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gaijinlaw (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:52 AM Original message |
Ind. court: No right to resist 'unlawful police entry' |
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nebenaube (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
1. Bullshit! |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. No, not really. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #7 |
29. Yes, really. |
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djg21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #29 |
43. Nonsense! |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. LOL... like an average citizen has any chance of redress |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:47 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. "like an average citizen has any chance of redress" They do and they have. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Uh, that was a massively high profile case |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. "lost everything"? |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #59 |
72. Is it your position... |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. About the same chance to resist... |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Not if we don't allow crap like this law to stand, but otherwise |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #43 |
64. Why is it... |
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gaijinlaw (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #64 |
84. Exactly |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
48. As djg21 said "Nonsense" |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #48 |
65. That line of reasoning... |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. You might want to read the amendment you quoted then. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. I never claimed it did. |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. You were the one who brought it up when it doesnt apply in this type of case. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. The problem... |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 07:17 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Deathly afraid of the consequences? |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #73 |
77. Reading is fundamental... |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. If the police violate your rights |
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gaijinlaw (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. I'm curious |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. I can imagine some reasons in theory |
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CBGLuthier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
2. criminalizing the 4th amendment |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
3. Exigent circumstances have been allowed in the past |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. It sounds like a overbroad ruling --same court also allowed 'no-knock' |
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Tafiti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:08 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Yep. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
4. "modern Fourth Amendment" |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #4 |
17. wait...an *activist* judge??? |
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thanks_imjustlurking (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 09:01 AM Response to Reply #4 |
75. My first thought exactly. nt |
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plumbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
5. Not even surprised. |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
6. Activist liberal courts. In case of rape you can't say NO |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
8. Land of the free |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
9. Making it easier for corrupt cops to clean up resistance. |
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mountainlion55 (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
10. The brown shirts |
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left on green only (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #10 |
86. This contributor speaks the truth! |
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daggahead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
12. Wow ... they just took a big crap on the 4th Amendment. n/t |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
13. That's you small government conservatives for you |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
14. Here is the Actual Opinion, Please note this is a CRIMINAL Case. |
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gaijinlaw (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Confu?ed by your subject line. |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:24 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Sorry, I correct not to Note, AND added the paragraph from the court Opinion |
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gaijinlaw (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
46. Summon the shire reeve! Wake the beadle!! |
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Fuddnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
16. The fourth amendment is a myth. |
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gaijinlaw (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Pretty sure it isn't |
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Fuddnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. The courts have made so many exceptions to it, it's meaningless. |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Read the case, the Court decision is correct, given the facts of the case |
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gaijinlaw (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #23 |
31. I'm less concerned with the facts of this particular case |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:04 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. You agreed with the dissent, that the decision is to broad |
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gaijinlaw (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:12 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Clarify please. |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. The dispute is, should the common law right to resist arrest be abolished or just modified |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
39. just like vampyres |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
21. How could you possibly expect a court to rule otherwise? |
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gaijinlaw (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #21 |
28. The Fourth Amendment and legal precedent |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. That decision is 111 years old. |
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gaijinlaw (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Two things: |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:32 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. They get pruned, trimmed, tailored to fit an evolving society. |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. How come rights always seem to get "pruned" or "trimmed" but never fertilized? |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Because the lowest common denominator among us can do a lot of harm. |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. You really are an Authoritarian |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Hey, I didn't make the world. I just explain it. |
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mountainlion55 (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 07:53 AM Response to Reply #60 |
74. Disagree 100% |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #60 |
87. And I'm sure you'd like nothing better |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:03 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. BS |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
22. Someone is going to get shot. |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. that what its going to take.. |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. That is what the Police were trying to prevent when they entered the house |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
26. This doesn't seem surprising or unusual to me .... |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
30. And the Police State marches on |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
37. As one of the biggest cop haters and anti-authoritarians on DU, this bothers me little. |
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RantinRavin (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. You are exactly correct |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. You are correct. Nothing prevents you from spending tens of thousands of dollars hiring a lawyer... |
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makhno (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #40 |
78. Exactly |
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Heywood J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #38 |
70. Except for the fact that now they know what they're looking for , |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Except I think there have been recent rulings on evidence |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 05:12 PM Response to Reply #41 |
63. Which means "I heard a toilet flush" will be cause for entry. |
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JoeyTrib (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #41 |
80. +1 |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
54. that's way out of line.... no way |
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tclambert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
55. What constitutes "resistance?" Refusing to unlock the door? |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
56. Next stop - federal courts and we'll see, if just perhaps, the U.S. |
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Duer 157099 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
58. OK, so the new thing for criminals will be to say they are police, right? |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Criminals have been pretending to be the good guys |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
61. BULLSHIT! The Pigs can kiss my ass! |
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unkachuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
67. we have.... |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
76. Fuck that noise |
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JoeyTrib (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
81. I agree with the dissenting opinion on this. |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. I agree |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
82. If the police want to come in they need to get a warrant. If they want to search you or your |
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