ANC to shift to the Left after South Africa's presidential election

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Source: Daily Telegraph

Party officials told The Daily Telegraph that under the leadership of Jacob Zuma, the country's most exuberant politician who is expected to become president after elections next month, the ruling party will respond to growing discontent among the masses and focus efforts on poverty alleviation.

Pressure from the grassroots for tangible improvements in basic living standards, such as housing and sewage, has been exposed during election campaigning. Uproar over "the bucket system", where people use rudimentary receptacles as lavatories, has become a particular embarrassment to the party that has ruled since white majority rule ended in 1994.

A tribal chief forced Mr Zuma to take a petition signed by thousands of bucket users during a trip to Middleberg in the north-west of the country this week. On the same day the ANC candidate to lead Gauteng, the province around Johannesburg, was caught up in an ambush of disposed residents of a squatters camp by riot police.

Party officials acknowledge the next ANC government must adopt broader spending plans to counter the growing swell of anger that the fruits of black majority rule have not trickled down to the townships and informal settlements where the majority live.

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/5012313/ANC-to-shift-to-the-Left-after-South-Africas-presidential-election.html

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1. Mandela sold out to the boys

It was a rigged game from the beginning.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/formercia/228

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2. No, it was that Mbeki thought that Thatcherism was the way to go.

There is a strong libertarian organization in SA that had a hand in the early transfer of power. Mbkei did a lot for businesses - but not a lot for the poor - because of ideology, not as a sell out.

I have heard many whites complain that the blacks took over most of the jobs without much training.

The history of SA was that the whites received all the education prior to the end of apartheid and hence had all the skills for jobs. The blacks did not. And one cannot educate people in a year - or five - or ten. It will take a generation before the skills are more equal. If one is not employed, then one has no money.

I am glad of the shift to the left. There will be more socialist solutions as opposed to libertarian ones - such as the privatization of water, which was very bad for the poor in SA. I hope that is reversed.

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3. "There is a strong libertarian organization in SA"

A bunch of right-wing reactionaries called the Knights of Malta. Cecil Rhodes was KOM and SA has been effectively controlled by KOM since.

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4. No, I know nothing about that organization.

I am talking about this organization:

http://www.freemarketfoundation.com/Office_bearers.asp

It was started by Leon Louw, who with his wife wrote this book:

http://www.amazon.com/After-Apartheid-Solution-South-Africa/dp/0917616936/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237469344&sr=1-3

He is well known in SA, and has made contributions to libertarian policies in SA.

According to him, he was recommended for the Nobel Prize three times.

I do not support his idealogy. However, he is not a racist by any means, and was never a right-winger. He opposed the Iraq war.

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5. The South West Africa/Namibia Chamber of Commerce

http://www.amazon.com/quality-equality-Commerce-Socio-economic-development/dp/B0007C5SJO/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237470215&sr=1-11

The quality of equality: Equal rights or equal slavery : based on an address given to the South West Africa/Namibia Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ... 1982 (Socio-economic development series) (Unknown Binding)
by Leon Louw (Author)

The South West Africa/Namibia Chamber of Commerce, part of the International Chamber of Commerce is a known front for the Knights of Malta.

These people push free trade, union busting and Globalization.

Mbeki is just another front man for the same agenda. You call it Thatcherism, here in the US, it's Reaganomics. It's just a different shade of the same beast.

It's all been discredited.

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6. As I stated, I do not support their ideology.

I was explaining that libertarianism influenced the early SA governments, especially because the book that the Louw's wrote was a best seller in the country. They advocated a system similar to the Swiss canton system.

I hate their views on global warming and privatization.

The Free Market Foundation is trying to influence the governments in Southern Africa with discredited (I think the same as you) ideas. But I do not believe, knowing what I know about them, that they are allied with right-wing reactionaries - or ever were. I would say that that characterization is a lie.

But, I am somewhat dismayed by this development (link below), and would hope that someone would counter it.
http://www.africanliberty.org/node/484

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7. typo - too late to edit - should be Louws.

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8. Let me refresh your memory

See this pic? That's Nelson Mandela at his installation ceremony into the Knights of Malta. he took an oath to uphold their agenda. He didn't get invited into the fold for having a nice smile. He got there by making his bones.

Pictures don't lie unless they're altered. This image speaks for itself.

People need to wake the fuck up.

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9. Zuma is going to be a disaster,

Aside from being an illiterate homophobic polygamist with 20 kids and rapist who owes his freedom to an indifferent white judge at his trial, he is another AIDS denier who believes AIDS is caused by poor hygiene and one can prevent infection with a shower after sex with an infected person. He has is hand in a dirty arms deal to buy ships for the South African navy but got off on a technicality.

Zuma last made the news when his supporters went on a immigrant killing rampage chanting his campaign song.

This guy is going to give Robert Mugabe a run for his money to see who can reduce a functioning country to ruins the fastest.

When Zuma became leader of the ANC a friend in South Africa sent me a brief message "well then, I guess were going to find out what is worse than apartheid"