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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 08:59 AM Original message |
Venezuela: No Zelaya, No Oil |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
1. Wow. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. The right wing Honduran media will probably call him a terrorist. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
36. You itching for a lawsuit? LOL. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
71. You know who these clowns really remind me of? |
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conspirator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
65. get your crispy here |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
2. Good. nt |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
3. Holy shit! K&R |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
4. YAY |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
5. Viva! |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #5 |
27. Viva, Hugo! |
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ensho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
7. good |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
8. It's the sort of measure the US should be taking. We're pouring $49 million into rightwing |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 09:42 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. +1. |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 10:11 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. NED funding might have helped instigate the coup as well |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. That Charlie Hardy article is excellent. Hits all the important points. |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. And here's a CIPE response to the coup |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. These little fascists are delusional. The entire purpose in thwarting the survey |
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
80. Actually, it reads like a CIA report on the outcome they desire |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
37. Don't you know, tax dollars to right-wing juntas comes back to the USA |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #37 |
68. Wow. I had forgotten all about that. Good memory, L. n/t |
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amyrose2712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
46. What PP said. nt |
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #8 |
77. But, the Contiuity of Government laws written by Bush.. |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
10. Ironic cosidering that Hugo was involved in a coup in 1992.... |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. In what way? nt |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Just the usual... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #12 |
25. Deleted message |
Grinchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
81. Your tag line image is a keeper! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. A coup against a homicidal regime. Yes, he was. |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. So a coup is alright as long as its a "good" coup? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 10:20 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. You're drawing the wrong inference. Chavez apologised |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Its fine, I was just noting the irony... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. They're right wing scumbags who took exactly 1 week to deplay death squads. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Deleted message |
WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
58. I have a theory that you are |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #26 |
79. Not from what I've seen... |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
40. Just put him on ignore. There's no reasoning with him. |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. I agree...it's important to avoid exposure to unapproved or impure opinions |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #40 |
59. Reasoned with? |
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troubledamerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 10:40 PM Response to Reply #59 |
103. A coup d'etat is OK by you -- "No dog in the fight" where democracy is overthrown? |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #103 |
112. Zelaya is old money establishment... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
52. So you were against the attempt to assassinate Hitler? |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. Valid point... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. So it's bad to murder Europeans but not Central Americans? |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. A lot more going on than that... |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
56. You'd "rahtha" no coups at all, but want to keep mentioning one of two coups in Venezuela |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. I was just remarking on two coups... |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
38. Not to mention, the Homies in Latin America threw off the Catholic Princes of Europe. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
39. Yup. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
57. Interesting you choose to sidestep the reason for that coup, one of TWO |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
75. President Hugo Chavez as a young officer participated in a leftist military rebellion |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #75 |
90. I predict WriteDown won't reply to your post. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #90 |
111. Even if it means a Commie Pinko Dirtbag is right! LOL. |
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ro1942 (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
22. leader |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
23. Good |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
24. That's hard core. But, in a world market, Honduras can find a new supplier in a wink of an eye. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #24 |
51. The fascists WON'T be finding a source of oil for Honduras at a preferential rate, |
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
82. Let them. |
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Dave From Canada (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
28. How is it a coup? Zelaya was trying to circumvent his supreme court and congress to change the |
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cosmicone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. He was being a populist. |
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Dave From Canada (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #29 |
53. Nope, what he was doing was wrong. He was trying to re-write the constitution, so that he can |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #53 |
66. Not even close, Dave, but your impression of a right winger is very good. |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Only you and a handful of US reactionary politicians have this problem. |
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Dave From Canada (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
55. No, not all of them are condemning the coup. Some are, but are condeming the former President's |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #55 |
69. So is it a coup or not. Which is it? So far the only people justifying this that I can see |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. The way the golpistas are describing it is almost word for word as Dave does. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #70 |
101. Here are images of the people of Honduras enjoying their new "democratic" Honduras: |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #101 |
108. The military we spend millions of dollars on every year. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. Have you been watching Faux News? |
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Dave From Canada (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. Nope. Listening to Zbigniew Brezinski. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #50 |
74. "a non-binding poll ... for a democratic review of the constitution." |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #50 |
113. Oh, great. The architect of borrowing from the rich to build the war machine |
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #28 |
83. How do you know? All you know is what the media has told you. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #28 |
105. Is that you, John McCain? |
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jasi2006 (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:48 AM Response to Reply #28 |
109. Everytime we want to "amend" the Consitution we are re-writing it. |
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Mudoria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
30. They should have let Zelaya return and then impeached him.. |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
31. Seal the border with Honduras. Make trade difficult. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I think the borders have been sealed -- sometime last week. n/t |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. The border with Honduras is already sealed by the surrounding countries |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #43 |
64. Good. Close airspace too. |
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roberto (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
34. US is not acting as they should .... they must not take the lead in this. Not good at all. |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I might need more coffee. |
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #34 |
86. Actually, you make a lot of good points. |
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troubledamerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
104. Another way to verbalize what you're saying is |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
42. Viva Chavez! |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
44. Behind the Honduran Coup |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Good point about the forces of imperialism. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #48 |
73. Zelaya raised the national minimum wage by 60 per cent. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #73 |
89. He was doing too much for people and he went to ALBA instead of |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:54 AM Response to Reply #89 |
110. I'm surprised there is such silence about Narco-corruption in Latin America |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
45. I wonder if Cuba and Venezuela could send in troops. |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
47. Oil is the ultimate fungible commodity. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
54. Heh. That's some serious leverage. The "Oil for Presidents" program. nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #54 |
67. LOL! Nice one. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
72. Lula mentions the coup in speech, accepting UNESCO award. |
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
76. Is it any wonder why the Oligarchs hate Chavez so much, no matter what country they are from? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Obama's response to this attack on the people of Honduras |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. I think he has done OK. |
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Yeah, wouldn't want to harm NAFTA /CAFTA in any way would we? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Asking Zelaya to "negotiate" with these criminals is basically an insult |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. Politics is not, in my observation, an elevated process. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Agreed. Turns out Obama is not the Wizard of OZ! |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Yah. nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:02 PM Response to Reply #96 |
107. Check it out: National Lawyers Guild call for action: |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 09:07 PM Response to Reply #88 |
99. That really bugs the hell out of me. Why should the victim of an illegal act be expected |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
85. I approve of this. Good move. -nt |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
91. It only hurts the poor |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Get in touch with the facts regarding the deal Zelaya made with Venezuela for the oil, |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. Human rights activists in Honduras are behind these measures. n/t |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #91 |
106. The poor don't drive Beemers! |
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New Dawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
97. K&R |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
98. National Lawyers Guild Calls for Action on Honduras |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
100. K and R |
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102. This rocks |
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