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brooklynite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 07:28 AM Original message |
Dominique Strauss-Kahn: IMF head 'hired prostitutes from Manhattan madam' |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 07:33 AM Response to Original message |
1. Pathetic. nt |
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blackdem76 (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
24. Sure is! n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
3. Who is Kristen Davis and why is she talking so publicly about her |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Same despicable person who was used to help take down Spitzer. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #14 |
51. Spitzer did what he was accused of, though. So, how can you blame her? |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 11:54 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Her "service" is human trafficking. |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 08:22 AM Response to Reply #51 |
88. "she has $500,000 in Swiss Bank Account" |
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Modern_Matthew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 08:54 AM Response to Reply #14 |
93. More power to her. I hope she releases her list of all high-profile clients. |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
4. Everything I read about this guy makes me sick. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
45. Can you link to speeches in which he calls the Greeks names? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
5. Must be a conspiracy |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
6. Client Number Eight? n/t |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
7. +1 for the Tom Petty reference |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
8. But hiring expensive hookers is what I expected. Not the other. |
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Blasphemer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I agree although, in this case, it might actually be related |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Are you under the illusion that rape involves critical |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Illusion? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Well said. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 10:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
116. Well said? You really think men don't use their positions of power to abuse women? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 11:05 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. No, I think what he did is stupid, and I think that deserves notice, explanation. |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Agreed, it is very odd |
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rayofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
29. "..suddenly turn into a violent sexual predator..."?? |
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brooklynite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. I wouldn't make this argument..... |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 02:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
46. Among men "of power and position" I expect this crime to be frequent and rarely reported. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 12:20 AM Response to Reply #11 |
59. It's naturally quite odd, he gave up the French presidency over it. |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 08:25 AM Response to Reply #11 |
91. What a load of bullshit. Please show me where I said "men" |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 10:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
115. No, what you saw was a man used to privilege and deference and getting away with abuse. |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. There's a reason feminists used to talk about "testosterone poisoning" |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
96. To be fair... what do you say in defense of Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann??? |
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sfwriter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. +1 eom |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #8 |
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athena (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. That is an incredibly convoluted and desperate argument. |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. I don't say this is how it went down but find it no less plausible |
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athena (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Or, more simply, he thought he would get away with it. |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 11:39 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. Uh-huh |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 11:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
36. You know Tristine Banon has a lawyer and says she is going to press charges |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 12:26 AM Response to Reply #23 |
37. 2010 book reports DSK assault on maid in Mexican hotel, 2007 Banon attack description |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
57. It's certainly less plausible than the evidence we have available. We know the defense is not... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 06:54 AM Response to Reply #19 |
39. I don't think the defense "I only attacked this woman because |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
56. Yeah, the defense isn't going that route anyway. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 01:35 AM Response to Reply #39 |
100. Normally, this would be called a "mistake of fact" defense |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 02:40 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Since the sentence would be simultaneous it wouldn't affect the outcome, as far as I can tell. |
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athena (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. One more thing. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Deleted message |
athena (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. You are assuming a lot of things there. |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. not at all |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. I like the idea of Bloomberg speaking Italian at that moment |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 07:22 AM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Yeah, you'd think he woulda said "toute suite" instead! |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 08:53 PM Response to Reply #25 |
49. He is charged with forcible anal and oral sex. |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. I tried to explain |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 06:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. That is exactly what I think probably happened, also, reorg. It fits completely. (nt) |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
30. You know, even prostitutes can be raped |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. are you deliberately misreading my post? |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 11:33 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Link the blog - I read French |
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athena (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #34 |
42. A few comments. |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Thanks for the links! |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Liberation |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 08:38 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. These links at least exonerate the French |
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athena (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. It's great to discuss this with a reasonable person. |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. It is clear that the French still believe in droit de seigneur |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
55. Nah, she didn't take the money and ran because she's uptight. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 11:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
33. That's seriously stupid speculation. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #33 |
54. I have to ashamedly admit that part of me had that initial reaction. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 06:52 AM Response to Reply #15 |
38. Oh you have got to be kidding me. Uptight? |
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Bunny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 07:37 AM Response to Reply #15 |
41. WHAT THE FUCK????? |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 08:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
50. I can't wait to read your defense of pedophile priests. n/t |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-20-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
53. Even if true that doesn't change anything. |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 12:24 AM Response to Reply #15 |
60. OK, this may be the strangest statement I have ever read on DU. |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 02:36 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Hm, not sure what you mean |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 03:35 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. As your link says "engaged in oral sexual conduct and anal sexual conduct...by forcible compulsion." |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 03:48 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. I have no idea what that means |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 03:52 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. I highly doubt there will be a trial. He'll plead guilty in a few months. |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 03:56 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. They call it sexual abuse in the charges. |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 04:14 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. perhaps you are overinterpreting? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 04:56 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. The mouth is an organ, it is composed of lips, tongue, teeth, etc. |
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athena (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 06:13 AM Response to Reply #70 |
73. In fact ... |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 06:19 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. exactly |
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athena (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 07:03 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Contact is all that is required. (n/t) |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 07:39 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. and yet |
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athena (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 07:56 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Forcible oral/anal contact are the same level of felony as forcible rape in NYC. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 07:58 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Thanks athena. |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 08:00 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. which poses the question |
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athena (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 08:21 AM Response to Reply #84 |
87. No, they are both class-B felonies. |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 08:24 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. yes, I checked again and noticed |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 12:11 AM Response to Reply #90 |
99. I'll call it a class-b felony from now on. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 07:53 AM Response to Reply #73 |
81. I thought New York did not consider oral insertion rape? |
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athena (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 05:56 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. No, there is no need to prove intent. |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 06:18 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. well, I'll take anything from you with a grain of salt |
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athena (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 07:06 AM Response to Reply #75 |
78. You will take New York State Law with a grain of salt? Good luck with that. |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 07:37 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. the law is more reasonable and specific |
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athena (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 08:02 AM Response to Reply #79 |
85. You have left out crucial information. |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #85 |
92. not really |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. You are one sick individual n/t |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 08:31 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. He can claim it all he wants, he will not be able to prove it. |
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athena (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 03:02 AM Response to Reply #92 |
102. You continue to post inaccurate and misleading statements. |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 03:43 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. you said it yourself, this is not about "rape" |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 03:45 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. What does it matter? |
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athena (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 03:57 AM Response to Reply #103 |
105. So you're now arguing that it is possible to use physical force but not "compel". |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 09:19 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. the description doesn't say he "hit her" |
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athena (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. Not worth it. (n/t) |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #105 |
107. another thing |
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athena (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. Not worth it. (n/t) |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #107 |
119. You are doing your absolute best to minimize this crime. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #72 |
108. Intent matters on the attempt charges |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 08:11 AM Response to Reply #65 |
86. Here's how various news organisations explain it. |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #86 |
94. sounds like an echo chamber |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 08:22 AM Response to Reply #62 |
89. Re socially acceted behaviour. |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 09:37 AM Response to Reply #89 |
95. prostitution is not the same as rape |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 12:49 AM Response to Original message |
61. I see nothing wrong with this. He's paying for it |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 03:15 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. so if you pay for it, it entitles you to abuse the service provider? |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 04:03 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. that's not what the "madam" said |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 04:57 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. right. so angry and rough that the girl didn't want to see him again. |
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reorg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 06:13 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. so you missed that quote? |
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rooboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
112. I think the point here isn't that he hired prostitutes... |
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athena (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 06:36 AM Response to Reply #112 |
118. It's no secret that he goes outside his marriage for sex. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
111. Kick...because DSK is a "sometimes refomer" who "got in trouble" but |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
113. No doubt the socialist perv just wanted to share the wealth with the |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
114. Of course he did. I'll bet he had a madam in every capital. He's not the only one, either. |
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