Bush Disputes 9/11 Panel.....

[charlie105]

Bush Says There Were Ties Between Iraq and Al Qaeda, Disputing 9/11 Panel.

As per the NY Times. Details not available yet.

http://www.nytimes.com

[Cush]

1. But he said there weren't ties a few months ago

they can't even keep their lies straight

[punpirate]

4. No, Bush can't....

Never has been able to. Never will.

What can I say? His primary source is Dick Cheney....

[Goldmund]

5. No, he said that there was no evidence...

...that Iraq was involved in 9/11.

However, he _is_ contradicting Paul Wolfowitz who explicitly said there were no links between Iraq and Al Qaeda. Him, and pretty much every intelligence expert and agency in the world.

[0rganism]

59. I'm curious what kind of evidence that would be...

So let's hypothesize that we DO have evidence that Iraq WAS supporting Al Qaeda, materially and/or operationally. Then, wouldn't we have to presume that Iraq was involved in the attacks of Sept. 11, whether in a support role or directly? That would, itself, constitute circumstantial evidence for Iraq's involvment in the 9/11 attacks.

For there to be NO evidence linking Iraq to the Al Qaeda attacks, yet evidence of Saddam's active support of Al Qaeda... that's a very fine line to tread. Could he honestly say, "there is no evidence that Iraq was involved in the attacks of Sept. 11," knowing full well that Al Qaeda was behind the attacks and Saddam Hussein was willingly supporting Al Qaeda operations? The intelligence would have to be exceedingly precise, down to what was and was not discussed at Al Qaeda staff meetings.

Somehow, I don't think so. This represents a significant deviation from bush's earlier rhetoric, as well as Wolfowitz's.

[charlie105]

2. That's just clarification. Not a flip-flop!

[rusty charly]

3. dick gregory

just said on MSNBC that regardless of the hussein/9-11 non-connection, bush said the world is safer and "there's no disputing that"

thanks, greg...

[yellowcanine]

8. Dick Gregory said that? Well I don't feel any safer, do you? Terrorist

atttacks have increased, a view that pevails in spite of the efforts of the * administration to cook the books to make it seem otherwise.

[k in IA]

12. I heard yesterday that the new talking point for them now that

there are no WMD and no connection to AQ is that the "no one can dispute that the world is a better place now that SH is no longer in power".

Oh well then, who cares what they told us to get into the war. We need to start looking forward, not backward.

Give me a fricken break.

[damnraddem]

42. I wonder: do 800+ dead US soldiers ...

feel that the world is a better place?

[Sabriel]

50. Typical GOP!

1. Keep saying something is true, despite all evidence to the contrary.

2. If that fails, replace it with a new, improved talking point for the media to focus on.

Sabriel

[leftchick]

14. hey dick, this guy feels much safer I am sure....

what a fucking maroon....



An Iraqi man lies wounded in hospital after a car bomb explosion outside a recruiting center in Baghdad, June 17, 2004. A suicide car bomber killed 35 people and wounded 119 at an Iraqi military base on Thursday as guerrillas intensified a bloody campaign to sabotage plans for U.S.-led occupation to give way to Iraqi rule on June 30. REUTERS/Ali Jasim

[wryter2000]

15. There absolutely is disputing that

The world is not safer without him. Some of his people are safer from him. Other than that, the world is a much, much, much more dangerous place because we invaded.

[74dodgedart]

18. Its not any safer if you happen to live in the ME..

Tell it to the Spanish, or the Saudi Arabians..

[Beetwasher]

20. Dick Must Have Missed The Terrorism Report

that initially claimed a drop in terror, but it turns out that it was Orwelled and that there was a sharp increase in terror.

Hey Dick, you heard about that, right?

[lancdem]

26. I think you mean David Gregory

:)

[grasswire]

27. write him a note

tell him his error, politely

[e-mail]

[Bandit]

38. Well they should read the government report on terrorism

Last year was the bloodiest in over twenty years according to US Government Terrorism Report. So are we safer now? The proof seems to indicate otherwise. There is no disputing that, and that fact alone disputes their spin plainly and decisively.

[Merlin]

39. NOT DICK GREGORY . Please do not slur the name of a great man.

Dick Gregory is a friend and a personal hero. He is a brilliant, courageous liberal who would NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS say what is quoted above.

Dick Gregory is one of the great men of our time.

DAVID Gregory is something else all together.

Given that Dick is black and David is white, they're probably not related either.

[Octafish]

45. What Merlin said.

"Dick Gregory is one of the great men of our time."

I heard him speak waaay back when he visited Lake Michigan College. A great day for me. And he put up with one nosy photographer.

[Merlin]

58. Matter of fact, Octy, I met him at...

a JFK assassination conference in Chicago in '93. Never forget the story he told.

During the HSCA hearings in '78, Mark Lane invited Dick, Walter Fauntroy (HSCA member), and Louis Stokes (HSCA chairman) to his DC townhouse for dinner. The HSCA at that point was focussed on their report on MLK's murder.

They sat in the living room, looking out Lane's window which has a perfect view of the Supreme Court building.

Before dinner, Lane asked Dick if he would say a special grace. They all kneeled down on the oval woolen rug. Dick prayed that God would give the committee members courage to be honest in their report, and the wisdom to conclude who the true murderers of Dr. King were.

After the "Amen," Stokes said "Dick, we KNOW who killed Martin. The FBI killed him. There's very little doubt about that. But we sure as hell can't say that publicly."

Dick replied, "Now Louis, you know what Martin would say. Martin would want you to have the courage to tell it like it truly is!"

Stokes responded, "Yes, Dick. And look what happened to Martin."

Sad story, but true.

Dick and I talked for a long time that day in Chicago. He's the kind of guy you want to say you just love.

[0007]

47. Dick Gregory is one of my hero's, I was getting pissed until

we found that a poster didn't know the fucking difference between Dick and David.

I couldn't believe in a 1000 years Dick Gregory would support junior and a stupid statement.

[rusty charly]

56. i know

"the fucking difference between dick and david", asshole. i was angry and typing fast.

[Terran]

44. Tell that to

the people of Madrid. Safer? Um, suuuuure.

[bossfish]

54. Dick Gregory?

The old comedian?

Isn't there an MSNBC talking head named David Gregory? The one Bush insulted in France?

[Tansy_Gold]

57. Are you sure that wasn't DAVID Gregory?

n/t

[Malva Zebrina]

6. there is some reason for this

Randi Rhodes has been playing the inconsistency yesterday, more than one time. I expect she will run it again today. First Bush says no connection, then he says yes there is a connection

I intuit there is some reason and I think it it a legal consideration.

Some one really should challenge this and I think it should be Kerry.

Is that too much to ask from our candidate or are we all going to be bullied again, lied to, have the cruel sword of terror and fear unleashed upon us by this administration----again

I have the feeling he lied, or Cheney or someone lied and now they MUST stick to this story no matter how incongruous or inconsistent it is

and we will sit and watch them do it and no one will speak out loudly against these lies most likely.

Kerry should simply request Bush "prove it"

[rusty charly]

10. like the "kerry

should cite which european leaders want him to win" tactic... that failed

[Malva Zebrina]

29. that was not smart on the part of Kerry, but it did not seem to hurt him

We, I am talking about
we the people, were NOT harmed by any of those
european leaders. It was blurted out by Kerry in his pursuit of his candidacy and it turns out to be right anyhow.

No--I am talking about:

WE are being hurt by these lies from Powell,
cheney. Bush , Rice and all the rest of them, and NO ONE from the opposition is coming forward to challenge anything the liars say and what they are saying is actually threatening to us. You know, we the people, who think we have two parties but are discovering in a very sad loss of innocence, that politics is all bull shit.

They simply brazenly lie and do it and dare anyone to question it, knowing of course, there is no one with the power or the inclination to do so.

[whistle]

17. Is it possible for BushCo to be holding back evidence of their claims...

...or that they might just produce evidence of such a link even if it is a forgery?

Remember, they used the "yellow cake" argument to get this country into a war with Iraq. They could say that they were rummaging through Saddam's files (paper and/or electronic) and just found a communication between Saddam and Osama that had previously been overlooked. No matter if it's authentic or not. BuschCo/Rove know that enough Americans can be made to believe the claim until after the election.

Only a theory, but in this "Alice-through-the-looking-glass" world that BushCo has created for us, anything is possible.

[Malva Zebrina]

36. seems as if they deliberately are creating chaos

I have never seen my husband so angry--he is watching CNN while eating dinner. They report on this item from the panel. Immediately following, he said, was a blip from Bush denying the truth of the panel's findings and he is furious at the arrogance and outright bully tactics of this little, little man.

[gratuitous]

7. So, what is his "evidence"?

You know, "evidence"? Like what would "prove" what Lil George is saying? Particularly since he said exactly the opposite a couple of month ago. Was he lying then? Or is he lying now? Because the statements are mutually exclusive. They can't both be true.

[charlie105]

9. The right-wing radio hacks have been labelling the

9/11 commission a partisan group (left-leaning, of course) for months now. I guess the pResident has decided to join the chorus.

[lovedems]

11. I guess they have their heads so buried in the sand

(and therefor their asses exposed) that they haven't yet realized people don't believe them or their rationale for war.

I am astounded that Bu$h runs on NCLB as if it is a good thing, the "booming economic recovery" and how the chimp single handedly takes credit for it and that Kerry is against the Patriot Act as if it is a sin. Not to mention the pandering for the homophobic bigot vote and pushing a constitutional amendment that a majority of Americans don't seem to support. I guess I am not surprised by this added lie they continue to pass off as truth.

They are certainly out of touch with mainstream America and don't yet realize it.

[wryter2000]

13. Watch the man behind the curtain

He's doing it again. He's saying Iraq and Al Qaeda, not Saddam and Al Qaeda. It's possible the Ansar al Islam was operating in the north outside Saddam's control, and they could be tied to Al Qaeda. Of course, our invasion gave them (and Al Zarqawi) access to the entire country and over 100,000 Americans.

[HuckleB]

24. Yeah, that's what they'll try to pull, I suppose.

Not that Ansar al Islam had anything to do with 9-11, of course. And not that Saddam could do much about them, since they were in the Kurdish no-fly zone where Saddam's troops wouldn't dare tread anymore thanks to our surveillance flights and bombing.

[Mountainman]

16. It's an attempt to bring the poll numbers up.

Rove knows that there are a group of idiots that will believe anything that comes out of the dufus in cheif's mouth. So they are going to re-run the reasons to go to war as if there never was proof they were false. That core group of idiots, (can you say freeper - ditto heads?) will believe it.

[Bozita]

19. If you're looking for the mother of all flip-floppers, look no further ...

... than the oval office.

[Gman]

21. I wouldn't expect any less...

As Bob Scheiffer said on CBS News radio yesterday, this report "took away the last surviving reason Bush had for waging war in Iraq."

[Tellurian]

22. BUSH IS CALLING THE 911 PANEL...LIARS? nt

[rusty charly]

23. check this out:

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=865

[Tellurian]

30. The 911 commision has sworn testimony and credible witnessess..

and after a thorough and in depth investigation have reached the conclusion Bush is not telling the Truth. Don't forget, Bush and Cheney refused to testify under oath before the 911 Commission.

What did they have to be afraid of, or need to hide if they didn't fear answering truthfully? Perjury charges?

As opposed to putting any stock into the second hand info gleaned by debka..

[Malva Zebrina]

34. their secret testimony ought to be leaked by a Daniel Ellsberg look alike

because if they said in that testimony, you know, where
Cheney had to appear with Bush in order to prompt him on the right answers, that there was a connection and were questioned about it, and now the panel says there was NO connection--well that is pretty obvious. I would go with the panel, who have heard testimony from many quarters.

The other scenario could be that in that secret testimony, Bush and Cheney said there was no connection

and it could also be they were not asked that question at all but I doubt that as it seems the panel was interested in the facts about that.

[Blue_Roses]

33. hasn't this website

been proven to "fabricate"

[lancdem]

25. Here's the yahoo story

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20040617/ap_on_go_pr_wh/sept_11_bush_3

[Tellurian]

32. Just ask Bush if he would dispute the claim under OATH! nt

[Shopaholic]

28. The Kerry Campaign needs to nail them on this

it would make a great ad!

[Insider]

31. 'al-qaeda' has closer ties to u.s.

if DHS says they're around every corner, then they have apparently found safe harbor here.

[killbotfactory]

35. What the hell is his definition of "ties"?

Al Qaeda contacted a bunch of countries in the middle east asking for help. Iraq was one of them. Nothing came of it. That's not "ties" or "connections" or anything meaningful in my book.

[gauguin57]

37. the media needs to continually

play the clip of Bush (at that cabinet meeting, or whatever it was) saying no link between Saddam and 9/11 has been found. HE SAID IT HE SAID IT HE SAID IT and now he's just lying!

I hope the 9/11 families make the biggest stink about the Bush Admin. dissing the commission before its final report has even come out! JACKASSES!

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

40. Bush avoided the word "collaborative" this morning

In response to the 911 panel's statement that there was "no collaborative relationship" between Al Qaeda and Saddam, Bush said there WAS a "relationship". He cited a meeting between each side's officials in the Sudan as evidence. A meeting is not a jusitification for war. Allowing a member of Al Qaeda to receive medical treatment in Iraq is not a justification for war. This is not quite as deceptive as Bush transforming through language the claim that Iraq was developing "weapons of mass destruction" into "weapons programs", but it's nonetheless more evidence of deceit and misrepresentation.

[NJmaverick]

41. NEWS FLASH!

bush DECLARES WORLD IS FLAT!

[Insider]

43. Flat Panel Requested

bush DECLARES WORLD IS FLAT!

a riot

[Francine Frensky]

49. NEWS UPDATE: 70% of Fox viewers think earth is flat.

And 99% of Rush listeners think the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth under the command of George W. Bush.

[Canuckistanian]

46. Too late. He picked them. He set their parameters.

Now he has to live with the consequences.

[tom_paine]

48. Well, that's a lie. The pResident of a Free Nation would have been shamed

long ago into telling at least soem of the truth.

But who said Bunnypants* was pResident?

And who said Imperial Amerika is a Free Nation?

[CJCRANE]

51. Bush's rebuttal got the headlines

they wanted and that's all that matters. The BBC's teletext service headline was "Bush Adamant on 9-11/Iraq Link" (even though that isn't what he said - he said there were links between Al-Qaeda and Iraq).

[truthisfreedom]

52. of course he does. it's all he can do. flapping lips is the only act

that any of the bush people can do... they've lied the whole time, and they have to dispute, blast, deny, reject, and every other version of the word "pretend."

[charlie105]

53. Update on the story

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Sept-11-Bush.html?hp

[bluedog]

55. Hear that?

Republcan Congressional Silence?