Obama administration readies indefinite detention order for Guantanamo detainees

[theHandpuppet]

Source: The Washington Post

Obama administration readies indefinite detention order for Guantanamo detainees
By Peter Finn and Anne E. Kornblut
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, December 21, 2010; 5:24 PM

The Obama administration is preparing an executive order that would formalize indefinite detention without trial for some detainees at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, but allow those detainees and their lawyers to challenge the basis for continued incarceration, U.S. officials said.

The administration has long signaled that the use of prolonged detention, preferably at a facility in the United States, was one element of its plan to close Guantanamo. An inter-agency task force found that 48 of the 174 detainees remaining at the facility would have to be held in what the administration calls prolonged detention.

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However, almost every part of the administration's plan to close Guantanamo is on hold, and it could be crippled this week if Congress bans the transfer of detainees to the United States for trial and sets up steep hurdles to the repatriation or resettlement in third countries of other detainees.

Officials worked intensively on the executive order over the past several weeks, but a senior White House official said it had been in the works for more than a year. If Congress blocks the administration's ability to put detainees on trial or transfer them out of Guantanamo, the official said, the executive order could still be implemented....

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/21/AR2010122104598.html?hpid=topnews

[redirish28]

1. What was that campaign promise again.........

(I am gagged. I won't express all of my feeling.)



[funny if this post is deleted kind of makes one wonder about speech on this board.)

[villager]

9. You mean the broken one? That one?

n/t

[redirish28]

16. SHHHH don't remind people that a campiagn promise is broken than you aren't a

true obama supporter.

[emilyg]

27. Allow me to correct you - put

an "s" on promise.

[redirish28]

29. Thanks for reminded me.

[bvar22]

60. Campaign Obama vs President Obama

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-15-2010/respect-my-authoritah

[Demeter]

56. Which Broken One?

their number is legion...

[IamK]

40. Part of the change was also changing the campaign promises,,,,

[texastoast]

2. More Bush Lite

This sucks.

[saigon68]

36. Nope its "MORE CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN"

Totally corrupted by the generals and the Corporate ruling classs

[dbonds]

43. This isn't even lite. Its the original flavor.

[EFerrari]

3. This is a human rights violation.

I have to stop reading this stuff because it makes me sick.

[Name removed]

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[abelenkpe]

45. + 1 nt

[Nihil]

54. Correct (on both counts). (n/t)

:-(

[derby378]

5. The next time someone wants to post a list of obscure accomplishments by this administration...

...show 'em this little tidbit and let them try to figure out a decent response.

[savalez]

19. Just like repealing that obscure DADT thing.

Of course I'm being sarcastic. But just because an accomplishment doesn't directly affect you shouldn't mean it's less important.

[derby378]

23. Hey, DADT repeal doesn't affect me, personally, one bit...

I've never served in the military, and I'm not even bi-curious. But I consider DADT repeal pretty damn important. I'm so glad Obama signed it into law.

[savalez]

25. I agree and I'm glad you see my point.

[Demeter]

57. Violation of the Rule of Law, Inernational Treaties, Committing War Crimes

directly affects all of us every minute of every day. Nobody has immunity, no one is innocent, and there's no right to trial by jury, confronting one's accusers, habeas corpus, and all those legal pieces of paper don't mean a blessed thing any longer.

A thousand years of progress, wiped out in one decision, constantly reinforced by the fascists and supported by....too many people who know better.

[Smashcut]

6. The Constitution really is just a "goddamn piece of paper"

This makes me want to vomit.

[The Northerner]

7. +1

[mmonk]

8. Keeping unconstitutional government rolling along.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

10. W and Dick would be proud, Obama. >:(

:puke:

You make me sick to my stomach, sir.

[AnOhioan]

11. More "change" we could all live without

[tomm2thumbs]

12. getting everything ready for Assange I see

the Supreme Court hopefully will have another view of this - although I often wonder if anyone is sane once they reach the outskirts of Washington DC's political zones.

[DeSwiss]

13. The "Professional Leftist" in me calls......

BULLSHIT.

- K&R

[davidthegnome]

14. Chains you can believe in

I want to hit something.

[FiveGoodMen]

15. Unacceptable.

This and his entire time in office.

[Stand and Fight]

17. I cannot support this guy for another bid for the White House.

I hated the Bush administration for its erosion of Constitutional Rights and I am on the road to feeling the same about the Obama administration. Flame away.

[emilyg]

28. No flame from me.

[Name removed]

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[saigon68]

38. Evil Draft Dodger Cheney cheers from the side lines

[Psephos]

47. This broken promise sticks in the craw like no other. n/t

[Autumn]

20. This is so wrong.

Put them on trial. The terrorist who bombed the World Trade Center is in prison for life, after a trial.
Justice does work, what the hell is Obama so afraid of?

[pmorlan1]

21. The Fall of the American Empire

When your own government no longer believes in the rule of law you know you are in serious trouble as a nation.

[SnakeEyes]

30. You want a continued American empire?

[Poll_Blind]

22. This perpetual incarceration brought to you, solely, by President Obama.

Yuck. This is a fraud.

PB

[sirthomas66]

24. Jesus H Christ. What is going on with this man? Is he trying out

for the Idi Amin award?

[NeoConsSuck]

52. And a Nobel Peace Prize winner to boot

I'm sure if they could back in time, they would never had given it to him.

[sirthomas66]

55. Yes. And they would be warranted to take it back. And then Norway

may not appear so shamed. I wonder if Obama is somehow the First Duke of Somerset reincarnated.

[truth2power]

26. This has been posted here before, but bears repeating..."A Man For All Seasons"

http://www.answers.com/topic/man-for-all-seasons-a

Although it is the law that eventually forces <Sir Thomas> More's execution, the play also makes several powerful statements in support of the rule of law. At one point More's future son-in-law, Roper, urges him to arrest Richard Rich, whose perjury will eventually lead to More's execution. More answers that Rich has broken no law, "And go he should if he were the Devil himself until he broke the law!" Roper is appalled at the idea of granting the Devil the benefit of law, but More is adamant.

"What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil? ... And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you - where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's, and if you cut them down -- and you're just the man to do it -- do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!"

Too bad that President Constitutional Scholar doesn't get it.

[Robb]

31. I advise reading this one all the way to the end.

The last two paragraphs in particular.

[BenzoDia]

33. Agreed. Don't stop at the headline.

[ixion]

37. The lasts two paragraphs are speculation and spin, ergo meaningless

the fact remains that Obama is continuing to edify the neocon's policies.

[The abyss]

32. news not unexpected. recommend this story.

The system is what it is.

Obama was never in a position to change anything. If he actually intended to change the way the machine operated he never would have made it outside of his home state.

The machine made that mistake once. They slammed the door hard in Dallas 1963.

[Solly Mack]

34. ...

././.

[ixion]

35. More Bush poilcy edification

how very f'ing lame. :grr: :argh:

[saigon68]

39. PH & D

Piled Higher and Deeper

[tpsbmam]

41. Al Franken

"Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them"

Can't imagine why that book suddenly popped into my head. :sarcasm:


:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[bitchkitty]

42. Wow. Like something the Bush admin would have done... n/t

[Johnny Harpo]

44. What A Surprise!....Another Broken Promise

n/t

[bhikkhu]

46. Life in prison, no charges filed, no trial, at the whim of the President

That's power the kings of england lost hundreds of years ago - not exactly a step forward.

[Vinnie From Indy]

50. +1

Sadly, millions of Americans have been programmed to think this type of thing is A-OK.

[somone]

48. Big Change there

Same old shit - or worse

[Name removed]

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[saigon68]

51. OOPS That won't last long here

[Nihil]

53. "indefinite detention without trial"

> The Obama administration is preparing an executive order that would formalize
> indefinite detention without trial

Compare and contrast to the phrase "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property,
without due process of law" in that document (well, one of the many) that is
apparently being regarded as outdated & irrelevent to the modern world.

:shrug:

"Most of the civilized nations of the world and human rights groups hold
unfavorable views of indefinite detention."

[Name removed]

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[tootrueleft]

59. Goddamn it. Heres the new boss..as the saying goes. Very disappointing.