Bin Laden urges Europe to quit Afghanistan- (al Jazeera) TV

[sabra]

Source: Reuters

DUBAI, Nov 29 (Reuters) - Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden urged European countries to end their military participation with U.S. forces in the Afghan conflict, Al Jazeera television said om Thursday.

Jazeera aired portions of an audio tape in which a speaker who sounded like bin Laden said his Taliban allies had no knowledge of plans for the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, a main reason for the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan.

Read more: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L29923836.htm

[acmavm]

1. Ossie pops up again? This time only a audio tape? Why?

Did the embarrassment of the last fake tape embarrass somebody?

[rockybelt]

2. It's hard

to get a dead guy to talk and he doesn't televise well.

[mlevans]

3. Are you saying

that Dubyah hasn't even been able to catch a corpse?

[rockybelt]

4. He tries

but ol' OsamaBin keeps slipping through his fingers.
This S.O.B. don't want to catch BinLaden, he probably is using Blackwater to guard him.

[mlevans]

7. Credit where credit is due, friend.

he doesn't try. And never did.

[CJCRANE]

5. Reverse psychology.

Is it me or does Bin Laden spout Bush-Cheney talking points in reverse?

(Obviously it gives Bush an excuse to spout the exact opposite of Binnie).

[mlevans]

6. It's not just you.

All part of the master plan.

[rodeodance]

8. Bin Laden: Europeans should end US help (ap)

Bin Laden: Europeans should end US help

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071129/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bin_laden_tape;_ylt=As2YTI9fh7PXpbOM3Hi0i3Gs0NUE

By MAAMOUN YOUSSEF, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 27 minutes ago

CAIRO, Egypt - Al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden called on the Europeans to stop helping the United States in the war in Afghanistan, according to excerpts of a new audiotape broadcast Thursday on Al-Jazeera television.


Bin Laden said he was the "only one responsible" for the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and Washington, saying it was unjust for the United States to have invaded Afghanistan.

"The events of Manhattan were retaliation against the American-Israeli alliance's aggression against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, and I am the only one responsible for it. The Afghan people and government knew nothing about it. America knows that," he said.

"Europe went along with it (the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan) because they had no other alternative, only to be a follower," he said.

Bin Laden urged Europeans to pull away from the fight in Afghanistan.

"It is better for you to stand against your leaders who are dropping in on the White House, and to work seriously to lift the injustice against the believers," he said, accusing U.S. forces and their allies of intentionally killing women and children in Afghanistan.

[spinbaby]

9. "...sounded like bin Laden..."

And on the front of yahoo they refered to it as the "Alleged Bin Laden Tape." Methinks the emperor's clothes are beginning to slip a bit.

[Phoonzang]

10. A wondrous age we live in

where the dead can still communicate with us beyond the veil. :eyes:

[Bragi]

11. DU is so weird about Bin Laden and al Qaeda

I find it bizarre that every time there is a bin Laden tape released, a small band of DU posters immediately starts going on with great merriment about how he and al Qaeda are just fake creations of Karl Rove's imagination. While it is obvious that the Bushites do their best to ramp up fear of al Qaeda as a tactic, I don't see how this reality leads any sensible person to conclude either that al Qaeda doesn't exist, or that bin Laden is dead.

On al Qaeda, it certainly is not be the heirarchical, tightly-run organization that the Bushites pretend it to be, but there simply no doubt for anyone who has studied the literature about al Qaeda that it is a very real movement.

Similarly with bin Laden, there is no evidence whatsoever that he has been killed. Quite the contrary, I'd say. Had he been killed, and when and if he is finally killed, then there is no reason for the al Qaeda leadership to pretend that he is still alive, since he will be an even bigger figure for the jihadists after he is "martyred" by the Great Satan. They see no shame at all in being a martyr, so why would they hide his demise?

Anyway, I find the al Qaeda/bin Laden denialists here to be bizarre. Maybe one of you folks can explain the logic to me as to why al Qaeda leadership would a) not know if Osama was dead, and b) why they would hide his martyrdom once it does happen, since this will make him even more revered and inspiring for Muslims numbering literally, in the hundreds of millions.

- B

[Pastiche423]

14. Uh...

Osama bin Laden died in December 2001.

And not only did he not accept responsibility for the attacks on 9/11, the White Paper the world was promised from Colin Powell never materialized. Ergo, there is no proof that OBL was the mastermind of the attacks.

[ohio2007]

15. Despite a massive manhunt and a 25-million-dollar bounty on his head, bin Laden has evaded capture

I bet a few people are digging around in caves hoping to gather DNA samples from stains in the dirt.

The best reason he managed to evade capture is due to simple physics........
crushed under a millions tons of rock.


Now we have "a voice" boasting he took down the towers and killed Manhattan dwellers as revenge against the situation in the middle east.



....
"I am responsible" for the September 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington, the speaker said.

Qatar-based Al-Jazeera aired a head shot of a smiling bin Laden wearing a white headdress of the type used by Muslim fundamentalist clerics.

"The truth, as I said before, is that the Manhattan events were in retaliation for the killing of our kinfolk in Palestine and Lebanon by the US-Israeli alliance and that I am responsible for them," the voice said.
.....

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071129195601.pvee9eec&show_article=1

wonder how this latest faux tape sits with the truthers?
al Jazeera is a mouthpiece for bushco? ;)

[Pastiche423]

16. What does your post have to do w/the fact he is dead?

[ohio2007]

17. thats the $25 million dollar question isn't it

Are you upset he accepted responsibility for the 911 attacks ?

[Pastiche423]

18. He did not accept responsibility for the 9/11 attacks

Where did you get that?

[ohio2007]

21. You did'nt read the al Jazeera link ?

why not?

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79D8DF58-6E10-40BE-8E32-E485906623C9.htm

or this one;

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071129195601.pvee9eec&show_article=1

I'm sure the full "audio" text hasn't fuly been translated yet by the US MSM unless.... OBL is actually DOA and his #2 has it on the QT to keep a lid on the situation before his minions will split off and search for some new guru to follow.

[Pastiche423]

22. I asked for proof of OBL stating he was responsible for 9/11

and you repost this crap from today????

You have no proof. Just admit it.

[ohio2007]

28. the proof? you want the proof ? you can't handle the proof !

lol
what if the audio said he did not organize/authorize the attack on DC/NY ? thats what you wanted to hear.


Show me "the proof" he is alive. ( you dismiss the latest tape )Live shots of him holding up a NYTimes front page dated at least from 2006 ;)

You'll say the latest audio is proof he is alive
yet
do not believe "the crap" he stated in the audio. LMAO
can't have it both ways. T
tell you what, tell your truther buddies the latest claim that he did engineer the 911 attacks is PROOF he is dead. You have alll the proof you need bushco ordered flying robots to take over the planes and crash them into those target......
?
that's what you wanted to hear ?

eom

[Pastiche423]

30. No, all I wanted to hear

was whatever proof you have that he definately was responsible for the attacks.

This has nothing to do w/Truthers. They do not enter the equation.

[ohio2007]

32. you won't accept any proof especially since your preferred western MSM won't translate full text

of OBL's screeds (no money in it ) not to mention Arabic websites rarely provide decent translations into english. As for this current screed, it will take time to translate it if al Jazeera doesn't censor,edit or delete specifics they would consider wayyy to biased for western crusader infidel release


.... The full recording is yet to be released by an Islamist Web site which said on Monday it would carry it. Pro-al Qaeda militants have accused Al Jazeera of omitting important parts of the last bin Laden tape.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=524_1196368687


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b00_1189722502

[Pastiche423]

33. I don't listen to the "western MSM"

[Art_from_Ark]

23. "...retaliation for the killing of our kinfolk..."

Sounds like ol' OBL has been hiding in the mountains, all right-- the mountains of Kentucky or West Virginia.

So that begs the question-- is he a Hatfield, or a McCoy?

[Bragi]

19. You wrote:

Osama bin Laden died in December 2001.

I doubt that very much. For those who think it would be impossible for him to be alive because there is a $25 million bounty on his head, I disagree. He is likely well-fortified and untouchable in the mountains of north west Pakistan. There is nothing particularly implausible about that.

Alternately, if he was dead, then the top AQ people would know this, and would have no reason to pretend otherwise. They would simply celebrate him as a great martyr for the cause, just as they have with every other slain AQ leader. In the jihadist ideology, death in the cause of jihad is something to celebrate.

Then you write:

And not only did he not accept responsibility for the attacks on 9/11, the White Paper the world was promised from Colin Powell never materialized. Ergo, there is no proof that OBL was the mastermind of the attacks.

I agree that OBL did not initially accept responsibility. My view is that although the 9/11 attack was an AQ operation, OBL was not in fact directly in command of the 9/11 operation (which is logical given how AQ cells operate).

He did subsequently claim responsibility, however, and I think the reason for this is simple: the operation was spectacularly sucessful, and he naturally wanted to claim the credits where it mattered to him -- in the Muslim world -- which could (and did) boost the fortunes of AQ.

As for Colin Powell bot releasing a white paper, how does that prove anything?

- B

[Pastiche423]

20. Please supply proof in link form

where OBL claims he was responsible for the attacks. I have followed this intensely and have never seen any proof.

As far as the White Paper - this was promised shorty after the attacks. It was to show proof that it was OBL. It never happened and no other proof has been given to anyone in the world. Our government ordered the invasion of Afghanistan w/no proof whatsoever.

There is no proof at all that OBL was the mastermind of 9/11. NONE!

[rAVES]

25. Because he wasnt.. the only proof is a horribly bogus video with him writing with the wrong hand

and wearing gold jewelery.

[Pastiche423]

26. Thank you kindly

[Bragi]

29. What would do you consider "proof"

All we have to go with are statements by him claiming responsibility (not to mention the logic of the situation itself, but I'll leave that aside for now).

But if you think these statements are all produced by Karl Rove in a studio deep below the White House, I suspect those wouldn't work for you as proof, would they.

- B

[TheWatcher]

27. I'll give you credit where credit is due.

Some of you guys are getting better with your schtick.

"Small Band?"

You really are a card.

And if you really are this gullible despite the well-articulated nature of your post.

Please, just wake up.

[katty]

12. Live!! from the Al-Qaeda Cave Studios, Bin Laden speaks!

[ohio2007]

13. dead men talking....

"The voice appears to be that of bin Laden," the official said




"I am responsible" for the September 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington, the speaker said.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071129195601.pvee9eec&show_article=1



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMnlqkhxmS4

[rAVES]

24. He should really mention at this stage how Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul would be great for america..

Hell.. he's a left leaning Environmentalist at this stage.. why not..

[ohio2007]

31. Dutch troops to stay in Afghanistan until 2010: government

THE HAGUE (AFP) - Dutch troops will stay in Afghanistan with the multinational NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) for another two years until 2010, the government said Friday.


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/newsfull.php?newid=63035

That reply by the Dutch will get him spinning in his grave ;)