IllinoisLeader.com plans to sue for Kerry divorce records

[hightime]

CHICAGO - This afternoon, Leader Media President Dan Proft announced that IllinoisLeader.com plans to file suit to obtain Massachusetts' Senator John Kerry's, the presumptive Democrat nominee for President, sealed divorce records from his first marriage to Julia Thorne which was later annulled.


"The Chicago Tribune and a Los Angeles Family Court judge have established a new standard for the release of marital and custodial documents," said Proft referring to the recent Jack Ryan decision. "Okay, then everyone in the public arena needs to be held to that standard. John Kerry is the start but there will be others we will seek to hold to this new standard."


http://www.illinoisleader.com/news/newsview.asp?c=16993

The sewers must be overflowing today in Chicago, the floaters can be seen.

[NMDemDist2]

1. they are getting so desperate it;s getting scary

remember a rat fights hardest when it's cornered

[Walt Starr]

2. Problem is, it won';t be handled under CA law

It will be handled under MA law.

Completely different set of rules there, bub.

[aquart]

7. Which translates to what?

[Walt Starr]

16. Which tranlsates to

the only "precedence" set by the opening of Jack Ryan's divorce records exists in California.

[Pale_Rider]

10. Public records ...

"All vital records in Massachusetts, including birth, marriage, divorce and death records, are considered public records. The only records not accessible to the public are sealed records, such as adoptions or other restricted types of records. These restricted records can include births that occurred out of wedlock or marriages which occurred under the legal age."
http://www.mass-doc.com/vitals_research.htm

[jjnagarya]

12. Kerry divorce record

I doubt Kerry hadn't already thought about such things -- whether there would be any skeletons in his background. It's doubtful.

But it is good news to spread about Republican'ts rapacious disregard for citien's rights of privacy.

Now, what private documents about Bushit and Cheney might exist that can be dragged across newpaper headlines and TeeVee smutnews?

It's also a useful teaching opportunity: demonstrating to We the People how character assassination works under authoritarian-totalitarian systems.

Welcome to the return of the Brown Shirts -- not a rock band. The morality shick troops who hate the truly moral.

[brook]

19. IIRC...

Ryan's records were sealed due to a custody battle over their little boy. IOW, to protect the child.

And if Flynt wants to do a little tit for tat, fine with me.

edited: actually a reply to eyesroll.

[eyesroll]

3. He does have a point.

But what was the standard for sealing the records in the first place? Divorce records are usually public documents, and anyone can access them. To seal them, there has to be a compelling reason -- usually, protecting the privacy of a third party, especially minor children.

So: Why were Ryan's papers sealed in the first place? Does that condition no longer exist?

Why were Kerry's sealed? Do those conditions no longer exist?

For the record -- I do think divorce records in general are nobody's business. But if this is the way the law works, then, yes, it needs to work the same way for Republicans and Democrats (and private citizens).

[lakercub]

Ryan's records

There is another problem with this. If you have seen the freepers today they all for the Kerry release, because they and Ryan blame the liberal media for trying to get his records released. Ummm...not according to this.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-debate04.html

It was his Republican primary opponents who really pushed this...and Freepers think they are being mistreated. But this article discusses Blair Hull, a democrat who had the exact same thing happen to him in regards to releasing records. So, as usual, when it happens to a democrat...its deserved, when it happens to republicans its bias and liberal media.

I don't know why I go look at freerepublic...I guess its to see what the enemy is thinking. But its also kind of like a car wreck. You don't want to look, but you kind of have to.

[BiggJawn]

4. Hey, anyone want to see MY divorce records?

Nothing in there. "Comes now the petitoner stating her marriage is Irretrievably broken..." is about the juiciest shit you'll find in either of them. Oh, and that line about the wife "...and that she is not now pregnant..."

Of course all the fucking takes place on Page Four, where they divvy up the assets.....:evilgrin:

[Samurai_Writer]

30. My divorce records read like Kenneth Starr's report

Let's just say, I proved adultery against my husband, IN TEXAS, a no-fault state. Pretty heartbreaking yet salacioius reading.

[BiggJawn]

37. I took advantage of our "no fault"

Didn't want the judge looking over the bench and saying " Oh, come on now, boy...You mean to tell me you let a WOMAN take your wife away from you?"

The first time, I didn't know a "friend" of mine who was a fireman was "laying a hoseline" until years later....
so the papers are pretty boring. But if the IL ReTHUGs want to read 'em.....

[DulceDecorum]

5. TED OLSON

has some records we should have.

Barbara Bracher was married before she met him,
and as I far as I can see,
there is no record of the dissolution of her first marriage.
Or her ballet career.
Or .... nah, the list is too long.

We'll settle for the Olson-Bracher marriage certificate
and Ted's two divorce certificates
as well as
Barbara's birth and divorce papers.

Happy hunting.

[kskiska]

18. Ted was married three times

He most likely has kids around somewhere.

Barbara, twice.

[aquart]

6. Hoping to find a sex club?

Hope the judge tells him to shove it. This is just pitiful.

[Longhorn]

8. I doubt there's anything in Kerry's divorce records.

I saw a rare interview with his first wife and she seems to admire and respect him and hopes he gets elected.

[The Commie]

20. The GOP...

...will try to melk the Culture War dry. They are doing what they always do, scaring religious liberals away from the Democrats. That is the only reason they have won elections in the past 30 years.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

23. Yep. It was a very amicable parting

The Republicans are grasping immensely.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

9. The GOPers better be careful what they wish for...they just might...

...get more than they can handle. I wonder if Dan Proft or anyone he supports has anything to hide?

Paging Larry Flynt! Paging Larry Flynt!

[hightime]

11. Please, the farther removed Flynt is removed from the Dem. the better

and he can take Jerry Springer while he is at it.

[HootieMcBoob]

13. But remember that Flynt had a hand in getting rid of

Gingrich and Livingston and Hyde. He's good when it comes to exposing right wing hypocrisy.

[buff2]

15. Larry Flynt and Jerry Springer are good solid democrats

You have a problem with that?

[hightime]

17. Not at all, I think they should be our presidential ticket

or at least out front guys spokespersons. The new, improved face of the Democratic party.....Larry and Jerry. We could have them both asking young girls to flash their tits. WOOOOOOHOOOOOO

[Media_Lies_Daily]

32. Meanwhile, folks on the other spectrum can point to people like...

...Ryan, Limbaugh, Hyde, Gingrich, and Barr, as their cultural heroes, is that right? You know, the same guys that talk big in public and live another life behind closed doors.

Get off your high horse...we're in a war here, and just about anything goes as far as I'm concerned. If that bothers you then maybe you ought to just sit this one out.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

31. That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it....

As far as I'm concerned, Flynt did a great service for the Democrats when he forced that NeoCon hypocrite Gingrich and his successor to resign.

And he dumped the goods on quite a few additional goose-stepping GOPers that gave the public impression that they were holier-than-thou.

[Democat]

14. Democrats should respond by threatening to get every Republican's records

Let's go to war if they want war.

[xchrom]

22. that's how you play the game.

[struggle4progress]

21. Dan "Proft was a .. staffer for the .. Ryan .. campaign." Gwumpy, Dan?

[laylah]

24. Well, since Neil is

a Bushevik, I want to sue to open HIS divorce records :evilgrin: A$$holes...

Jenn

[rawstory]

25. STORY LINK...

For anyone who wants to link to the suit story absurdity without actually driving traffic to these nuts traffic, I've posted a brief on The Blue Lemur -- http://bluelemur.com/index.html#6254 -- and by all means, pass it on.

I'm gonna dig more into this site and the person affiliated, and I'll post a more complete story link hopefully soon when I've a little more info.

[rawstory]

29. FULLER STORY -- Serious ironies in earlier site editorial...

Here's our updated story: http://bluelemur.com/index.html#6254

The Leader, is a popular state politics site known for its rightist tendencies. In its issue profiles, it declares gays "persons who seek to legtimize what were once widely held to be deviant lifestyles."

<snip>

Ironically, the site hosts an article criticizing the Chicago Tribune for suing to acquire Jack Ryan's divorce records, titled, "Why were the divorce records so important to the Tribune?"

"It was not the public clamoring for this disclosure," wrote columnist Dan Zanoza. "It was the press and the press alone."

"There are reports John Kerry, the presumed Democratic presidential nominee also was previously married and had his first marriage annulled," he continues later. "Will someone in the press go to court to have that information made public? Or will Kerry's situation require a level of voyeuristic intrigue before the press will be interested?"

[rawstory]

34. Irony is that this site mocked Tribune suit

Posting again with new headline here -- very valuable reading, I think, for insight into the consistently hypocritical conservative mindset...


Here's our updated story: http://bluelemur.com/index.html#6254

The Leader, is a popular state politics site known for its rightist tendencies. In its issue profiles, it declares gays "persons who seek to legtimize what were once widely held to be deviant lifestyles."

<snip>

Ironically, the site hosts an article criticizing the Chicago Tribune for suing to acquire Jack Ryan's divorce records, titled, "Why were the divorce records so important to the Tribune?"

"It was not the public clamoring for this disclosure," wrote columnist Dan Zanoza. "It was the press and the press alone."

"There are reports John Kerry, the presumed Democratic presidential nominee also was previously married and had his first marriage annulled," he continues later. "Will someone in the press go to court to have that information made public? Or will Kerry's situation require a level of voyeuristic intrigue before the press will be interested?"

[rawstory]

35. duped post

oops. posted twice...funky computer.

[laylah]

26. My reply

on the Illinois Leader forum...

What are these fools afraid of? I agree...divorce records SHOULD be private; however, so should sexual acts between 2 consenting adults (i.e. President Clinton). Mr. Ryan came across as yet another man of "family values" within the Republican Party, only to be outed like so many other hypocrites. I feel VERY sorry for his child, I do believe that the unsealing was not right, but I am always glad to see a hypocrite exposed. Next in line? "Blago"

Laylah

[peterh]

27. Maybe it’s just me….

But I see this as beyond a tit-for-tat on Ryan and more on the scope of the AP suit filed to retrieve the twit’s military records…..or at least it’s the first thing that popped in my mind before reading all the text….

[California Democrat]

28. It doesn't matter....

This is all in response to the Associated Press filing a suit to get Bush's military records but not having any interest in Kerry's.

It's all a waste of time....

[truthisfreedom]

33. the rethugs have a lot more to lose than Dems. they are always the pervert

weirdos with the kinky fetishes, usually illegal. they always have multiple wives and skeletons in their closets... it's part of the requirement to join the thug club. 8^)

[Francine Frensky]

36. What about reagans divorce? or guilliani's? or bush bro????

I bet there's some dirt waiting to be uncovered there....

Here's a great example to offer when anyone says the media is liberal -- ask what they think of carter's brother, and clinton's, and then ask them what they know about Neil Bush. I bet 90% of america has no idea about the S&L scandal/pardon and the messy, sleazy divorce affairs.

[Carolab]

40. Don't worry...

Neil's wife Sharon's book is due out soon...

What I want to know is, how is it that Bush's military records are somehow off-limits but Kerry's divorce records are NOT?

[daleo]

38. So that was the game

Go after a minor Republican in Chicago, to set the precedent that going after the big game is just fair game. Maybe the book coming out by Larry Flynt has someone scared, so they are looking for some mud to throw back.

[Dastard Stepchild]

39. Sigh....

With the beautiful days we've been having here in Chicago lately, I can almost forget that a whole legion of chuckleheads calls the Chicago metro region their home sweet home. Almost.
Why, just today, as I was enjoying the purely decadent pleasure of bird gazing over the lake on this most sunny of days, my vision was marred by the sight of a massive aborted fetus sign trailing behind a plane. The birds hit the road, and I left dejected. Can't a gal just stare at the birds and wiggle her toes in the sand every now and then?