Vatican attacks US abortion move

[Shardik]

Source: BBC

The Vatican has condemned President Obama's move to restore US funding for family planning clinics abroad that give advice on or carry out abortions.

One Vatican official warned against the "arrogance" of those in power who think they can decide between life and death.

Another official said it dealt a blow to groups fighting against "the slaughter of the innocents".

The White House says the move aligns the US with other nations fighting poverty and promoting health care.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7849600.stm

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Well, we've been attacked again. Should we use the "Bush Doctrine" here?

[Warpy]

1. That old pervert needs to get his nose out of my crotch

and we'll both be happier for it.

He also needs to learn the difference between civil law and religious edict. If he doesn't, then let's start taxing his organization.

[laconicsax]

23. Do you really expect an insulated religious official to differentiate between the two?

[No Elephants]

48. No, but I would hope that my government would be able to differentiate between

the two. This is a good step in that direction. The more steps, the happier I'll be. (P.S. Relatively fundamentalist Christian in favor of TOTAL separation of church and state here.)

[jkappy]

58. and differentiate about planned parenthood's classism

the pope is one thing, but population control is another---and much less clear an issue

[Kolesar]

45. Ratz., who organized against Kerry in 2004, is lecturing us about: "the slaughter of the innocents"

I missed his long treatment about the immorality of petro-imperialism and torture.

Cardinal Ratzenberger was one of "those" clerics who excommunicated Kerry in 2004 and/or organized against him. If they had kept their stinking mouths shut, Kerry probably would have won Ohio.

There was some douchebag at work dropping "Catholic" anti-abortion/anti-Kerry literature in the breakroom where I work.

[BlueJazz]

2. warned against the "arrogance" of those in power who think they can decide between life and death

Anybody else catch the total Irony here ?? :)

[JerseygirlCT]

17. Just what I was thinking! nt

[earcandle]

36. yep...

[Bloody John Flynt]

69. I did!

On both levels; political and religious! From "the decider" to the church and its own history. But of course neither have really cared about the people just their perceived dogmas.

[ixion]

3. the Vatican has no moral ground whatsoever to speak out about "arrogance" and

"the slaughter of innocents."

None. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

[liberalmuse]

6. It's only murder if it's abortion.

People of this ilk do not give a rat's ass for living, breathing, sentient beings.

[IndianaGreen]

4. The Vatican also backs Holocaust deniers

so it has no moral ground to stand on.

[BrklynLiberal]

14. Didn't he just reinstate the sainthood of a bishop that was a holocaust denier?

I heard it on the radio this AM.

In any case..This country is supposed to have been founded on the principle of separation of church and state..so what the Vatican thinks has absolutely no standing here.

[TechBear_Seattle]

31. With a former Hitler Youth at the high altar, what did you expect? n/t

[liberalmuse]

5. I do not like this Pope.

He has no moral standing and needs to STFU, really.

[IndianaGreen]

10. This Pope swore an oath to Hitler

"In the presence of this blood banner which represents our Führer, I swear to devote all my energies and my strength to the saviour of our country, Adolf Hitler. I am willing and ready to give up my life for him, so help me God."

Hitler Youth oath

[TankLV]

13. Fuck that NAZI Pope. Why should ANYBODY care what that old fuck thinks?!!!

He and his dandy pedophile bishops have made it clear what they think of GBLT and Jews...frighteningly clear...

[Seldona]

28. Even if I were Catholic, I wouldn't listen to anyone who

has owned his very own Hitler Youth Knife with the death's head on it. I often wonder if he still has it?

[Hardrada]

7. I think Obama should start appointing bishops to US dioceses.

Fair is fair.

[DeepBlueC]

24. women ... and married people of both sexes

someone's got to do it.

[No Elephants]

49. Bingo! It's about time religion felt the down side of

mixing church and state.

So far, it's been all tax breaks, school vouchers, funding FBI's and appeasing.

When our government starts interfering with what churches can do, preach, etc., maybe the beauty of total separation of church and state will start dawning on churches.

[Ian David]

8. If Pope Ratso says Obama is arrogant, then it must be true. Because Der Popenfuhrer is infallible.nt

[Oldtimeralso]

38. I Thought That His Name Was Pope Nazinger! n/t

[sasquatch]

9. Oh yeah baby, lets send in the Marines

B-)

[natrat]

11. fuck thye vatican, seriously-with a history like theirs they should keep their fucking mouths shut

[salguine]

12. Has the Pope spoken out against institutionalized child rape? No? Shut the fuck up, Ratz.

[Hekate]

15. My message to this particular pope: bugger off until you personally give birth to a child of rape.

That's as civil as I can be under the circumstances. :grr:

Hekate

[buzzard]

25. You are more civil than I would be, get the Church out of what I consider a secular matter.

[depakid]

16. Next. we'll be hearing about how contraceptive pills are poisoning our waterways....

oh wait....

[Ichingcarpenter]

18. Desecration of a biscuit is worse the Genocide

Abortion is worse than Genocide.

Only the pope can forgive abortion or the desecration of a biscuit
A normal priest can forgive someone for genocide.

[McCamy Taylor]

19. Let him excommunicate our whole country. It will do us good to cut the apron string to Rome.

The Vatican does not need our money. They can sell their Treasures.

[Odin2005]

20. Sane people to the Roman Catholic Church: DROP DEAD. n/t

[gorfle]

21. Yawn.

Does anyone actually pay attention to what religious leaders say?

[frog92969]

22. Unfortunatly

For some reason.:shrug:

[Ichingcarpenter]

26. Proposition 8

Any Questions?

[muntrv]

27. This from a man who fought for the nazis in WWII.

:eyes:

[Zynx]

57. That is a very disingenuous comment, but I suppose you don't care.

[NaturalHigh]

75. That is a blatant lie.

Whatever you might think of the pope, he never fought for the Nazis.

[eagertolearn]

29. They're losing church members on this issue. Most Catholics have moved to

the middle on this issue (don't like it but think women should make the decisions about their own bodies). I really think it's not from the bible but only a way to keep their church alive. The Mormons fall in this boat too, encouraging their members to have at least 5 kids. Got to keep their churches alive!

[Javaman]

30. meh, I never listen to a man wearing a pointy hat. Usually means dunce. nt

[Mz Pip]

32. Yeah, but then

there are those Prada shoes. And the jewelry.

If you wear Prada, people listen. :shrug:

Go figure.

[No Elephants]

52. Dunce, or even

worse.

[santamargarita]

33. Ask the "Nazi Pope" about "the slaughter of the innocents" at Auschwitz

~

[ismnotwasm]

34. Disgusting bastard

If he doesn't realize the harm the global gag rule caused thousands of women, he doesn't deserve the to be the head of any so-called "compassionate" religion. What would Jesus do? I'm not religious-- but my take on it is that the Jesus compassionate Christians believe in would want to protect innocent women from having baby after baby without proper care or education. To allow each life a chance after birth, rather than really not giving a shit that it's been condemned to poverty and disease way before it was ever conceived, much less born.


What a complete and total asshole.

[No Elephants]

50. Not only women. Under W, the gag rule covered contraception, including

condoms, in addition to abortion. AIDS, STD's, etc. affect men as well as women. And, even as to abortion, men are not thrilled about unwanted pregnancies, either, for many reasons.

[ismnotwasm]

71. Yes, you are absolutely right

It's hurt Men, Women and children in ways I probably don't even want to know, and I know some pretty bad outcome of this.

[CHIMO]

35. Well

He can't refuse communion to a non-Catholic.

So may we assume that he will be pushing for a person to take up his beliefs in the political future?

How the hell do we keep politics and religion separate?

[TygrBright]

37. Given how hard the Pope is working to make an ass of himself these days...

...I'd say he's seriously jealous of W's reputation and status in history. Looks like he's pulling out all the stops to compete for "Most Inane Leader of the 21st Century."

Tough competition.

judiciously,
Bright

[DeepBlueC]

39. lol

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[Spangle]

41. Speaking of "arrogance"

And the USA should care what this guy says or thinks?? That he thinks so, is rather "arrogance"


Pot calling the kettle black on so many levels.

[Political Heretic]

42. We need to pre-emptively bomb the vatican.

kidding. :)

[pipi_k]

55. He attacked us first!

We would just be defending ourselves!

The pope is a terrorist!


;)

[krabigirl]

43. Another irrelevant comment by that guy. Anyway, he isn't President. Too bad for him.

He just can't deal with the fact that someone isn't bowing down to their will.

[Joe Bacon]

44. Look who's talking about Genocide!

Pope Eggs Benedict still shoots the shit about condoms being a no-no, MEANWHILE millions of Africans continue to die from AIDS.

Eggy Baby, stop shooting the shit about no condoms, and the world might not ignore your asinine views!

[SlowDownFast]

46. Fuck you and your irrelevant dinasour institution. n/t

[No Elephants]

47. Anyone else see the irony in this: One Vatican official warned against

the "arrogance" of those in power who think they can decide between life and death"

Or are the powers at the Vatican, including this Vatican official, okay with each woman making her own choices?

Seems as though they should not be able to have it both ways, doesn't it?

[designforce]

51. The Pope

Is this the same pope who won't get rid of the child molesters?

Is this the same pope who sits on top of untold sums of money but does not end as much suffering with it as he might?

Is this the same church that stood by when the Nazi's were in power?

Is this the same church that denies women equal rights?

Who the hell cares what the pope or the catholic church says.

As a retired catholic and now stone cold atheist I see what the church has done and is continuing to do in places all around the world. Keep the people ignorant, keep the people poor. I know there are some exceptions to this, but these are individual priests, not the official policy of the pope or the church.

Can't wait for the last king to be strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

[No Elephants]

53. There's slaughter of innocents and then there's slaughter of innocence. The Vatican

has been up to its elbows in both. Didn't this Pope cover up, er, handle pedophilia issues for Pope John Paul?

[marshall]

54. Why can't they just look at it pragmatically?

The fewer people who are born, the more resources there are for those of us who are walking around and breathing the over poluted air. Don't they give a damn about world hunger???

[sarcasmo]

56. F the Pope, and F the Vatican.

[AndyTiedye]

59. Did You Ever Wonder How Maledict Became Pope?

It wasn't divine intervention:

[uppityperson]

60. When will the Fucking Media get it straight? This really irks me.

It is NOT an abortion move but contraceptive and STD prevention move. If a group even mentioned abortions (here are your choices, have a baby or have a baby), they were banned from the funding. They could be a group that never ever had anything to do with abortions, but if it was mentioned ("give advice" like "what is your choice, have a baby or get an abortion") no funding.

So, news media. Revoking the Gag rule means that many women not will be able to PLAN when they want to get pregnant, be able to PLAN their working lives out a bit more, will be able to PLAN on less exposure to HIV and other STDs (that one is for women and men). THANK YOU President Obama. If someone were able to prevent pregnancy and STDs, wouldn't that be a good thing?

News media, it is about women being able to have more control over their lives, preventing pregnancies and STDs, much more than getting abortions. Good lord media, get it right.

[CatholicEdHead]

61. Contraception gets feathers ruffled as much as Abortion in Vatican circles

They are on almost equal plane of each other. It is asinine, most Catholics ignore it but the Vatican will not budge one bit.

[old mark]

62. Well, fuck the Pope. nt

[Acadia Blue]

65. Ditto! He is living in the 1300 hundreds

[fascisthunter]

63. He's the Reason my Mother Left the Catholic Church

[Acadia Blue]

66. Lots of people left because they are ignornant and backwards.

[TrogL]

70. "they" who?

The sentence can be parsed two ways.

[fascisthunter]

74. read the poster's above statement

it's pretty clear what the post meant

[Acadia Blue]

64. The Vatican has harmed more poor peasants with their anti-birth

control rules than any other group. People who are starving are not allowed to control their reporductive rights, and the Church also eleminates abortion. So their stupid rules are don't have sex.

The Catholic church only cares about increasing its membership and not the well being of its members.
They are as bad as the corporatists and part of the same.

[TommyO]

67. Hey, Ratzo, four little letters:

STFU!

I condemn the Catholic Cult and their ongoing war against gay people and our civil rights, and I fully support the Obama administration's move to kill the gag rule and restore funding.

[truebrit71]

68. This from the fuckers that just brought holocaust deniers back into the fold...

...Hey, your Popeness, go take a flying fuck at the moon...

Just as soon as you lot stop molesting children maybe we'll start paying attention to what you say...

Until then, go spit... :grr:

[agincourt]

72. Someone needs to tell the Pope and his Church

that overpopulation will destroy the human race if not the entire planet. Overpopulation is the cause of many of our troubles now. The Malthusan devil is now knocking at our door. The Pope and many other people still think it's the year 1900.

[clspector]

73. Johnny Rats can keep his damn nose

out of our government. He is not an elected official here. He is in charge of his own bloody "country." He doesn't make policy here.

Oh, and anyone who was once a fucking Nazi can go piss up a rope.

[TEmperorHasNoClothes]

76. shocking- what next will he come out against gay rights too??????

:puke: the vatican coming out against women's rights.

[Betty]

77. since he's against birth control as well

then I would say he wants women to be forced to have as many unwanted children as possible. So he wins the arrogance contest, hands down.

[mnhtnbb]

78. Hey, Popie boy. Guess what? He's our President, elected by

the people of this country.

You, on the other hand, have no authority here. So fuck off.