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Newsjock
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Sun May-02-10 09:35 AM Original message |
Riot breaks out in downtown Santa Cruz; windows broken on dozens of businesses |
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proud2BlibKansan
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Sun May-02-10 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
1. Minutemen? |
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petronius
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Sun May-02-10 10:17 AM Response to Reply #1 |
15. More likely a bunch of tools who think smashing things up is a good way to make a point |
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proud2BlibKansan
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Sun May-02-10 10:30 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Sounds like Minutemen to me |
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Lagomorph
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Mon May-03-10 12:10 AM Response to Reply #18 |
115. OK, show me the pattern of behavior... |
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proud2BlibKansan
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Sun May-02-10 10:30 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. dupe |
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Taverner
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Mon May-03-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
148. Santa Cruz Anarchists |
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bemildred
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Sun May-02-10 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
2. They were having a May Day rally at 10:30 PM? |
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dkf
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Sun May-02-10 09:52 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. How would you prefer they write it? |
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bemildred
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Sun May-02-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Coherently, so it makes sense. nt |
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dkf
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Sun May-02-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Supporters of Illegal immigration riot. |
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bemildred
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Sun May-02-10 10:04 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Freedom's untidy. |
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CreekDog
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Sun May-02-10 11:20 AM Response to Reply #8 |
27. wow...are you at the right website? |
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amandabeech
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Sun May-02-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Bemildred is definitely at the right website. |
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CreekDog
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Sun May-02-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. then why did she write "supporters of illegal immigration riot" |
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No Elephants
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Mon May-03-10 04:55 AM Response to Reply #32 |
117. Bemildred did not write that. DKF did. You responded to dkf. |
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CreekDog
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Mon May-03-10 07:41 AM Response to Reply #117 |
125. Yeah I couldn't tell why the poster thought I was referring to bemildred |
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No Elephants
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Mon May-03-10 04:55 AM Response to Reply #30 |
118. Creek Dog responded to dkf, not to bemildred. |
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EFerrari
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Sun May-02-10 12:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
39. I hope you don't break your neck making these leaps. lol |
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HereSince1628
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Sun May-02-10 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
3. What is an anarchy symbol? |
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paulsby
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Sun May-02-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
78. i'll give you a hint |
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HereSince1628
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Sun May-02-10 08:01 PM Response to Reply #78 |
100. I've never seen such a thing. Around here there are lot of gang tags |
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paulsby
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Sun May-02-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #100 |
111. lol. eugene oregon |
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mdmc
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Mon May-03-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #100 |
149. hehehe |
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HereSince1628
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Sun May-02-10 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
4. Sorry, double dribbled |
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Crowman1979
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Sun May-02-10 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
7. Here is the raw footage of this protest. |
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dkf
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Sun May-02-10 09:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Sounds like a gang? |
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Crowman1979
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Sun May-02-10 09:57 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Or wankstas living on mommy & daddy's income. |
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treestar
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Sun May-02-10 10:38 AM Response to Reply #10 |
21. Due to the bad market for jobs for young people, who are mostly Democrats |
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bhikkhu
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Sun May-02-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
40. Santa Cruz is a vacation town with strict anti-growth laws |
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No Elephants
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Mon May-03-10 05:06 AM Response to Reply #21 |
120. Agree that DU should be stereotype free, but nothing indicates these thugs are Democrats. |
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dkf
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Sun May-02-10 10:04 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Apparently it's called a "black bloc" and it is a method of protesting seen around the world. |
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Crowman1979
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Sun May-02-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Well their just making themselves look like assholes and smear the reputation everyone else. |
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dkf
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Sun May-02-10 10:24 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Looks like it's the left that has a history of black blocing. That is just great. |
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No Elephants
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Mon May-03-10 05:16 AM Response to Reply #17 |
121. Anarchists are an extremeist fringe, not "the left." |
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Jkid
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Sun May-02-10 10:21 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Are these black bloc's seperate from the main movement? |
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dkf
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Sun May-02-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. See my post 17. I guess anti capitalist, anti racist and anti Nazi groups use this tactic. |
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CreekDog
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Sun May-02-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. you said "illegal immigration" riot before |
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dkf
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Sun May-02-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #28 |
58. I learned a lot more but advocating for illegal immigration is anarchy. |
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No Elephants
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Mon May-03-10 07:08 AM Response to Reply #58 |
122. Not if advocacy consists solely of speech. |
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dkf
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Sun May-02-10 10:42 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. This is interesting...apparently black blocs are used to protest a repressive police state. |
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No Elephants
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Mon May-03-10 07:29 AM Response to Reply #22 |
124. Please see Reply 26 and 86. And again, EVERYone has access to black clothing. |
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Downtown Hound
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Sun May-02-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. A black bloc isn't a group or an organization you belong to |
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Truth2Tell
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Sun May-02-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
106. +1 Most accurate post in this thread. nt |
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TorchTheWitch
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Sun May-02-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
86. Black Bloc thugs |
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Scuba
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Sun May-02-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
87. Obvious Red Herring... Donald Segretti would be embarrassed |
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SpiralHawk
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Sun May-02-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
90. Ahhh, the Black Ops Commandos (R) |
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Xithras
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Mon May-03-10 09:42 AM Response to Reply #7 |
136. UC Santa Cruz does have a homegrown anarchist movement. |
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FLyellowdog
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Sun May-02-10 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
11. Same thing happened in Asheville, NC. |
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dkf
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Sun May-02-10 10:49 AM Response to Reply #11 |
23. How do you get so radicalized at such a young age? |
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pattmarty
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Sun May-02-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. I won't speculate on this group, but jail does a super job of radicalization. |
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FLyellowdog
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Sun May-02-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #23 |
55. Good question.nt |
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No Elephants
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Mon May-03-10 08:01 AM Response to Reply #23 |
126. You've never heard of college-age kids being activist? |
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mmonk
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Sun May-02-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #11 |
94. All quite young. |
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Fire1
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Sun May-02-10 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
24. This is just the beginning. Wait til summer!! n/t |
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customerserviceguy
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Sun May-02-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. I recall the summers |
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amandabeech
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Sun May-02-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Yes, let's try to avoid the annual summer riots that we had in the '60s. |
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Fire1
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Sun May-02-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Wake up! This "riot" had nothing to do with Az. n/t |
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customerserviceguy
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Sun May-02-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
74. I guess I just saw the phrase "immigrant rights" |
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Fire1
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Sun May-02-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #74 |
88. And many are going to make the same connection I did. |
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No Elephants
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Mon May-03-10 08:25 AM Response to Reply #29 |
127. This is not "our side." Democrats are not on the side of lawbreaking or anarchy. |
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No Elephants
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Mon May-03-10 08:29 AM Response to Reply #29 |
128. It was more than just riots. It was drugs. It was treating young soldiers as though the war was |
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Techn0Girl
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Sun May-02-10 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
33. This Doesn't make sense at all .... |
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Sun May-02-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. + 1 |
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Techn0Girl
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Sun May-02-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. I've been in the military.... |
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musette_sf
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Sun May-02-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. If you are correct |
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AlphaCentauri
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Sun May-02-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. I notice also how synchronize they were |
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paulsby
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Sun May-02-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #38 |
80. black bloc anarchists ARE trained ... very well trained |
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EFerrari
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Sun May-02-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Yep. n/t |
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Lucky Luciano
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Sun May-02-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. sounds fishy...yes...anarchists would more likely focus |
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Crowman1979
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Sun May-02-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #33 |
61. Exactly |
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paulsby
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Sun May-02-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #33 |
79. you clearly don't understand anarchists |
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No Elephants
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Mon May-03-10 08:43 AM Response to Reply #79 |
129. First, Techn0girl said nothing about liberals. She said "far left." |
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Xithras
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Mon May-03-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #79 |
139. Indeed. I was very involved with some in the early 90's. |
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Downtown Hound
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Mon May-03-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #139 |
146. "Mutual aid" is the anarchist cop out phrase for questions like that |
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psychopomp
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Sun May-02-10 08:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
102. They rented out the second floor of the coffee shop |
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Techn0Girl
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Sun May-02-10 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
36. I just looked at the raw footage linked to here: |
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musette_sf
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Sun May-02-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. Xe eom |
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bemildred
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Sun May-02-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. Never do what your friendly FBI plant suggests. |
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EFerrari
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Sun May-02-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. Can you show me where the link is? |
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AlphaCentauri
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Sun May-02-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Post #7 |
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EFerrari
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Sun May-02-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Thank you. n/t |
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Downtown Hound
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Sun May-02-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #36 |
50. Just so you know... |
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bemildred
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Sun May-02-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. That is interesting. |
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Downtown Hound
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Sun May-02-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. You have to factor in context |
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bemildred
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Sun May-02-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. But why dress up if you don't want to draw attention to yourself? |
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No Elephants
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Mon May-03-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #54 |
131. The black gear is distinct from the garb of the other marchers. But one all black outfit |
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bemildred
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Mon May-03-10 07:09 PM Response to Reply #131 |
147. Black outfits are not what most people wear? Black outfits are all similar? |
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paulsby
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Sun May-02-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #50 |
84. exactly |
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No Elephants
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Mon May-03-10 09:20 AM Response to Reply #84 |
132. The DU ignorati? . |
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No Elephants
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Mon May-03-10 08:53 AM Response to Reply #50 |
130. Liberals are not "fellow leftists" to anarchists, ffs. |
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Downtown Hound
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Mon May-03-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #130 |
145. Okay..."other leftists?" |
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paulsby
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Sun May-02-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
82. get a clue |
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SpiralHawk
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Sun May-02-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #82 |
91. And they are right-wing agents provocateurs pretending to be leftists |
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paulsby
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Sun May-02-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. your evidence for this is what? |
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AlphaCentauri
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Sun May-02-10 09:22 PM Response to Reply #92 |
105. Their tactics can be seen in this link |
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paulsby
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Sun May-02-10 09:54 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. i have seen those |
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No Elephants
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Mon May-03-10 09:25 AM Response to Reply #109 |
133. You accuse others of having no evidence, but neither do you. |
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Truth2Tell
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Sun May-02-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #105 |
112. Here's the direct YouTube on that: |
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kestrel91316
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Sun May-02-10 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
41. Well THAT'S certain to win over business people to their cause....... |
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memberme
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Sun May-02-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. sounds like the rent a-mob bunch |
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Unvanguard
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Sun May-02-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Anarchists have a very strong interest in immigration law. |
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dkf
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Sun May-02-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Open borders and no enforcement of laws are exactly what anarchy is all about. |
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EFerrari
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Sun May-02-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Wrong. Advocating the disregard of unconstitutional laws is conscience. |
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dkf
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Sun May-02-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Ah so nobody involved in this movement wants illegal immigrants to be allowed into this country? |
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Unvanguard
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Sun May-02-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. If they are legalized, they are hardly illegal, are they? |
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dkf
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Sun May-02-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. You can't undo years of lawbreaking by changing the law. |
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Unvanguard
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Sun May-02-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. Who's trying to "undo" it? |
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Truth2Tell
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Sun May-02-10 10:03 PM Response to Reply #68 |
113. Should I start smoking pot because I think it may be legalized? |
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No Elephants
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Mon May-03-10 09:42 AM Response to Reply #68 |
137. Who said changing the law undoes years of lawbreaking? Build straw men much? |
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EFerrari
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Sun May-02-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. If it's just brown people you're worried about, I'm afraid it's too late. |
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dkf
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Sun May-02-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #70 |
83. There is a huge problem in my race too. |
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EFerrari
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Sun May-02-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #83 |
101. You seem to have no grasp of the stakes here at all. n/t |
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Unvanguard
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Sun May-02-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. You are confused about both anarchism and advocates of immigration reform. |
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dkf
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Sun May-02-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. The only remedy for being here illegally is being removed |
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Unvanguard
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Sun May-02-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. That seems an untenably narrow view to me. |
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No Elephants
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Mon May-03-10 09:33 AM Response to Reply #57 |
134. Nope. Unless you think Thoreau, Ghandi and MLK, Jr were all anarchists. |
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EFerrari
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Sun May-02-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Oh, effin' please. You're deducing this from a group of people dress in black |
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Unvanguard
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Sun May-02-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. I didn't say anything about the particular people discussed in the OP. |
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EFerrari
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Sun May-02-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. There is no evidence whatsoever that these people |
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Unvanguard
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Sun May-02-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. That's true. They quite possibly weren't. |
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EFerrari
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Sun May-02-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. I tend to agree with Technogirl that these people were plants. |
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TorchTheWitch
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Sun May-02-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #71 |
89. Exactly - these kids don't actually believe in anything |
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Techn0Girl
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Sun May-02-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #89 |
99. I call BS... |
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NuttyFluffers
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Sun May-02-10 09:52 PM Response to Reply #99 |
108. Exactly, darkness comes 365 days of the year, why do they need a crowd for vandalism? |
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No Elephants
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Mon May-03-10 10:12 AM Response to Reply #99 |
140. Everyone is speculating. In reality, none of us has |
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paulsby
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Sun May-02-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #41 |
85. anarchists aren't interested in the marketplace of ideas |
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Techn0Girl
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Sun May-02-10 07:07 PM Response to Reply #85 |
97. Really ? |
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boppers
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Sun May-02-10 08:56 PM Response to Reply #97 |
103. Murderers are real. Rapists are real. Black Bloc is real. |
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paulsby
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Sun May-02-10 09:59 PM Response to Reply #103 |
110. exactly |
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Truth2Tell
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Mon May-03-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #110 |
144. paulsby, I think I'm familiar |
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Mon May-03-10 08:17 PM Response to Reply #110 |
150. That's A Very Interesting Perspective. Not Sure I Agree With It. (n/t) |
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Techn0Girl
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Mon May-03-10 12:12 AM Response to Reply #103 |
116. Real sure - but who is running them.... |
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Mon May-03-10 05:04 AM Response to Reply #116 |
119. I have known black bloc folk. |
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No Elephants
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Mon May-03-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #103 |
138. People who look like the original black bloc-ers are real. One monolithic black bloc is not real. |
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Tue May-04-10 04:50 AM Response to Reply #138 |
151. They are grouped together by methods, not ideology, not leadership. |
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Sun May-02-10 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
49. thanks pukes, another mission accomplished... |
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Quantess
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Sun May-02-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #49 |
69. Eh... an indirect result, at best. |
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No Elephants
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Mon May-03-10 10:21 AM Response to Reply #69 |
141. Really? You know the person who broke that window? Please see Reply 138, among others.. |
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Sun May-02-10 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
77. All you middle of the road types who have never heard of POLICE PROVOCATEURS |
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HughMoran
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Sun May-02-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Is this what happened? |
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Sun May-02-10 06:44 PM Response to Reply #81 |
96. I don't know--it certainly is a possibility |
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hunter
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Sun May-02-10 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
93. I'd like to unmask one of these morons. |
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Crowman1979
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Sun May-02-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. I was thinking of handcuff and shackle them together , wrapped in yellow crime scene tape. |
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Techn0Girl
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Sun May-02-10 07:10 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. I think what needs to be done... |
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chrisa
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Sun May-02-10 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
104. Stupid Anarchists. |
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NuttyFluffers
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Sun May-02-10 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
107. obvious core of black ops using a few impressionable youths dressed in black as cover |
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boppers
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Sun May-02-10 10:27 PM Response to Reply #107 |
114. LW protests are not always organic. That simply had to change. |
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Ian David
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Mon May-03-10 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
123. Anarchists are dumbasses. n/t |
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librechik
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Mon May-03-10 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
135. Who the fuck attacks a Jamba Juice as a statement of dissent? |
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No Elephants
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Mon May-03-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #135 |
143. Those damned Juiceists that's who! |
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boppers
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Tue May-04-10 05:11 AM Response to Reply #135 |
152. Crimes of Jamba Juice: |
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Dr. Strange
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Tue May-04-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #135 |
154. Arab terrorists. |
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Wednesdays
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Mon May-03-10 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
142. This has "false flag" written all over it |
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defendandprotect
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Tue May-04-10 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
153. Agree . . . this is probably arranged sabotage of the protest -- |
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