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| hack89
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Sun Dec-12-10 07:06 AM Original message |
| Group: Near 14,000 murders in Venezuela last year |
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| Smarmie Doofus
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Sun Dec-12-10 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
| 1. This part can't possibly be true: |
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| Creative
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Sun Dec-12-10 08:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
| 2. Especially, not a fascist government. |
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| bitchkitty
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Sun Dec-12-10 08:57 AM Response to Reply #2 |
| 4. Please give your definition of fascist. |
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| Creative
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Sun Dec-12-10 09:18 AM Response to Reply #4 |
| 6. Well, according to Benito Mussolini, the father of fascism: |
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| bitchkitty
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Sun Dec-12-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #6 |
| 7. And none of this Lycos cut-and-paste |
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| Creative
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Sun Dec-12-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #7 |
| 9. Sure it does; in fact, another characteristic of many authoritarians is their fondness |
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Sun Dec-12-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
| 11. Deleted message |
| Hulk
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Sun Dec-12-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
| 14. You really need to get your info from sources OTHER THAN fox. |
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| Creative
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Sun Dec-12-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
| 16. In case you didn't notice, my source was the father of fascist socialism, |
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| robinlynne
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Sun Dec-12-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
| 19. whoa.... You better do some reading. |
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| Creative
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Sun Dec-12-10 02:57 PM Response to Reply #19 |
| 22. I have done quite a bit of reading. That is why I no longer have socialist tendencies. |
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| AlabamaLibrul
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Sun Dec-12-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
| 49. socialist tendencies.... |
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| Creative
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Sun Dec-12-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #49 |
| 51. Yes, when I look back, I laugh too. |
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| JackDragna
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Mon Dec-13-10 10:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
| 72. You're an equivocating dispenser of untruth. |
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| Ruperto31
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Sun Dec-12-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
| 15. Mussolini lied about the true nature of fascism. |
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| Creative
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Sun Dec-12-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
| 17. Fascists lie...? No argument from me on that point. |
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| Ruperto31
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Sun Dec-12-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
| 38. Mussolini was an ex-socialist and an opportunist. |
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| Creative
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Sun Dec-12-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #38 |
| 46. Fascism and socialism deserve to be slandered, for they are both anti-capitalist. |
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Sun Dec-12-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #46 |
| 48. Deleted message |
| Creative
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Sun Dec-12-10 05:35 PM Response to Reply #48 |
| 50. A well-regulated, free market zealot, would be a more accurate description. |
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| joshcryer
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Mon Dec-13-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #50 |
| 64. Not being allowed to cheat subverts the free market and makes it unfree. |
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| Creative
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Mon Dec-13-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #64 |
| 68. You should look a little harder for your response is not rational. |
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| JackDragna
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Mon Dec-13-10 10:29 PM Response to Reply #46 |
| 73. Socialism has nothing to do with anti-democratic governments. |
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| Rozlee
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Sun Dec-12-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
| 21. On one level, you're kind of describing the symbiosis of the current... |
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| Ruperto31
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Sun Dec-12-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #21 |
| 39. Yes, the right wing of the Republican Party is proto-fascist. |
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| AlphaCentauri
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Sun Dec-12-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
| 18. Socialism not equal to Fascist Corporatism |
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| Creative
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Sun Dec-12-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
| 23. They are very similar in that the government controls corporations under |
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| AlphaCentauri
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Sun Dec-12-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
| 25. Capitalism let corporations to control the government, is it Fascism? |
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| Creative
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Sun Dec-12-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
| 26. Lobbies...? That is an entirely different can of worms. |
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| AlphaCentauri
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Sun Dec-12-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #26 |
| 28. That is the balance of power nobody can predict to control government |
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| booley
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Sun Dec-12-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #23 |
| 32. Gov controlling corporations? |
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Sun Dec-12-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
| 40. Deleted message |
| Creative
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Sun Dec-12-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #40 |
| 42. You should educate yourself, for if you are unable to grasp the similarities between |
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Sun Dec-12-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #42 |
| 44. Deleted message |
| Creative
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Sun Dec-12-10 05:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
| 47. Imagine that, a communist trying to explain how he is not advocating totalitarianism. |
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| struggle4progress
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Sun Dec-12-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
| 24. Mussolini was expelled, from the Italian socialist party to which he once belonged, during WWI |
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| Creative
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Sun Dec-12-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
| 27. Not anti-socialist, but national socialist (NAZI). |
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| AlphaCentauri
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Sun Dec-12-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
| 29. well the NAZI party hated communist |
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| Creative
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Sun Dec-12-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #29 |
| 33. That is not entirely true. |
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| ChangoLoa
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Sun Dec-12-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #33 |
| 37. German communists were put in extermination camps by the nazis. |
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| Creative
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Sun Dec-12-10 05:04 PM Response to Reply #37 |
| 41. That was because of their relationship with Russian communists. |
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| ChangoLoa
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Sun Dec-12-10 06:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
| 57. Not at all, you're improvising. Fascism was born as reaction to communism/socialism |
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| struggle4progress
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Sun Dec-12-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
| 31. No, Nazism was a German political movement. Mussolini started Fascism, an Italian political movement |
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| Creative
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Sun Dec-12-10 04:34 PM Response to Reply #31 |
| 34. Their differences were so slight that they became allies. |
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| struggle4progress
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Sun Dec-12-10 06:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
| 56. This subthread is pointlessly derailing the main thread discussion, which involves nothing |
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| Creative
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Mon Dec-13-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #56 |
| 60. "The Nazis set out to suppress opponent group..." Really? |
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| struggle4progress
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Mon Dec-13-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #60 |
| 62. It's dishonest to compare the socialist SPD government of the Weimar era with the Nazis |
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| JackDragna
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Mon Dec-13-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #60 |
| 74. "Freedom" is not a political theory. |
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Sun Dec-12-10 05:13 PM Response to Reply #24 |
| 45. Deleted message |
| On the Road
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Sun Dec-12-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
| 35. Even if Fascism is Totalitarian, |
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| Creative
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Sun Dec-12-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #35 |
| 43. Yes, but under fascism, the relationship between the state and corporations is not voluntary. |
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| On the Road
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Sun Dec-12-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
| 53. It May be a Matter of Emphasis, |
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| Creative
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Mon Dec-13-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #53 |
| 59. The problem with your analogies is that no one controls the government. |
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| On the Road
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Mon Dec-13-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #59 |
| 61. They're Not Analogies |
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| Creative
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Mon Dec-13-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #61 |
| 63. Okay, the problem with your scenarios is that in one of them, |
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| On the Road
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Mon Dec-13-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #63 |
| 69. I Agree with You That Chavez Does Not Respect Property Rights |
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| Creative
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Tue Dec-14-10 08:56 PM Response to Reply #69 |
| 78. At least we can agree on the idea of property rights. |
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| defendandprotect
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Wed Dec-15-10 02:06 AM Response to Reply #6 |
| 79. Fascism begins much earlier in Northern Italy -- 1400's .... |
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| defendandprotect
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Wed Dec-15-10 02:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
| 80. US has killed more than 1 million Muslims based on lie about WMD ... is that fascism? |
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| robcon
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Sun Dec-12-10 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
| 3. That would mean the government would be able to control the media. |
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| NeoConsSuck
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Sun Dec-12-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #3 |
| 5. You are kidding, right? |
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| DissedByBush
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Sun Dec-12-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
| 13. Chavez wants to control the Internet now |
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| robinlynne
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Sun Dec-12-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
| 20. and what exactly do you think is happening here right now? hint: wikileaks |
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| AlphaCentauri
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Sun Dec-12-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #20 |
| 30. ouch! |
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| DissedByBush
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Sun Dec-12-10 06:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
| 55. Not ouch, just pathetic blind loyalty n/t |
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| DissedByBush
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Sun Dec-12-10 06:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
| 54. Nice try, but not even close |
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| joshcryer
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Mon Dec-13-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
| 66. The US doesn't have a Great Firewall (like China). |
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| robinlynne
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Mon Dec-13-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #66 |
| 70. The state department got paypal and mastercard to stop accepting payments from wikileaks. |
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| DissedByBush
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Mon Dec-13-10 11:22 PM Response to Reply #70 |
| 75. I can still get there |
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| Rage for Order
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Sun Dec-12-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #13 |
| 52. Venezuela isn't trying to censor the internet |
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| joshcryer
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Mon Dec-13-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #52 |
| 67. They are going to have a multi-gigabit connection. |
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| DissedByBush
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Mon Dec-13-10 11:47 PM Response to Reply #52 |
| 76. That was sarcasm, right? |
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| Judi Lynn
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Mon Dec-13-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
| 71. Television in Venezuela: Who Dominates the Media? |
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| DissedByBush
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Tue Dec-14-10 12:02 AM Response to Reply #71 |
| 77. And one by one he's getting rid of the opposition channels |
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| JDPriestly
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Sun Dec-12-10 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
| 8. Provea is the group that publishes this paper. |
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| bemildred
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Sun Dec-12-10 11:09 AM Response to Reply #8 |
| 10. NGOs seem to be proliferating like fleas on the hind end of a dog. nt |
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| joshcryer
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Mon Dec-13-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
| 65. The statistics are nothing new. |
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| rayofreason
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Sun Dec-12-10 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
| 12. Venezuela's murder rate,,, |
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| COLGATE4
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Sun Dec-12-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
| 36. Shhh. You'll have the cadre of Fearless Leader's idolizers on |
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| NoodleyAppendage
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Sun Dec-12-10 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
| 58. Per Capita, it does look like they are correct. See here... |
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