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IScreamSundays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:12 PM Original message |
In Canada once more, U.S. troops fleeing a war |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
1. Canada |
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mynameiswhat (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I agree |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Thank you for you service |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. After Nuremburg, following orders is not longer a valid defense nt |
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mynameiswhat (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. order to kill civilians. but if you sign up you should know what you could have to do. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. It's a volunteer Army |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. And denying one's own conscience and sense of right is brave? |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Then they should never have |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. You missed the point . . .. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:00 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. That's right |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:30 AM Response to Reply #30 |
43. So an "oath" to fight an imperialist war for your country was more |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:37 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. I was a Navy Seabee |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:44 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Well, you must have missed the CIA program -- "Operation Phoenix" .. where we |
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dencol (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 04:12 AM Response to Reply #46 |
67. Because if you didn't see it, it didn't happen, right? |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 01:31 AM Response to Reply #67 |
94. It wasn't as cut and dried as that.... |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 11:13 AM Response to Reply #30 |
96. you ran away from what you agreed with. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. So a bad decision at 18 is still valid at 27? Because these folks are being deployed 2-5 times. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. That's bullshit |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:43 AM Response to Reply #18 |
55. It is not bullshit. Most in the Viet Nam era were safe from going back after 1 tour |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #55 |
80. I love it when "THE BIG TOUGH GUYS" show up |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. No doubt. nt |
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annm4peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
90. Not BS and you know it. |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 12:59 AM Response to Reply #18 |
93. Many of these troops didn't know about "Stop Loss" when they joined |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. So true . . . and what makes this even more effective is these are experience, long term |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:47 AM Response to Reply #17 |
56. Thank you for the decency, sanity and humanity of |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:40 AM Response to Reply #9 |
54. A volunteer army using stop loss to keep people for far longer than they signed up for. nt |
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dencol (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 04:08 AM Response to Reply #9 |
65. But in joining, they didn't sign up for illegal wars and occupation. |
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cartach (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:36 AM Response to Reply #4 |
45. What the hell does Nuremberg have to do with it ? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:49 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. So the government can change rules overnight, but soldiers have to |
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dencol (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 04:13 AM Response to Reply #45 |
68. How is invading Iraq a defensive war? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. "I didn't agree with Vietnam but when I got my orders, I went" -- |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
49. Oh, hell no. Thank goodness these people who don't want to die |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:39 AM Response to Reply #1 |
53. I think the stop loss crap qualifies as a draft |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 05:40 AM Response to Reply #53 |
72. It's sort of a draft, but.... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #53 |
75. Yes -- and also makes clear how many recognize they want no part of military . . . |
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Xicano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 02:03 AM Response to Reply #1 |
59. I served as an infantryman in the US Army and its your DUTY to disobey unlawful orders. |
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dencol (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 04:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
66. And you drive on the roads knowing you may be killed. |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
87. Maybe you were a coward for not going to Canada. |
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annm4peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
2. I wish Canada would change back to giving troops sactuary |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Hero my ass |
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dencol (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 04:15 AM Response to Reply #10 |
69. A coward would go against his moral convictions. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. Agree with you ... and it is courageous to stand against this illegal war. . . |
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demosincebirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
26. How about the whole military deserting...what would happen? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Guess that pretty much almost happened in Vietnam . . . |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:04 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Not even close |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #31 |
74. Not sure what you want to debate . . . it's the "Bright Shining Lie of VN" . . . |
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annm4peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #26 |
91. I would say if all that troops deserted, we would save a lot of tax dollars |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
5. Wasn't sure that Canada was going to permit this . . . but good for troops + Canada ..!! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
8. What was it Kissinger said about soldiers . . . ?? |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 10:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. What bullshit |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:00 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I'm sure Kissinger has no idea what he's talking about . . . don't worry, be happy! |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. As well they should be |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Nonsense ... we all have the right to personal conscience no matter what |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Deleted message |
xocet (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. A War of Aggression is an Illegal War... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Indeed -- as the UN has called it -- perhaps one day W and those who |
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demosincebirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Duh...? you join the military, you follow orders. Simple as that. If you |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:49 AM Response to Reply #29 |
57. And if you sign up for a period of time and they don't let you out? nt |
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demosincebirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #57 |
81. You sign up for three years...three years is all you have to do. they... |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. No, actually, that's false |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Amazing! As long as this has now been going on, some remain unaware. Way to support the troops! nt |
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annm4peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:11 AM Response to Reply #16 |
33. Lying to your country is a disgrace. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:15 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Agree . . . but just like in Vietnam people learn again that government |
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Iowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:29 AM Response to Reply #16 |
63. You have been sold a bill of goods... |
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dencol (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 04:25 AM Response to Reply #16 |
70. Get off your pathetic high-horse. |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
79. Free Republic is thataway. Over to the right. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Deleted sub-thread |
annm4peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:08 AM Response to Reply #11 |
32. how sad your daughter has done 3 tours |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:12 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Well, |
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annm4peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:18 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Honor and Duty ? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:19 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. ... and I wish what you are so aptly describing wasn't true. . . !!! |
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annm4peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. and it still continues, no matter who is in office |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:34 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Yes, Dems have been support these wars now since '06 ...!! Bankrupting Treasury.... |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:25 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Well obviously |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:18 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. You know . . . |
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annm4peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:21 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. I know many Veterans who say: |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:01 AM Response to Reply #39 |
51. Yep ... "blind patriotism" I thought ended with Vietnam... but rw propaganda still works!! |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:57 AM Response to Reply #39 |
58. Yes, my husband is one of them. Viet Nam vet and thinks these wars are BS. nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:06 PM Original message |
Remember well talking with enlightened vets from VN . . . when they are honest . . wow! |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
85. True. nt |
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tucsonlib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:54 AM Response to Reply #34 |
64. Just Curious |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:26 AM Response to Reply #11 |
42. Correct. Their loyalty is to their comrades who are counting on them doing their job. nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:01 AM Response to Reply #42 |
50. Right. And sometimes your job is to stop the stupidity. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #42 |
77. Like helping them torture prisoners . . . ??? |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 05:27 AM Response to Reply #8 |
71. There is a creepy quote to start my week...eom |
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classysassy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
52. The war criminals |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 02:23 AM Response to Original message |
60. Deleted message |
defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #60 |
78. +1000% -- |
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zenprole (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:23 PM Response to Reply #78 |
88. Shhhh with the truth |
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SleeplessinSoCal (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 02:49 AM Response to Original message |
61. Patrick Hart has my deepest sympathies. The Bush Doctrine .... |
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ClayZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:27 AM Response to Original message |
62. What if they had a war and nobody came? |
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Macoy (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 05:41 AM Response to Reply #62 |
73. He re-enlisted |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Re-read the first sentence. He refused a SECOND deployment nt |
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ClayZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #73 |
82. Sir, No Sir |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:37 PM Response to Reply #82 |
89. Thanks for the reminder . . . I've never gotten to watch it . . maybe this weekend!! Thank you! |
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annm4peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:16 PM Response to Reply #82 |
92. Great documentary.. then watch Winter Soldier |
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Kickin_Donkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 03:31 AM Response to Original message |
95. Good. |
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