Impeach President Bush now, says Dennis Kucinich

[sabra]

Source: LA Times

One day before the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, Rep. Dennis Kucinich is presenting a petition to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi with 50,000 signatures urging the impeachment of President Bush -- adding to the 100,000 he has already filed.

Calling the Bush administration's military response to 9/11 "errant retributive justice," the Ohio Democrat called for a Commission on Truth and Reconciliation to "compel testimony and gather official documents" on why the Bush administration went to war in Iraq. In advance of a news conference today with grass-roots organizations lobbying Congress on the issue, Kucinich said:

Impeachment has been the first step in our efforts toward truth. The American people were lied to. We went to war based on lies. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. ...

In the face of a destructive war against Iraq, preparations for war against Iran, the initiation of a cold war with Russia, the inevitable destruction of our domestic economy from the extraordinary cost of a great military buildup, and the gutting of civil liberties, the call for impeachment has been the only remedy. Millions of Americans recognize this.


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[kestrel91316]

1. I love you, Dennis, but you are tilting at windmills. It will never happen.

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. At least he tries. More than we can say for most of our "representatives"

[kestrel91316]

4. I know. And I admire him for NEVER giving up and NEVER giving in.

[ohio2007]

57. steel valley commons is in the tenth district

Got on his soap box and promised the $$ mini mill steel jobs are here to stay but,

the mills were torn down, replaced by a Wal-Mart and other box stores.
Now do you want your paycheck in dollars and cents or in Wal-Mart merchandise ?

:sarcasm:

Rust belt rip.

Hey,
AT least the air quality has returned and the EPA stopped taxing people in the county for automobile E-check tests.

yay


truth

he's gotta start bringing home the bacon like a sr congressman is supposed to do.

[JDPriestly]

74. You need to talk to your local government about the economic

problems in your district. Kucinich cannot give industry the tax breaks that cause them to establish themselves in your area. That's a local government issue.

You need job development, local development. Your congressman can only do so much. City Hall has to get busy.

[man4allcats]

5. Although as I see it, the point now is that

making the case for impeachment even at this seemingly late date makes sense. Biden has already said he will pursue justice against Bushco if they are found to have committed crimes. If we actually manage to win this thing, the more people we have on board for going after Bush, the greater the pressure will be on Biden to make good on his promise. Of course we all know Bushco is in it up to their criminal necks, but in politics it always seems to be a question of having enough heat to burn the bastards. The more that sign on now, the better for us and the cause. Of course there is also this argument from those good folks who believe that Impeach Now! means just exactly what it says.

[pat_k]

25. Actually, chances of making impeachment a reality may be better. . .

. . . now than ever.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3961601&mesg_id=3965026

[sorval]

40. tilting at windmills = making Pelosi WEAR IT

I don't think it's even about Bush anymore-- its about making Nancy Pelosi cover for Bush often, so no one forgets she's doing it.
Pelosi will hamper any process that holds Bush accountable, because it means holding her accountable as well. She's part of "the problem."

[DissedByBush]

42. We know it's useless, but it's inspirational n/t

[OKthatsIT]

94. Nothing about REOPENING this investigation is useless.

WE NEVER GOT JUSTICE!

[DissedByBush]

96. We never got justice

And we never will. The Democratic leadership won't allow it, and if the Republicans win they definitely won't.

[JDPriestly]

73. He has written history. His articles of impeachment are in the

Congressional Record for all the world to see. At least one man had the courage to speak up before it was too late.

[paparush]

92. He'll live with a clearer conscience that he's trying to create justice.

He's leading by example.

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[frylock]

6. piss up a rope, fuckstain..

enjoy your stay.

[L. Coyote]

69. Poof!

Another troll bites the dust.

[mikelgb]

7. .

[GreenPartyVoter]

8. Right. We should stay quiet about crimes so as not to get the criminals all riled up

:eyes:

[Liberalatus]

10. /agree

Wait until after the election, then throw them in jail. Or watch them hang like Saddam. (Sorry)

[pat_k]

26. With the failure of the "let's all get along with war criminals" strategy. . .

. . .our chances of making impeachment a reality may be better than ever.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3961601&mesg_id=3965026

[bobd0]

11. Thanks for sharing your opinion on impeachment once again, Nancy

Now go do what Frylock told you to do. :)

[bjobotts]

89. We know the damning evidence already convicts Bush/Cheney, so

[bjobotts]

90. so we need to jump right to penalties. Confiscation of all holdings and immediate imprisonment

[bjobotts]

91. Pelosi has gone out of her way to block impeachment even if ALL Ameircans demanded it

[CitizenPatriot]

12. why?

why would they get angry? most of the country hates bush and knows he is a criminal who put us in harm's way.

why would republicans want to protect criminals in their party? maybe I don't get it, but Dems don't follow in step like that.

[kenfrequed]

13. Uhm

That "kook" has a hell of a lot more guts than most congressmen. At least he cares about our form of government and the constitution.

Though they are almost absurdly heinous, the crimes of this administration are bigger than this administration and the effects of doing nothing in the face of a humongously powerful executive is a threat to our democratic form of government.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

14. Maybe they care about as much about rethuglicans getting angry

as rethuglicans have cared for the last 20 years about what Democrats think about anything, even if it's ultimately for the good of rethuglicans as well as the rest of the world.

[lonestarnot]

15. Do you have any spaghetti?

You may want to try wearing it!

[Doremus]

19. Bye bye asswipe.

[Wizard777]

9. Impeach away! Go Dennis!

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[Lost4words]

18. you dont support the rule of law, how kookie is that?

lend me your comb!

try to figure that one out.

8643

[snappyturtle]

21. Well just think ....we might pick up a few repub votes! I believe the Democrats

have missed an opportunity to garner more of the vote by not impeaching.

[Mithreal]

27. When Bush's crimes become evident to everyone Republicans will blame

Democrats for allowing the crimes to occur under the D's watch.

"If they won't stand up to Republicans then who will they stand up against." I do not 100% agree with that statement but I understand how some people would accept it as fact. I see how the R's will spin, certainly the Democratic leadership does as well?

Next time the R's have a chance to destroy America and get caught doing it look for a carefully groomed "maverick" to step in and continue the tyranny just like we see today.

[RoccoR5955]

17. Impeach all of Bushco, Inc. Then lock them up and throw away the key!

Then people would see that the Dems MEAN BUSINESS!
It would get out TONS of voters, and we would win in a total landslide!
It would motivate Democratic voters, as well as Republic party voters, and there are more Democratic voters, so we win!!!!!!!!!
They couldn't steal a turnout so big!

They are criminals, so they belong in jail!

Wait till after the election, and Bush will be in Paraguay, where his daughter bought land. He'll setup a ranch down there with Cheney, and run their criminal operations in the US. Better for them to go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect $200!

[cobalt1999]

20. His heart in the right place, alas, his brain is off near Pluto.

We are approximately 60 days to an important election and he want to polarize the nation?

Right now when republicans are fleeing the party and crossing over to vote for Obama, and he wants to fire them up with defending Bush? Bush would love it right now.

Go after him after the election, doing it now would be stupid and counterproductive.

[Mithreal]

29. Uhm, what you said sounds ridiculous

The nation is already polarized.

Bush is the R's pinata. He knows it, they know it. The real threat to America is 25+ years of conservative policies. Bush is a convenient scapegoat. Even he is smart enough to know that.

Pointing out the criminality of Republican rule and being a voice in the wilderness for the Constitution, no one who knows what has been happening can say that there were zero Democrats fighting Bushco.

So, NO, I do not agree with you.

If you want to talk about low information voters or independents who haven't been paying attention to what has been going on, they wouldn't even notice Bush being impeached. Think the corpomedia is going to cover an R impeachment?

[cobalt1999]

32. Maybe.

I still believe an attempt this close to the election would galvanize the republicans around Bush instead of being embarrassed by him.

The Democrats should have gone after him over a year ago or now wait until after the election. There is no way impeachment proceedings would be complete by the time he is out of office now anyway.

Why chance making him look like a martyr now? He can be dealt with soon enough.

[Mithreal]

35. The base is already galvanized, haven't you noticed the response

to Palin.

Both sides want to beat up on Bush. Don't believe it? Go talk to your neighbors, I have been doorbelling a lot the last few months, even 4 of the last 7 days. Many people are near apologizing for their Bush votes.

Now we have a self-styled "maverick" who wants to separate himself from Bush and it appears he is succeeding.

There are reasons why Democrats are not supporting impeachment and I do not believe their official explanations.

[cobalt1999]

37. Palin shows the base wasn't galvanized; nor is it totally galvanized now.

Like you said, "Many people are near apologizing for their Bush votes". Those folks haven't been galvanized by Palin. Why give them a reason to be defensive of Bush?

He's not leaving office by impeachment this close to the end of his term, so either way, we'll have to deal with him once he is out of office. Therefore, there is no benefit to starting impeachment now, but there is a potentially large risk.

[Mithreal]

48. I may not have been clear enough, there is a enormously large difference

in my conversations with Republican base and independents. The independents don't defend Bush. Why do you think that independents and right-leaners would want to defend Bush?

If we were just discussing the Bush base then I would agree with you but I am not in either case.

I know what independents are saying about Democrats, I have often defended Democrats to them, but I cannot defend the lack of support for impeachment to them if the conversation flows in that direction.

I am totally baffled by some of your comments but not sure you see the difference between I's and R's response to an impeachment. Perhaps you can look at the historical record?

[cobalt1999]

50. Many of those I's until recently used to be R's.

They are I's NOW.

I just suspect that is the primary reason nothing is being done by the Democratic Leadership. We're both weighing the risk/reward and reading the tea leaves the same way.

If this election stays close, or Obama ever starts dropping in the polls, then they should pull out all the stops immediately.

[Mithreal]

55. They are pulling out the stops now

Obama is releasing the independent groups to counter-attack-ad McSame.

Sorry, I cannot respect the kind of caution that says ignore crimes because it may cost us a vote.

[pat_k]

36. "Go after him after the election" ?? After giving the stamp of approval to torture and

. . .rule by signing statement?

After running on ass-kicking messages like:

"Bush is right! There are no crimes. There is no Torture."

"Republicans are too strong! They won't submit to us."

"Stop asking us to Do Things! We can't! We're impotent!"

As long as Democrats oppose impeachment they are partners in the Republican slap-down of the countless Americans -- the scholars, government officials, military officers, public figures, and ordinary citizens -- who have been sounding the alarm and demanding justice.

They are opposing the people who are fighting for the most basic moral tenets on which our nation is founded.

The way to UNITE Americans is to "divide" the defenders of American Principle from the defenders of Fascist Principle.

The way to UNITE Americans is to fight for People's Government and the Constitution.

The way to UNITE Americans is to give voice to the outrage that sweep Democrats into control of Congress.

Obama is in trouble. The nation is united in rejection of Bush. The fact that a quasi-fascist follower of bushncheneyism like McCain is even within striking distance, much less neck and neck, demonstrates the utter failure of the "let's all get along with war criminals" strategery.

Fortunately, impeachophobia is Curable.

Democrats are "hitting bottom" -- it's time for a serious http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3961601&mesg_id=3965026">Intervention.

[cobalt1999]

38. I think they should have started impeachment over a year ago.

We are approx. 60 days until the election, no way they impeach him in that short of a time window.

Either way we will have to deal with him after the election, even if the Democrats started tomorrow.

[pat_k]

47. The charges are well-known. Bush and Cheney have offered their. . .

. . Un-American and Unconstitutional defense ("The American Presidency can break the law at will to 'protect the nation.'")

All that remains is to send Articles to the floor and force an "up or down vote" on torture and rule by signing statement.

Obama simply needs to call on the House to impeach to http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3479564&mesg_id=3481805">completely transform the dynamics. He could transform "the message" from one of surrender to one of REAL Hope and REAL Change.

The case is so simple, even our long-winded Reps. would have trouble dragging out hearings for more than a week or two.

Impeachment itself could be wrapped up in a week -- and the 110th Congress has something like 17 weeks. (Not to mention the 3 weeks the 111th will have before the 44th President takes the oath.)


http://talkingimpeachment.com

[kayell]

43. Impeachment would get all the lies and all the evidence out there in the public eye

How exactly could that hurt us? Sure we'll still not get the 30%, but Jesus could step out a pearly pink cloud and tell everyone to vote for Obama, and we still wouldn't get that 30%.

[cobalt1999]

46. It's not the hard core 30%; it's the typical republican voter 10%

Right now, we've about got that group convinced to defect.

Yes, impeachment proceedings would get information out there, but would also be met with a huge amount of spin and attacks on the Democrats.

So, either all of that locks in that next 10% or causes them to scurry back to the republican party. IMHO, we've already got the 10% leaning towards Obama, so why risk it? Others seem to think Impeachment will bring in that 10% or more.

I suspect the Democratic leadership is reading the tea leaves like I am though.

[kayell]

49. Like they're not already fully commited to a "huge amount of spin and attacks"

At some point (witness the lipstick debacle) people recognize spin and attacks for what they are. I think the repukes are already up on the limit.

[cobalt1999]

52. Never underestimate the Republican limit for spin.

You make a good case. Like I said, it's just my opinion and gut feeling.

[Mithreal]

62. Unnecessary to rely on gut feelings, look at historical record

When impeachment has occurred, who is the winner in the next election? I understand that to have been the impeaching party each time. What makes you and Democratic leadership think that history will make an exception for Bush?

[Mithreal]

54. I agree 100%. Doesn't matter what Dems do, R's will spin it ugly. nt

[Mithreal]

51. The US is the Titanic

Many old guard R types already support Obama because Democrats offer hope to our nation. Not sure you understand why some former R's are with us and not against us. The ship is sinking and most R's are not willing to go down with Bush even if D's get a spine and blame him for hitting the icebergs.

Ultimately I want justice and I do not understand why a single Democrat would argue against protecting our Constitution.

Presidents have a habit recently of "forgiving" the crimes of previous Presidents and then using the new powers the lawbreakers stole as precedent.

[BumRushDaShow]

22. YAY Dennis!

A man with a mission! :applause:

At least it will go down in the (Congressional) record that someone made the attempt to rectify the egregious violations of the Constitution!

[downindixie]

23. If we really want to prosecute bush

It won't happen if we don't win this election.Why do you think the repukes are pulling out everything to throw at Obama.Their lies are so obvious,yet msm is having a ball with them!

[fascisthunter]

24. Dennis Kucinich is a Good Man and a True Patriot

[Mithreal]

30. Damn straight. nt

[glinda]

66. Elfen

He is starting to look attractive to me. His little elfin ears and cute crooked smile.

[Mithreal]

85. Rather look elfen then ogre-ish : )

Republicans put up an ogre looking b*****d who was totally unqualified, can you name him.

At least Kucinich is qualified and ready to lead. Can't be elected to higher office though because he doesn't eat red meat, right. Damn shame the media needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.

[kmdemqueen]

28. Big round of applause

I must of missed that petition.:bounce:

[Independent_Liberal]

31. Kucinich has my support!

I'm with him 100% of the way.

:patriot:

[jeff30997]

33. K&R

Go for it Mr.Kucinich!

[NorthCarolina]

34. Kucinich really is "America's Congressman"

undeniably one of the best things to come out of Ohio that positively affects the entire nation.

Go Dennis :yourock:

[valerief]

39. K&R

[ticked]

41. and this ofcourse will go nowhere

cause it's quite apparent after all these years that BushCo. has gotten away with....well..murder

[Independent_Liberal]

76. As it would appear, but...

...as pat_k has said, we have the momentum ball rolling. Now is not the time to retreat.

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[krabigirl]

45. Yeah!! Wake up America!!!

[margotb822]

59. I LOVED that speech!

Up With Peace! Up with America!!

[ohio2007]

53. Theres an idea ! I'm sure the tenth district is fully behind him

One local radio station asked Dennis ; " Are you done running for president?' How about bringing some pork back to the district.' ?"


Kucinich hung up.

DK will win reelection this november and in 2012 if Obama doesn't win, ..... ;) he will hit the campaign trail in 2011.

jmo

[Nihil]

81. Typical

Dumb shits believe that there is nothing wrong in illegal wars,
state terrorism, corruption or murder and simply think that a
politician's job is "bringing some pork back to the district".

Screw "the tenth district" if that's their level of intelligence.

[Senator]

56. Only Impeachment Can Help Obama

The treadmill of the trivialities isn't going to stop just because the lipstick runs out.

The years-long "off the table" strategery is demonstrably failing. The worst environment for repubs in history is being squandered.

Only impeachment can "move the game" and make Obama appear not to be cowering.

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[Mithreal]

58. Only impeachment can save the Republic

from future Presidents who would be tyrants.

Think Bush is going to be our worst President ever? No way.

Bush may be the winner of worst President in history but I will never underestimate the Republican's ability to put forth unqualified candidates.

[Baby Snooks]

60. If there were 1,500,000 signatures, it wouldn't matter....

The Empress declared impeachment was off the table. She serves the Emperor. Hope the voters in San Francisco remember that in November.

[zyguh]

65. The important reason too impeach

A president cant issue pardons to cover up crimes he might have been involved in. If the Impeachment investigation is ongoing, then on the last day of office Bush won't be able to issue pardons to Cheney, Rove, Rumsfield, Gonzalas, etc. for "any crimes they may have committed".

If he isnt Impeached, then he will.....he will pardon them all using that blanket pardon language Ford used for Nixon. Then they all get away and there is nothing that can be done.

So the reason to Impeach Bush and Cheney, (other than the fact they are criminals and SHOULD be Impeached for their crimes)is to make sure that there can be no blanket pardons for anyone in his administration. If Impeachment is ongoing on their last day of office, they can be brought to justice in the next administration. If Impeachment isnt going on, then the pardons are going to happen, and all the criminals get away.

[L. Coyote]

71. Great points. Timing is everything in this scenario.

I want Congres to stay in session until every subpoena is answered, in addition to impeaching.

[wildbilln864]

61. We have to find a way....

to remove Pelosi as an obstacle IMO. She puts her politics above the interests of the people.

[superconnected]

63. handing it to Pelosi is like handing to Bush. Anway, Thanks you Dennis!

Even it it's unlikely to happen, you are right.

[Broadslidin]

64. Just stop it Dennis. Today's Amurikans can only comprehend sleazy 'sex' scandals.

While awaiting further orders from the T.V.

[Independent_Liberal]

80. You forgot the sarcasm icon.

I assume you meant that sarcastically. ;)

[whistle]

67. That would be a perfect gift to America

[Faygo Kid]

68. Kick his ass, Dennis. Better yet, kick his head.

[bluesmail]

70. Rep Kucinich I do Love You. Keep safe.

:thumbsup:

[scarface2004]

72. after we impeach the moron chimp...

we can have alaska impeach the white trash drama queen with lipstick (fucking piece of shit!!)

[cambie]

75. The days are counting down

And this is the last chance to redeem. He will retire comfortably. The Great Experiment will have ended, and that moment will be marked in history to be read by your great-great-great grandchildren. Be depressed.

[Independent_Liberal]

77. That's what will happen if we give up.

But if we keep at it, no matter how long it takes, we keep the great experiment of democracy alive.

[silverojo]

78. Campaign for Obama, Dennis!

It's too damned late for impeachment, and you know it. Quit trying to get attention for yourself, and help us get a Dem into the White House!

[Independent_Liberal]

79. No, he's not trying to get attention for himself.

He's doing his job to defend the constitution all representatives are sworn to uphold. And no, it's not too late. Contrary to popular belief, there is no time limit on impeachment. It can still be done after an official has left office. It's never too late uphold your oath of office.

[robcon]

82. No, I think he's (unintentionally) working aginst Obama

Any impeachment hearings would cinch the election for McCain. Fortunately, Kucinich is a fringe politician (1-2% of Democrats in the primaries) to whom few people listen.

[Mithreal]

83. You are ignoring history of impeachments. nt

[Mithreal]

84. Morality is not determined from a popularity contest

The Ds who know who he is support him and his ideas. Even the folks who wish he wouldn't push impeachment, don't you grudgingly respect his position?

Dennis asked his supporters to get behind Obama during the primaries and I was taken aback that he would ask us to cast our vote for Obama. Don't think he supports Obama, then why did he ask us to do that?

Just because you are campaigning doesn't mean there isn't time to protect the Constitution, or if you like, do your job. Kucinich is tough on crime, wish I could say that about all the D's who think white collar or White House crimes can be overlooked or justice delayed.

Damn, you wouldn't know it if you talked with me personally but I am seething inside. Folks, get out and knock on doors and if you can't do that make phone calls. If you can't do that there are other volunteer positions to fill. After that, send the money to DU. But money is far less important than face-to-face. The Obama campaign would like to have all the money it can get, but I am willing to bet the money is NEEDED MORE BY KEY NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC RACES OTHER THAN PRESIDENT.

[fascisthunter]

86. and I think you don't know what the hell you are talking about

nice try though

[fascisthunter]

87. divide... nice try

and good bye

[Nydari]

88. Thank you Dennis

Impeachment is the rational and correct reaction to the Bush Administration. "Taking it off the table" is akin to collaboration imo.

[Zorra]

93. Pelosi and Reid may someday write strongly worded letters indicating

that Bu*h may have done some things wrong during his tenure as WH resident.

Or they may mention something to this effect in their memoirs after they are out of office.

Dennis Kucinich should be Speaker of the House

[OKthatsIT]

95. Both of them should be thrown out onto the streets!

Pelosi...HOW DARE YOU tell US what WE will do.

And Harry Reid sucked up to Abramoff and swindled the Shoshone Nation our of MILLIONS of acres of land which belonged to the tribe...and HW BUSH is getting a huge windfall profit out of Reid's deal.