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Newsjock
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Fri Jan-22-10 09:05 PM Original message |
Court Reduces ‘Shocking’ File Sharing Award |
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sakabatou
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Fri Jan-22-10 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. The MPAA are such fuckers... |
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apnu
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Mon Jan-25-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
56. Well i this case it is the RIAA, but who can tell the difference? (nt) |
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DJ13
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Fri Jan-22-10 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
2. So $54,000 for 24 songs isnt shocking to that judge? |
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Warpy
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Fri Jan-22-10 09:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. How much would it have cost her to download those tunes legally? |
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Jkid
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Fri Jan-22-10 09:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. 54 Dollars. |
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boppers
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Fri Jan-22-10 09:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Download count + downloaded share count? |
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mainer
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Sat Jan-23-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. precisely. File sharing is potentially millions of bucks in losses. |
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boppers
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Sat Jan-23-10 05:46 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Well, I wouldn't call unlicensed use "robbery". |
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mainer
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Sat Jan-23-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. it depends on whether you think creative work has any value |
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Sat Jan-23-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. I've recorded professionally, actually, you could find it on iTunes, and in most music stores. |
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mainer
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Sun Jan-24-10 09:51 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. "non-copyable artistic works"? |
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Kurska
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Sun Jan-24-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. "Pirates are too quick" and you won't sue a entire populace of downloaders into oblivion either. |
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mainer
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Sun Jan-24-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. You can't compete with a product version that's free |
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Kurska
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Sun Jan-24-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Yes, you can it has been done. |
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mainer
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Sun Jan-24-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. and the artist gets paid, how? A percentage of Pandora's take? |
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Kurska
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Sun Jan-24-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Generally? Pandora is like radio money, Zune and spotify's models are more complicated. |
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Sun Jan-24-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Non-copyable artistic work is original work, with provenance |
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mainer
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Sun Jan-24-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. How many non-copyable works can a band sell to make money? |
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boppers
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Sun Jan-24-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Last online band auction I saw netted $3,000 in 3 hours... better than many small-mid size gigs. |
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mainer
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Sun Jan-24-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. "True artists" are therefore condemned to struggle all their lives |
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mainer
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Sun Jan-24-10 07:11 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. "An afternoon of recording" |
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sendero
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Sun Jan-24-10 07:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
46. It doesn't matter.. |
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mainer
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Sun Jan-24-10 07:09 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. And in the system you advocate, how will ANYONE make a living? |
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sendero
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Mon Jan-25-10 05:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
63. Plenty of people do.. |
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Threedifferentones
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Sun Jan-24-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
42. The library comparison is very apt |
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mainer
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Sun Jan-24-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. no, it's not apt at all |
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Threedifferentones
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Mon Jan-25-10 05:02 PM Response to Reply #44 |
61. Just like we are stunne d you think wasting billions of dollars on lobbying and lawyers |
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apnu
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Mon Jan-25-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #28 |
57. Nothing is being stolen from the artists. |
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mainer
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Mon Jan-25-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. This artist would beg to differ. |
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apnu
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Mon Jan-25-10 05:52 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. And this is why I frequently noted "typical" recording artist. |
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totodeinhere
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Tue Jan-26-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
136. I will shed no tears for the recording industry no matter how much they lose. |
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Butch350
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Fri Jan-22-10 10:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. The key word here is, "Legally" |
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marshall
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Sat Jan-23-10 07:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
29. Isn't it distributing it to others that they prosecute? |
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jimshoes
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Fri Jan-22-10 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
3. $54.00 might have been a more |
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Jkid
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Fri Jan-22-10 09:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I agree, restrict the damages to the actual damage it caoused. |
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Hosnon
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Sun Jan-24-10 07:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
50. I disagree. The payment of interest isn't much of a deterrent. Without some sort of punitive |
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Meldread
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Fri Jan-22-10 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
8. Why laws against file sharing are ridiculous. |
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ManiacJoe
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Fri Jan-22-10 10:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Answers to your questions. |
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d_r
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Sat Jan-23-10 08:39 AM Response to Reply #9 |
18. songs |
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JoeyT
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Fri Jan-22-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. It's funny you mention recording on cassette. |
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regnaD kciN
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Fri Jan-22-10 10:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Wrong on almost every count... |
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Meldread
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Sat Jan-23-10 01:10 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Thanks to both you and ManiacJoe. |
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regnaD kciN
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Sat Jan-23-10 06:02 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Same here, but... |
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mainer
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Sat Jan-23-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. so how do you send money to artists you love if you're stealing from them? |
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Meldread
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Sun Jan-24-10 07:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
51. Who said I stole anything? |
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mr clean
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Sat Jan-23-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. Jay Brannan is cool! |
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BuddhaGirl
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Sat Jan-23-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. not only that, but my local library has all kinds of CD's |
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Arkana
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Fri Jan-22-10 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
13. The RIAA is the worst fucking thing to happen to this country since smallpox. |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak
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Fri Jan-22-10 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
14. Hell, alledgedly our FAX MACHINE is file sharing |
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davidpdx
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Fri Jan-22-10 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
15. Glad to hear the amount was reduced, but that's still a huge sum |
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dixiegrrrrl
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Sat Jan-23-10 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
19. Let's not overlook another important part of the story: |
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fascisthunter
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Sat Jan-23-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. ding, ding, ding |
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David__77
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Sat Jan-23-10 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
21. The days of having to pay for music or movies are gone. |
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mainer
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Sat Jan-23-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. so -- hollywood and musicians should just work for free? |
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Kurska
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Sun Jan-24-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #22 |
32. No, more accurately the days of spending a dollar a ong or 20 bucks a dvd are over |
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Threedifferentones
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Sun Jan-24-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
43. Its really simple Mainer |
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mainer
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Sun Jan-24-10 06:44 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I am an artist, too. I earn my money through sales |
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NYC Liberal
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Mon Jan-25-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #45 |
53. "How does the creator make any living off those who are taking his work without paying?" |
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mainer
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Mon Jan-25-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Again: how does the creator make any income from his creation? |
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NYC Liberal
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Mon Jan-25-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. And again, you still have no proof that someone who downloaded your album, |
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mainer
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Mon Jan-25-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. You can't answer my question, can you? |
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NYC Liberal
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Mon Jan-25-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #62 |
86. No, the business plan of old is not viable. |
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pengillian101
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Sat Feb-06-10 12:08 AM Response to Reply #62 |
145. mainer |
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Orrex
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Tue Jan-26-10 12:38 AM Response to Reply #60 |
92. That's a red herring |
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NYC Liberal
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Tue Jan-26-10 06:02 AM Response to Reply #92 |
98. I'm not rationalizing anything, I'm explaining it. |
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Orrex
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Tue Jan-26-10 08:29 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Well, your explanations are identical to the rationalizations used to justify the tjheft |
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NYC Liberal
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Tue Jan-26-10 09:20 AM Response to Reply #100 |
111. It isn't a theft, as has been explained over and over. |
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Orrex
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Tue Jan-26-10 09:35 AM Response to Reply #111 |
116. It is copyright infringement AND it is theft. |
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NYC Liberal
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Tue Jan-26-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #116 |
122. You're wrong, again: |
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Orrex
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Tue Jan-26-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #122 |
123. I have no doubt that you see it that way. |
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NYC Liberal
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Tue Jan-26-10 10:10 AM Response to Reply #123 |
125. So does the law. |
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Orrex
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Tue Jan-26-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #125 |
130. Citation, please |
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MilesColtrane
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Tue Jan-26-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #45 |
129. I'm afraid the points you've made will never be accepted by some. |
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mainer
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Sun Jan-24-10 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
47. I confess: I am a supporter of musicians |
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Throd
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Mon Jan-25-10 03:38 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. I don't like paying for shit so I demonize the industry to excuse my theft. |
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Orrex
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Tue Jan-26-10 01:10 AM Response to Reply #58 |
94. Well, then that's okay. |
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New Dawn
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Mon Jan-25-10 03:42 AM Response to Original message |
52. Fuck the RIAA and all of their minions. |
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yankee2
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Mon Jan-25-10 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
55. Favoritism toward Corporations vs the Condemnation of individuals |
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onenote
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Mon Jan-25-10 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
65. how many people who say unauthorized downloading isn't theft applauded the lawsuits brought |
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Mon Jan-25-10 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
66. kick |
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Mon Jan-25-10 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
67. Judge Slashes 'Monstrous' Fine in Music Piracy Case |
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Mon Jan-25-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. We pay judges too much if $54,000 is "no longer monstrous and shocking." |
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Bolo Boffin
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Mon Jan-25-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. He says he was "constrained" from reducing it further. |
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Orrex
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Mon Jan-25-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Excellent |
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Mon Jan-25-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. if i was hit with a $54,000 fine |
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BrklynLiberal
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Mon Jan-25-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. I could never pay it....To me $54,000 would still be monstrous. |
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Orrex
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Mon Jan-25-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. I'm not saying that it's a sweetheart of a deal, but it's arguably more reasonable |
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Mon Jan-25-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. K&R - Finally a judge with some sense |
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Mon Jan-25-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Except that they aren't buying it |
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Orrex
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Mon Jan-25-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. A friend of mine used to do Praise music and had cut his own CDs |
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Mon Jan-25-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Well lets shut down the libraries too! |
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Orrex
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Mon Jan-25-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. That must be a funny joke, since it has nothing to do with the point. |
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Mon Jan-25-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. If you read a book and dont pay the author, why is that not theft? |
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Orrex
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Tue Jan-26-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #81 |
91. Because the copyright holder authorized the production of the library's copy of the book |
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mainer
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Tue Jan-26-10 08:55 AM Response to Reply #81 |
104. Libraries buy tons of books -- and only lend it out one at a time. |
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WeekendWarrior
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Wed Jan-27-10 02:46 AM Response to Reply #81 |
142. Libraries Pay for the Books they Loan |
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Mon Jan-25-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. You are wrong. |
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Orrex
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Tue Jan-26-10 12:10 AM Response to Reply #83 |
88. Do you honestly think that the test of legality is whether or not you get caught? |
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Tue Jan-26-10 01:51 AM Response to Reply #88 |
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Mon Jan-25-10 08:36 PM Response to Reply #74 |
82. Um.. sorry, but you are NOT going to convince me that sharing music is theft |
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Orrex
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Tue Jan-26-10 12:15 AM Response to Reply #82 |
89. Bully for your friend. If he allows the work to be copied and distributed, then there's no problem |
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Tue Jan-26-10 01:53 AM Response to Reply #89 |
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Tue Jan-26-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #82 |
105. You don't know anything about what writers are saying |
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Orrex
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Tue Jan-26-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #105 |
118. Excellent post |
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Tue Jan-26-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #105 |
131. Sheesh. I've seen what Harlan and Ursula LeGuin have said and I don't buy it |
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mainer
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Tue Jan-26-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. the average writer probably makes way less than you do |
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Tue Jan-26-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. Look. If I take money from a janitor, he no longer has it. If I copy something, the original still |
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mainer
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Tue Jan-26-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #133 |
134. "I'll break the law because I can." Yeah, that's a great attitude. |
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Orrex
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Tue Jan-26-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. It's funny how nominal progressives deplore the free market |
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WeekendWarrior
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Wed Jan-27-10 02:29 AM Response to Reply #131 |
139. Your Ignorance Astounds Me |
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Orrex
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Mon Jan-25-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. If some people choose to share it, that's called theft |
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Mon Jan-25-10 08:39 PM Response to Reply #77 |
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Mon Jan-25-10 09:58 PM Response to Reply #77 |
87. Theft inherently deprives someone of property |
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Orrex
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Tue Jan-26-10 12:19 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. You have obtained something that you had no right to obtain. |
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NYC Liberal
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Tue Jan-26-10 06:08 AM Response to Reply #90 |
99. Wrong, it is copyright infringement, not theft. |
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Orrex
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Tue Jan-26-10 08:31 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Theft of intellectual property is theft |
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NYC Liberal
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Tue Jan-26-10 09:08 AM Response to Reply #101 |
107. And again, it is a crime and wrong, but it is not theft. Period. |
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Orrex
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Tue Jan-26-10 09:17 AM Response to Reply #107 |
110. The intellectual property is the property of the copyright holder |
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NYC Liberal
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Tue Jan-26-10 09:24 AM Response to Reply #110 |
113. Really? I "have a stolen copy"? |
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Orrex
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Tue Jan-26-10 09:30 AM Response to Reply #113 |
114. The only possibility here is that you're being deliberately obtuse |
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NYC Liberal
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Tue Jan-26-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #114 |
120. Someone is being obtuse here, but it isn't me. |
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mainer
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Tue Jan-26-10 08:51 AM Response to Reply #99 |
102. That's why it's called "intellectual property". Because it is property |
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NYC Liberal
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Tue Jan-26-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #102 |
108. It is not an issue of supporting it. I do not, maybe others here do. |
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onenote
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Tue Jan-26-10 09:01 AM Response to Reply #99 |
106. so do you think a bunch of people here should apologize to mccain |
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NYC Liberal
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Tue Jan-26-10 09:15 AM Response to Reply #106 |
109. I don't care if they apologize. It's not stealing. |
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Orrex
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Tue Jan-26-10 09:23 AM Response to Reply #109 |
112. Why is it important to you to pretend that it isn't theft? |
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NYC Liberal
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Tue Jan-26-10 09:32 AM Response to Reply #112 |
115. So we should just pretend things are what they aren't and say nothing? |
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Orrex
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Tue Jan-26-10 09:40 AM Response to Reply #115 |
117. Ah, yes. The old "this argument doesn't matter to me anyway" argument |
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onenote
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Tue Jan-26-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #115 |
119. so what do you call identity "theft"? |
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mainer
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Tue Jan-26-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Excellent point. |
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NYC Liberal
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Tue Jan-26-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #119 |
124. Identity theft is fraud. nt |
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onenote
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Tue Jan-26-10 11:08 AM Response to Reply #124 |
127. you may want to contact congress and the FTC |
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mainer
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Tue Jan-26-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #124 |
128. and copyright infringement is illegal |
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WeekendWarrior
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Wed Jan-27-10 02:37 AM Response to Reply #87 |
140. My Intellectual Property |
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Tue Jan-26-10 01:56 AM Response to Reply #77 |
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Mon Jan-25-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #67 |
75. $54,000 FOR STEALING $24 |
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Tue Jan-26-10 08:53 AM Response to Reply #75 |
103. You should read the case. She's not just a thief, she's a liar. |
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Tue Jan-26-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #103 |
137. Even if all that is true, $54,000 is too much for just telling a lie. |
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WeekendWarrior
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Wed Jan-27-10 02:40 AM Response to Reply #75 |
141. No, they'd go to jail. |
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Mon Jan-25-10 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
85. I think racism played a factor in the amount of the award |
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TexasObserver
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Tue Jan-26-10 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
93. Not surprised. It was a ridiculous verdict. |
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LanternWaste
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Tue Jan-26-10 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
126. Good. I think the original judgment amount bordered on the absurd. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave
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Tue Jan-26-10 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
138. Guess she should have settled for the 5 k they initially offered to settle for. |
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Wed Jan-27-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #138 |
143. That i s just like you... |
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Wed Jan-27-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #143 |
144. You've got me pegged. |
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Sat Feb-06-10 01:20 AM Response to Original message |
146. Have these file sharing cases even put a dent in illegal downloads? |
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