Julian Assange says he could be killed in US jail

[Turborama]

Source: AFP

WIKILEAKS chief Julian Assange says there is a "high chance" he would be killed in a US jail if he were to be extradited from Britain on espionage charges.

The Australian is on bail in Britain fighting a bid by Sweden to extradite him over sex assault claims, but Washington is believed to be considering how to indict him over the leaking of thousands of US diplomatic cables.

Mr Assange told The Guardian it would be "politically impossible" for Britain to send him across the Atlantic, adding that the government of Prime Minister David Cameron would want to show it had not been "co-opted" by Washington. "Legally the UK has the right to not extradite for political crimes. Espionage is the classic case of political crimes. It is at the discretion of the UK government as to whether to apply to that exception," he said.

=snip=

Mr Assange added that if the United States succeeded in getting him extradited from Britain or Sweden, then there was a "high chance" of him being killed "Jack Ruby-style" in an American prison.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/julian-assange-says-he-could-be-killed-in-us-jail/story-e6frfku0-1225975847087

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The Guardian article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/23/julian-assange-fate-david-cameron

A historical refresher for anyone who might not know what Jack Ruby did...

On Sunday, November 24 Oswald was being led through the basement of Dallas Police Headquarters preparatory to his transfer to the county jail when, at 11:21 a.m., Dallas nightclub operator Jack Ruby stepped from the crowd and shot Oswald in the abdomen. Oswald died at 1:07 p.m. at Parkland Memorial Hospital—the same hospital where Kennedy had died two days earlier.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald#Death

[jaxx]

1. The guy is getting delusional.

I think he's watched too much tv.

[FreakinDJ]

2. Woman who set him up was CIA Connected

Who is Julian Assange’s chief accuser in Sweden? She’s a gender equity officer at Uppsula University – who chose to associate with a US funded group openly supported by a convicted terrorist and mass murderer. She just happens to have her work published by a very well funded group connected with Union Liberal Cubana – whose leader, Carlos Alberto Montaner, in turn just happened to pop up on right wing Colombian TV a few hours after the right-wing coup in Honduras. Where he joined the leader of the failed coup in Ecuador to savage Correa, the target of the coup. Montnaner also just happened to vociferously support the violent coup in Honduras, and chose to show up to sing the praises of the Honduran junta. Jean-Guy Allard, a retired Canadian journalist who now writes for Cuba’s Gramma, captured the moment

A strange pair appeared on NTN 24, the right-wing Colombian television channel aligned to the Fox Broadcasting Company the U.S. A few hours after the coup attempt in Quito, Ecuador, CIA agent Carlos Alberto Montaner, a fugitive from Cuban justice for acts of terrorism, joined with one of the leaders of the failed Ecuadorian coup, ex-Lieutenant Colonel Lucio Gutiérrez, to attack President Rafael Correa…

http://my.firedoglake.com/kirkmurphy/2010/12/04/assanges-chief-accuser-has-her-own-history-with-us-funded-anti-castro-groups-one-of-which-has-cia-ties/

Very probable

[jaxx]

3. Don't you think it's odd that FDL is casting about to find a perp?

Assange doesn't deny the sex happened. But he is totally innocent and two women are liars? Anyone who opposes Assange is being put into the spinner.

[LadyHawkAZ]

18. The women didn't deny the sex was consensual

but there is a large vocal group already screaming Rapist! as well. The spin is working both ways.

[sabrina 1]

42. No, I think it's odd that there seems to be an organized effort

to smear FDL because they did not agree with the Health Care bill. I think it is very odd, since most progressives did not agree with it. And I think it's even odder that the smears always use the same 'charges'.

'Omg, Jane engaged in bi-partisanship with Grover Norquist, she signed a petition he signed, kill that blog, OFF with her head!'

But what's even odder again is that the same people applaud President Obama's bi-partisanship with Grover Norquist who was invited to give advice at his Deficit Commission.

So, which is it, is it a mortal sin to associate with Norquist, or is it laudable to show such a spirit of bi-partisanship? I really want to know the answer to that question. Perhaps you can help us understand why what is good for the goosed is not good for the gander?

Some excellent writers on FDL.

[msanthrope]

23. The guy who makes that claim also thinks that the Jews in the WTC got texts telling them to leave

before the planes hit.

Seriously--you are quoting Israel Shamir, who sometimes goes by the name of Joren Jermas.

Who is well known in Europe for his fanciful conspiracy theories...including this one about 9/11.



"Jermas/Shamir himself is no stranger to conspiracy theories. When he visited Norway in 2001, he made the laughable claim in the mainstream newspaper Adresseavisa that many Jews received text messages warning them to get out of the World Trade Centre in New York before the terror attacks of 11 September."

http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/index.php?link=template&story=6

This is who you quote???

"Shamir also goes by the names Joran Jermas and Adam Ermash, having received the latter title in 2004 when he was baptized into the Greek Orthodox Church of Jerusalem. He is a Swedish citizen and spends much of his time in Stockholm.

Other entries on Shamir’s website make his feelings on Israel and Jews and the Holocaust clear. In one titled “Return of the Body Snatchers,” Shamir defends Swedish tabloid Aftonbladet’s 2009 report that IDF soldiers stole organs from dead Palestinians, saying, “It fits into a larger pattern. All over the world, Israel and Israelis are involvecd in trafficking human flesh, this modern form of cannibalism.”

The website includes other defenses of blood libels and one entry that states “Jews asked God to kill, destroy, humiliate, exterminate, defame, starve, impale Christians, to usher in Divine Vengeance and to cover God’s mantle with blood of goyim,” and that “the picture of Jews slaughtering children for cultic reasons exerted huge impact on the Christian peoples of Europe.”

Other writings by Shamir show him to be an avowed Holocaust-denier, including one entry where he says the Teheran Holocaust Conference of 2006 “proved that the Holocaust dogma is a basic tenet in the great world-embracing brainwashing machine of mass media,” and added that the prevalence of Holocaust awareness and education “show that the mass media machine is well integrated and concentrated in philosemitic, mostly Jewish hands. The occupation of Palestine by Jews is painful, but it is not more harmful than this captivity of free discourse.”"

http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/allposts/wikileaks-employs-holocaust-denier

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[The Doctor.]

20. Absolutely right!

Because no one with enemies is ever 'offed' in jail.

Thanks for pointing that out.

BTW, that was the lowest form of wit; :sarcasm:

[BenzoDia]

36. Dude, Julian Assange is not going to die in any jail.

It's just self-hyping b/c it feeds into conspiracy theories and creates headlines.

[sabrina 1]

43. The only reason he won't die in a U.;S. jail is because

no European country can legally extradite someone to any country that has a record of the torture and murder of people in custody. The U.S. has a policy of torture, does not view it as a crime and it does not prosecute, but rather protects torturers at the highest levels, as the Wikileaks documents have revealed.

But this president can order his assassination. It wouldn't be the first time, nor would he be the first journalist to be murdered by this country.

Are you saying this country doesn't kill people in their detention centers with a straight face? You know we have been condemned by the European Court of Human Rights and that the Wikileaks docs have revealed through the cables, that the U.S. hates the European Court of Human Rights and has mocked, in those cables, some of its most respected judges.

And we have had former elected officials calling for his assassination and rabid Americans calling for the murder of his son and family.

Do you have any idea how the rest of the world views this country? We are despised. Because there is no rule of law here for anyone connected to the MIC and the whole knows it.

Assange is a hero to most of the world and they view this country as completely deranges AND in polls everywhere, the U.S. is viewed as the 'biggest threat to world peace'.

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[sabrina 1]

53. Well, frankly, if I were an editor and publisher of a News Org

and a respected, former elected official of the world's biggest superpower called for my assassination, and the President of that Superpower has already issued an order to assassinate one of their own citizens, and the VP had called me a 'cyber terrorist', I would take any threats emanating from anyone in that country, very, very seriously. Especially if that country had a record of disappearing people while in custody and/or torturing them.

It is not Assange who needs to get a grip in this case, but yes, someone needs to deal with the deranged response to news orgs publishing leaks by a whistle-blower. Putin, eg, also not treated very well by Wikileaks, considering he was accused of being behind the murder of the poisoned Russion spy, stated that Assange should be given a Pulitzer Prize.

I wonder if people realize how this country looks to the rest of the world when they former VP candidates and Presidential candidates screaming for the murder of an award-winning publisher with encouragement, rather than condemnation from the WH? My friends in Europe think we are insane here.

[TorchTheWitch]

54. European countries extradite to the US all the damn time

They only won't extradite if the death penalty is still on the table. France won't extradite if a person has been found guilty in absentia (see the Ira Eikhorn extradition - although France did eventually agree to send his murdering ass back). The US has treaties with every European country that specifically document under what circumstances they and we will extradite - I suggest you read them. No European country recognizes that the US legally tortures prisoners. Gitmo is the exception as it is outside US borders and the torture was being done in SECRET. "Officially" no torture is going on even at Gitmo and Europe has agreed to believe this "official" story.

Trying to claim that solitary confinement is considered torture by Europe... guess what? THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT! Did you suddenly forget that Assange was being held in Britain in solitary confinement??? Yes, even European countries recognize that in some cases long term solitary confinement is necessary specifically for those prisoners who are too dangerous to be allowed to be in less restrictive circumstances, for those prisoners that are a danger to themselves and for those prisoners that it would be too dangerous for themselves to be housed otherwise (likely to be targeted for harm/murder). The difference between the US and most European countries is that in most European countries the conditions are less restrictive and geared toward earning more privileges and only a small percentage of prisoners are subjected to it whereas in the US we house prisoners in more restrictive circumstances that shouldn't be and a far higher percentage of them are held in such circumstances.

How interesting that now the claim is that Europe won't extradite Assange while also claiming the whole rape story is all made up just so that Assange could be extradited here and that Sweden and now Britain have been conspiring to do this! Do you not see how ridiculous this is? And guess what? If he ever does get extradited to the US it's going to be either Sweden or Britain that does it - those very same countries that are supposedly so evil they've been conspiring with the US to fake rape allegations in order to get him here. :eyes:

[reorg]

73. except if they suspect inhumane treatment, then it could take a while

Europe's highest court today (8 July 2010) said it would not allow Abu Hamza and three other men held in Britain to be extradited to the United States to face terrorism charges until it is satisfied they will not be treated inhumanely.

... The court in Strasbourg has already been considering the cases of the four men for three years, and has asked for more submissions to be made before it reaches a final ruling.

Hamza, the radical cleric who became the face of extremism in Britain, is serving a seven-year sentence in Britain after being convicted in 2006 of inciting hatred. The previous government had wanted him sent to the US before his jail term had been completed, but the extradition was halted after his lawyers went to the European court.

... The judges said they would consider whether imprisonment in solitary confinement for the three Britons amounted to inhumane treatment so serious that they could not be extradited.

The prison is in Florence, Colorado, and is known as ADX Florence for short: "The court considered that Mr Ahmad, Mr Aswat and Mr Ahsan were at real risk of being held at ADX Florence if convicted and that their complaints under Article 3 concerning the stringency of conditions there for what could be the rest of their lives, raised serious questions of fact and law which were of such complexity that the court had to examine them on the merits."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jul/08/abu-hamza-human-rights-ruling">read more in The Guardian

>>How interesting that now the claim is that Europe won't extradite Assange while also claiming the whole rape story is all made up just so that Assange could be extradited here and that Sweden and now Britain have been conspiring to do this! Do you not see how ridiculous this is? <<

Well, the European Court of Justice has the final say on the extradition and is not necessarily in cahoots with the slime in Sweden and the UK who might be eager to cooperate with the bullies from the US.

What you don't seem to get is that the smear and the molestation of Assange is already working, for four months now, even though no charges whatsoever have been brought and as trumped up as they may be. This situation may well continue for many YEARS if the Swedes or the Brits decide to act on some bogus "reasonable suspicion" of conspiracy or whatever the US may come up with.

[TorchTheWitch]

74. so what? are you in a hurry?

The US would probably prefer it that way anyway. Let him sit around in a European prison without trial for years and when they finally get him nobody will remember who the hell he is. Perfect.

[reorg]

76. Exactly

see my addition above. They are going to harass him with no end in sight. Question is, will it continue to serve as a distraction from government abuses published by Wikileaks or will it become a major story of harassment itself? Assange seems confident that the latter is going to happen, and while I'm a bit more skeptical, I hope he is right.

[The Flaming Red Head]

94. I guess Julian is lucky they didn't find one of those women's body's left behind in a hotel room

I always found the whole Ira(Mr Earth Day) thing odd, almost as odd as these fake rape allegations against Assange.

[reorg]

37. I wouldn't blame him for that

He's been on TV a lot these past months and the murder-inciting scum on Fox news have quite a few listeners.

Ironically, the most far-out conspiracists are currently spinning Assange into a tool of the CIA, they think he is supposed to provide a pretext for far-reaching censorship on the net. In this context, the metaphor of being killed "Jack Ruby style" would actually make sense.

[sabrina 1]

41. The guy is absolutely right. He cannot be sent to this country

under the EU countries' treaties because of this country's record of torture and even torturing people to death, and the law that permits the U.S. President to order the assassination of people designated as terrorists by him and this government.

Assange has been called a terrorist here by many prominent politicians, and since this country has been condemned for its human rights abuses by the European Court of Human rights, there is no legal way the U.S. can get their hands on him. However, Obama could order him to be assassinated in Britain. That's how low we have sunk.

[Ruperto31]

55. It's delusional to think this wouldn't happen.

Look at some of the comments about Bradley Manning on the Yahoo threads.

[tblue37]

67. Not at all! If he ends up in a US prison, they will have him killed. Bet on it! nt

[Puzzledtraveller]

75. Who writes this stuff?

The entire Wikileaks/Assange saga has always seemed contrived to me from the beginning. If the greater concern is the compromising of classified intel then the reaction of the US and those of our allies and "clients" does not match the purported severity of the leaks, and what they revealed. It plays like a sloppy script for a really ridiculous espionage thriller that would have been better suited for a Naked Gun style presentation. It just feels very odd to me, which makes me wonder, who would benefit to gain from fabricating all of this?

[The Doctor.]

82. Sorry if reality isn't particularly well-crafted.

This is one of those things that is as simple and ridiculous as it appears.

Nothin' fancy.

[JackRiddler]

85. The Vice President called him a high-tech terrorist and sitting Congress members

have called for his death, as have politicians and pundits around the world.

What's delusional here is not to acknowledge the use of Wikileaks by Lieberman et al. to launch an attack on freedom of the press and Internet. This is a highly dangerous, delusional government that already asserts global rights to detain or assassinate anyone at any time without warning.

And it's thanks to Wikileaks that we've learned much more than we knew about the extent of the murders already committed by this government.

[defendandprotect]

117. Attacks on journalism is the way the wind has been blowing in Washington for some long time now ...

frightening --

[ColesCountyDem]

4. What a drama queen!

:eyes:

[The Doctor.]

21. Really? Or

are you aware that jail is one of the best places to get someone eliminated?

[Pavulon]

22. Any names to back this up? Links(nt)

[HEyHEY]

26. No, it's true, I saw it in goodfellas

[The Doctor.]

28. Well, if you decide to pry yourself away from the TV,

and start living in reality, then you'll learn that it happens all the time here too.

[pipoman]

31. Name one person who has ever been murdered in ADX Florence

which is probably where he will go.

[The Doctor.]

51. You're kidding, right?

ADX Florence;

A high-security penitentiary in southern Colorado is separating its outside recreational yard into smaller segments following a violent riot in April that left two inmates dead.

...

On Aug. 10, following only a few days of non-lockdown status, the penitentiary was put on lockdown again following what the bureau stated was an inmate-on-inmate assault at the time, and what has now been confirmed to have ended in the death of a another prisoner.

http://coloradoindependent.com/12002/sources-federal-prison-reconstructing-inmate-yard-after-outdoor-riot


FLORENCE - An inmate who was beaten to death at the nation's most-secure prison suffered a fractured skull and brain injury, the coroner said.
Advertisement

Manuel Torrez, 64, died April 21 after he was assaulted by one or more inmates in an exercise area at the "Supermax" federal prison near Florence, authorities said.

Fremont County coroner Dorothy Twellman said this week Torrez was beaten around the head, neck and face. The FBI was investigating the killing. No suspects have been publically identified.

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=41497

Really?

[butterfly77]

96. They aren't kidding..

they are living here...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhlWddAXSRA

[HEyHEY]

32. Oh the irony

[The Doctor.]

52. What Irony?

It's a fact, people are murdered in jail all the time.

Your point appears to be that such a thing only happens on fictional television shows. You need to do a little research outside of TV land.

[The Doctor.]

103. Really... what irony?

Seriously, I'm curious.

I'll take your absence as a sign of graceful withdrawal.

[The Doctor.]

27. This is a joke, right? You're displaying your sense of sardonicism?

I know... in your sardonic world no one gets murdered in jail. Here in reality, on the other hand, people are murdered in jail all the time.


I put "killed in jail", just like that, in a search engine.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22killed+in+jail%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Guess what?

People are murdered in jail all the time.

It's sad to see that people around here can be so naïve. Just from those links;

Apr 26, 2010 ... MELBOURNE (Reuters) - Australia's most notorious mobster, jailed over a string of gangland killings which captivated the country and left 30 ...

Aug 16, 2010 ... Craigslist Killer Killed in Jail. The Craigslist Killer himself was killed in a Boston jail, where he was awaiting trial. .

Aug 5, 2009 ... The family of an 18-year-old inmate beaten to death at Rikers Island is suing the city.

Feb 18, 2009 ... An inmate at the Sacramento County Main Jail has been found dead in his cell and his cellmate has been arrested for murder.

Abuse priest killed in jail.(News) by "Sunday Mercury (Birmingham, England)"; General interest.

Suspect In Cop's Death Killed In Jail Cell. Full story: Hartford Courant. UPPER MARLBORO, Md. - - The death of a 19-year-old found slumped ...

Aug 27, 2006 ... Parents have son charged for borrowing the car, he's killed in jail · tvnz.co.nz — Ashley's family say his parents wanted to teach him a ...

Are you fucking kidding?

[ColesCountyDem]

57. I'm far from naive.

I'm a hard-core realist who knows, after decades of representing clients at the criminal-defense bar, that the vast majority of them are precisely where they belong. It is not required that one believe in a client's innocence, to be both an effective advocate and counselor.

Truer words were never spoken than, "Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time".

[The Doctor.]

70. Holy Shit.

I'm not sorry for this, but your words should not be forgotten;

"I'm far from naive.
Posted by ColesCountyDem


I'm a hard-core realist who knows, after decades of representing clients at the criminal-defense bar, that the vast majority of them are precisely where they belong. It is not required that one believe in a client's innocence, to be both an effective advocate and counselor.

Truer words were never spoken than, "Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time".


You really don't get it at all. Your words are very disturbing, and you don't know why, do you? If you are indeed what you claim to have been, then you have failed by your own words to have been the zealous advocate you swore to be.

On top of that, you have tacitly admitted that I am correct in assuming that people are killed in jail... as you already knew to be the case.



I hope, for your sake, that no one with a grievance against you waits on the other side.

[ColesCountyDem]

107. No, YOU don't get it.

95+% of people in jail are there because they actually DID what they were arrested for doing! Amazing, but true.

:eyes:

[The Flaming Red Head]

93. Oh my Gawd. Are you a public defender?

No wonder. I know so many horror stories about people like you. Pity your poor clients. You need to get into another field. No offense, but you saying the majority are where they belong, says it all. How sad.

[ColesCountyDem]

108. No, I wasn't a public defender.

You are naive, if you don't understand that 95+% of people are, in fact, guilty of having committed the crime they were arrested for.

[The Doctor.]

102. Aside from your having just proven that you were never fit for the job you did, Here's the question;

"Do you, 'ColesCountyDem', believe that no one has ever been killed in jail due to people taking exception to their actions in civilian life."

It's a pretty simple 'yes' or 'no' question.

I'm only asking this to prove that you are pretty much FOS. It's a question you can't answer because you know that in doing so, you will either display your ignorance or contradict your position.

[ColesCountyDem]

109. Belief in a client's guilt or innocence is irrelevant.

Believing that a client is, in fact, guilty is absolutely NO impediment to providing him/her with a vigorous, competent defense. Lawyers understand this.

[cosmicone]

80. You forgot Jefferey Dahmer n/t

[ColesCountyDem]

24. As a retired defense attorney, I'm well aware of what jail is.

It's also full of paranoid people.

[The Doctor.]

29. Of course you are there.

Say it; "people do not get killed in jail because they've made enemies on the outside."

Just tell me you agree with that.

[ColesCountyDem]

56. Cite me a concrete example, and maybe I would.

So far, none has been provided.

[Ruperto31]

61. Jeff Dahmer.

[ColesCountyDem]

62. He wasn't killed on 'orders', like Assange says he fears he will be. n/t

[The Doctor.]

99. Here's the question;

"Do you, 'ColesCountyDem', believe that no one has ever been killed in jail due to people taking exception to their actions in civilian life."

It's a pretty simple 'yes' or 'no' question.

I'm only asking this to prove that you are pretty much FOS. It's a question you can't answer because you know that in doing so, you will either display your ignorance or contradict your position.

[The Doctor.]

66. I asked you a question. It's quite simple.

Just assert that no one is killed in jail due to affiliations.

That's all.

I asked first. If you have your own questions, then I'll deal with them after you've answered mine.

As a retired attorney, you know damn well that doing otherwise on your part is only a stalling tactic.

[ColesCountyDem]

77. A simple jailhouse killing is not 'being targeted for death'.

Mr. Assange fears that he would be 'targeted' or 'marked' for death. I did not dare you to furnish proof that people are killed in US jails; rather, I asked you to furnish proof of anyone having been 'targeted' for death, and you have yet to do so.

[The Doctor.]

81. Being deliberately oblivious doesn't change reality you know.

Check some of those links and read the stories.

Pedophiles are 'targeted' and killed because of what they did.

Mobsters are targeted and killed because of their actions on the outside.

Julian Assange pissed of a lot of powerful people. It is naïve to think they can't have him dealt with.

There are two examples in some of the links I already provided, and if you don't remember how Lee Harvey Oswald was 'targeted for death', then you have some catching up to do.

[ColesCountyDem]

89. I'm not being 'deliberately oblivious'.

You seem to have a real bug up your ass about my request that you cite an example of someone being 'deliberately targeted' in jail, like Julian Assange has said he will be, and you failed to do so. Don't get all pissy with me because YOU failed.

[The Doctor.]

95. Please understand...

Until you answer my very first question, I will not play into your attempts to deflect. That you are so evasive tells me you have no conviction behind your implications.


So, once again; "Are you saying that no one has been killed in jail due to being targeted by enemies?"

The fact that you refuse to answer that simple question, one I asked you at the beginning of this exchange on this thread, tells everyone reading it that you know damn well that prison deaths can be attributed to any number of factors... including third party enmity.

It's sooooo simple, just state clearly that "No one has ever been killed in jail because they made enemies outside." and we'll go from there.

[ColesCountyDem]

106. I won't be answering your question until you answer mine, which was posed first.

Mr. Assange has made it perfectly clear that he's afraid he'll be 'targeted' and killed in a US jail. W#ho was the last person suspected of/charged with espionage or conspiracy to commit espionage who was killed in a US jail?

[The Doctor.]

113. So time moves backwards in your world?

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29. Of course you are there.

Say it; "people do not get killed in jail because they've made enemies on the outside."

Just tell me you agree with that."

What you've been doing is a classic example of moving the goalposts. You call him a 'drama queen' as though he is paranoid. Then, after noticing that people are killed in jail all the time, you suggest that he won't be because no one ever being held in jail on espionage charges has ever been killed.

I take that as tacit admission that you agree people are killed in jail for making enemies on the outside.

So even if I find an example and then you say "Well, his name wasn't 'Julian'.", how would that make any difference?

How would not finding an example mean he was perfectly safe?


People are killed in jail all the time. People who've made enemies are killed in jail all the time.

Julian Assange embarrassed a LOT of people. He has a good reason to think he is in danger anywhere, let alone surrounded by lifers who wouldn't consider Assange worth much more than a pack of smokes.

The logic is simple. It is reasonable to be concerned for him. To disagree is to simply be naïve.

[NashVegas]

83. Convicted child sex abuser and defrocked Roman Catholic priest John Geoghan died Saturday after ...

"... he was apparently strangled by a fellow inmate at a Massachusetts prison, according to local officials."

February 2004.

[ColesCountyDem]

90. Who, 'targeted' him?

No one on the 'outside', which is clearly what Mr. Assange says is his fear.

[The Doctor.]

98. Here's the question;

"Do you, 'ColesCountyDem', believe that no one has ever been killed in jail due to people taking exception to their actions in civilian life."

It's a pretty simple 'yes' or 'no' question.

I'm only asking this to prove that you are pretty much FOS. It's a question you can't answer because you know that in doing so, you will either display your ignorance or contradict your position.

[ColesCountyDem]

105. Your question is YOURS; mine was MINE.

It's not that hard to understand, is it?

[The Doctor.]

111. What's hard to understand is why you can't seem to answer it.

Actually, I know exactly why. You know that your position is faulty and you don't want to reveal it one way or the other.

[Ruperto31]

60. I think you're a doctor just like he's an attorney.

Online.

[ColesCountyDem]

63. I don't give a flying f*** what you believe.

Cheers!

:hi:

[The Doctor.]

69. That's nice, and I relish the sentiment...

but you really should be able to back up your assertions as a defense attorney if you submit such a deliberate claim to being one.

I asked you to simply acknowledge whether or not people are murdered in prisons due to vendettas.

You've failed.

Now, if I were a psychologist, I'd observe your evasiveness and consider that it suggests you have gone out on a limb and are particularly aware that you have done so.

Hell, I could be a convenient store clerk and decipher as much.

But I'm not.

Now... can you answer the question?

[ColesCountyDem]

71. How do you 'back it up' on an internet discussion board, for pity's sake?

I've not failed anywhere but in your own mind. What would you have me do, post my diploma and law license online here? Please!

:eyes:

[The Doctor.]

79. Or a link to your website might work.

Either way I could care less what you are, you still haven't answered the simple challenge.

"Now, 'if' I were a psychologist, I'd observe your evasiveness and consider that it suggests you have gone out on a limb and are particularly aware that you have done so"

So, do you care to answer?

[ColesCountyDem]

87. A website?

What website? Why would you think I had a website, for pity's sake? :eyes: As for answering your question, when I see a question in it, I'll answer it.

[The Doctor.]

97. Here's the question;

"Do you, 'ColesCountyDem', believe that no one has ever been killed in jail due to people taking exception to their actions in civilian life."

It's a pretty simple 'yes' or 'no' question.

I'm only asking this to prove that you are pretty much FOS. It's a question you can't answer because you know that in doing so, you will either display your ignorance or contradict your position.

[The Doctor.]

104. Well, you've failed to answer a simple question. That's reality, not 'my own mind'.

Here it is;

"Do you, 'ColesCountyDem', believe that no one has ever been killed in jail due to people taking exception to their actions in civilian life."

It's a pretty simple 'yes' or 'no' question.

I'm only asking this to prove that you are pretty much FOS. It's a question you can't answer because you know that in doing so, you will either display your ignorance or contradict your position.

If you had been paying any actual attention, then you would have properly read and interpreted the statement; "you really should be able to back up your assertions as a defense attorney if you submit such a deliberate claim to being one."

It tells me that you are not particularly focused when you mis-interpret something that is otherwise fairly simple. I never asked you to 'prove' you were what you claimed. I've little doubt by now that you even could.

No. I suggested that your 'profession' might lend you toward substantiation.


So, can you answer the above question?

[The Doctor.]

68. Hehehe...

I've never pulled rank in order to lend credulity to my argument. Nor will I. No, I present the science I'm familiar with, and sometimes I explain how I obtained it.

I've never respected the "I'm an expert" angle on a given argument. It's useless. If you know, then you present the argument, not your anonymous credentials.

If you are a lawyer, you cite law, not yourself.
If you are a Doctor, you cite medical research, not yourself.

If you do not understand such a distinction, then I hope you enjoy your snake-oil.

[ColesCountyDem]

72. Interesting theory....

Unfortunately, there ARE no 'legal citations' available for observed behaviors, which is what my comments were.

:eyes:

[The Doctor.]

78. Did you miss the point deliberately?

I used 'cite law' as an example of relevant legal expertise.

'I'm an attorney, therefore my assertions are correct.', is worthless. I've provided fair proof that people are killed in jail.

It's that simple.

[ColesCountyDem]

88. What?

You want me to cite relevant sections of the USCA to you, or something? I'm not missing your point deliberately-- you're failing to make one.

[The Doctor.]

100. In response to my suggestion that you've missed the point, you say; "What?" That's hilarious.

The question I've put to you is very simple, and you're not getting away from it unless you bail from the thread or you have a moderator in your pocket to delete my posts. I don't tolerate bullshit... ever.

"Do you, 'ColesCountyDem', believe that no one has ever been killed in jail due to people taking exception to their actions in civilian life."

It's a pretty simple 'yes' or 'no' question.

I'm only asking this to prove that you are pretty much FOS. It's a question you can't answer because you know that in doing so, you will either display your ignorance or contradict your position.

[ColesCountyDem]

110. Your question misses the point.You do understand what 'material' and 'relevant' mean, don't you?

[The Doctor.]

112. The question is highly relevant, otherwise you'd be able to answer it.

I could answer any irrelevant question, then ask you "why'd you ask that?".

This you can't answer because it is relevant. As for 'material', you are the one who made the assertion that fears of his being killed in jail are over-blown.

I made the assertion that they are not.

I am the only one that has brought 'material' information to the discussion.


You will not answer the question because you're already out on a limb, and answering will allow me to saw it off.

So just say, "I decline to answer" and we can call it a day.

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[The Doctor.]

101. Question for you;

"Do you, 'ColesCountyDem', believe that no one has ever been killed in jail due to people taking exception to their actions in civilian life."

It's a pretty simple 'yes' or 'no' question.

I'm only asking this to prove that you are pretty much FOS. It's a question you can't answer because you know that in doing so, you will either display your ignorance or contradict your position.

[customerserviceguy]

5. Well, maybe not killed

But Hillary will be sure to hand-select his 'roommate'.

[Robb]

6. "Jack Ruby style?" What, lung cancer?

You want to avoid this fate, cut out the ciggies, Jules. :D

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[Pavulon]

8. Could get killed tomorrow walkin his doggie..

the world is a dangerous place..

this guy is forever in the news.

[Wilms]

9. The "news" is more comfortable talking about Assange than the Wikileaks info...

...just an observation.

[Pavulon]

10. because most of the docs read above the 6th grade level

and most people dont know how their own country works...

OPPOSITION DEPUTY BLAMES LULA FOR AIR TRAFFIC CRISIS

TREASURY DEPUTY SECRETARY KIMMITT'S MEETING WITH..

http://cablesearch.org/?q=%3Anewest

SECRET and BORING.

[unkachuck]

11. Julian senses....

....an Oswaldian future?....I can see that.

[Pavulon]

12. He is going to kill the potus in dallas??

and then some wikinerd will kill him in the basement.. I sense a pollardian future for them both.

[glinda]

13. If he speaks the truth in his defense, he is dangerous to those who have motives or

have nothing to charge him with. I think he is right in that some one from the Government would want him dead. Just to shut him up. Just so that they could keep justifying their stories and spin.

[truedelphi]

34. I am sure that the Big Banking Crowd has their panties in a knot over

The Wikileaks about to show some more light on their practices.

Prison is a very easy place to arrange for someone's demise. If you have the bucks, you can get anything you want to have happen happen in jail. (And who in the Big Banking world doesn't have the bucks and some eleven trillion of those bucks used to belong to US!)

[iandhr]

14. We would bend over backwards to make sure that

did not happen .The conspiracy theorists of the world unite

[Turborama]

17. The only way they could "make sure that did not happen"...

...would be to incacerate him in solitary confinement for however long they decided to put him away for.

That fact alone would be enough to ensure he would not be extradited from the EU to the US.

[wellst0nev0ter]

15. Uh, Based On Everything That Has Happened In The Past Weeks

I would be paranoid if I were him too. Has he actually been charged with any goddamn crime yet?

[EFerrari]

16. No but he's walking around with an electronic monitor anyway.

[RetroLounge]

19. Well, if he was

a fair number of posters on this site would squeal with orgasmic delight.

RL

[micraphone]

25. Whoa people..

Remember Assange is an AUSTRALIAN citizen, being held in the UK...

How can he be possibly extradited to the US? On what grounds? He has broken no US laws, he is not even bound by US laws!

He is rightly fearful when he is planning on releasing details of the dirty dealings of US BANKS! Arguably the most powerful people in the world. If they want you dead....

On what legal grounds could the USA charge a foreign publisher with anything? Any more than they can charge a US newspaper with reporting his leaked documents.

Also the UK has obligations concerning allowing extradition to countries which allow the death penalty.

[pipoman]

30. Nobody has ever been murdered in ADX Florence..

[HEyHEY]

33. The Brits need to physically prevent him from being deported

roadblocks, etc.

[Rex]

38. Jail? Ha, he wouldn't get anywhere near a jail in America.

They would have his ass rendered off to some third world hellhole in a heartbeat. More like death from too much torture.

[Imagevision]

39. Interesting, Assange is charged with rape for not using a condom...

[Turborama]

40. No, he hasn't been charged with anything....

[sabrina 1]

44. Actually he hasn't been charged at all. If they have a case,

why don't they charge him? It's been months now that they are making these claims, but have not charged him. Why?

I think the answer is obvious, especially to anyone who has followed this from the beginning and who have learned anything about the women and their extremist lawyer.

[Le Taz Hot]

45. Not at all difficult to imagine.

And if they don't out and out kill him, they'll "Noriega" him. 'Member Noriega? When's the last time we heard from him? Answer: NEVER. Why? He worked WITH the U.S. Government and the C.I.A. and knows lots and lots of secrets.

[RZM]

46. Huh?

Noriega was sentenced to federal prison and released in 2007 ahead of schedule, though he apparently stayed in custody in preparation for extradition to France to face charges there. He is now serving a seven year sentence in a French prison. You don't hear about him because nobody cares.

[Le Taz Hot]

47. Nobody cares?

The U.S. Government cared enough to send in the Military to retrieve him. The POINT (remember that?) was, even if they don't arrange Assange's demise in prison, there are ways to ensure he doesn't get a world forum if he's in U.S. custody.

[RZM]

48. I think it's normal to deny federal prisoners a 'world forum'

Granted, I've never been to one, but I don't think that 'world forums' are normally handed out along with your jumpsuit.

It's prison. You don't get to give press conferences.

[Le Taz Hot]

49. "Vee vill NOTTTT allow zee vorld forums!"

Thank you, Frau Brucher.

[Ruperto31]

59. How about toilet paper? Can they have that?

[treestar]

84. What would be the point though?

Wikileaks would still run and still exist. It would not do a thing to prevent further leaks.

I vote for Julian being an attention seeker and drama queen.

[U4ikLefty]

64. I know one DUer that would have an orgasm if he were killed in jail.

You all know whom I'm talking about.

[JackRiddler]

86. I know lots of outright fascists who would too, but so what?

[kgnu_fan]

65. He is becoming more and more like a modern day Jesus...

who turn the table of money changers in "so called" Temple...


Go Julian, and stay safe!!!!

[Mudoria]

91. He would look good in Leavenworth

[Tikki]

92. More than likely, his plane would crash on the way to jail killing all aboard,,,

Tikki

[PavePusher]

114. Boo-hoo to poor little Julien.

I wonder if if he feels so bad about the people he's getting killed?

Screw him.

[Mojeoux]

115. Who was Killed? Because of the Wikileaks? Where? Nt.

[defendandprotect]

116. Agree ... and the right wing in America has pretty much been calling for his death...

Washington is to be feared --

think we all know that -- ???

[defendandprotect]

118. late K/R