Vandals hit at least five Dem offices nationwide, threaten to ‘assassinate’ children of pro-reform l

[kpete]

Source: Think Progress

Vandals hit at least five Dem offices nationwide, threaten to ‘assassinate’ children of pro-reform lawmakers.

Yesterday, ThinkProgress reported that several Democratic offices around the nation had been vandalized in the days surrounding the House health care vote. Vandals have struck the Tuscon office of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ), the Monroe County Democratic Committee headquarters in upstate New York, Rep. Louise Slaughter’s (D-NY) Niagara Falls office, the Knox County Democratic headquarters in Ohio, and the Sedgwick County Democratic Party headquarters in Wichita, KS. The local Rochester ABC affiliate now has more information on the upstate NY vandalism, including an assassination threat against the children of lawmakers who voted for health reform:

No one was inside when the brick was hurled through the Democratic Patry Headquarters on University Avenue. Attached was a note quoting conservative Barry Goldwater: “Exremism in defense of liberty is no vice”. <...>

Slaughter has been at the center of the push for reform. Last Thursday she received a chilling recorded message at her campaign office. “Assassinate is the word they used…toward the children of lawmakers who voted yes.”
http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/Health-Care-Reform-Leads-to-Threats/TAZWZcNqz0aapIAGYDut-A.cspx



Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/23/slaughter-threats/

[FiveGoodMen]

1. In case anyone missed it, the second civil war has already started.

[chill_wind]

4. I think we can very safely call it organized domestic terrorism

and hope such charges and the full brunt of the law is brought to bear quickly.

[Richard Steele]

96. It is the very TEXTBOOK DEFINITION of "Terrorism". Too bad US media trumps US law nowadays.

The people who did this will NOT be hunted;
if accidentaly caught, they will not be prosecuted.

You know that.
I know that.
They know that.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

123. Red alert! We are being attacked by terrorists!

[mistajefferson]

huh?

Lost me there.

[timtom]

168. Has anyone considered these acts

to be the work of agents provocateur? The motive being, perhaps, the institution of more repressive population control and more invasive surveillance.

[Peggy Day]

181. Interesting theory

Hadn't thought of that. That will happen sometimes.

Some of those people are just nuts though.

[timtom]

284. I agree with you, Peggy Day.

It was a question than popped into my mind.

[wordpix]

182. gun nuts coming to National Mall & nearby VA national park Apr. 19

And they're "open carry" in VA complete with ammo hanging around their necks. Apr. 19 date is significant "Christmas Day" for the gun nuts - Branch Davidian burned and Okla. Fed. Bldg bombed that day

http://muster4-19.ning.com/photo/your-rights-use-em-or-lose-em?context=latest

http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com/

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?p=1396901

http://teaparty.freedomworks.org/events/tax-day-rally-april-15march

http://www.resistnet.com/group/virginiaresistance/forum/topics/restore-the-constitution-rally?xg_source=activity

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=33229

snip: Objective:
1. Unite as many as will come to the edge of Washington, D.C. to rally in support and defense of the Constitution of the United States of America and to stand, armed and united, with our brothers and sisters ...
2. Exercise our God given rights to assembly and freedom of speech ...
3. To show our elected servants in DC and the state capitals that we will not stand by idly while their corruption, dishonesty, and outright violations of our country’s founding principles destroy the American Republic...snip

From this blog:
snip

Right now, most people fear the government. Sure, there are a lot of sunshine patriots who go on internet forums and spout patriotic rhetoric, but quickly tuck tail in legs when it is obvious that more steps may be required as the political class completely ignore them...However, what do you think their reaction would be if the same number of people showed up across the Potomac armed? Certainly would give some of them pause....Keep on moving your line in the sand back and achieve temporary safety, but don't be surprised when they don't stop until they achieve all of their goals.

http://www.examiner.com/x-2581-St-Louis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m3d10-April-19th-Libertys-show-of-force

snip: "What I really want to talk about, though, is another event on April 19th--not at all far from the main march in D.C. itself. I refer to the Restore the Constitution Rally, mustering at Ft. Hunt National Park, and from there, moving to Gravelly Point Park--only about a mile from the D.C National Mall. Why a separate rally, near D.C., but not in it? Because the point of the Restore the Constitution Rally is for it to be a visibly (peaceably) armed rally..."

[mahatmakanejeeves]

187. "mustering at Ft. Hunt National Park, and from there, moving to Gravelly Point Park"

That will ruin the plane spotting.

April 19 is a Monday. I hope these guys use the Pentagon Metro stop. Imagine the fireworks.

[wordpix]

188. I have an issue with an armed gang taking over a national park 10 mi. from the Mall

That is not the purpose of a national park. I just wrote to the NPS to let them know my concern:

http://www.nps.gov/NCR/sendmail.htm?o=%3B3%29%2B6JZ%2B%20NJR1J1JA<1*EJ4.34J>2II_16!%22X%0A&r=/gwmp/contacts.htm

[PavePusher]

249. Your link is broken.

In the meantime, you seem to have issues with the Constitution. Try not to walk in the footsteps of the previous administrations, m'kay...?

[wordpix]

265. huh? I have issues with the Constitution bc I don't like an armed gang in a national park?

or under airplanes? Or 10 mi from the National Mall where there bros are meeting?

I have a right not to trust the Kristallnacht and gun nut crowd. You go ahead and defend their right to take over a national park, though, and be fully armed as the planes take off. Good luck

[PavePusher]

266. They are not "taking over" a park.

And they are of almost no danger to the planes. (I'm in military aviation maintenance. Pull the other one...)

You seem to want to restrict their First, Second, Fourth, Ninth and Tenth Amendment Rights.

And you are manufacturing and fostering unwarranted hysteria in the bargin. There are plenty of actual issues to rail against, pick one and go for it. But we all lose credibility when some of us just make stuff up.

[PavePusher]

269. P.S. By your own admission they are legal Citizens...

they went through channels and got a permit and everything. Legal Civil Rights all around.

What is the problem here?

[bikebloke]

211. Gravelly Point is known to locals as...

"Where-you-watch-the-planes-take-off-and-land".

And Fort Hunt is where high schoolers go to get stoned.

[wordpix]

246. oh that's great to have an armed gang right under the planes taking off

I sure won't be flying in or out of National on Apr. 19

[zanana1]

296. Nuts with guns.

Yup. Common sense reigns.

[vaberella]

200. Sounds a bit like a conspiracy theory.

We have enough evidence of possible violence from these clowns over the last months that I would probably rule that out.

[timtom]

283. Actually, it isn't a theory at all.

It was a question: "Has anyone considered the possibility...?"

So, I am guessing your answer would be "I haven't. No."

[RaleighNCDUer]

223. 'Agents provocateur' are government agents committing crimes that

the enemies of the government will be blamed for - are you saying Obama is behind this?

[timtom]

256. Are there any other people or agencies within government

that would, other than Obama?

[RaleighNCDUer]

275. So the government is setting up the poor, virtuous teabaggers?

:rofl:

[timtom]

280. I don't understand your reply.

Do you have attribution for your claim? Or are you asking a mocking rhetorical question. And, in so doing, what are you saying about my asking a question? Do you believe I already have an answer? Do you believe I have reached a conclusion?

I love to ask questions, especially here in DU. There is a cadre of people who have all the answers, but supply none.

You're too clever by half, young feller me lad.

[RaleighNCDUer]

281. have a nice cup of tea. nt

[timtom]

282. Wow.

Not so clever, after all.

Let's play a little game, shall we?

Compare your answers to my question with the other answers and see if you can spot the difference. See if you can determine the one quality that makes your response the "thorn among roses," as it were.

Betcha can't.

[RaleighNCDUer]

286. No, they also believe your question to be nonsense.

And to me it smacks of Foxian "Could Obama be a secret muslim?", like we're supposed to take the question seriously.

I have no fucking patience with that crap after the last 8 years.

[timtom]

287. Once again, Junior...

It's about TONE!

Look it up. Meanwhile...nah...I won't pull the plug yet...

[RaleighNCDUer]

288. Fuck tone.

Content.

[timtom]

289. Okay, let's talk about content.

"And to me it smacks of Foxian "Could Obama be a secret muslim?", like we're supposed to take the question seriously.

I have no fucking patience with that crap after the last 8 years."

"Leave Obama alone!!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

(BTW, my question had nothing to do with Obama at all.)

[RaleighNCDUer]

290. Actually, your question had nothing to do with reality at all. nt

[timtom]

291. Then, if that's how you feel, why have you engaged in this long badinage?

[RaleighNCDUer]

293. Because I'm no longer married

and I miss fighting for the last word.

[timtom]

294. LOL!

Peace out, my friend.

[RaleighNCDUer]

301. ...

:fistbump:

[zanana1]

297. Wow. You mean someone left a guy like you? I'm incredulous! nt

[kenfrequed]

255. Doubtful.

I don't think this is a likely scenario.

Look at the drumbeat against socialism and imagine someone watching hundreds of hours of Glenn Beck and believing every dribbling syllable that flows from his lips.

What is the motive for repressive population control and invasive surveillance?

I can tell you why they did it during the Bush administration, but why now?

The problem with this kind of conspiracism is that it mistakes method with motive. I will grant you that, historically, some forces do seek to engage in these behavoirs but it is usually done with something in mind.

[timtom]

285. Great answer!

Logic, clarity, style.

I agree. This doesn't really fit the pattern.

[sfwriter]

270. A man shot at my friends with a shot gun... He wanted to kill their children...

He was hopped up on Hannity and Michael Savage, out to kill liberals, so he targeted the Unitarian church in my home town of Knoxville.

Around the same time, another man started shooting at a Jewish center...

Another killed Dr. Tiller...

A few weeks back, one flew a plane into an IRS building.

No, I guess Agents Provocateur doesn't make it past Occam's Razor for me, but maybe that's just me.

Personally, I've had a man try and run me over when I was placing Clinton signs in 1992 and I had death threats in the 2000 election, so I'm sort of soured on the right and their ability to control themselves.

I believe they have a high level of fear and a low level of empathy, leading to less self-control in this area.

[zanana1]

302. I think you're right about that.

I also think they lack self control. They don't have the control or the patience to wait for election day; they're bullies, and they have to have their way. They're doing it themselves, all right.

[SteveM]

237. Why do federal LEOs have such a hard time hunting down right-wing terrorists?

Lack of job experience.

[MadMaddie]

268. Because the right wing terrorist hide behind their religion as a

shield, LEO's also have Ruby Ridge and Waco in the back of their minds when contemplating taking on these nuts.

Timothy McVeigh redux is waiting in the shadows.......it's just a matter of time.

[Xenotime]

112. Police force isn't enough to stop these terrorists. We need a greater force.

[Lagomorph]

159. What, troops, paramilitary forces?

Be careful what you wish for.

It's a few windbags throwing bricks and making threats. No different than Anarchists or the 60's anti-war crowd. The bomb throwers haven't even come out yet and we've had plenty of that over the past 50 years.

[vaberella]

202. True, but I don't doubt they're far behind. n/t

[L0oniX]

212. So I'm an anarchist if I am in the anti-war crowd? People like you make DU suck.

[Lagomorph]

271. Well let's see...

Radical antiwar protesters bombed Ft Lawton in Seattle...

Broke into the selective service offices and poured blood on the records.

The ELF firebombed the University of Washington.

Not to mention all the firebombed homes in the area that the ELF likes to take credit for.

Then during WTO, anarchists smashed countless windows and looted shops all over downtown Seattle.

There's plenty of suckage to go around. I just don't see why anybody is surprised. I don't support any of it, but the book of disobedience has already been written by all sorts of anarchists and radicals.

We got through all that without calling out the military and rounding up the dissidents, so if the feds march in and start doing it, it's a bad thing.

[L0oniX]

273. "Anarchists or the 60's anti-war crowd" ..."or" nice attack on the "anti-war crowd"...

...so you lump us all together with the criminal element. Yea right ...all of us peace loving anti war types just love to destroy and kill. :crazy:

You measure a democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.- Abbie Hoffman

[Lagomorph]

295. The stoney silence in the face of...

the more extreme elements of the anti war crowd did all the talking. Not only the lack of condemnation, but the delighted support they received. The face of the anti war crowd is presented by unforgettable images that simply overwhelm acceptable behavior, just like a few redneck, racist assholes are presented as the public face of the Tea Party.

I'm all for protesting, dissidence and social change, but I'd like to see the body count kept to a minimum and I sure as Hell don't want to see the government opening up any prison camps for political protesters.

People go ballistic when protesters are arrested, fined and released. Wanting somebody dead is a long way from being an actual threat.

As much as I like Obama, sometimes I wish the entire Congress would drop dead. Doesn't mean I'm going to do it.

[amandabeech]

277. This isn't even close to the '60s, which I watched on TV as a kid

and young adolescent. It looks like you were closer to that action.

After all, there was a huge immigration reform march this weekend and nothing happened. If it were the '60s, there would have been tear gas, barricades and baby blue helmets.

In additional historical contexts, there are no stories about mobile armed gangs shooting up towns in Missouri and Kansas, and no one has attempted to take over an armory anywhere.

This could take off, of course, but I'm not seeing the signs yet.

[vaberella]

201. You give me the feeling we're going to have to call martial law in some states. n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

292. We already have a greater force.

It's called the constitution, and democracy.

[mistajefferson]

215. I agree

Exactly - what's next?

[RaleighNCDUer]

222. So was the Potowatamie Massacre.

I think FGM is right.

[GentryDixon]

6. Thank Glenn Beck.

Even the Mormons are having second thoughts about this freak.

[liberalmike27]

41. You got that right

We need to get that shit off television. These folks are stoking the fires of racism, which is worse than yelling fire in the theater. FOx has gone way past yelling fire in a theater, where there is none.

Time to use the Patriot Act on these domestic terrorists, I think. Waterboard them--I'm sure they won't mind, since they are the same bunch that thinks it isn't torture.

[mistajefferson]

214. exactly!

That's just it. How much longer until this hate turns into terrorism. They're about to make Bill Ayers look like the mother theresa.

[Botany]

51. egg zack lee

I was sick so i watched about about 10 minutes of him today

Bottom line in his twisted ass logic ........

Founding Fathers = Godly Patriots

Obama, Pelosi, and the dems = Marxist Socialist

So are you w/ God or are you with the big government that will strip your freedoms
and plunge the nation into a Godless hell of debt and Marxism?

Gotta fight back against "these evil forces" in out land.

[awoke_in_2003]

54. "Marxist Socialist"

I thought he was a socialist fascist. Wish they would keep their epithets straight.

[Botany]

59. He really is quite dense

His black board lessons are wild. Just because you draw a line from one subject to another doesn't
mean anything ...... he was almost a parody of Jon Stewart's epic take off of him.

Jesus had a beard ...... draw line ...... ayatollah .... OMG Jesus is a Muslim :rofl:

The problem is that Beck's mind poison is sucked up by the weak minded
who act out in violence thinking that they are "freedom fighters."

[awoke_in_2003]

61. I think Olberman

calls it "Beck's Blackboard of Crazy" :)

[CLANG]

89. Sounds a lot like a koolaid cult

[dogfacedboy]

142. I thought he was a Kenyan Muslim...

[Enthusiast]

164. That too. nt

[jmowreader]

155. He's a Marxist socialist fascist Nazi Muslim with an insane un-American minister

who's intent on turning every Christian church into a mosque.

[zbdent]

163. I thought he was a corporatist socialist ...

:silly:

[howaboutme]

90. The leaders must be held accountable

just as would any fire and brimstone preacher calling for violence on the street corner. I'm all for individual free speech and the right to congregate and complain and demonstrate....about all issues but not for the rights of individuals with megaphones on the airwaves and TV convincing millions of listeners to incite violence. It all comes down to scope of their influence and the direction of the message.

[wordpix]

97. don't forget insHannity, Palin, DrugRush & the Marlboro Man (Boner)

and all the other jackbooted thug propagandists

[certainot]

127. when will left finally start getting their reps backs by picketing RW radio stations?

that's where it starts. beck was radio first and that's where he gets the most mileage with more time and a larger audience. then limbaugh and hannity and all the rest all together - that's where the heavy lifting is done- fox just puts a visual on it.

universities are in with these guys through athletic programs and need to look elsewhere- students and faculty should demand it.

[vaberella]

203. No doubt. I'm so upset about this. FOX needs to be shut down. n/t

[SteveM]

238. The far-right would LOVE what you advocate.

[vaberella]

262. Why? I thought they lived for Beck? n/t

[mistajefferson]

213. yikes

what does that tell you? yikes!

[LiberalLoner]

9. THANK YOU - someone besides me sees this for what it is!

[vaberella]

204. You're not alone. n/t

[eugoreht]

298. Zapatista when you say that!

[apnu]

10. Fine, we'll kick their asses too. (nt)

[mistajefferson]

217. haha

good one.

[aquart]

15. That is a ridiculous remark.

As if democracy runs smoothly and without dissent.

[Deep13]

36. This is criminal, not dissent. nt

[Divine Discontent]

129. he has quite different views than most. I cannot see how he doesn't see this is 100% different than

'dissent'.

It's threatened violence and acts of violence that imply more is coming. They are scary and need reigned in.

[vaberella]

205. Exactly. n/t

[whathehell]

152. Yes...The time to take this seriously is NOW.

[awoke_in_2003]

56. threatening assassination...

is not dissent. Not quite civil war, but not dissent, either.

[RoccoR5955]

63. threatening assassination is TREASON!!! n/t

[awoke_in_2003]

68. Does that apply

to congress people's children?

on edit: just want to make it clear, they should be arrested, tried, and locked up because it is at least criminal.

[PSzymeczek]

95. Communicating a threat

is a crime. Doesn't matter whom the threat is against.

[awoke_in_2003]

227. never said it wasn't

I was questioning whether it was treason.

[RoccoR5955]

119. Check the link below

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=treason

[dogfacedboy]

140. Actually, it's sedition. n/t

[RoccoR5955]

173. Same penalty, isn't it? n/t

[damntexdem]

17. In case anyone missed it, these are serious felonies that need to be investigated.

And the perpetrators brought to justice.

[vaberella]

206. I don't think anyone has missed that.

However the act itself is frightening enough to dominate the conversation.

[SteveM]

239. I'm sure MSM will give this MASSIVE coverage. Yep. Any time, now.

[NHDEMFORLIFE]

258. They can't be bothered

They're too busy letting ass faces like Mitch McConnell bloviate at will, repeating the same drivel they've been mumbling for a year.

[Lionel Mandrake]

278. Believe it or not, the LA Times covered it this morning.

Better late than never.

[ClusterFreak]

22. Hyperbole much?

:eyes:

Let's at least try to keep the Chicken Little stuff out of the conversation, you know, at least until the sky starts falling.

[FiveGoodMen]

23. Once the sky starts falling, it's too late.

[CLANG]

91. What if the land starts flying?

[eugoreht]

299. it's the not the land flying...

I'm worried about, it's the bullets flying. and falling.

[Suji to Seoul]

64. Threatening assassination against children is not hyperhole

It's called a felony.

Suppose someone made the same threat against your child.

[ClusterFreak]

264. Threatening assassination IS called a felony.

But Civil War is countless light years away from that.

The the poster I originally responded to was opining about Civil War.

Hence my remark.

[AlbertCat]

32. In case anyone missed it, the second civil war has already started.

But not in the south.... AZ...NY....KS

[Name removed]

161. Deleted message

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[Zoeisright]

177. It never ended in the South. The losers wouldn't let it end.

That's the big problem with the South.

[vaberella]

207. You're right. And I've heard clowns in congress who have bassed emancipation.

Dear God..what are we up against.

[RaleighNCDUer]

225. Oh, hell, in the south the first one never ended. nt

[wial]

35. we'll win though

by instead of "assassinating" their kids, giving them good health care, good educations so when they grow up they'll view their reactionary parents with irritated pity at best, and the world will be a much much better place.

[FiveGoodMen]

53. That would be nice, but it's MIGHTY optimistic

[wial]

94. oh I know, but

as Robert Thurman said, we must take the responsibility of daring to hope things could be much better than they are now much sooner than anyone thinks.

How else is it going to happen.

[Voice for Peace]

103. +1 nt

[vaberella]

208. +1. n/t

[CLANG]

92. Maybe they'll even pay for their parents "blue pills".

:spank:

[ProgressOnTheMove]

156. +1.

[RaleighNCDUer]

226. The problem with that is, when one side starts shooting, the other

WILL shoot back - and it's hard to bring the kids over to your side when you've just shot their pa.

Reminder - Branch Davidians. They stockpiled illegal automatic weapons, there were rumors of child abuse. The government goes to arrest the leader and they start shooting at the government men. End result, 80+ cultists and 4 government agents killed, the militia movement explodes and two years later the Murrah Federal Building is blown up as a direct response to the Waco disaster.

There are tens of thousands - maybe hundreds of thousands - who will NEVER trust the government because some jackass in Waco started shooting at AFT agents.

Who knows what will happen as a result of these incidents?

[Dave Caputo]

73. Let's hope there's no shooting

A couple of idiots who can't spell throwing bricks is bad enough, but shooting is much worse.

Let's keep the actual conflict to a dull roar, neh?

Wars of words are one thing, and some people are very sore losers, but the larger collective consciousness needs to take over and calm things down.

We'll all be the worse for wear if it doesn't, so we should all help.

[FiveGoodMen]

76. I certainly DO hope there's no shooting

But I think they're getting warmed up for that.

[Hestia]

78. Excellent advice Dave and one that I will personally take to heart and use here

[DonCoquixote]

115. With Malice toward all

and with charity toward none.

The Neo-Confederates had better consider the fact that if they keep pushing, they very well may be forced into a REAL reconstruction, one that would not allow the same powerbrokers to return.

[pundaint]

125. Anarchy would be a more appropriate characterization. The people are not really polarized. Some of

the angry ones just don't yet understand which institutions are really responsible for their pain. If they figure it out, it will then be a Revolution. Any of you People feel the need to take up arms against the stupid among us? I do not mean to downplay the danger of stupid - it's a real problem.

The Southern Poverty Law Center took down the KKK with civil litigaton taking their assets as penalties for inciting bad behavior. If a causal link to Republican dolts or Fox News can be made the victims can go after Fox, or Murdock, or Republican assets. That would not make me sad at all.

[anitamurie]

141. Glenn Beck and cohorts

Has anyone read Mike Vanderboegh's blog?  He's the guy
claiming responsibility for the broken windows at Democratic
HQ around the nation.  I'm afraid these guys are serious!  He
is talking about a new civil war and he will be speaking at a
gun rally in Virginia on April 19th (the crazy militia
movement's Christmas day. The same date of Waco and the
bombing of the Federal building in Ok. What bothers me the
most is these guys'ties to Faux and Glenn Beck?  Watch his
show for just a couple of minutes any night and you'll see
where they get their ideas.  This dude's, (Vanderboegh),script
is right off of Beck's show.   One of the guys arrested in the
capital on Sunday was a Beck 9/12er. The media needs to do a
much better job exposing this guy (Beck) and others like him
on faux before another Timothy McVay type terrorist act!

[pundaint]

146. So some yahoos are calling it a civil war. What are the two sides?

[eugoreht]

300. waiting for the big excuses being funny

Just like Rush "Pill Popper" Limbaugh, Glen "Lonesome Roads" Beck is going to claim he's not responsible because he's just a comedian doing comedy. Even though he tells eveybody how serious he is and how everyone should believe the truth he's telling them, at the end of the dupe he sees himself as a comic being crazy and whacky and edgy. He's the modern day Will Rogers in his own mind.

For god's sake he can't even tell the truth about meeting the "The View" women on a train without twisting it around to make it sound they are the ones being spiteful liberals. They actually invited him on the show and ccalled him on it. Telling him point blank that that's not how the meeting on the train actually went, and he admitted he had it wrong when he told it on his radio program. And his excuse for completely making up a story about how their meeting actually happened and for making up a story that made them look like stuck up bitches? He doesn't know... he must have had a brain freeze when he told that story on his radio program. sheesh!

The only way to stop them is to make sure the other media doesn't let them have a pass and mostly to contact the advertisers of these idiot shows. Let their advertisers know that after a certain date if you see their product advertised on whichever show, Lonsome road's, Pill Popper's, O'really's... or who's ever... that you are going to stop buying their product forever...and that you are going to get others to stop buying their products and why... and then you have to stick to your promise and get others to do the same... no matter how much you like the product.

The only way to fight capitalists is to hit them where it hurts... Their Dicks? No, No, I mean their wallets.
(Shout out to It's Always Sunny in Philly for that joke)

[caseymoz]

126. No, it's still not at the civil war stage.

Right now we are at the threats and vandalism stage. Nobody has even been physically assaulted yet.

I'm not saying it isn't serious, but to call this scum "revolutionaries" instead of thugs and terrorists dignify their cause far too much. And it's a cause that they are swiftly discrediting.

[Lifelong Protester]

183. You're right, we are at the South Carolina Nullification Act

point... guns are being pointed at Ft. Sumter though, so let's be careful out there.

[caseymoz]

219. Since national health care has worked EVERYWHERE . . .

. . . and people in every country have never thought of going back to a private system, I don't see this issue sparking revolt here once it takes hold. I mean, it hasn't in any other country. If there are problems with this law, and there are quite a few, I see the nation moving more toward universal health care as it corrects them.

It will drive a stake into the heart of these Ayn Rand fantasists who think living in a world driven by selfishness and private interests is an ideal, which is really the only thing all the teabaggers and Republican social conservatives had in common.

In conclusion, as the law takes effect, I see these teabaggers as making themselves simply more unpopular as they resort to goon tactics. They won't spark a widespread rebellion, they simply make themselves and their "movement" into pariahs, socially, politically and historically.

In other words, there's no reason to worry about a civil war-- as of yet.

[olegramps]

172. When will the Republican terrorists start using car bombs?

[mahatmakanejeeves]

189. I wonder if I'll be drafted into the Virginia Militia,

under the command of Ken Cuccinelli.

DADT.

[Doctor_J]

276. How can it be a war when our side isn't fighting?

:shrug:

[FiveGoodMen]

279. Well, that's really what I'm getting at.

There's been a cold war between the left and right for some time.

But it's heating up.

The right is channeling most of its effort toward rousing the rabble of angry, fundie, easily-swayed, mostly white, mostly rural, mostly longing-for-the-old-South (whether they actually live there or not) bigots and it's working.

Meanwhile, the left -- or at least what representatives they've managed to elect -- has been trying to stay above the fray, thinking America will surely come to its senses and listen to reason.

That isn't working.

So I posted, "In case anyone missed it..."

[louis-t]

2. "Only God can take a life"

as they're killing people. They threaten children to 'protect' the unborn. :crazy:

[Duke Newcombe]

133. "...but any fool who can wield a frying pan owns Death"

That's what we need to be aware of.

I see a RICO lawsuit in FreedomWorks future for fomenting and supporting this cycle of violence.

[louis-t]

231. Hopefully, the nut that is encouraging brick-throwing

gets his, too.

[rocktivity]

3. Vandalism? No, terrorism.

Janet Napolitano needs to re-issue her report and retract her apology for being right about the potential for domestic terrorism by the right.

:mad:
rocktivity

[Nite Owl]

5. Yes, terrorism

call it what it is.
This is why the dems will still win in November, the right has gone totally to the looney dark side.

[damntexdem]

19. By the strong definition of terrorism.

Unlike the loose uses RW twits often sling about.

[Plucketeer]

13. I agree with the "Terrorism" terminology

And I think it's fermentation ought to be pursued with vigor.

And while not wishing to change the course of this topic, I've been saying (of course, I don't have an hour on Fox to say it) that we're under terroist attack and have been WELL BEFORE 9/11. The organized gangs that permeate our cities and suburbs are no less terror than the infamous 19 were. Innocent folks dying EVERY DAY, and it's dismissed as local hoodlum crime. We're too preoccupied chasing a couple hundred zealots thru the mountains half a globe away!

I hope Murdoc and Ailes get some blood spattered on their silk suits over these threats to legislators though. It's about time they're held responsible for the hate their fanning. :grr:

[aquart]

16. I would like to see them prosecuted as domestic terrorists.

Although that would only encourage their sense of martyrdom.

[Deep13]

37. Guess we're going to need Gitmo for a little longer. nt

[awoke_in_2003]

60. Nope. Run them through

our legal system and lock them up, just like the justice dept did under Clinton to the original WTC bombers (who are still in jail).

[Deep13]

176. Yeah, I was just being ironic. nt

[awoke_in_2003]

228. ok

:hi:

[Proletariatprincess]

7. Just imagine what would happen if the far left was vandalizing

right wing congressional offices and threatening children. Now imagine if it had happend under Ashcroft or some other reactionary AG. Martial Law would be declared. Everyone who posted on DU would be rounded up and interrorgated.
Just imagine.....

[martymar64]

55. What's good for the goose . . .

Time for a few Rethug offices to be vandalized or to suddenly inexplicably catch fire.

Disclaimer: Speaking rhetorically only.

[one_voice]

8. K&R

I think it's very important that we pay attention to this type of thing.

I started a thread about Sarah Palin releasing a "target list" and it's this kind of rhetoric that fuels these violent people. You've got Rush and his hateful speech and Rep. Steve King saying things like "beat them to a pulp" and there's bound to be nuts that take it literally. Truthfully I think they mean it literally.

We've got to be careful not excuse these people as a few nutjobs history has shown it only takes one to inflict tremendous damage. I believe that some of the followers of HannityLimbaughBeckPalin etc are dangerous people and long for a civil war, they want to see blood shed.

[SusanaMontana41]

65. This is a dangerous time

Nutcase Rethug teabaggers don't take defeat well. They already have assaulted a congressman. Wish he'd press charges.

Still waiting for the GOP leader who will disavow the violent rhetoric/tactics without adding a "... but" to his/her remarks. Their silence is deafening.

[RaleighNCDUer]

229. I think a great many of them are incapable of NOT taking it literally.

After all, they take the Bible as literal truth - no fable, no myth, no allegory, just absolute literal truth.

You can draw a direct line from one nutjob at Waco to the bombing of the OKC federal building.

[Maccagirl]

11. Dems need to smarten up, grow a spine and

start pressing charges instead of saying "The rhetoric needs to be toned down a little bit"..on Sunday gabfests. I'm sick of it.

[xchrom]

12. Republican 'talking heads' have been trying to channel T. Mcveigh -

They may very well succeed.

[goforit]

14. Wheres the FBI when ya need em

[Tesha]

20. Busy chaisin' brown people, not White Christian Republican Guys. (NT)

[madrchsod]

49. the fbi tracked me down within a week but did`t hide like these cowards

[DFW]

135. The FBI is now on this n/t

[Arkana]

18. I hope their resolve only hardens in the face of such ugliness.

[NecklyTyler]

21. Next we will have Tbaggers with a suicide bent flying planes into Democratic Campaign Head quarters

With people like Andrew Stack in the population, this vandalism / terrorism is going to become common

[TheEuclideanOne]

25. A Suicidal Tea bagger flying a plane into a building is like....

having your mother in law drive off a cliff in your new Mercedes.


Personally, I think that it is John McCain. He does own houses in each of those states and I can picture him watching Rambo, getting costumed up and going all Mavericky.

[slampoet]

24. Every dirty tricks operator the GOP recruits does one of these as an initiation before they go NATL

Rove was doing his during the 64-72 campaigns.

[Left Coast2020]

28. Everyone should write the FCC and demand they yank BecKKK

and all the other loonies off the air for inciting this crap. And if michelle bachman is behind this, throw her in jail too.

[jwirr]

120. Not just Beck - Murdoch's whole operation pushes this shit. Write the

FCC and complain about the whole network.

[RaleighNCDUer]

230. I'd say revoke his citizenship and send him back to Oz,

but that would be a dirty trick to play on Australia.

[LeftishBrit]

26. Targeting children is the lowest of the low.

This is a terrorist threat and needs to be treated as one, before it turns into more than a threat.

[Frank Cannon]

166. I would expect no less from this cowardly, filthy scum.

Remember all the children that Timothy McVeigh killed.

[LynneSin]

27. And these idiots call themselves pro-life

:grr:

[BluDemocratGirl]

45. Nope. Those ConservaDUMMIES are EXTREMELY Pro-Money, pro-power, and PRO-DEATH!

[muntrv]

80. Pro-FETUS, not life.

[struggle4progress]

29. Notice the great silence from the GOP: they demagogue their mobs,

violence and crime follows, and their silence denotes their consent

[AlbertCat]

33. and their silence denotes their consent

or their utter terror that it will turn on them if they say something. They are chickenhawk cowards after all.

[SeattleGirl]

130. My sig line is for people like them.

[PassingFair]

169. Silence? One of their Reps said we were DRIVING them to this behavior...

I can't remember which thug is was.

On Edit:

It was crazy man Devin Nunes of California,
who claims that it's OK for them to be racist and
homophobic because our totalitarian behavior is making
them that way.

http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/rep-devin-nunes-justifies-slurs-insults-of-tea/

[WCGreen]

30. who is acting like Hitler now....

[SusanaMontana41]

260. Teabaggers = Brownshirts?

I can see that.

[superconnected]

31. Pro lifers threating to assinate kids' of people whose political views they don't like.

Typical of them. I say we throw tea bags at these losers.

[The Genealogist]

34. They are terrorists

It is that simple. They are terrorists, and they should get what they preach American Muslim terrorists should get: enemy combatant status. Just because you are a WASP does not mean you cannot be a terrorist too.

[Deep13]

38. If this isn't treason, it is sedition at least.

The FBI means to find everyone of these assholes and treat them as America's enemies, which is what they are. This is what happens when you let anti-abortion nuts preach violence for twenty years without taking it seriously.

[sfwriter]

39. I've been collecting the bad behavior here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7992482&mesg_id=8000540

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

40. OMG, I'm living back in Alabama in 1964...

.. but it's the ENTIRE DANG COUNTRY NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HOW DID THAT HAPPEN!!!!????????????????????????????????????

[liberalmike27]

220. Think you got it bad

I actually lived in Alabama in 1964, and still do. Reading this, I'm wondering whether I should take my bumper stickers off the car. I hate that--I now live in a place where you can't even feel comfortable supporting the candidate of your choice, without fear some nutjob will vandalize your car.

[RaleighNCDUer]

232. It does make me wonder if my turn light being bashed out might not

have been just a common parking lot accident last week.

[troubledamerican]

42. Wikipedia: Dirty War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War

[Jefferson23]

43. For crying out loud, these people are disgusting. I look forward to their arrests and prosecutions.

Are we going to send them to Gitmo?

[onager]

44. More Barry Goldwater quotes...

...you WON'T be hearing from the lunatics:

"The Republican Party has been taken over by a bunch of kooks." (said in 1989, a reference to Pat Robertson. Wonder what he'd think nowadays?)

"A lot of so-called conservatives...think I've turned liberal because I believe a woman has a right to an abortion. That's a decision that's up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the Religious Right."

"I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass."

"You don't need to be straight to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight."

"I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.'

Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?

And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate.

I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of 'conservatism.' "

[vduhr]

75. I've been wanting to read John Dean's book...

Conservatives Without Conscience. I've was just reading something on line about Hitler and it contained some quotes from Mein Kampf, which struck me as to how the Republican Party is using the same tactics: (‘… the art of all truly great national leaders at all times consists … in not dividing the attention of a people, but in concentrating it upon a single foe,’ Mein Kampf, 108 ‘The purpose of propaganda is not to provide interesting distraction for blasé young gentlemen, but to convince, and what I mean is to convince the masses. But the masses are slow-moving, and they always require a certain time before they are ready even to notice a thing, and only after the simplest ideas are repeated thousands of times will the masses finally remember them.

When there is a change, it must not alter the content of what the propaganda is driving at, but in the end must always say the same thing. For instance, a slogan must be presented from different angles, but the end of all remarks must always and immutably be the slogan itself. Only in this way can the propaganda have a unified and complete effect’ (169).

I've always noticed how, no matter how many times the Republicans get caught lying, etc, they will continue to repeat and repeat the same talking points. No matter how many times they are shown to be wrong, they repeat, and repeat the same talking points. Are they taking their advice from Mein Kampf?

[olegramps]

178. Yes, they are fascists.

[madrchsod]

46. the real enemy are the ones who are financing these people

ultra conservatives and fox news are the people behind the curtain....

[DCBob]

47. I was expecting this. and its likely to get worse..

Republicans need to make some statements to calm these idiots down.

[Suji to Seoul]

66. you can't put the fart back in the elephant

Their tea-bagger monster has taken them over and now these Republicans want to distance themselves from it.

[DCBob]

101. Ha! Perfect analogy.

They are indeed in a bit of a pickle.

[Kingofalldems]

48. Special Prosecutor needed---this is huge.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

50. where was their poutrage over vote for war based on lies?

its amazing, isn't it?

[Initech]

52. So is Glenn Beck the Joker from the Dark Knight now?

Just like the Joker, Glenn Beck seems to attract a very specific, narrow-minded mindset. And these teabag scumfucks are the lowest low-lifes in the country.

[cascadiance]

145. Right Wing terrorists like to label others what they themselves are....

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jB_Sp7DBMbA/SrJ5DBzyeNI/AAAAAAAABvE/9gg0II-4UsE/s400/glenn_beck+hitler+jpg.jpg

[liberalmike27]

221. That Mustache

That mustache really looks quite natual on Beck.

Remember how all the centrist DUers, and many others in the media were saying how ridiculous we were when we compared the Republicans actions to Nazi Brown-shirt behavior?

It doesn't seem so ridiculous now, does it? Seems like we were spot-on prescient at realizing what was happening here in the old U.S.

[Zambero]

57. This will backfire big time

I predict that a large number of moderates who would otherwise vote Republican this fall will disassociate from the these kooks who are in effect "the new voice of the Republican party". These idiots never run out of ways to shoot themselves in the foot.

[leftrightwingnut]

74. Agreed.

All of the violence, threats, racist attacks against members of Congress, legal challenges, and calls for repeal of the HCR bill will not serve the the Repugs well in November.

Here's to their insanity. :toast: (As long as no one gets hurt.)

[RaleighNCDUer]

234. That assumes the moderates have not already been shunned from

the party.

I don't really think there are that many of them left. What we are seeing now IS the mainstream republican party.

[hayrow]

58. Time to make Morris Dees Attorney General

[valerief]

62. Well, that sounds like the pro-life party, now doesn't it?

Good lord.

:grr:

[Hekate]

67. I wondered if they could get more despicable. -- They have.

[PavePusher]

69. As distasteful as these actions are...

I find it terrifying that so many of the above responders are willing to follow the Bush-piper-tune, and throw the Constitution, peoples Civil Rights, and their own basic decency out the window.

You are wilfully becoming that which you proclaim to despise. Not very Progressive, eh?

Civil War, indeed.

[abq e streeter]

70. the civil right to threaten to murder children? just askin' ( and that's just..um..."distasteful"?)

[PavePusher]

79. Perhaps I should have said "distasteful in the extreme"...

But I'm sure you get my point.

People say a lot of things in the heat of anger that they never intend to follow up on. If we arrested people for all such utterings, I dare say there would be very few left roaming free(tm).

Should such things be investigated? Certainly. But they no more merit an automatic trip to the Gulag than flatulence does.

But hey, that pesky First Amendment really just gets in the way of political cleansing, doesn't it....

[quaker bill]

86. It is called Assualt

It is the threat to do bodily harm. It is a crime. Battery is the actual non lethal contact in an attempt to do the promised harm.

A threat to assasinate is easily assualt under the law. Directed at an elected official, such a statement is certainly the violation of a handful of laws. Freedom of speech does not extend this far.

[PavePusher]

98. Then you treat it as such under the law...

and take appropriate lawful actions, you don't follow the Bush regime and put people into Guantanamo.

I never stated or implied anything else, including ignoring the issue.

By the way, verbal threats to elected officials should be treated no differently than those to the common Citizen. "Equal under the eyes of the law..." comes to mind.

[olegramps]

180. When Representatives' offices are vandalized and their children threatened, it is not a minor act.

This consists of intimidation of an elected official. Their intent is therefore far more serious than random vandalism. It amounts to a serious threat that if you don't vote as we demand then we will kill your children. This is totally intolerable in a democracy and is nothing more than fascism.

[PavePusher]

253. See posts 98 & 252. n/t

[olegramps]

274. You argue in circles like a dog chasing its tail.

[vduhr]

83. I don't think the poster was saying WE should START a

civil war. I believe the poster was simply saying we might be seeing the beginning of a civil war. And who is perporting to take away civil rights here? If someone is threatening violence (against someones children no less), and throwing bricks through windows, just who's civil rights are being taken away? Are we supposed to sit back and make excuses for them. These are terrible acts and ARE terrorizing innocent people. What do you suggest should be done about this? They are breaking the law and they should be prosecuted - to the fullest extent of the law.

[PavePusher]

148. Yes, under THE LAW and the CONSTITUTION.

Not the "Patriot Act" bullshit. Not thrown into Guantanamo. Not thrown out windows (see comment directly below...).

But quite a few here are advocating for mob justice, vigilantism and following in the footsteps of the past administrations.

I'd like to think we can claim the moral high ground and do a little better than that. Maybe I'm alone in that. But I am starting to loose sight of who's advocating more violence these days.


A pox on all their houses...

[Posteritatis]

132. I'm happy with throwing a lot out the window when people start threatening to kill reps' kids

The people making the threats top that particular list.

[wordpix]

194. "distasteful?" Threatening assassination & Kristallnacht are criminal acts, not just

distasteful, and not just mischievous. Recall the brown shirts of Germany in the 30's and how their small acts of violence and intimidation grew into a national program of mass murder, concentration camps and WWII.

[PavePusher]

252. So treat it as criminal under the law and the Constitution.

Advocating kangaroo courts and internment camps, as some are doing, is... hypocritical at best, devestatingly ironic, and flat out ultimately self-defeating. And that's the kindest I can be about it, without devolving into profanity and slapping people repeatedly in the face.

All the screaming of "You're a Fascist Bastard and we should throw you into a detention camp", (from both sides, I might note...) really blows the moral high ground out from under your feet... while removing your feet... from the knees down.

[RaleighNCDUer]

235. Acknowledging something is happening is not the same as advocating

for it to happen.

[Barbara2423]

71. If Law Enforcement would get on their jobs & arrest and convict

these thugs, it won't stop.

[mzteris]

72. omg - this iscrazy!

the only possible "good" to come of this is getting people who might have been "leaning" in that direction to run very quickly as far away as possible from anything that reeks of freep, teabagger, fundy, racist, misogynistic mentality.

I would hope the FBI is well advanced towards identifying and arresting these monsters.

[muntrv]

77. Enough is enough! Use the repukes beloved Patriot Act on these thugs!

[pundaint]

122. bad news: it's now the Democrat's Patriot Act, our president wanted it renewed and our

majority passed it. Yes it stinks, but Our side passed it.

But stupid scared people thought the Patriot Act, giving up our Constitution, was the way to respond to an attack - let's not do something equally stupid in response to this. This is clearly a job for the FBI, part of the Executive Branch. The FBI should be aggressively pursuing this all the way back to any instigators and sponsors.

[PavePusher]

149. How about this:

LET'S FUCKING NOT.

If you don't think we can't do better in the department of Constitutionality and Justice, then I really don't want to associate myself with you.

Deal?

[SteveM]

240. I agree. From one pro-2A to another.

[PavePusher]

248. Thank you , sir. n/t

[myrna minx]

81. K&R n/t

[Bluzmann57]

82. Two words

Gutless bastards. I would like to point out to these motherfuckers (yep, I said motherfuckers) that I am willing to fight every one of you gutless bastards. Now. So show yourselves and bring it on. Motherfuckers.
One more thing, I know how to use a firearm, although I don't own any at this time. Fuck these tea partiers or whatever they call themselves.

[tonekat]

84. Yeah, that's pretty much the level of those types...

Working off their loser frustrations by being an annoyance. They've lost...as they were bound to...so they resort to this sort of thing. Pitiful. They like to play "army" you know.

[butterfly77]

87. This has been going on for a long time...

Throughout the Bush years. I can't believe that many are acting shocked and outraged now.

Every time an incident occurs the media brings on some black Republicon or some neutral black Dem to talk it down and everyone agrees that it wasn't so bad after all.

[JNelson6563]

85. WTF??

This is getting out of control.

Julie

[vaberella]

241. That's what I said. n/t

[Joey Liberal]

88. Republicans are more dangerous than Al Qaeda. nt

[Grand Taurean]

93. Call teaparties what they are: Kristallnachten!

[Odin2005]

99. Terrorists. try them for sedition.

[roseBudd]

100. Hamilton County/ Cincinnati Ohio also on Sunday....

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/politics/2010/03/22/rock-thrown-at-dem-hqs/

PLEASANT RIDGE – Someone reportedly threw a fist-sized rock through the front window of the Hamilton County Democratic Party headquarters Sunday night after Congress passed the landmark health insurance overhaul.

Caleb Faux, the party’s executive director, finds it hard to believe the incident wasn’t related to the legislation’s passing.

“I have to assume that it did,” Faux said. “We’ve been here for three years and we’ve never had an incident of that kind.”

According to Faux, the rock didn’t shatter the window, which is made of heavy plate glass. It did, however, make a hole the size of a half dollar coin and crack the glass.

Faux estimates the window will cost several hundred dollars to replace. He had not yet filed a police report.

Faux connected the rock-tossing with the provocative language associated with the healthcare bill.

“There’s certainly room for political disagreement, but carrying it to that extent is highly inappropriate,” Faux said.

“I don’t believe throwing rocks is an expression of free speech,” he added.

[vaberella]

244. It's out of hand. n/t

[Cha]

102. There's only one fucking problem..

No one is going to take away their liberty and they're breaking the law and being little chickenshit cowards in the process.

[boppers]

104. TuCSon. NOT TuSCon.

*sigh*

[mistertrickster]

105. I live in Wichita where our office got hit. Already the CON-jobs are saying that we staged it to

garner sympathy.

"Give us PROOF it was a conservative who attacked you."

Sheesh. You can't make this shit up.

On edit--it's kind of hard to ballistically trace a BRICK, but the anti-Obama message on it was somewhat of a hint . . .

[graywarrior]

106. I blame the media AND the republicans for this

[AsahinaKimi]

111. I am with you GreyWarrior...

This is what happens when Fox and Clear Channel get too much power in this country.

[graywarrior]

117. And CNN and Chris Matthews

They all pour gasoline on the fires and then stand back making like they're shocked. I fucking hate them.

[vaberella]

242. Tweety too?!

:(

[graywarrior]

257. Tweety kissed right wing ass for almost the entire 8 years Bush was in office

It wasn't until the very end that he started to turn the other way.

[vaberella]

261. Valid point. n/t

[Enthusiast]

162. The media is mostly at fault.

Perpetrators of these acts of violence never get to hear our side of any argument.

We would be mad at Democrats if all we heard was what came out of Limbaugh and Becks mouths.

Think about it. These followers have been screamed at constantly "The progressives are destroying your country!" They are told this every single day and never hear a contrary argument.

And these followers are so ignorant that they believe Obama is a "commie" because his administration has Czars. These people are dummies.

[Ozymanithrax]

107. We are now well into the "Age of Conservative Terror"

How long before some isolate loner acting on his own and not at all egged on by the likes of Beck and Palin starts shooting?

[vduhr]

254. It's getting closer...

http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/news/local/crime/article/damage_at_home_of_perriello_brother_under_investigation/54038/

[earcandle]

108. These people are UNamerican. They are criminals and they need prosecution, not news coverage.

Law enforcement: do your job.

News Media:  Ignore these tantrums until they are arrested.

[athenasatanjesus]

109. I never understand why conservatives are always so mad when they don't get their way.

Considering not only do they get their way more often,but most of the problems come after they get their policies.

[Synnical]

113. Wishful thinking hurts the brain

Just my thoughts, since wishes don't count for anything.

-Cindy in Fort Lauderdale

[Festivito]

110. Kristallnacht, how Naziesque of our Reich wing. /nt

[TankLV]

179. But yet some idiots HERE say we can't compare them to the Nazi's...

IF NOT NOW, WHEN, EXACTLY, DO WE START LEGITIMATELY CALLING THEM NAZI'S?!!!

They may try to project their labels on us - but our descriptions of them is based on THEIR ACTIONS, while their projection is just a catch phrase with absolutely NO basis.

[Festivito]

196. I attempt to compare the actions to actions, rather than to the persons.

I should be more careful to assure that delineation. It does hurt when it is used, usually wrongly, by the RW towards us, and it is then best to just not go there. And, of course, the reminding of very painful memories to many people that is the real reason the topic is avoided. I don't think such concern is idiocy, but, it might be overly cautious.

The historical parallel in this case is striking. This character starting these window breakings, is he in contact with others in starting this. I think it must be addressed despite the hurt feelings.

This may not be religious/racial as the original actions were and is instead ideological. But, still, the breaking of windows.

This is history repeating itself, not exactly, but, it rhymes.

ASIDE, if I may, please do not call people names (e.g. Nazis, idiots) when you can instead call their actions names.

[motorcityliberal]

114. W.C.W.J.T.T.K?

Who's Child would Jesus threaten to Kill?

Tea Bagger:I'm pro-life but if you pass health care I'll kill ya children?

[agentS]

116. AND they misspelled the quotes on the bricks!

The bricks thrown had a word misspelled.
They had extremsm, when it's supposed to be extremism.

Misguided, dumb, foolish, violent, TEABAGGERS.

[craigmatic]

118. they're just fascists trying to vent I seem to remember that Germany had a party that used to break

windows too.

[young_at_heart]

121. NBC News can add their name to the list of media hate mongers after tonight's broadcast

From another thread: 'NBC nightly news is doing one hit piece after another tonight on HC Bill'.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

124. These people need treatment

[certainot]

128. US universities sponsor hate speech and global warming denial through sports

brroadcasting through the radio stations that put the hannitys and becks and limbaughs on and theri students and faculty need to demand they look for alternatives.

[Posteritatis]

134. Those words make sense individually but not in sequence. (nt)

[certainot]

216. what part don't you understand- i could get a blackboard for you

just let me know

[JoeyT]

131. Of course they claim to be supporters of freedom

and believers in the constitution all while vandalizing and threatening to kill anyone that disagrees with them.
The saddest part is they're probably stupid enough to believe their own hyperbole.

[LiberalAndProud]

136. They don't paint a pretty picture of themselves, do they?

Do they really want to kill children? Pro-life..right.

[Kablooie]

137. This really needs to be categorized as terrorist activities. I'm afraid it's going to get worse.

We are moving into a through the looking glass kind of twisted parody of the 1960's war protests.

[PerpetuallyDazed]

138. The note has "Teabagger" written all over it:

[Nihil]

186. Hmmm ...

"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice"

Wonder how they feel about US troops being blown up by IEDs
over in Iraq & Afghanistan as the perpetrators there have
got a lot more to complain about (and thus far more justification
in their behaviour) than anything those teabaggers could find ...?

:think:

[defendandprotect]

139. Right are violent . . . they are best at destruction . . . they build nothing . . .

[northofdenali]

143. When these idiots start "lock and loading" -

they'll be surprised by how many of us Democratic folks can shoot back.

K&R

[Shining Jack]

144. What a brilliant strategy...

Breaking windows and making death threats.:eyes:

[vercetti2021]

147. They call us baby killers?

Maybe we should call them child killers!

[olegramps]

184. In reality they are baby and child killers.

The Republicans have denied health care for children who have serious medical problems that could led to their death. Their candidate for the presidency, McCain, did not hesitate to vote against providing children with medical care. He is the scum bags' chosen leader.

[Hekate]

150. These people are cowards. Dangerous, but sneaking stinking cowards. ...

They are of the same type as those who stalk the children of abortion clinic workers.

:argh:

Hekate

[DesertDiamond]

151. What some children do when they don't get their way...

[Hubert Flottz]

153. Just like an ignorant GOPer to bring a brick to a gun fight.

[lonestarnot]

165. Breakfast babies, no wonder they refer to themselves as pro-life. Cowards with brick heads.

My question is whose head was that? :evilgrin:

[No Elephants]

154. Since when is killing people's kids anything but murder?

[Douglas Carpenter]

157. very important story...kick and recommend

[ProgressOnTheMove]

158. Stand strong, stand tall Democratic Reps. this will all get better in time when these laws make

life more stable for everyone.

[Enthusiast]

160. Brown shirts. nt

[paparush]

167. Angry Lefties carry signs and sing songs. Angry Righties ..

blow up buildings and shoot people in the head.

[rasputin1952]

170. Not to make light of the situation, but there was one report that stated...

"...a brick was thrown through the plate glass window, however, no note was attached to the brick..."

For some reason, I found that incredibly funny. It seems as if the most radical of these groups, have people that write long, unwieldy diatribes that go on forever, and yet, some pinhead couldn't take the time to write, "baby killer!", "nazi!" of "fuck you!"? The best they could do was pick up a brick and toss it, I mean how lame is that?

I'd like to think these were isolated incidents by a few maniacs, but I know that they are coordinated efforts, spurred on by a small group of loons. The FBI is looking into the situation, and I'm willing to bet, if a few arrests are made, this stuff will stop pretty quickly. I find individuals, (or groups), who do this kind of stuff beyond reprehensible, they are dolts and cowards.

[Solly Mack]

171. Those making such threats might want to read section 802 of the Patriot Act.

[NJmaverick]

174. K & R these monsters have to be stopped

[cmd]

175. Knox Co. Ohio is part of Space's district - and he voted no

This is extreme craziness.
edit: It's also the home of the loon that tattooed a cross on on of his students.

[meeshrox]

185. At what point to the feds step in?

These are threats to our lawmakers...when do they get investigated/picked up?

[wordpix]

191. hell, the Nat'l Park Service just gave over a national park for mustering up the gun nuts

as close to the national Capitol as possible. :crazy:

I don't see the feds doing anything until something major happens and then it's too late

http://muster4-19.ning.com/photo/your-rights-use-em-or-...

http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com /

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?p=13969...

http://teaparty.freedomworks.org/events/tax-day-rally-a...

http://www.resistnet.com/group/virginiaresistance/forum...

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=33229

[meeshrox]

193. I'm hoping that the FBI is onto this already...

it's not like they do things in the public light. But, this is getting dangerous and something needs to be done with the specific threats coming out.

[wordpix]

195. What can FBI do? Apparently NPS gave the gun nuts a permit to "muster"

with their guns and VA gun laws are so lax, the nuts can open carry with ammo. All FBI can do is be there in case something goes awry and then, good luck.

"Muster" is a quaint term meaning "gather with your guns before battle."

BTW, the gun nuts despise the FBI, which is on the nuts' priority target list along with the ATF and IRS.

[wordpix]

199. I just wrote NPS re: being prepared---and what were they thinking?

http://www.nps.gov/NCR/sendmail.htm?o=%3B3%29%2B6JZ%2B%20NJR1J1JA<1*EJ4.34J>2II_16!%22X%0A&r=/gwmp/contacts.htm

This is where to send comments to the NPS

[vaberella]

197. I don't think there is enough feds to stop this.

But I have to agree with you. This is how many people are against health care.

[meeshrox]

245. The feds just stepped in on the cut gas line of Rep. Perriello's brother...

That's basically what I was wondering. At what point do the feds step in? When do they begin their investigation? Does there have to be a specific threat or action as in "I will do x on x day"? Or can they investigate on a simple statement like "x representative needs to have x happen"?

[vaberella]

263. Yeah, I saw that. n/t

[vaberella]

190. This is fuckin' ridiculous. Where is the media looking at this?! These are Republicans gone mad.

People are fuckin'out of control.

[truthisfreedom]

192. Bring in the FBI and arrest them all.

[Gwoppi]

198. I suppose only when the Hutus kill the first thousand of us Tutsis

with machetes, some of the ostriches here calling us "Chicken Little" will finally admit a crisis is underway and response is called for.

We all have our opinions, but mine is that I find this minimalization and deliberate invalidation of the facts a brownshirt wave has formed and is becoming dangerously aggressive to be offensive in the extreme.

Frogs + pot + water + slow increase in temperature + minimalizers among the victims = boiled frogs

[HughMoran]

209. Fuckin' goons

Keep it up - throwing a tantrum when you lose an argument only makes you, well, LOSERS!

[Jennicut]

210. These nuts are the 2010 version of the mid 90's militia movement.

There were threats back then, a federal building blown up, Ruby Ridge, Waco, etc. They were submissive when Bush was in power because although they did not agree with him 100% of the time, they felt he validated their obsessions with guns, abortion, etc. People like this have been around since the 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's and beyond as the KKK. Many tea baggers are racist. The best way to fight them is to be aware and concerned but not intimidated. If they threatened some lawmakers children, time to look into legal action. Vandalism? Arrest them. We must fight back. The KKK was taken down when they were prosecuted against.

[AllyCat]

218. And in it all, they STILL can't spell. Next they'll be going after teachers.

[RaleighNCDUer]

236. Naw, they don't have to - Duncan's already doing that. nt

[AllyCat]

250. So is Duncan working for them? Grrr!!! He makes me mad too

But I still won't vandalize his office or threaten his family.

[bamacrat]

224. Ah pro-lifers, always willing to kill someone who doesn't agree with them.

Why is it that all the right to lifers and anti abortion people are the ones who kill? I know not all but its always them. You never hear of a pro-choice person killing anyone.

[abelenkpe]

233. Anyone who does not take this stuff

seriously, who wants to write it off as free speech or mere difference of opinion is fooling themselves. FOX news and other entertainment personalities are attempting to incite riots and violence. They want us to fight amongst ourselves.

[SteveM]

243. I wonder how many DUers are for gun-control now?...

For years I've heard lefties and progressives wring their hands over the far-right's authoritarian bent, it's penchant for bullyism, it's disdain for the Constitution, it's attraction to PermaWar, the Unitary Presidency and permanent power. But right at the end, these lefties and progressives add: "Oh, and we should have gun control." Jesus. What kind of screenless-TV are they watching? Does reality come and go with the push of a remote button? Kinda takes the sheen off a coffee house rant, don't you think?

For some of us who have for years advocated a strong Second Amendment position, this is nothing new. Just keep your cool and keep hitting back at the far-right and insist MSM do likewise (they are deathly afraid of the FR). DON'T advocate "banning Fox," or shutting down assholes like Beck. That is EXACTLY what the far right wants. They are good at bullying and "progressives" are good at being the fall guy (as in: "See? They are hypocrites about their 'liberal' outlook!").

Spend some time at the range; it will help dissipate some of the understandable anger. Show yourself as potent, confident and strong. Bullies don't like that.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

247. oh how I wish I could post this on my door at work; how I wish I could scream

kkkristian konservative fascists right to their faces..........

I can't even begin to describe how these holier than thou haters disgust me.

At least goddamn news reported it....gee and on WHAM too--I am truly surprised....

I've written to them about their plugs for Limbaugh (WHAM radio)...got the nauseating executive bullshit PR friendliness, while resorting to well known dysfunctional gambits to avoid the question and distract from the point. Invited me to write annnytiiime, but when I took her up on the offer to point out for the third time that she had avoided addressing my point....she finally ignored me.

I hate them and their bullshit!

[geardaddy]

251. Channeling Timmy the Tool, it seems

snip
Vanderboegh is referring to his blog called Sipsey Street Irregulars. He says his invitation to “break windows…break them now” is behind the incident in Rochester and at least two others in Tucson and Kansas. The message to Democrats should be clear.
/snip

snip
Less than an hour before Tiger Woods was set to explain himself in a press conference, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty urged conservative activists to follow the golfer’s wife and “take a nine iron and smash the windows out of big government.”
/snip

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/33178.html

[RoccoR5955]

259. Will the FBI or CIA be knocking on this guy's door soon?

I hope so. He has to be locked up, as do his followers.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

267. And these assholes call themselves pro-life?

:wtf:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

272. They are basically thugs