Hayden: Don't ban tough methods

[maddezmom]

Source: Wa Times

CIA Director Michael Hayden argued today in favor of permitting his agency to retain harsh interrogation techniques that are not spelled out in the latest Army field manual, which was revised in the fall of 2006 amid controversy over the handling of detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan.



Gen. Hayden, who was to testify behind closed doors to the Senate Intelligence Committee later today, said his agency would abide by any restrictions imposed by Congress. However, "the Army field manual does not exhaust the universe of lawful interrogation techniques," Gen. Hayden said in an interview with reporters and editors from The Washington Times.



Speaking in his sunlit office at CIA headquarters, the Air Force general who took over the agency 18 months ago also said he would tell the Intelligence Committee that his agency and other government intelligence services have made substantial progress in increasing the use of human agents in intelligence gathering. "I'm going in there with what I think is a good news story," he said.



"You would ask me to justify the numbers , but not because it is too small," he added. "It is in the thousands."



Read more: http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080311/NATION/276697013/1002

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sorry for the source didn't find it anywhere else

[Solly Mack]

1. shakes head

I'm so tired of this bullshit manufactured "debate" about torture

[fascisthunter]

2. What a Morbidly twisted and Disgusting Argument This Is

Torture does nothing but create much more animosity against the US and its forces. You can't rely on any intel gathered from using such techniques. People lie when they feel their lives are in jeopardy or when the pain is too much for their minds to handle. Torture in fact is used to break people till they are willing to admit to crimes they never even committed....


I'm tired of this freak show we have in Washington. As far as I'm conserved this country needs a massive uprising... we have a fucking mafia for a government making back room deals, spying on innocent folks while crimes by this fascistic administration goes by the way side, because some privileged snob decdes her political career was much more important than the country itself.

[saigon68]

13. Mo Fo Hayden is a war criminal

I'd like to see someone get a hold of that weasel and waterboard his sorry ass

[fascisthunter]

15. He wouldn't last 5 seconds...

Who was it that actually allowed himself to be waterboarded then resigned? I know he was a Bush appointee.... As dumb as that person was, at least he had the balls to try it on himself....


but to have to try it to understand? Dense....

[bdamomma]

19. alot more of his cronies should join him also

if they do not think this technique is not torture, torture is immoral and illegal.

[ixion]

3. there is nothing to ban... THEY ARE ALREADY ILLEGAL

geez, I don't know how many times we have to keep saying that.

[merh]

14. There is a federal statute prohibiting torture - those that do it and those that order it

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 113C > § 2340

§ 2340. Definitions

As used in this chapter—
(1) “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;
(2) “severe mental pain or suffering” means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from—
(A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;
(B) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality;
(C) the threat of imminent death; or
(D) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality; and
(3) “United States” means the several States of the United States, the District of Columbia, and the commonwealths, territories, and possessions of the United States.

Someone should give Hayden a copy of the US Code on this

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 113C > § 2340A

§ 2340A. Torture

(a) Offense.— Whoever outside the United States commits or attempts to commit torture shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both, and if death results to any person from conduct prohibited by this subsection, shall be punished by death or imprisoned for any term of years or for life.

[ixion]

16. and don't forget the Geneva Conventions

which categorically prohibits torture, and to which the US is bound.

[bdamomma]

20. they continue to re write the laws, and commit illegal acts.

these thugs are out right criminals, they need to be thrown out.

[rcsl1998]

4. Remove The Orwell - 'Hayden: Don't Ban Torture'

I can't possibly imagine there will be any blowback from this :eyes:

[IntravenousDemilo]

5. Aside from the living hell visited upon those being tortured, can you imagine...

...what it must do to soldiers, many of them kids just out of high-school, when they are ordered to take part in torture? How this must twist young, still impressionable minds! These are violent, disturbing scenes that will turn into indelible, lifelong memories fraught with guilt. This conditioning is not the kind of thing young people need to be subjected to. What kind of sad, broken monsters are being created even as we speak?

[Karenina]

6. Ones who will return to YOUR communities

battered, twisted and ANGRY.

[IntravenousDemilo]

7. Exactly! n/m

[Zorra]

8. Maybe they'll bring back crucifixion. n/t

[happygoluckytoyou]

9. JAYWALKING NOW PUNISHABLE BY NUTS-ECOMY

ANY reason for allowing torture lowers who we are

[LynnTheDem]

10. TORTURE IS GOOD!!!

When WE do it!!!

Says Hayden.

When AMERICANS are TORTURED via WATERBOARDING, SUCK IT THE FUCK UP, America!

[pleah]

11. All right Hayden, you're next!

:evilgrin:

[H8fascistcons]

12. Michael Hayden...POS

Nuff said...

Now please, please do not forget who is enabling these criminal Fascist republicans to continue committing these crimes and destroy our constitution. The criminal Fascist enablers are Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reed, Rahn Emanuel, Steny Hoyer, Jay Rockefeller... Never forget until these criminal Democrats are voted from office!! They do not get to pick and choose which crimes against the constitution to ignore...

[WillParkinson]

17. It's funny...

If people said that the United States was their enemy and was hellbent on destroying their way of life and felt it necessary to torture US citizens to get information we'd call them barbaric and uncivilized. Yet when we do it, it's OK. Very odd.

[Hugabear]

18. Methinks our military is too far gone...

This rot has entrenched itself in our military. Our generals feel this way, they pass it on to their officers, who pass it on to their NCO's, who pass it on to their soldiers. The soldiers then take this out on the civilian population.

It's time to break this cycle. We need a thorough cleansing of our military.