Abu Ghraib general says she's being made a scapegoat

[Judi Lynn]

Abu Ghraib general says she's being made a scapegoat
By Associated Press, 6/15/2004 03:00

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LONDON (AP) The American general who was in charge of Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison said she was being made a scapegoat for the abuse of detainees and claimed her counterpart at Guantanamo Bay once told her that prisoners were ''like dogs.''

In an interview with British Broadcasting Corp. radio that was broadcast Tuesday, Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski said Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller told her prisoners ''are like dogs, and if you allow them to believe at any point that they are more than a dog then you've lost control of them.''

Miller was in charge of the Guantanamo Bay detention camp in Cuba and now oversees U.S. prisons in Iraq.

Karpinski was suspended last month from command of the 800th Military Police Brigade after she and other officers were faulted by Army investigators for paying too little attention to the prison's day-to-day operations and not acting strongly enough to discipline soldiers for violating standard procedures.
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http://www.boston.com/dailynews/167/world/Abu_Ghraib_general_says_she_s_:.shtml

[aquart]

1. She's decided to fight? Hoo hah!

[physioex]

4. She bears more responsibility than the privates...

But her higher ups bear more responsibilty than her. After all, she just follows orders. The real blame goes on Rummy and his arrogant PNAC ass.....

[Algomas]

2. Heads will roll...

Hahahahaha

[0rganism]

3. Oooh! Oooh! the generals are gonna have it out!

Just when I thought it couldn't get messier... well, bless my fat ass. Pass the popcorn, and warm up the television.

[Solly Mack]

11. Nothing sparks blame shifting & finger-pointing like

officers duking it out.

[Scurrilous]

5. Iraq abuse 'came from Guantanamo'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3806713.stm

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The US commander at the centre of the Iraqi prisoner scandal has blamed the abuse on the introduction of Guantanamo-style interrogation methods.

"Brig Gen Janis Karpinski told the BBC the high-level decision meant prisoners had to be treated like dogs.

Top US commander for Iraq, Gen Ricardo Sanchez, should be asked what he knew about the abuse, she told BBC Radio 4's On The Ropes programme."

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"Gen Karpinski said military intelligence took over part of the Abu Ghraib jail to "Gitmoize" their interrogations - make them more like what was happening in the detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, which is nicknamed "Gitmo".

She said current Iraqi prisons chief Maj Gen Geoffrey Miller - who was in charge at Guantanamo Bay - visited her in Baghdad and said: "At Guantanamo Bay we learned that the prisoners have to earn every single thing that they have."

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"Gen Karpinski repeated that she knew nothing of the humiliation and torture of Iraq prisoners that was going on inside Abu Ghraib - she was made a scapegoat."

[Turley]

6. First she said she didn't know anything

and now she's a virtual font of information on what was going on. Hmmmmm.

[Kagemusha]

7. She's picky about what she didn't know anything about.

Knows about what generals said, not about what occured under her (paper) command.

[I thought so.]

8. The responsibly is in the White House.

Gonzales created it and Bush signed off on it. Gonzales also said in 9/2002 that there was already legal authority to invade Iraq. Bush wants to put him on the Supreme Court.

Oh but both parties are the same.

[Disturbed]

9. She is correct but shares accountability.

She will probably get charged with derelection of duty or something but she is correct that she is not the only one that needs to be held accountable. All of them must be held accountable right up to the Pres.

[Redhead488]

14. She is culpable, as well as those above her

The soldiers who carried out the torture and humiliation were under HER command. If they took orders from someone NOT in their chain of command, she is to blame for that as well: poor training and oversight. If she had been doing her damn job, she might have been able to prevent some of this. Where are her official protests up her chain of command at not having total control of the jail? Where are her statements to superiors that she disagreed with the amount of control in HER prison being granted to military intelligence? At the VERY least she should have been courtmartialed for dereliction of duty.

[spooked]

10. "Iraq is free of rape rooms and torture chambers" NOT!

"Iraq is free of rape rooms and torture chambers."
—President Bush, remarks to 2003 Republican National Committee Presidential Gala, Oct. 8, 2003

"One thing is for certain: There won't be any more mass graves and torture rooms and rape rooms."
—Bush, press availability in Monterrey, Mexico, Jan. 12, 2004

"Saddam Hussein now sits in a prison cell, and Iraqi men and women are no longer carried to torture chambers and rape rooms …"
—Bush, remarks on "Winston Churchill and the War on Terror," Feb. 4, 2004

"Every woman in Iraq is better off because the rape rooms and torture chambers of Saddam Hussein are forever closed."
—Bush, remarks on "Efforts to Globally Promote Women's Human Rights," March 12, 2004

"There's still remnants of that regime that would like to take it back. … They could torture people and have rape rooms, and the world would turn their head from that and let it happen. But they can't do that anymore."
—Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, BBC interview, March 16, 2004

"There are no more rape rooms and torture chambers in Iraq."
—National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, CBS Early Show, March 19, 2004

http://bushlied.yafro.com/photo/308489

[spooked]

12. Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller was head of Guantanamo for 16 months!

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=78956

Is the Man from Guantánamo the Right Man for Iraq?

by Peter Ogden
May 17, 2004

Miller is the Pentagon's choice to run the prison system in Iraq, and he is charged with the vital task of introducing law, order and decency to a prison system that lacks all three...

Back on the map after spending the last sixteen months on the Cuban coast in charge of 600 detainees, Miller has already promised to "Gitmo-ize" the operation, according to the outgoing head of Iraq's prison, Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski...

This is, in fact, Miller's second attempt to "Gitmo-ize" the Iraqi prisons. Last August, top Pentagon officials dispatched Miller with orders to find better ways of extracting intelligence from prisoners...

Miller's tenure at Guantánamo is haunted by the charges of abuse and torture that have been leveled by several former inmates. They describe shocking forms of physical and psychological duress (beatings, solitary confinement, inadequate medical treatment), as well as sexual humiliation (forced viewing of naked female prostitutes) that would be difficult to believe were they not so uncannily similar to the types of abuse that have been captured on film at Abu Ghraib.

[skypilot]

13. That Geoffrey Miller prick...

...gets right under my skin. He strikes me as being extremely careerist and opportunistic. He'll go far, unfortunately.

[Moderator]

15. Duplicate

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=622977