Bush's cabinet in disarray

[seemslikeadream]

Published: May 8 2004 5:00 | Last Updated: May 8 2004 5:00

As a former co-owner of the Texas Rangers baseball team, President George W. Bush needs no lessons in the value of team discipline. He must therefore be mortified by the breakdown in collective discipline at the highest levels of his administration.


Whatever their differences in private, senior cabinet members have largely held their tongues in public. The outward semblance of unity has now fractured, exacerbated by the chaos in Iraq and the controversy over the role of the US military in the torture and humiliation of Iraqi prisoners.

Mutual recrimination and the rewriting of history are pervasive. Thus we read in Bob Woodward's peep-hole account of the path to war that Colin Powell, secretary of state, likens neoconservatives at the department of defence to a Gestapo cell. This week, in GQ magazine, a senior Powell aide speaks of Paul Wolfowitz, the leading Pentagon hawk, in the same breath as Lenin. The neo-cons' retort that the department of state should be renamed the department of nice is almost shockingly polite by comparison.

Tensions between the Pentagon and state department are not new. The present divisions are more reminiscent of the Reagan administration when George Schultz and Caspar Weinberger fought almost daily over policy towards the Soviet Union. Then as now, the warring camps were pushing competing visions of American power.

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[PartyPooper]

1. God willing, in a year from now they'll all be gone.

We'll have a new president...a new administration.

But, it will take years to recover from this fucking mess!

[bleedingheart]

2. I think they should all go to prison

[Wind Dancer]

5. Ditto!

[Jack Rabbit]

10. !!

The Palace of Peace
The Hague
Home of the International Criminal Court

Photo from http://www.giani.org/hague1/index.htm

[goclark]

42. Oh Happy Day

I would absolutely plan a trip to the Hague for the Trial!
Let's all meet up and party there..oh happy day!

[Name removed]

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[The empressof all]

40. This woman

Even seeing this womans name in a post makes me cringe. She is dispicable.

[AlCzervik]

3. Now they're all

standing in a circle with guns to each others heads waiting for someone to flinch. I think the great unraveling has begun for real.

[opihimoimoi]

7. All too many in the WH Basement are considering updating their resumes

The rats are bailing, Prozac oders are up, JimBeam consumption up,
morale DOWN

[seemslikeadream]

17. updating their resumes - who's gonna hide the bodies

[AlCzervik]

21. trying to figure out

how to leave off the last 4 years. I guess they can all claim they were doing thesis work, that why they havent been employed for so long. A change of name and some groucho marx glasses with the mustache might also help.

[ColdWarZoomie]

25. K Street Beckons

"how to leave off the last 4 years. I guess they can all claim they were doing thesis work..."

Wish it were so, but there are plenty of Conservative think-tanks and lobbying firms to suck up these guys no matter how bad it gets.

[City Lights]

8. Good. Let's hope junior has gas.

:evilgrin:

[PaDUer]

15. Not a mention of Cheney at all...

WHAT did he know and when?

[Fovea]

20. It reminds me of the climax in 'Enemy of the State'.

Where one stupid move propagates into a cascade of stupid, fatal moves.

[robbedvoter]

29. Thank you for this! I shall carry this image and smile all day now!

No more perfect vindication than that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. We just may see the end of Shurb before November

One can hope

[bleedingheart]

6. one can only hope...

[cliss]

9. One can only hope, Nadin.

I was thinking about this issue all day today, as I was trying to get some work done at the office. It was really tough.

I thought, isn't it amazing how quickly these thugs were able to get into the White House and run it into the ground. Not only have they shit all over Washington, but they took their messes all over the world and made it one big toilet.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. I write fiction for a living but I have not been able to

get any done, I could not make this shit up, or hell sell it...

That said, I have had the feeling since last year that the child does not end his term... and I think we are gonna see it... hey what about that damn gut feeling huh?

[DemoTex]

13. I write fiction for bread, too.

Actually, I see opportunity. When things are this weird, art thrives. In fact, I have a working short story going called "Bush in Vietnam." Fiction, mind you.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. I'll admit it, give it a couple days for this

to percolate... will go into the background for an RPG we are working on

All this shit has gone into the background

Speaking off... if you can get your paws on Armagedon 2089... even they were tame in what could be wrong...

[RC]

18. Yeah, I bet that story is real short.

:evilgrin:

[DemoTex]

19. Actually, it is a long, hard-worked story.

It puts Bu$h in RVN as a fuck-up fighter pilot, on my wing (Chic Alors!) over Laos and the Ho Chi Mihn Trail. Again, a work-in-progress. Might work, might not.

[saigon68]

24. Don't forget the Fac

Hit my smoke--LOL

[TahitiNut]

27. God! Can you imagine being a FAC and having Shrub on the ...

... other end? Man, talk about low life expectancy! (I have an image of the ants climbling on top of my golf ball ... safest place when I'm swinging the club.)

[saigon68]

28. I'd orbit well out the way of his direction of attack

And well clear of his pull out. I wonder if he was as shitty as a pilot, as he is as a President?

On the other hand maybe we can put him in with a load of snake and nape at 500' AGL over Tchepone. In Steel Tiger, he would know what the asshole pucker factor of a quad ZSU-23-4 searching for him was.

But alas a fantasy--he is and was THE COWARDLY CHIMPANZEE.

[TahitiNut]

30. I remember when we called in napalm ...

... at early dawn February 23/24, 1969 just south of Long Binh's south perimeter to deal with an augmented batallion of NVA that had retrenched. I wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere even close to where I was if the DimSon was doing any of those passes. He'd have wiped out all of Long Binh and half of Bien Hoa before crashing in some village.


On edit: LOL! Yup... it was "snake and nape" (it's been a loooong time since I heard that). I remember being chilled to the bone by the display. I just couldn't imagine the kind of hell that ridge line must've been. The gooey flames surrounding the explosions of bombs and bomblets was an inferno I'd never imagined. (Gawd!)

[saigon68]

31. LAM SON 719

I was there

http://www.a101avn.org/LamSon719.html

That's what the reference was

[seemslikeadream]

33. saigon68 - you have my heart

The picture on page one is of the KIA body of 1LT Morris Alfred "Butch" Simpson being carried into the hospital at Khe Sanh. The guy between the body and the Medivac helicopter is Malcolm "Mac" W Jones, Jr. Butch took a single AK-47 round in the head, his crew chief flew the aircraft back to Khe Sahn, Feb 28, 1971. Butch was a Scout Pilot from Richlands Hills, Tx. Butch and Mac were both with C Troop, 2/17 Cavalry Squadron.

[seemslikeadream]

34. But in Laos, man, they hunt for you.

The following excerpt from Newsweek, 15 March 1971, was more objective than most at the time:

To the modern American cavalryman of the air, the plunge into Laos has been something like an old-time charge on horseback: admirably heroic, stunningly effective-and terribly costly. For four weeks now, American helicopter pilots have flown through some of the heaviest flak in the history of the Indochinese war. One-day alone last week, the Army admitted to losing ten aircraft to the unexpectedly heavy North Vietnamese ground fire, and there were reports from the field that the actual losses had been much worse. As a result, the customary bravado of the American chopper pilot was beginning to wear a bit thin. "Two weeks ago," said one gunship skipper, "I couldn't have told you how much time I had left to serve in Vietnam. Now I know that I've got 66 days to go, and I'm counting every one." Another flier added anxiously: "The roles are reversed over there. In Vietnam, you have to hunt for the enemy. But in Laos, man, they hunt for you.

[seemslikeadream]

36. You know what it means to be in a "Band of Brothers".

There was no better place to serve than in A/101, and I think the Comancheros of today feel the same way. When guys risk their lives to come after you, you know what it means to be in a "Band of Brothers".
Bob Morris - Comanchero 30

[Lisa]

44. could this be the next "Catch-22"?

Good luck with it!

Personally, I don't think I ever could have made up such a cringe-inducing character as the Shrub. Guess my imagination isn't warped enough. (Unlike, say, Bar Bush's.)

[TahitiNut]

26. War comic books in his back pocket ...

... and dealing on the black market?

[Skittles]

35. lol.........................Demo

"Bush in Viet Nam". When he was really defending Texas from Oklahoma!!! :D

[Don_G]

37. I Thought He Was Defending Texas From Alabama

:shrug:

[freetobegay]

12. When wasn't it in disarray?

[pippin]

22. from the start

the white house bunch were and are a freeking bunch of arrogant, underinformed and stupid amateurs. How can we ever be forgiven for the mess we've created not only in Iraq but in the world? Bush co., must be brought to justice one way or another. Can't see how the world can let them off scot free if and when Bush gets thrown out of the white house. Hitler at least had the "decency" to kill himself when he saw that the walls were closing in, but it would be too much to expect Shrub, the Dick, Wolfie, Condi , Rummy and Rove to fall on their swords. :mad:

[Dulcinea]

45. Not gonna happen.

They don't think they've done anything wrong. They're never wrong about anything, didn't you know that?!

<sarcasm>

[Guava Jelly]

23. let me see

Condi ignored 911 warnings
rummy ignored reports of prisoner abuse
powell ignored evidence that iraq had mobile weapons labs that it didnt
cheney/rove ignored the law and blew Valerie Plames cover
Bush ignored the world about invading Iraq ( you know focus group)
feel free to add
New bush Slogan

We Came We Saw We Ignored

[Karenina]

32. Good one!

:toast:

[cliss]

41. Really nice.

Instead of veni vidi vici,

veni, vidi, ignori

[crossroads]

46. Bush has to keep Condi

And this is why!

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VADGAnwb4L4sRluU5Cji5NbKbfPnEfKJZaobC8lIWNrzlC0YgkXFv1a1q83hBU7a2lwENH!pXh!5EDHLiGc3DNxFMBY84fxLQu71Ju6qHDOzaCX8mcZYS1mnOSjRdDlu/condi_gun.jpg?dc=4675470585244371227

[shanti]

38. it's funny that we haven't

seen hide nor hair of condi or asscrack...wonder what they're up to?

[seemslikeadream]

39. here

[crossroads]

47. Good one!

[goclark]

43. She apologized

On Iraqi TV. I never saw the clip, did anyone see it?