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struggle4progress
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Sun Nov-29-09 09:05 AM Original message |
Switzerland votes on minaret ban |
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onehandle
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Sun Nov-29-09 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
1. 'Taint' the image of the bankers of Nazi gold? |
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Capt_Nemo
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Sun Nov-29-09 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
2. The irony is that one of wealth sources of the swiss |
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bc3000
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
42. The irony is DUers supporting religious conservatives decorating the landscape with their symbols |
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CJCRANE
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Sun Nov-29-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. The real irony is that in a secular society all religions should be treated equally. |
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jberryhill
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Sun Nov-29-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #42 |
64. It's called civil liberties.... |
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bc3000
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #64 |
92. No, it's not called that |
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jberryhill
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Sun Nov-29-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. It is not a "pointy tower" ban |
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onehandle
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Mon Nov-30-09 09:44 AM Response to Reply #94 |
129. Their countrysides are beautiful but the cities are ugly. |
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jberryhill
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Mon Nov-30-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #129 |
136. That's what cracks me up about the "architectural integrity" contingent here... |
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treestar
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Mon Nov-30-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #136 |
143. I don't know what their legal system is like |
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jberryhill
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Mon Nov-30-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #143 |
149. You can have churches without steeples too.... |
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Thothmes
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Sun Nov-29-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #2 |
99. Doubt they are their to pray. |
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GreenStormCloud
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Sun Nov-29-09 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
3. Passed by 59%. The hate is rising. |
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harun
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Sun Nov-29-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
104. I feel this will be blood in the water for Far Right parties accross Europe to |
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struggle4progress
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Sun Nov-29-09 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
4. Minaret ban approved by 57 per cent of voters |
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Capt_Nemo
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Sun Nov-29-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. of course the government regrets, see why im my post above (nr. 2) |
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Imajika
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Sun Nov-29-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. To their great surprise... |
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onehandle
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Sun Nov-29-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. No surprise. The Swiss tend to be isolationists. nt |
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Robb
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Sun Nov-29-09 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
6. This sort of reminds me of a small town I once lived in. |
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Aramchek
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Sun Nov-29-09 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
7. Well, how about that? Mr. Neutral just put a giant target on his back. |
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knightinwhitesatin
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Sun Nov-29-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Not agreeing or disagreeing with the ban |
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Posteritatis
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
28. They passed it because they fear invasion by said fanatics, or something equally absurd |
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cowcommander
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Sun Nov-29-09 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
11. Muslims are the new Jews |
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Flaneur
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
12. Swiss ban mosque minarets in surprise vote |
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Love Bug
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I wonder how such a vote would go here? I think we know the answer to that. |
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Flaneur
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Well, it was the Swiss who voted today. Not us. |
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mstinamotorcity
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Mon Nov-30-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
138. I can tell you |
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jberryhill
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Mon Nov-30-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #138 |
150. What you *can* do in the US is... |
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UndertheOcean
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Good old fashioned European Xenophobia that gave us the Holocaust. n/t |
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divideandconquer
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Hitler was inspired by what the USA did to the Native Americans |
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JonQ
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. It's true, every horrible thing in history can be traced back to the US |
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proteus_lives
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Or our influence on the Mongol invasions! |
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WriteDown
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. Uh, as a Native American... |
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The Green Manalishi
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Mon Nov-30-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #27 |
153. Not 'inspired' |
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Posteritatis
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Sun Nov-29-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
52. Except, y'know, how he wasn't. (nt) |
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Democracyinkind
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Mon Nov-30-09 06:15 AM Response to Reply #15 |
110. More inspired by american Eugenics than by americas handling of the "Native problem" |
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pipoman
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Mon Nov-30-09 07:48 AM Response to Reply #15 |
123. Yea, right |
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sledgehammer
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Great way to encourage Muslims to be more tolerant! |
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Fear has a lot to do with it. They are afraid of Muslims, and the fear becomes hate. |
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Flaneur
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. That seems a little silly in Switzerland--Muslims are 6% of the population. |
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Democracyinkind
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Mon Nov-30-09 06:17 AM Response to Reply #19 |
111. yeah but the talking point was that in 1970 it was only 0,6%. So they extrapolated on those numbers |
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treestar
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Mon Nov-30-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #17 |
144. Muslims who want to have strict Sharia law |
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Posteritatis
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Isn't the tyranny of the majority awesome? (nt) |
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Lost-in-FL
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. Tyranny by the loud minority do exist. nt |
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Posteritatis
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Sun Nov-29-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #31 |
45. Not in this case, it doesn't. (nt) |
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Democracyinkind
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Mon Nov-30-09 06:19 AM Response to Reply #18 |
112. The majority of votes does not equal the majority of inhabitants. THe bigtos went to vote, most of |
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Posteritatis
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Mon Nov-30-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #112 |
151. Close enough. Non-voters are irrelevant, so my point stands. (nt) |
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CJCRANE
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. So what happens if someone builds a minaret? |
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Democracyinkind
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Mon Nov-30-09 06:21 AM Response to Reply #20 |
113. Since you cannot build without a permit, you will not get one unless you scrap the minarets. |
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
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FarCenter
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Actually, the Swiss don't want [b]anyone[/b] who is not Swiss moving there |
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onehandle
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Sun Nov-29-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #24 |
58. Exactly right. nt |
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Capt_Nemo
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Sun Nov-29-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. However they'll accept anyone's money, no questions asked! |
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Democracyinkind
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Mon Nov-30-09 06:14 AM Response to Reply #24 |
109. So how did I get born? If your post were true, I couldn't have. |
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
26. Deleted message |
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #26 |
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Imajika
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Yeah, I am waiting for the Christian churches... |
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Flaneur
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. You know, this isn't about Saudi Arabia or Indonesia or Pakistan. |
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Imajika
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. Yeah, I'm very aware of it... |
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Posteritatis
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Sun Nov-29-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. Then talk about them and don't treat a billion people monolithically |
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Imajika
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Sun Nov-29-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #51 |
69. Oh I am talking about them.. |
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Capt_Nemo
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. Sorry but this is an absolute falsehood: |
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mamaleah
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. The minarets do not at all. Nor do bells. |
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Imajika
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. Nonsense... |
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Capt_Nemo
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. I'm an european so I know one or two things about my fellow europeans |
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Imajika
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. So your saying that 57% of all Swiss.. |
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Capt_Nemo
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Yes I'm saying that 57% of those that voted in this referendum are bigots |
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jberryhill
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Sun Nov-29-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. Yes, they are |
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Mon Nov-30-09 04:03 AM Response to Reply #90 |
106. I'll be very clear in saying that as well. And anyone who tries to blame Muslims for this is as well |
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Democracyinkind
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Mon Nov-30-09 06:28 AM Response to Reply #88 |
115. While I agree with what you say... |
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Capt_Nemo
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Mon Nov-30-09 07:12 AM Response to Reply #115 |
120. Sorry, but genital mutilation is punished by common law |
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Democracyinkind
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Mon Nov-30-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #120 |
132. I know that. Problem is, it will only be prosecuted when brought to the attention of the authorities |
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LeftishBrit
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #43 |
84. 'Welcomed into the fold' is putting it a bit strongly.. |
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Mon Nov-30-09 03:51 AM Response to Reply #43 |
105. How come what you said is acceptable about Muslims... |
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Mon Nov-30-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #43 |
145. The don't want to integrate thing is a myth IMO |
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Flaneur
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. That is a ridiculously stupid post. |
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Sun Nov-29-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #35 |
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Violet_Crumble
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
39. So the Swiss can act just as badly and it's okay with you? |
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Mon Nov-30-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #26 |
140. So the answer is to become like them? -nt |
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bc3000
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
37. I would have voted against the minarets |
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Sun Nov-29-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #37 |
49. Then why |
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onehandle
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Sun Nov-29-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
57. Not a surprise. The Swiss tend to be isolationists. nt |
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Bhaisahab
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Mon Nov-30-09 07:53 AM Response to Reply #12 |
124. Here's the poster |
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Lost-in-FL
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
25. This is not about "tolerance" but wanting preferential treatment. nt |
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Posteritatis
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. OMG special rights! (nt) |
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Flaneur
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. You are kidding, right? "Preferencial treatment"? |
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Lost-in-FL
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. No I am not kidding. |
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Capt_Nemo
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Sun Nov-29-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
67. Wrong. This is about equal treatment of religions by the law |
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Lost-in-FL
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #67 |
76. Are Muslims not allowed to worship? Is that what this law is about? |
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Capt_Nemo
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Thankfuly I'm not "here in the USA" |
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Lost-in-FL
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. Wow... Live in Lisbon where there is one Mosque. |
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Capt_Nemo
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:42 PM Original message |
I wasn't talking about you |
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jberryhill
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Mon Nov-30-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #76 |
152. Neutral building codes are one thing... |
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LeftishBrit
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #25 |
78. Preferential treatment? Last I heard, there was no ban on church towers... |
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Lost-in-FL
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #78 |
87. There is no ban on the building of mosques, synagogues, churchs, etc. |
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
40. This could be seen as a public health measure... |
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TK421
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #40 |
74. Sadly, there is no cure in sight for this menace n/t |
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UndertheOcean
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Sun Nov-29-09 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
41. Saudi Arabia: No churches unless prophet Mohammed recognised, says expert |
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mamaleah
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Sun Nov-29-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. However, we aren't talking about those countries. |
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Capt_Nemo
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Sun Nov-29-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #48 |
66. That's for sure, but... |
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LeftishBrit
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
72. 'But Saudi Arabia is even worse!' is not really much of an accolade or even excuse... |
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cartach
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Sun Nov-29-09 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
47. What do you expect - |
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Imajika
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Sun Nov-29-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Huh? |
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Dutch
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Mon Nov-30-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #47 |
139. Are saying the Swiss "deserve" terror attacks??? |
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BolivarianHero
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Sun Nov-29-09 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
50. And once again, the horders of Nazi wealth stand proud against human rights... |
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Posteritatis
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Sun Nov-29-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. They've got some cheerleaders in this thread too. (nt) |
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Sun Nov-29-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I know... |
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LeftishBrit
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:37 PM Response to Reply #50 |
86. Much as I don't approve of what Switzerland did here... |
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Violet_Crumble
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Mon Nov-30-09 04:10 AM Response to Reply #86 |
107. Excellent post. I couldn't agree more... |
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Democracyinkind
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Mon Nov-30-09 06:30 AM Response to Reply #86 |
116. Thank you. |
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knightinwhitesatin
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Sun Nov-29-09 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
56. At least the Muslims in |
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Posteritatis
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Sun Nov-29-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. That means it's okay! (nt) |
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knightinwhitesatin
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Sun Nov-29-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Huh? |
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Posteritatis
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Sun Nov-29-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I actually do deny that the Muslim population had a choice in Switzerland |
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knightinwhitesatin
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Sun Nov-29-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. If 4% of Swiss |
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Capt_Nemo
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Sun Nov-29-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Problem is that today the far-right came for the muslims, and people looked the other way |
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Imajika
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Sun Nov-29-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Oh please... |
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Capt_Nemo
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #70 |
82. The big story is the restriction of civil rights in democratic societies |
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knightinwhitesatin
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Sun Nov-29-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #82 |
98. What civil right has been restricted |
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Capt_Nemo
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Sun Nov-29-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Why no minarets? either it is absurd stupidity or it is blatently discriminating one religion |
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knightinwhitesatin
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Sun Nov-29-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. So I guess |
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Capt_Nemo
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Sun Nov-29-09 08:45 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. No break for you |
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Violet_Crumble
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Mon Nov-30-09 04:20 AM Response to Reply #102 |
108. Sorry, but Switzerland hasn't banned nativity scenes... |
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Capt_Nemo
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Mon Nov-30-09 07:26 AM Response to Reply #108 |
122. The objective of the proponents of the ban is pretty clear: |
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LeftishBrit
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #63 |
79. So Saudi Arabia is a reactionary intolerant country. No one is denying this. |
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knightinwhitesatin
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Sun Nov-29-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #79 |
97. who is justifying Switzerland? |
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Sun Nov-29-09 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
62. Pure hate speech |
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LeftishBrit
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
71. Switzerland is known for cuckoo clocks and some cuckoo politicians and sometimes cuckoo voters... |
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Imajika
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. The politicians were against this... |
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LeftishBrit
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Then cuckoo mob spirit in this case.... |
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Democracyinkind
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Mon Nov-30-09 06:37 AM Response to Reply #75 |
119. The NO side had no campaign. The Yes side had the whole RW zionist NY community fire them up |
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Capt_Nemo
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Mon Nov-30-09 07:17 AM Response to Reply #119 |
121. That NY right wing zionists team up with the ideological heirs |
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Democracyinkind
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Mon Nov-30-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #121 |
133. Absolutely. It boggles the mind. |
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Mon Nov-30-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #119 |
141. There it is -- the Z-Bomb-- |
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Democracyinkind
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Mon Nov-30-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #141 |
146. The point is that the Yes campaign had access to funding, pundits and speakers while |
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Jim Sagle
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Tue Dec-01-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #146 |
162. Translation: the joooooooooooooos did it. |
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LeftishBrit
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Mon Nov-30-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #119 |
148. Why on earth would American Zionists be interested in Switzerland? |
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Democracyinkind
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Tue Dec-01-09 07:30 AM Response to Reply #148 |
158. Because they are interested in promoting Muslim-hate wherever, whenever. |
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Democracyinkind
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Mon Nov-30-09 06:34 AM Response to Reply #71 |
118. In some cantons it was 1991! Direct Democracy is a blessing and a curse. |
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
89. Very bad for the image of Switzerland, my Swiss friend told me |
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jberryhill
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Sun Nov-29-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. Freakin' Hillbillies... |
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robo50
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Sun Nov-29-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. Funny how the Europeans looked at the Americans that same way for |
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jberryhill
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Sun Nov-29-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. Ask the Swiss if they consider themselves "Europeans" |
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LeftishBrit
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Mon Nov-30-09 06:27 AM Response to Reply #100 |
114. Very true! |
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LeftishBrit
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Mon Nov-30-09 07:57 AM Response to Reply #114 |
126. For that matter.. |
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jberryhill
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Mon Nov-30-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #126 |
137. I was just thinking that... |
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Democracyinkind
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Mon Nov-30-09 06:33 AM Response to Reply #100 |
117. Culturally we are Europeans. Politically, as in EU-Members, we are not, and don't want to be. |
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Mon Nov-30-09 07:53 AM Response to Reply #89 |
125. hope, society will understand it |
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Scurrilous
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Mon Nov-30-09 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
127. Europe unites to deplore Swiss ban on minarets |
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marshall
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Mon Nov-30-09 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
128. Europe is going to pay the price one day for dissing Islam |
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Mon Nov-30-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #128 |
130. I'm sure you can't wait. |
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Mon Nov-30-09 10:33 AM Response to Reply #128 |
131. Which 9/11 are you referring to? |
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Democracyinkind
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Mon Nov-30-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #128 |
135. 9/11 was not about minarets. |
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Mon Nov-30-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #128 |
142. Yes, the world would be grand if everyone just gave in to violence and intimidation. |
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LeftishBrit
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Mon Nov-30-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #128 |
147. Sorry but that's a daft post |
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Tue Dec-01-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #128 |
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Mon Nov-30-09 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
134. Foreign, domestic anger at Swiss minaret ban |
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Mon Nov-30-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #134 |
154. If this vote is negated... |
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Capt_Nemo
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Mon Nov-30-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #154 |
156. So politicians and courts should submit to xenophobic far right policies |
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LeftishBrit
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Tue Dec-01-09 03:54 AM Response to Reply #154 |
157. That is a very dangerous sentiment |
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Tue Dec-01-09 07:34 AM Response to Reply #157 |
159. Liberal parties should stick to their values, not become "right wing lite" to appease rw xenophobes. |
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Capt_Nemo
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Tue Dec-01-09 08:13 AM Response to Reply #159 |
160. Amazing, isn't it? |
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Tue Dec-01-09 08:15 AM Response to Reply #159 |
161. Your last sentence is absolutely right |
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Mon Nov-30-09 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
155. Rights watchdog hints Swiss minaret ban could go |
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