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AlphaCentauri
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Fri Jun-12-09 09:48 PM Original message |
Rattled by Indian kids, Obama calls for revamping U.S. education |
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One of Many
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Fri Jun-12-09 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. He's right |
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Xipe Totec
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Fri Jun-12-09 10:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Of course he is right! |
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wordpix
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Sat Jun-13-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
64. I was teaching gr. 6 science this year and told not to teach metric math |
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JayMusgrove
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Sun Jun-14-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #64 |
92. What idiot would tell a teacher not to teach metric? |
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wordpix
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Sun Jun-14-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #92 |
101. yes but this is the good ol' US so metric's not important. Sarcasm |
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AlphaCentauri
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Sun Jun-14-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #92 |
121. Ask Ronald Reagan |
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stlsaxman
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Mon Jun-15-09 05:37 AM Response to Reply #92 |
135. Teaching metrics will lead to doing away with fractions! We can't have THAT now can we?? |
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Pirate Smile
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Fri Jun-12-09 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
2. "Apparently rattled" - I guess they didn't hear him make this same point 20 plus times |
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No Elephants
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Sun Jun-14-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
91. ? Story doesn't say this is the first time he's saying ths. It's just reporting on a recent speech. |
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LuckyLib
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Fri Jun-12-09 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
3. Asian countries also value teachers to the extent that in-class time is far less than in the US -- |
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AlphaCentauri
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Fri Jun-12-09 10:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Also they make college education almost free, they value education in all aspects. n/t |
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JI7
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Fri Jun-12-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. this is a very big problem and might prevent many who want to start their own projects |
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Frank Booth
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Sun Jun-14-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
123. Tell that to the tens of millions of Chinese kids who can't even afford primary education. |
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JDPriestly
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Sat Jun-13-09 01:30 AM Response to Reply #3 |
44. European school days in grade school are also shorter. |
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wordpix
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Sat Jun-13-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
65. no joke - I spent on average 10 hr./day, plus 10 hr. on wkends & many more when grades were due |
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musette_sf
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Fri Jun-12-09 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
4. if the H-1Bs i work with are any indication |
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Igel
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Sat Jun-13-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
63. Rote learning is good. |
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PfcHammer
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Fri Jun-12-09 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
5. Math is hard. |
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Deja Q
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Sun Jun-14-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
88. Sesame Street. But I had to turn it off; trying to count to 10 was too hard... |
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CoffeeCat
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Fri Jun-12-09 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
6. I'm sorry what??? |
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notadmblnd
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Fri Jun-12-09 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
8. obviously he's never spoken to any of their call center representatives |
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AlphaCentauri
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Fri Jun-12-09 10:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. they may not be more intelligent but, hey! some of them speak 2 or 3 languages n/t |
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Larkspur
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Fri Jun-12-09 10:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. India has like 15 different languages within its borders |
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AlphaCentauri
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Fri Jun-12-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. I guess english and any other of the 15 languages |
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girl gone mad
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Fri Jun-12-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. To be fair, the majority of Indian call center workers I've spoken with over the years.. |
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JDPriestly
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Sat Jun-13-09 01:32 AM Response to Reply #21 |
45. How true. Most of the foreign call center employees try very hard |
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JerseygirlCT
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Sun Jun-14-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #45 |
86. LOL, true. Very true. But then agin, I remember getting a |
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AlphaCentauri
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Sun Jun-14-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #86 |
128. I remembered a customer from Barcelona was contacting one of those calling centers |
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stlsaxman
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Mon Jun-15-09 05:56 AM Response to Reply #128 |
136. He "choosed" it? |
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AlphaCentauri
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Mon Jun-15-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #136 |
141. I knew it, spell checking was free, sorry n/t |
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JerseygirlCT
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Mon Jun-15-09 08:47 AM Response to Reply #128 |
140. If you call Sirius for help (and I hope you never have to; absolutely the most aggravating |
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OhioChick
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Sun Jun-14-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #21 |
71. Agreed. Those that I have worked with have a very hard time with English |
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JerseygirlCT
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Sun Jun-14-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
85. Yes, I think I'd probably sound a great deal less intelligent |
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No Elephants
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Sun Jun-14-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #85 |
94. A company should not expect you to provide customer service to its Mandarin-speaking customers then. |
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JerseygirlCT
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Sun Jun-14-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #94 |
117. Oh no argument there. Just saying it's not necessarily a reflection of their |
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AlphaCentauri
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Sun Jun-14-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #117 |
129. Exactly what I did say |
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JI7
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Fri Jun-12-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. i don't think the ones who do very well in math and science work in call centers |
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Deja Q
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Sun Jun-14-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
89. Exactly. Exploitation. On a grand scale. |
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Ian David
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Fri Jun-12-09 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
9. He's right. But have you seen their movies?? n/t |
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AlphaCentauri
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Fri Jun-12-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. what? they don't show silicon implants or plastic surgeries |
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Fri Jun-12-09 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
14. I don't know about Chinese or Indian kids |
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No Elephants
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Sun Jun-14-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #14 |
95. Translating video games is different from only playing video games, though. |
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bloomington-lib
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Fri Jun-12-09 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
16. He is a very busy guy. |
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Larkspur
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Fri Jun-12-09 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
18. But other articles show that Indian students aren't smarter than Americans |
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AlphaCentauri
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Fri Jun-12-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. They can accomplish their college education with less resources |
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OhioChick
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Sun Jun-14-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #18 |
72. Good for you! |
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DBoon
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Fri Jun-12-09 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
20. maybe we should spend more on HS science labs than on football teams |
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BuelahWitch
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Sun Jun-14-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #20 |
83. +1 |
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girl gone mad
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Fri Jun-12-09 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
22. Nonsense. |
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digidigido
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Fri Jun-12-09 11:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. There's a certain willful ignorance in this response. If you think video games are |
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notadmblnd
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Fri Jun-12-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. have you said that to the military? |
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GoddessOfGuinness
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Fri Jun-12-09 11:32 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Actually, there's a fair amount that kids can learn from video games... |
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No Elephants
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Sun Jun-14-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #28 |
102. Yep. The right video games ARE educational. Some can help with exercise, too. |
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truedelphi
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Sat Jun-13-09 12:13 AM Response to Reply #22 |
34. That video was priceless. Great humorous touches and |
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Confusious
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Sat Jun-13-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #22 |
36. You need math to make video games |
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girl gone mad
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Sat Jun-13-09 01:04 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. All the more reason to encourage kids to study them. |
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smitra
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Sat Jun-13-09 01:12 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. One of my brightest students - mentioned in post # 30 - tells me... |
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Confusious
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Sat Jun-13-09 01:23 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Thats why I'm going back to school |
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OhioChick
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Sun Jun-14-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #22 |
73. Bingo! "they're competing on cheaper pay." n/t |
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Deja Q
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Sun Jun-14-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
80. No arguments here; THAT is the "being able to compete" that corporations want. |
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No Elephants
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Sun Jun-14-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
99. Playing video games is different from studying tthem and both are different from making |
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RobinA
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Sun Jun-14-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
120. In My ex High School |
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AlphaCentauri
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Sun Jun-14-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
130. Yep, we need less educated consumers |
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tblue37
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Fri Jun-12-09 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
25. I teach college English. In spring semester, about 3/4 of my students are |
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Confusious
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Sat Jun-13-09 12:50 AM Response to Reply #25 |
37. Well, I know for a fact that people from the university take math |
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tblue37
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Sat Jun-13-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
60. Yes, there is that, too. I hear from my students that our university's |
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No Elephants
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Sun Jun-14-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #25 |
106. I went to school when teachers were giving honest grades, not teaching to standardized tests and |
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dickthegrouch
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Fri Jun-12-09 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
26. The US education system is doomed without |
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Sun Jun-14-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
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truedelphi
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Fri Jun-12-09 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
29. He is missing a serious point - jobs are going to INDIA and CHINA. Jobs are leaving the USA. |
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Deja Q
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Sun Jun-14-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #29 |
104. Wholly agreed. How come we're seeing the obvious yet corporate and/or governmental units cannot? |
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smitra
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Fri Jun-12-09 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
30. My graduating class this year had two American-born kids who can without question.... |
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AlphaCentauri
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Sat Jun-13-09 12:09 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. American born kids means their parents are immigrants? |
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smitra
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Sat Jun-13-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. No, their parents are born in the US too. |
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Confusious
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Sat Jun-13-09 12:58 AM Response to Reply #30 |
38. As far as a percentage |
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smitra
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Sat Jun-13-09 01:10 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Given what I also said in my post (#30) ... |
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Confusious
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Sat Jun-13-09 01:22 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. I know |
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Sat Jun-13-09 01:48 AM Response to Reply #38 |
48. 10% of 350 million is 35 million. |
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Sat Jun-13-09 01:51 AM Response to Reply #38 |
49. Could I really be the first to gently correct you... |
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clixtox
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Sat Jun-13-09 01:54 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. If I had just learned to type in high school... |
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No Elephants
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Sun Jun-14-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
109. Apparently not. You can be the second, though. |
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No Elephants
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Sun Jun-14-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #38 |
100. Only if you make lots of assumptions not inherent in the bare numbers. |
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JDPriestly
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Sat Jun-13-09 01:37 AM Response to Reply #30 |
46. You are quite right. It depends on the culture in the home. |
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No Elephants
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Sun Jun-14-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #46 |
108. My son had a TV in his room. He did well, right through Cornell Law School and is one |
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Sat Jun-13-09 03:54 AM Response to Reply #30 |
52. almost always when kids do poorly in school, it has nothing to do with smarts. |
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Rex
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Fri Jun-12-09 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
31. Hey with over a billion people, both countries need to figure out how |
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Deja Q
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Sun Jun-14-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #31 |
81. Useless and ultimately unrealistic ideas such as monogamy, abstinence, and planned parenting? |
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tularetom
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Fri Jun-12-09 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
32. Educated people are ridiculed in this country |
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Mythsaje
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Sat Jun-13-09 01:39 AM Response to Original message |
47. We're still teaching in much the same way we were in the early 20th Century |
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MadHound
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Sat Jun-13-09 07:15 AM Response to Reply #47 |
55. As one who's enrolled in an education program |
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smitra
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Sat Jun-13-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. As a college teacher of Computer Science... |
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Mythsaje
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Sat Jun-13-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. College doesn't count. |
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Mythsaje
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Sat Jun-13-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. Every time I talk to someone in "education" |
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mbperrin
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Sun Jun-14-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #61 |
110. I've been teaching high school students for 3 decades now. Let's answer |
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greengestalt
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Sat Jun-13-09 03:01 AM Response to Original message |
51. But I have three college degrees! |
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UpInArms
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Sat Jun-13-09 07:06 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. see my post #52 n/t |
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Deja Q
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Sun Jun-14-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #51 |
84. You mean the top 1% has some responsibility too? |
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UpInArms
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Sat Jun-13-09 07:05 AM Response to Original message |
53. I work in an office next to a woman (she's 26) a recent graduate |
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sisters6
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Sat Jun-13-09 07:28 AM Response to Original message |
56. as it is carried out now, NCLB is not the answer. |
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wordpix
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Sat Jun-13-09 08:34 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. smaller classes, parent education, more aides in the classroom... |
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du_grad
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Sat Jun-13-09 11:43 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. There were 39 of us in second grade... |
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wordpix
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Sun Jun-14-09 09:10 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. there were 60 of us in 6th gr. with 2 teachers BUT I had a parent at home at all times |
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du_grad
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Sun Jun-14-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #69 |
131. So very true. |
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mbperrin
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Sun Jun-14-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #67 |
111. I taught 183 senior economics students in 6 sections last spring. I taught |
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Deja Q
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Sun Jun-14-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #66 |
87. Ah, but like regulations and their enforcement, what you ask costs money. |
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HughBeaumont
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Sat Jun-13-09 07:37 AM Response to Original message |
57. Er . . . what's he missing besides THE BIG PICTURE? |
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OhioChick
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Sun Jun-14-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #57 |
74. Well said, as usual. n/t |
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Deja Q
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Sun Jun-14-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #57 |
79. *DING* *DING* *DING* We have THE winner! |
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krabigirl
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Sat Jun-13-09 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
59. Yeah, well also, school sports teams are not as important. |
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du_grad
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Sat Jun-13-09 11:48 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. That is so true about sports. |
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OhioChick
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Sun Jun-14-09 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
70. U.S. education is not in need of "revamping".....jobs will still go to the cheapest worker. n/t |
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marshall
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Sun Jun-14-09 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
75. India and China focus on educating the brightest |
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ChromeFoundry
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Sun Jun-14-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Exactly... |
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Liberal_in_LA
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Sun Jun-14-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #75 |
93. yep. and in this cultures, if you don't make the cut it's over..no 2nd chances for an education |
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JonQ
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Sun Jun-14-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #75 |
98. Yep |
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AlphaCentauri
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Sun Jun-14-09 09:17 PM Response to Reply #75 |
122. Here in the US we have decided to educate everyone except the poor |
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DatManFromNawlins
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Mon Jun-15-09 04:46 AM Response to Reply #75 |
133. The flip side is many ultra-bright kids fall right on through the cracks |
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yellowwood
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Sun Jun-14-09 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
76. The Culture of Ignorance and Ease |
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ChromeFoundry
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Sun Jun-14-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Ummm,,, yeah, m-Kay. |
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yellowwood
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Sun Jun-14-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #78 |
96. You misunderstand my comment |
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Deja Q
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Sun Jun-14-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #96 |
103. How many of these Americans spent 5/6 digit figures to get a degree, only to not be able to use it? |
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Manifestor_of_Light
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Sun Jun-14-09 10:12 PM Response to Reply #103 |
126. Yep, baby boomers are screwed. |
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No Elephants
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Sun Jun-14-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #96 |
107. ChromeFoundry understood your comment perfectly.. You did not understand ChromeFoundry's though. |
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ChromeFoundry
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Sun Jun-14-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #96 |
113. Nope, I understood completely well |
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Psephos
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Sun Jun-14-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #78 |
132. You call that an "argument"? |
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ChromeFoundry
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Mon Jun-15-09 07:48 AM Response to Reply #132 |
139. and...who the hell are you? |
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Deja Q
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Sun Jun-14-09 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
82. Uh-oh. I can smell Xbox and PS3 executives shitting their pants over this... |
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HughBeaumont
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Sun Jun-14-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #82 |
90. K & R this post. |
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Deja Q
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Sun Jun-14-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #90 |
105. Thank you kindly. |
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OhioChick
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Sun Jun-14-09 06:37 PM Response to Reply #82 |
116. +100 Damn good post! n/t |
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Deja Q
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Mon Jun-15-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #116 |
142. Thanks! And it looks like a petty troll also responded... |
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Sun Jun-14-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #82 |
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No Elephants
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Sun Jun-14-09 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
97. Did he have any proposals on how to remedy the situation, beyond less time on video games? |
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Sun Jun-14-09 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
112. I'm not impressed by either the Indians or the Chinese |
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Deja Q
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Sun Jun-14-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #112 |
115. And college instructors will say in return "choose your field wisely; know what you're getting in" |
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Sun Jun-14-09 10:17 PM Response to Reply #115 |
127. Yep, I seem to recall Bush was all for reeducating people |
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Mon Jun-15-09 07:43 AM Response to Reply #127 |
138. Well, the whole profit thing . . . |
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Umbral
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Sun Jun-14-09 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
114. I guess teachers up next for the chopping block. nt |
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Sun Jun-14-09 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
124. More garbage about how much 'smarter' Indians are |
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Mon Jun-15-09 09:26 PM Response to Reply #124 |
143. Wow. If my post (#82) attracted a petty troll, |
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Sun Jun-14-09 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
125. re: Obama calls for revamping U.S. education |
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Mon Jun-15-09 04:52 AM Response to Original message |
134. So just give them our jobs, like you already do |
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Mon Jun-15-09 06:41 AM Response to Original message |
137. It's not the education system... |
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