to buy as much of my food there as I can, beyond locally grown of course!
Support Hugo Chavez' Citgo station, he & Joe Kennedy gave me 100 gal of free heating oil last winter, and the pries at the pump are usuallyu less. Alternatibvely I use Irving a Canadian Company.!
Buy Roy Toy building block/log cabin kits for Xmas.........http://roytoy.com/main.html.......even their packaging is made in the USA!
The Grandson reserected his Grandfathers business.
I have a Doll company too but I want to check to make sure their product is made in the USA. Dolls are easy tho. There was a wave of dollmaking about 12 years ago, there are still dollmakers without customers lurking in many communities!

[Rose Siding]

154. No! Dean at the DNC is one of the only one of 'em who favors primary challenges

He's the one rebuilding at local levels where the only chance of any real progressive change exists. I quit giving to the DSSC and the DCCC long ago, but individual progressive Dems, and Dean's DNC can still count on me.

[Mad_Dem_X]

82. F*cking Dems are betraying us left and right

Is Kucinich the only one with the guts to take on this corrupt administration? :wtf: :banghead:

[conspirator]

264. I hate to disappoint those who still believe in elections:

Hillary will be another example of backstabbing "Democrat"

[Mrspeeker]

84. fuck these so called elected officials

"If the speaker were to let this thing out of the box, considering the number of legislative issues we have pending," the Michigan Democrat told Fox News, "it could create a split that could effect our productivity for the rest of the Congress."

OK MR. Conyers, name one thing that has passed in the last 7 years that has benefited the American People? Keep in mind that..THE AMERICAN CORPORATIONS ARE NOT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

The Answer: FUCKING NOTHING AT ALL!

[yurbud]

87. so there are things more important than stopping Iraq War, impeachment, and preventing World War?

[olddad56]

115. Yes, it is not outside the realm of possibilities that there are worse things....

Just to play Devils Advocate for a moment. What if....

The demos succeed in getting an impeachment process started against Cheney and/or Bush.

What if....

That triggers our fascist leaders into ordering another 'false flag' attack against it's own citizens

Then what if ...

That disaster is used as the excuse to invoke Presidential Directive #51, thereby imposing martial law, suspending elections, and dropping the pretense that we still live in a democracy.

Then what if ...

You want to go to visit your relatives 50 miles away, but you are turned back at the checkpoint by a blackwater security guard with an automatic weapon.

not probable. but possible.

[noiretextatique]

159. when they disenfranchised voters and stole the first election

with the help of their treasonous friends on the supreme court, i really, truly thought democrats would fight back. it's been one thing after another since then, and democrats STILL don't get it.
the unthinkable has already been excuted by these maniacs, and several times now.
what if...

stolen elections
corrupt judges
orchestrated terrorist attacks on your own citizens
illegal wars

what if has already happened.

[yurbud]

163. yeah, someone told Nader their rep said exactly that. Problem is, then our democracy is a sham

a kibuki play we go through so long as our corporate masters aren't too offended.

[yurbud]

164. if Dems thought that was the case, why not open up that can of worms like Church Committee did?

or like Iran Contra?

[Fovea]

232. Then the fascist takeover becomes manifest sooner.

And the insurrection starts sooner.

[redqueen]

88. This is a big mistake.

They just reinforced the "Dems are no better" meme.


Way to go.

[Rude Horner]

192. Bingo

I've posted this before and I'll say it again. Before the last election I begged and pleaded with friends and relatives to get out and vote for the Democrats. I can't tell you the number of times I heard "They're all the same" and "it doesn't matter who we vote for" and "The Dems are no better than the Repubs".

I talked those people into getting out and voting, and when the Dems won I said "Ok, now you just wait and see. It will be different".

Those friends and relatives are laughing their asses off at me now, with a big fucking "I told you so."

And they wonder why people are fed up and don't vote. They wonder why people just give up on the system. This is exactly the problem. We vote the Dems in and they are fucking spineless wimps.

I'll say one thing for the Repubs. They fucking take a god damn stand and don't back down.

[redqueen]

90. Phones are ringing off the hook in Hoyer's office.

Let him have it.

[IronLionZion]

91. Let's impeach John Conyers first

since some DUers know more than he does...yet don't run for any office.

:sarcasm:

House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, whose panel has jurisdiction over impeachment proceedings, has described the impeachment effort as a potential disruption.

"If the speaker were to let this thing out of the box, considering the number of legislative issues we have pending," the Michigan Democrat told Fox News, "it could create a split that could effect our productivity for the rest of the Congress."

[redqueen]

94. See post #93. (nt)

[sce56]

99. Too Bad I see a disfunctional congress already what difference would it make!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

109. nice 'stache Mr. President.

[rateyes]

92. It's being tabled, and the majority of the Dems

are voting to table it right now! Someone please tell me how this vote "protects and defends the Constitution of the U.S.?"

The Democratic Party is now the party of capitulation. They have just declared that this administration is above the Constitution of the US.

Our leadership just sold our souls for a mess of stew. Bastards.

Excuse me, everyone, while I go throw up.

Dammit!

[DWilliamsamh]

93. WHAT PRODUCTIVITY??!! (N/T)

[Mrspeeker]

96. I looked up Steny Hoyer on Wikipedia and this is what it said lol

Steny Hoyer
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

this is a cowardly thug

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steny_Hoyer"

[Megahurtz]

117. From Wikipedia:

I'm telling ya, this is why he won't impeach Cheney:

>>>"Israel: Hoyer is a supporter of Israel, and has often been allied with AIPAC"<<<

>>>"Iran: Hoyer has stated that a nuclear Iran is "unacceptable" and that the use of force remains an option against Iran."<<<
If something happens to Iran Hoyer will now be to blame along with Cheney!!!:nuke::grr:

[go west young man]

97. More proof that we of the progressive left are the ones who will

be the true Saviour's of America, and the world for that matter. For the Dinocrats like Hoyer it's all about being centrist, playing to the middle and getting elected next time. It's not about leading. As someone else wrote, the new majority has managed to pass none of those things Hoyer mentioned. He is simply enabling Cheney and future dictators to trample on the U.S. Constitution. That makes him as pathetic as those he refuses to prosecute in defense of the Constitution. Cheney could literally walk up to a person and put a gun in his mouth and blow that persons brains out and Hoyer would not impeach him. How many people have had their body parts blown off by Cheney and Bush? How many have had their families turned into piles of blood,vomit,shit,lifeless limbs and goo? How many? How many lives destroyed and for what. For oil and a bunch of lies.And we let someone like Hoyer protect these assholes? Man it's sickening. We all need to get fired up about this. Now more than ever.

[MissDeeds]

100. What a bunch of spineless bastards

If the Democrats let this slide and do not stand up to this corrupt administration, then they are complicit in every immoral and illegal action of this regime. Apparently, our Democratic leadership holds the Constitution in the same regard as the chimp in charge; "it's just a goddamn piece of paper."

I am so disgusted and fed up with these dolts. Damn their worthless hides.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

102. Does the Democratic leadership think we're stupid?

Do they think we'll automatically vote Democratic no matter what? If the Dems are just going to condone the immoral actions of Cheney and Bush, how are they any different than the Republicans?

I'm voting Kucinich in the primary and in the main election.

[katty]

126. they count on it - my guess bush/cheney threatened

pelosi and steney

[Zhade]

236. Same here.

Anyone not like that? Fuck you, I no longer care.

[RiverStone]

103. Please post link to find final Roll Call w/names --- thank you!

Can't seem to find it...

[graywarrior]

104. To me that means they're all in it together.

[benld74]

105. Man, do they have the DEMS pegged or what,,,

they knew the DEMS wouldn't proceed with the impeachment! They knew the DEMS would play fair. This is the one trick they will always have up their sleeve. Time for the woodshed boys. Do yur effin jobs and get rid of them. Who says you can't do both? Who says you can do either? Dumbass will just veto anything you put in fornt of him anyway!

[laconicsax]

107. The MAJORITY of Rethugs are voting no on the motion

As of typing this, it's 89 Yea, 102 Nea, 9 Not voting

[lfairban]

112. I don't get it.

The Dems are voting to table and the Repubs are voting to proceed. (??)

[brendan120678]

114. Yes, because...

The Republicans want the debate to impeach to proceed, because they believe that it will make the Democrats look bad, vindictive, or something. However unpopular my opinion is, I actually agree. There are more important things to do than to try to impeach Cheney at this point. If they want to do that, wait until next year when they have less to accomplish.

[leftynyc]

124. Absolutely on the mark

It'll look like revenge - nothing more. And I agree - there are way more important things to do - I just wish the congress would actually do them.

[Zhade]

235. Yeah, why try to hold criminals accountable? Let 'em walk instead!

Cowardly.

[Deep13]

119. They either don't want to be on Vader's side...

...or else they, like the D. leadership, see this as a strategic mistake for the Ds. and wish to enable it. Possibly it is both.

[still_one]

108. sounds like it is time to impeach hoyer for

impeading the will of the people

Seriously it is time we start to elect people to replace the trash in congress

[ideagarden]

122. and it will happen

If the democrats don't support the new leaders the people can. Maybe there should be a new party called the People's party.

[leftynyc]

125. Elected persons in congress can't be impeached

Recalled by their constituents but not impeached (could be wrong about this but I don't think so).

[John Gauger]

187. There is no prevision for recall of Congress members.

The only way a member of Congress can be removed is by a vote of the house that they are a member of. I don't think that has ever been done before.

[EV_Ares]

141. Wouldn't it be beautiful if there was a way for a recall on these weak idiots. eom.

[sakabatou]

111. Dammit

[Rosa Luxemburg]

116. Did Cheney threaten to shoot Hoyer's cat?

Hoyer is a Cheney Democrat

[defendandprotect]

135. The DLC and Cheney are the same people . . .

[wizstars]

123. Where is Barbara Jordan when we need her???

"I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction, of the Constitution."

"If the impeachment provision in the Constitution of the United States will not reach the offenses charged here, then perhaps that 18th-century Constitution should be abandoned to a 20th-century paper shredder."

--BJ

We would do well to heed her wise words today.

[Dukkha]

136. Hoyer's re-election is not on the agenda

bye-bye asshole!

[winston61]

137. What a douche bag-

You ever hear of doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do? You have more important things to do instead of stopping this regime destroying the country? What chicken shits! But then, why should we be surprised?

[EV_Ares]

140. So what the fuck is more important on the agenda. I didn't even know

they had an agenda other that to giftwrap everything for Bush. Looks like Bush will get all of his Xmas wishes with this group of dem leaders.

This one pretty well takes the cake.

[williesgirl]

142. That's it. I'm DONE. I want an independent 3rd party NOW that will support our Consititution, Bill

of Rights, the Geneva Convention and not be owned by corporations or special interests.

They've seen my last penny and vote. Amen. Fucking traitors all of them. They are worse than Bush and the Repukes.

[Deep13]

149. I wonder if that is even possible.

It would require the support of a large part of the population an considerable financial backing to be feasible. I wonder is the average American even cares about this. I remember a year or two after 9/11 my s-i-l telling me "who cares about the Constitution" when we are being threatened. I have to figure a lot of people think that way.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

144. That's why I didn't vote for him...

He kisses the moneyed MD rethugs asses. There was a Green candidate on the ballot, and I voted for him in the last election.

[humbled_opinion]

145. Why do we even Bother.... America wants these ass clowns out of office and our party...

OUR PARTY... OUR STINKING PARTY... Fails to take action... WHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF...

You have a President that has the lowest polling in generations... probably ever and you table a motion to impeach the VP who lied us into an unwinnable war...

The world is turning upside down.

[humbled_opinion]

146. Oh thats right Steny... I guess the only way you can get impeached by Congress

is to get caught with your Pecker in somebody's mouth... Who mouth you got your pecker on huh?

[Megahurtz]

179. Lol!

[Wisconsin Larry]

147. I just called and they are still answering the phones so let's pour it on

[phone] (Hoyer's DC office)

I called and got through right away meaning more people need to be on the phone.
My message was that until impeachment was on the agenda nothing real was going to get accomplished. This administration will continue to ignore the rule of law, Congress, and the will of the American people.

Oh, and after a few other comments, I closed by promising to contribute heavily to whoever runs against Hoyer in the next primary election. Making a list...

[TechBear_Seattle]

148. Proof: The Democrats don't give a rat's ass about the rule of law

How again are they different from the Republickers? Anyone willing to hazzard a guess?

[ooglymoogly]

152. Innit wonderful how dems can be effective when they want to be

Unlike NAFTA and all the other astoundingly selfish legislation FOR THE PUGS that they have a dictionary of excuses for letting by.

[proud2BlibKansan]

153. Fuck you Hoyer

[chelsea0011]

160. They have failed on new Iraq policy, failed on children insurance, failed on

illegal wiretaps, and failed on the dems who voted for change. But Hoyer says they have important work to do. And it's spelled f..a..i..l..u..r..e.

[yurbud]

162. and when they use terms like ''new Iraq policy'' it means mending not ending war

at least the Republicans have the courtesy to throw their base an occasional bone.

[MasonJar]

161. Wake up, Maryland, this guy needs to go. Can anyone imagine Murtha

doing that?

[syberlion]

169. Call The Judicial Committee to move this forward--

Ok, let's get those phones line burning. It's time for those on the Judicial Committee to know we, the American public, are NOT going away just because HR333 got sent to their committee. This is part of the process. Also part of the process is all of us calling to keep this alive and in front of the American public. While the resolution was being read on CSPAN, I checked around the news channels, and NONE of them even had a bit about the reading, not even in their annoying crawl... I even checked the 3 major networks and NOTHING.

So, it is up to us to get the word out. Tell your friends, your relatives, neighbors and co-workers (for those of us still lucky to still be employed in this horrible economy.)

[Krashkopf]

190. Agreed

Here are all of the Democratic Members of the House Judiciary.

Call 'em all. Give 'em HELL!

Democrat
Hon. Berman
(D) California, 28th

Hon. Boucher
(D) Virginia, 9th

Hon. Nadler
(D) New York, 8th

Hon. Scott
(D) Virginia, 3rd

Hon. Watt
(D) North Carolina, 12th

Hon. Lofgren
(D) California, 16th

Hon. Jackson Lee
(D) Texas, 18th

Hon. Waters
(D) California, 35th

Hon. Delahunt
(D) Massachusetts, 10th

Hon. Wexler
(D) Florida, 19th

Hon. Sánchez
(D) California, 39th

Hon. Cohen
(D) Tennessee, 9th

Hon. Johnson
(D) Georgia, 4th

Hon. Sutton
(D) Ohio, 13th

Hon. Gutierrez
(D) Illinois, 4th

Hon. Sherman
(D) California, 27

Hon. Baldwin
(D) Wisconsin, 2nd

Hon. Weiner
(D) New York, 9th

Hon. Schiff
(D) California, 29th

Hon. Davis
(D) Alabama , 7th

Hon. Wasserman Schultz
(D) Florida, 20th

Hon. Ellison
(D) Minnesota, 5th

[deacon]

171. pelosi, hoyers, schumer, feinstein, a goddam bunch of losers... n/t

[Herman74]

172. IF THE REPUGS CAN IMPEACH CLINTON FOR ...

...trivial crap like covering up an extramarital affair that his own wife forgave him for, impeaching Cheney and The Chimp should be a DAMN NO-BRAINER FOR ALL THE SERIOUS AND SIGNIFICANT SHIT THEY'VE PULLED OVER THE YEARS!!!!

[bushisdirt]

173. The Republicans knew what Hoyer would do. And their gambit worked. They

have now effectively divided the Democratic Party so thouroughly I am not at all certain there will be a pickup in the House or the Senate. May be even a loss. Add Hoyer's name to Pelosi, Reid, Feinstein and Schumer as Democratic traitors.

[GMFORD]

175. What is more important than

following the Constitution? What is more important than restoring Americans' faith in government?

This is the most important thing they have to do. What if our firemen wouldn't respond to a raging fire because they didn't want to interrupt the paperwork they were filling out from the last fire? That's what it sounds like to me -- bureaucratic bullshit!

[Krashkopf]

177. There ARE no issues that are more important than IMPEACHMENT!

When are the weak-kneed Democratic "leaders" like Nancy Pelosi, and Steny Hoyer, and (sadly) John Conyers, going to realize that there ARE no issues more important than this.

Restoring the Constitution is MORE important than stopping the "war" in Iraq;

Restoring the Constitution is MORE important than Health Care Reform;

Restoring the Consitution is MORE important than Immigration Reform.

And, there is ONLY one way to restore the Constitution, and that is by IMPEACHING THE BASTARDS.

If Pelosi, and Hoyer, and Conyers, aren't up to the job, if they don't have the "balls" to perform their Constitutional DUTY, it is time for them to STEP DOWN from leadership, and let progressives who aren't afraid to FIGHT BACK take over the reigns of power.

As we used to say in the Army - LEAD, or get out of the way!

[Tab]

178. Fine, then let's impeach Steny Hoyer and Nancy Pelosi and work until we get someone who WILL impeach

Because it's on MY agenda dammit.

[Megahurtz]

180. IMPEACHMENT Will Resolve The Issues DUMBASS!!!

Don't give us that load of Shit!

[tbyg52]

181. More. Important. Issues.

The country is being run into the ground by a gang of crooks. What the HELL is more important???????!!!!!!

[orleans]

182. ha ha. it didn't work. let the impeachment begin! n/t

[eagler]

184. Unforgivable.

All of the problems which have taken the country in the wrong direction for the last 7 years are the result of this administration.

[Broadslidin]

185. Only Corporate Money decides who will be impeached. Get ready for Rudy...!

Realizing,
the presidential figure-head fix is in.
(after all,just beneath the surface,
we murikans tremble with horrid fear,
when Rudy speaks the words on the Television:
"democrats are weak on national security".)

A constitutionally guaranteed money manipulated
two political party set up.
Tis the U.S. Empire way of doing biz
while
clearly tracing the blood saturated imperial trail back to 1898.

:patriot: :nuke: :patriot:

[PATRICK]

186. "Split and productivity"

That is already in question as is the entire rationale for current leadership legislative policy. By not arguing about the merits of course, nothing positive and a great deal negative can be assumed about their unstated stand on the issue.

As for the stuff in the works. Like stiffed committee investigations that will get nowhere, like laws that Bush will veto or cause to be changed to the further detriment of the Constitution, to the programs themselves, to crony appointments and to the advancement of a new war and the uncritical continuance of the CRIMINAL Iraq occupation? The challenge of the Bush administration is much more clear: Take me down or forget about getting anything done, getting any credit, getting any SURE political points for the noble avoidance. The first step in the argument is that in order to accomplish anything the criminal blockage around which ALL devolves must be faced, even if it were not the single most important issue facing the sworn duty of the House members to defend the Constitution and, oh yeah, the people constantly under threat because of this dangerous administration, threat to rights, threat of war, of terrorism and national disaster and deliberate mismanagement counter to the public good and the entire code of law.

In fact the steadfast compromise which is worse than that, adamant avoidance of duty(because they are "busy"). It gives the road to further deterioration of all lawmaking abilities, gives the lie to having any critical function or "loyal opposition" and seals the doom of many lives in the process. It puts the imprimatur of surrender on the death of habeas corpus, of DOJ election fraud against the democrats in particular, on unlawful, unknown surveillance(of the Dems in particular?), etc. etc.

All roads lead to impeachment and the leadership is permanently parked, having champagne and cheese at the Roadkill Cafe, waiting for a new third way presidency so we can have eight years of leadership avoidance- with a difference.

[southerncrone]

189. Vote fixing. Maybe that's what the deal is.

Maybe the neocons have promised to fix their elections, too, if they "play along".

Why else would they be so traitorous & use such transparent excuses?

[muntrv]

191. Overthrow Hoyer if impeachment is not on the table.

[Prophet 451]

193. Traitor n/t

[AlecBGreen]

195. 2 things

1) I called Hoyer's office, spoke briefly to a young, female intern and told her not only should Hoyer step out of Kucinich's way but should give him a hand in impeaching these clowns. She was very polite, picked up on the 1st ring ... I guess they're getting plenty of calls!

2) This is getting to the point of ridiculousness. This Congress was elected en masse to go to DC and hold Bush accountable. They are giving him a free pass to continue his reckless behavior, only for the sake of (hopefully) turning their weak-kneed approach and spinning it as some sort of "bi-partisan spirit" to the American electorate in '08. This is a total farce and the entire dem leadership from Reid & Pelosi on down should be ashamed of themselves.

Big up for DK and long live the fightin' spirit of the progressive movement in this country.

:kick:

[eagler]

226. It's way past the point of being ridiculous.

[stubtoe]

196. There is NO more important business than saving the Constitution and

restoring democracy in the US.

Congress is shirking its duty. This is a sad day for our country.

[ncteechur]

197. I am not ashamed to be a Democrat. I am ashamed that Steny Hoyer is one.

[Myrina]

198. It's not up to Steny to determine OUR "agenda" ...

... he and others are in DC to represent the WILL OF THE PEOPLE, and as far as I can see and hear, there are a HELL of alot of people who are standing right along with Dennis Kucinich on the Impeachment Initiative.

Steny (and other Bush/Cheney enablers) need to get his head out of the corporate paymasters' asses and start listening to who he's REALLY supposed to be working for.


:mad: :nuke: :mad: :nuke:

[Sam Ervin jret]

199. Do you think BUSH has a VOO DOO doll he uses to control all of congress?

I can't explain it any other way. ( with due respect to the religion in question)

[calteacherguy]

200. Good move on Hoyer's part. We have to lead, and there are vastly more important issues at this time

nt

[humbled_opinion]

203. Your post is, well its just Insane.

Dick Cheney intentionally lied to the Congress and the American people, manipulated intelligence in order to get this country into a war in Iraq... Saddam booga, booga and the Congress bit. He also outed a CIA operative as retribution for calling him on his lies...

So do you then agree with Cheney? Lying to the American people was a necessary evil to get rid of Saddam before he could funnel money and support to terrorists for another strike on the U.S.? Is that acceptable almost a million dead Iraqis...

Do you not see the crimes? Leading us into a war which directly benefited him personally and a war that is without end. Explain to the almost 4000 dead U.S. Servicemen family's how there is more important work to be done then to hold the culprit accountable. Explain to the taxpayers how a multi-trillion dollar war which our grand kids and their grand kids will be paying for is not as important as the other work that Congress has to get done.

This Congress has done absolutely nothing... Democrats elected to the Majority in 2006 to change the direction and hold Bush accountable... We are not on a new path. The Democrats said Bush is staying the course and we will make him change course and they simply didn't do it. Now the surge that Bush started is showing progress... Bush trumpets this as success... Bush says Congress isn't doing anything constructive and well WOW guess what for once I agree with him...

How do you think the Democrats are going to fare in the 2008 election if they can't even stand up to a weak lame duck and his assistant.

So what more important work needs to be done... To not impeach Cheney nay to not even discuss in open public debate on the floor of the House the crimes that Cheney committed that is the real atrocity here.

So I take from Steny Hoyrer and Nancy Pelosi's (ACTIONS) that they are in agreement with Bushco and therefore are the same as BUSHCO.

[Zhade]

237. What is more important than the rule-of-law and justice?

Why do you think your cowardly advocation of letting criminals walk gets anything done?

[Gen. Jack D. Ripper]

273. Yeah, issues that are also not being addressed.

If by lead you mean pussy foot around, playing a political game of name calling and tiddlywinks, then yes, lead on!

[Joey Liberal]

201. Pelosi is a failure

I think we have to admit that Pelosi has been a failure.

[humbled_opinion]

204. For all the talk their is absolutely no action...n/t

[Joey Liberal]

205. Exactly. And it's shameful. I have no confidence in Pelosi. n/t

[davekriss]

249. Nancy and Hoyer are complicit

Someone better check to see if they were registered Republicans right up to their first election to which they were elected to Congress then switched to Democrats to aid winning. You know, just like the Election Board Supervisor in Palm Beach County in 2000, "Madame Butterfly", who switched to the Democratic Party so she could steal the position and steal some votes for Bush.

(OK, OK, I know Pelosi and Hoyer aren't party switchers -- but I do wonder if the Democratic Party has been infilitrated by the other side. Sure does seem like it at times.)

[DutchLiberal]

206. And then they blame people for voting Third party, or not voting at all.

And then they're surprised when in 2008, Guiliani will become president. Because he will.

More important things to do? Oh yeah, I guess the Constitution is not important anymore...

[humbled_opinion]

218. Guilani, Bush, Clinton, Cheny in my mind they are all from the same mold.

Its time for REAL CHANGE.. Its time for Obama/Edwards....

[DutchLiberal]

242. Funny. They're also from the very same mold.

[FedUp_Queer]

207. Yeah, people, we have MUCH more important things to do....

How can you possibly think impeaching some minor person like the vice-president for high crimes and misdemeanors. GEEZ!!! Constitution, schmonstitution. Let's do some important stuff...like sending Bush a blank check for Iraq. Come one people...PRIORITIES!!!

[robinlynne]

223. The important things to the right of the democratic party are elections. That is

true of steny hoyer and pelosi and feinstein and all the rightwing DUers who scream about how they are "democrats uber alles". They only care about elections, nothing else. I almost think it is time to let all of them fall right out of office so they learn that being a Democrat does not mean playing at being a Republican.

[LWolf]

208. While I'm pissed, I'm not surprised.

I quit trusting the majority of congresspeople to uphold the constitution long ago.

[neuvocat]

210. Fuck!

[and-justice-for-all]

211. Do not just bitch on this board!!!

Contact him either via email or call his office!! I just emailed him myself!!

[FedUp_Queer]

214. I never thought I'd say this...

but it just does no good. After all the hell we raised culminating in the election in November 2006, and this? The real and fundamental change the country needs is beyond what the people can really take. Bush is the last President.

[and-justice-for-all]

239. If change can not be had by civil means..

Then stop being civil and revolt.

Bush is not a President, he and his cronies are tryrants, they deserve no other title. I would rather have no Federal government system at all then continue this manical fascist shit. This is NOT what Democracy looks like! I have had it too, I am at my ends with this fucking shit.

[0007]

212. We have become what we've always feared.

We are truly in a dictatorship.

[TheCowsCameHome]

213. Swellfleet wants to hump Cheney's bald head.

[Zhade]

215. More important issues than holding criminals accountable?

He is fucking insane.

[Beam Me Up]

217. There is no more important agenda that impeaching these criminals. n/t

[humbled_opinion]

219. Wait Just A Minute

The way I understand what happened is that this bill now goes to committee thanks in large part to the Republicans game playing...

So Conyers should do a full investigation into the charges and bring it up for a full House vote... The DEMOCRATS are the Majority... Impeaching on party lines ensures that Cheney will go down in history as an impeached VP...

Next on the agenda would be a trial to hold him personally accounatable...

This is far from over thanks to dimwit Republicans... I say play it for what its worth. My God if Bill Clinton can get impeached for lying about a slob job from an intern then Cheney's impeachment is guaranteed...

[robinlynne]

222. no. somehow pelosi got to conyers and "convinced" him that impeachment is bad.

We are going to have to convince them all that they are wrong.

[Fovea]

228. "it could create a split that could effect our productivity for the rest of the Congress."

Note to Mr. Conyers.

Productivity is not measured by the number of bills that get vetoed and not overridden. Effectiveness is not the number of times you can cave to the president on small matters like habeas corpus.

You took an oath to defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies foreign and domestic. Please remember that when you consider whether the executive branch should face justice for their destruction of democracy and the constitution.

This may shock you, but the Democratic party is not as important as that oath.

[dave123williams]

230. We have bigger issues than fucking 'legislative productivity'. DUH.

[rAVES]

238. Absolutley incredible.. none of those issues are going anywhere regardless...

[glowing]

241. bullshit.. they can't pass any of that crap now without King George's

saying anyway... get impeachment on the table... Let's really start to see what these sick ass's have done all in our name.

[deacon]

244. "...that could effect our productivity for the rest of the Congress." ???

What productivity? They are not ending the war. They are not holding bush accountable on anything. Pass a bill get it vetoed- pass a bill get it vetoed. Just what in hell are they talking about?

[4dsc]

247. "impeachment is the PEOPLE's agenda"!!!!

Perhaps we need to inform our so called leaders that they need to carry out the agenda of the people and not their self centered agenda..

[jcla]

248. Is this most Democrats idea of leadership and productivity?

The Gulf Coast is still recovering and trying to rebuild from Katrina.
The Occupation of Iraq is still ongoing.
Health care for poor children passed by congress was vetoed by Bush.
Our School system is failing.
The Supreme Court handed Bush/Cheney power in 2000.
We have demonstrated our contempt for the Geneva Convention by supporting torture and outsourcing prisons for terrorists and so-called terrorists.
Bushco has wire tapped and imprisoned Americans on "terrorist" charges.
Bushco has slapped and laughed and whittled away at the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
What legislation on weaning our dependency of oil?
What environmental protection?
Now Bushco is threatening Iran as they did Iraq before the invasion...
Impeachment of Bush and Cheney will stop this kind of productivity...
We just handed Bushco the houses of Congress and rolled over..just as the Roman Senators did for the Caesars... We now have 440 days left of the Bushco administration... I shudder to think what they can do in the time left..is Musharrif giving them ideas?

[Eurobabe]

251. Hey Hoyer, IMPEACHMENT is on my agenda, and we voted you in!

All of yins better listen to the PEOPLE!!

[connecticut yankee]

253. Why did we work our asses off

to get Democrats elected to Congress?

They're no better than the repukes!

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[The Stranger]

254. Traitor.

[classysassy]

255. Steny and Nancy

both of you are a disgrace.You allow Bushco to get away with criminal acts and you do nothing,shame on both of you.

[yoyossarian]

256. NO IMPEACHMENT until the new White House paint job is finished!

T-shirts, mugs, buttons n' cards at http://cafepress.com/laughcity">Laugh City

http://steponnopets.com/peo">President Evil Online has risen from the grave!

[everydayis911]

258. Not on the Agenda?

WTF does he think he's there for. Protecting the Constitution is not on their agenda. Well they all may was well go home and leave the rest of the destruction of the Constitution to Bush and The Dick.
Maybe someone should put Hoyer and Nancy Peloser on the same article of impeachment for aiding and abetting the enemy. When BushCo attacks us again and say's "Well we don't need a congress or a senate it's not on our agenda" maybe he will remember this day. Their all ASSHOLES.

[Joanne98]

261. They take an oath to defend the Constitution. If they can't do that, they should resign!

[Tom Joad]

262. what do you expect of a loyal bushie?

[Forrest Greene]

266. Just As The Republicans Flushed The Christians

...when they were no longer of use, so too will the Democrats flush the Progressives.

"We are leaving, you don't need us."

[JNelson6563]

269. Asshole.

:grr:

[kelligesq]

274. Write Hoyer's Local Newspaper suggesting he be RECALLED for not

supporting the Constitution of the United States and
dereliction of duty.

That the democratic party is more important to him than the
Constitution of the United States.

That should get his attention pretty damn quick.

Where's he from?

[sarcasmo]

276. News Flash, Steny Hoyer has no Spin.

Maybe Cheney has photos of him with Jeff Gannon?