Evangelicals rally behind Palin after pregnancy news

[NeoConsSuck]

Source: CNN.COM

Key evangelical leaders rallied to Sarah Palin's support Monday amid news that her 17-year-old daughter, Bristol, was having a child.

"Before, they were excited about her, with the Down syndrome baby," conservative, anti-tax activist Grover Norquist said. "But now with this, they are over the moon. It reinforces the fact that this family lives its pro-life values."

Palin and John McCain oppose abortion and have supported promoting abstinence in schools, which would seem to make Bristol Palin's pregnancy an inconveniently timed development.

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The immediate support of these major figures, who offered universal praise for the Palins' actions after learning their daughter was pregnant, provides the filter through which conservative Christian voters will process the development.



Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/palin.evangelicals/index.html

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Well, I guess we lose the evangelical vote :)

[liberalmuse]

1. This is messed up:

"Before, they were excited about her, with the Down syndrome baby," conservative, anti-tax activist Grover Norquist said. "But now with this, they are over the moon. It reinforces the fact that this family lives its pro-life values."

Fucking ghouls.

[susanna]

4. Glad it wasn't just me that thought that was a repulsive statement. n/t

[liberalhistorian]

11. They wouldn't be so over the fucking moon

if it were a Democrat, believe you me. They'd immediately start ranting and raving about how "perverse librul values" have corrupted everything, what kind of parents would allow their teenage daughters to have sex or not know she was having sex, the librul media has ruined everything, what a horrible example she's setting for other girls, yaddayaddablahblahblah. They'd also be ranting about how she should be staying home with her children and not out galivanting all over the place, yaddayaddablahblahblah. But, of course, she's a republican, so that makes all the difference.

Remember how they went nuts over Jamie Lynn Spears and said those exact same things? So I'm not getting what the difference here is, except for her being a theocrat and republican.

[DBoon]

65. remember Dan Quayle and Murphy Brown?

and that was a fictional character!

[VoodooGuru]

24. What a loathsome being.

What do you expect from a guy who compared taxes to the Holocaust, though?

[saigon68]

25. Guess He likes to play

Hide the Kielbasa

[WillParkinson]

47. Eh?

What's that supposed to mean?

[bemildred]

60. "Hide the kielbasa" is a reference to sex.

Also referenced as "hide the salami" etc.

[WillParkinson]

64. Yeah, I got that. Just not sure why it was said.

Funny how it usually references to gay sex. Some Democrats seem just as hung up on it as some Republicans.

[Quantess]

67. "Hide the kielbasa" is a "weiner" joke. Gay or straight is not specified, however.

I mean, why would "hide the kielbasa" mean gay sex as opposed to straight sex? It doesn't.

[WillParkinson]

68. And exactly what...

Does the reference entail then? The comment makes no logical sense in regards to anything that I can see.

And if I'm mistaken I do apologize, but I never hear the reference unless it somehow involves "gay" as the issue.

[Bake]

44. They're just trying to spin it any way they can.

Palin is a disaster for the Pukes (and a GIFT for us!!).

Bake

[HawkerHurricane]

2. McCain could perform a human sacrifice on the White House Lawn...

and the evangilicals would vote for him, claiming he had "Strong Religious Values".

Meanwhile, Senator Obama could walk on water and they'd mock him for being unable to swim.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. Can you imagine the reaction if a teenaged daughter of Obama or Biden

turned up pregnant? Coulter and Limbaugh and all the conservative ranters would condemn such bad parenting and immorality, which are the result of godless liberal ideology.

[rwheeler31]

5. The goofy people vote. by by

[Wilber_Stool]

6. They'ed rally behind her even if she

ate that baby on national television.

[scarface2004]

7. they would rally behind her..

if she took a coat hanger to her daughter, trashed the fetus, poured gasoline on her and torched her!

[DUlover2909]

10. I don't know about that....

kinda extreme.

[skoalyman]

63. yes I'd agree they would probably need Xanax after something that evil

:scared:

[kayell]

71. The bible sanctions burning as a penalty for fornication

and Palin is a bible literalist.

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Lucky Bristol that mom went into politics rather than preaching.

[dbonds]

8. Do they rally around Britney Spears sister also?

Or how about that school where it was claim there was a baby-pack?

[napi21]

9. The RW leaders may be spouting this stuff, but I'm not all that convinced

that the solid evangelical extremists will do so! They will support the daughter for not aborting the baby, but they're really pretty strong on the anti-sex before marriage thing. Again the leaders and the media is pushing this story, but the strong single issue voters aren't necessarily on board.

[MichaelHarris]

12. What do you expect,

these people would Swiftboat Jesus if he ran as a Dem.

[Cheap_Trick]

13. If these whackjobs are over the moon

why don't they just keep on going, and don't stop until they hit Uranus...or Theiranus...

[JeanGrey]

14. I hate to say I told you so,

but I did.

[Fenris]

15. It doesn't matter. McCain doesn't need more right-wing votes.

This scandal is not going to do much to impress independent voters. The AIP association and further clarification on her relentless opposition to abortion will show her to be a dangerous, inexperienced extremist. McCain will probably stick with her because that's what he does, even when doing so is illogical or even suicidal.

[Hulk]

16. They are all goofy nuts anyway....everyone that I know. They are either psycho or they wise up...

and come around to being normal and ashamed of their stupidity later on.

I have friends and family members that fit this "evangelical" bill. Talk about nut cases!! And we think the Muslim radicals are scary. Watch out for these idiots.

[LynnTheDem]

17. "pro life values"... and of course, pro death penalty. And pregnant teenagers.

Unmarried pregnant teenagers.

:eyes:

[diamidue]

18. pro-life

except when it comes to Iraqi women and children. Nothing wrong, evidently, with blowing the limbs off a few hundred thousand of them in the name of Jesus and GWB.

[atjrpsych]

19. This is getting kind of weird

I don't understand their contradiction on role models and family values. Pick a line and stick with it.

[slackmaster]

59. Welcome to DU - Here is a link to an unusual post that might help you understand their POV a little

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6883247&mesg_id=6883247

[libodem]

20. Aren't these the adoption fanatics?

Isn't that the only 'right' thing for a young girl to do?

[madrchsod]

21. ya.... marry her off to a 18yr old that does`t want kids

dumb fucking "christians"...they would have her marry hitler if it suited their purpose. it`s all about them not this girl or the baby`s dad.

norquist and his buddies ain`t getting into heaven...i`ll help st peter kick there asses down to hell

[Wednesdays]

22. IOKIYAR

If any event in history ever supported that acronym, this is it.

[mnhtnbb]

23. Of course they're over the moon. The purpose of women is making babies.

Bristol Palin's parents are making sure she gets an early start on her purpose in life.

[Dick Seepenz]

33. What if Gov. Palin gets pregnant HERSELF in office as VP? who cares about the daughter!

-forget her daughter--
What if Palin as VP scores herself another hit?
CAN you imagine us having a PREGNANT VP?
And what if McCain gets ill?
A PREGNANT PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!
WOW!! talk about an image for the Republican Party!
She just had one so she doesn't seem to opposed to having them lately.
********
And how the hell is she going to take care of her new 5 month old?
******** much less help with her daughters newborn ? WTF?
Sounds like a case of "bad judgment" for both her and for McPain
*******
It's hard enough to have a hard job when you are not in the" child bearing" phase of your life.

************

[Still Sensible]

26. Reaction Might be Generational

I suspect that the reaction among undecideds and independents will break along generation lines. Of course among the real kool-aid drinkers it won't matter because their ticket talks the talk... but others I expect will be more forgiving the younger they are. Those folks in the AARP age bracket are probably more locked into the morality of the 40s and 50s when this was just not acceptable... the children of the sixties could break fifty-fifty and those younger will probably be more accepting.

I agree that the spin being put out by the James Dobsons of the world will not necessarily have much effect. The people susceptible to that point of view are voting for that ticket anyway.

Of course, if our side allows itself to be painted as victimizing Palin or her daughter (which you know the right will try to do), the equation could shift substantially.

[pampango]

51. Interesting take. I do think that how independents view this and how we deal with it

is very important. None of us were going to vote for McCain anyway and none of the repubs were going to vote for Obama. This may do something to turnout among Democratic or repub voters, but the main effect will be how it affects the votes of independents.

Will more independents share our view this as representative of conservative hypocrisy and bad parenting? Or will they look at it as a "bad things happen to good people" kind of thing that is personal and that may also remind them of things that have happened in their own family?

[Solly Mack]

27. well, duh....of course they would

Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-01-08 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. It wouldn't. She's going to carry to term..and she's marrying the father
so they're satisfied she took the proper course of action.

She's not aborting and she's not desiring to raise the kid herself....all things they would damn her for

and Palin looks even more the pro-life darling because her child's "unwed" teenage pregnancy is being sanctified through birth and marriage



and noting that one of Palin's religious right wing reagan loving vetters is coming out from behind the scenes now (Grover Norquist)

[FVZA_Colonel]

28. They're hypocrites, but we all knew that.

Like they'd actually spoil their chances at more political power by condemning Bristol as a harlot like they do every other teenage mother.

[progressivebydesign]

29. Yeah, values that force a young girl to marry far too young...

.. to someone that would have been nothing more than one in a series of teen boyfriends that all girls will have in their young adulthood. Judging from the info surrounding the boy and his friends and family, he is NOT ready to be married or even a father. What is WRONG with these people? Forcing teens to get married (as if they'd have gotten married if this was not in the media like this.) You don't force a child to marry another high school senior just to appease the religious wingnuts.

What an awful family... truly.

[Stern21]

30. They would ralley around Pol Pot if he said he was against choice.

[sutz12]

31. Look at the bright side....

at least this martyr is a lot easier to look at than most of the ones they give us.

:)

[wolfgangmo]

38. Beauty is only skin deep, but...

... the kind of ugliness that Palin represents is bone deep.

[Quantess]

32. Weirdos.

Yeah, it's so wonderful Bristol or her boyfriend were never taught about birth control. :crazy:

Those are some seriously screwed up people.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

34. Palin endangered her life as well as that of her unborn fetus

by allowing a stupid speech to take precedence over proper medical care when she began leaking amniotic fluid.

THEN, instead of checking into the nearest Texas hospital, she chose to add further risk to the recipe by flying home to Alaska to have the baby.

What do the culture of "life" folks think about that?

[wolfgangmo]

39. She WANTED that "child" to die ...

... while in flight so that she could have sympathy and plausible deniability.

There is no other explanation that is close is rational. It's sick.

[hamsterjill]

74. This is correct. I truly believe.

It was a case in her warped mind of "let is be god's will"...

This woman is very scary.

[knitter4democracy]

35. Which evangelicals? The ones I know aren't going to be happy about this.

Sure, they're pressuring her to get married and keep the baby, but who was helping Bristol and keeping her from sleeping with the guy in the first place? First we hear how Palin risked her and her baby's life for a political stunt and now this?! I don't know a whole lot of evangelicals who are going to be okay with that. Screw the "leadership" (those guys don't have as much power as many seem to think--it's not like they're popes or anything), what's the rank-and-file saying?

[bdamomma]

36. Norquist what a POS he is.

pump out those babies no matter what. God, I hate these people.

[The Stranger]

37. Teenage unmarried sex is "Pro-Life Values"?

[KansDem]

40. I'm sure Evangelicals would've rallied behind an pregnant, unmarried Chelsea...

...or a pregnant, unmarried Amy. :sarcasm:

Christofascists are f*cking hyprocrites...:grr:

[Blue_Tires]

41. i though according to fundies, a down syndrome kid was a sign

of god's punishment for sin??

[ChairmanAgnostic]

42. having unwed preggers 16-17 yr old is a family value?

what the fuck?

[kwolf68]

45. They will use this

Pregnancy...it will do the following

-Show the wonderful decision to have 'chosen life'
-Show the Palins are like most American families..dysfunctional and otherwise fucked up
-Give the Repukes fodder as Democrats challenge the hypocrisy of opposing sex ed while promoting abstinence only education, the right wing media echo chamber can then transfer that legitimate question into a 'vicious attack on a women and her mother', in other words, ready-made propaganda
-Since this type of thing equates to tabloid news, the other more serious issues (her stands on choice, science, confederacy) will be pushed to the back burner and no serious discussions will take place as he prattle on about her kid.

This issue will be effectively used by the right to not only showcase their one major fringe issue (abortion), but can also be used to shine the Dems in a negative light.

[krabigirl]

43. Over the moon? What would they be saying if this was one of Obama or Biden's daughters?

[fascisthunter]

46. anti-choicers.... there is nothing "pro-life" about them

remember DUers... language does matter.

[daggahead]

48. Friggin Hypocrites

Noun
hypocrite - a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives

[zanne]

49. Gee....They must have missed the Father/Daughter Chastity Ball. nt

[zanne]

50. dupe

[guitar man]

52. "Evangelicals cheer 17 year old having unprotected sex"

there, fixed the headline ;)

[guitar man]

53. dupe

delete

[AzDar]

54. Excited about a 17-year-old who has ruined her life? Nice.

These assclowns were NEVER going to vote for Obama, anyway. Not even if Jeebus descended from heaven and pleaded with them.

[MadrasT]

55. Hypocritical motherfuckers. How dare they. n/t

[CanonRay]

56. Imagine if that had been Chelsea, eleven years ago

OMFG

[AngryOldDem]

58. Shit, remember Rush Limbaugh back in '92? 'Nuff said.

[AngryOldDem]

57. To them, that's all that matters.

I've read some posts on other sites that say this alone proves that Palin is fit to lead.

I should really make a compendium of the "wisdom" that is floating around out there. Most of it is downright frightening.

[bamacrat]

61. This is the most hypocritical thing I have heard, so it fits with Evangelicals.

If it were ANY OTHER PERSON's child, they would be labeled as bad parents and their whore children would be damned to hell. but since its McLames VP pick its ok, its something that happens. Why don't the Evangelicals show this type of compasssion for the other 6.6 billion people in the world.

[cmutt]

62. Please God, let this baby be black.

I swear I won't ask anything else for Christmas

[MetaTrope]

66. Soon we'll be hearing that it was an immaculate conception

and the baby will be Christ Reborn.

[sakabatou]

69. I thought evangelicals were against "lust-ridden" teens...

what gives?

[Bo]

70. ...she is a creationist idiot as well right?

...need we say more

[Nihil]

72. Wonder how they'd respond to this ...?

http://newsbiscuit.com/article/sarah-palin-admits-son-is-islamic-terrorist-360

:evilgrin:

[hatrack]

73. If your daughters have functioning ovaries, you'll have 110% of OUR support!!!

USA!! USA!! USA!! USA!!