NBC poll: President 'down but not out'

[Beetwasher]

Many say Bush misled Americans on war, but he’s still tied with Kerry

WASHINGTON - With just over four months until Election Day, a near-majority of Americans believe the nation is headed in the wrong direction and that President Bush deliberately misled the public to make the case for war in Iraq, the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds. Yet even with those less-than-positive numbers for the president, the survey also shows that the race between Bush and presumptive Democratic nominee John Kerry is a statistical tie.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5335046/

Man how I hate the "Gosh, why isn't Kerry doing better?" bullshit. All these amnesiac or whore-moron reporters. Clinton didn't win 50% of the vote in either election I believe and here Kerry is up against the post 9/11 "war" president, has hardly campaigned, while Bush spent $80 million on negative ads and has been campaigning since he set foot in office on OUR dollar, and Kerry is poised to take this thing 4 months out...That's AMAZING AND HISTORIC!!!

[unblock]

1. i guess we should be glad they acknowledge he's "down"

NO INCUMBENT HAS EVER POLLED THIS POORLY AND WON would be a better headline.

[NWHarkness]

2. Their bias is showing

No matter what happens, the story is always about their beloved Bush.

But, what else should we expect from the GE news division?

[Cocoa]

5. it's like Bush is the home team

the great white hope, down but not out! :bounce:

[NWHarkness]

6. Exactly!

Great analogy, Cocoa

[stevedeshazer]

14. "Down, but not out"

Rocky

The '69 Mets

Sea Biscuit

Rudy

Hoosiers

I get it.

[Cocoa]

3. 47% of people don't know Kerry's a freaking veteran

people simply don't know the guy yet.

Bush, however, everyone knows, although they're going to learn much more. A bunch of things are going to come up again in this campaign, like Enron, Harken, AWOL, cocaine, etc. etc.

[Beetwasher]

7. Yes, Exactly

There was one article written in the NYT that made the valid point that it's NOT unusual for the challenger to have lower numbers because FIRST people become dissatisfied w/ the incumbent and THEN they look at the challenger and form an opinion. Kerry's number are amazing, and history actually suggests a landslide.

[lancdem]

4. I agree

and Bush has already used his best ammunition sgainst Kerry. What will he have left for the fall?

Also, this the best Kerry has done in this particular poll. He's never been better than 3 points down before. And this poll includes Nader, who likely won't even be on the ballot in most states.

[Beetwasher]

8. You Know What Was Really Brilliant?

And I hesitate to credit Kerry w/ this, but I gott a wonder. Kerry was "innoculated" early on to the "other woman" scandal that you just KNOW would have come out in October if it wasn't somehow pre-empted...and it was...

[Don_G]

9. Let Them Spin This

[Beetwasher]

10. Interestingly Enough, They DON'T Report His Approval Rating in The Poll!

I can't find a link to the full results either...hmmm...Anyone find another link to this poll?

[lancdem]

12. I'll bet they'll release it tomorrow

My guess is it's 45 percent, which would be an all-time low in this poll.

[struggle4progress]

11. Kerry, Bush Split Voters On Specific Issues

June 30, 2004

Who do you think would do a better job handling this issue, George W. Bush or John Kerry?

Bush (R) Kerry (D)
Safeguarding America from a terrorist threat 55% 36%
Holding the line on taxes 54% 36%
Dealing with Iraq 51% 42%
Keeping America prosperous 47% 46%
Creating jobs 42% 49%
Improving education 42% 48%
Holding down federal spending 41% 46%
Strengthening Social Security 36% 51%
Making prescription drugs affordable 32% 52%

http://www.cpod.ubc.ca/polls/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewItem&itemID=3241

[uptown ruler]

13. oh he's out alright...

Spreading The Word
The Irony Curtain Shop

[The_Casual_Observer]

15. I would like to see a poll that asks if they know who

is president. I'll bet that a good 20% don't know.

[Beetwasher]

16. Yeah, No Kidding!

n/t

[GingerSnaps]

17. Good One!

:toast:

[truthisfreedom]

18. the point is, Kerry is the winner because he doesn't have the negatives

that bush has. if they're running neck-and-neck and bush has been painted by his failures, we're the winners.

[DinahMoeHum]

21. Remember, too re-election bids are almost always about the incumbent's

performance than the challenger's positions on issues.

Now that Bush is down, the focus by the Kerry campaign will be to sell Kerry and his VP to the public starting with the convention end of this month. In other words, work to close the sale.

:kick:

[dbt]

19. Good old, LOYAL NBC

Always propping up the Boy King, the "War President." Gotta help parent corp GE sell more jet engines, y'know...

:freak:
dbt

[radfringe]

20. guess it depends on how you define "down" and "out"

http://www.pollingreport.com/

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CBS News/New York Times Poll. June 23-27, 2004. N=1,053 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.
http://www.pollingreport.com/consumer.htm#COMFORT
"Is your family financially better off today than it was before George W. Bush became president, is it worse off financially, or is it about the same as it was before George W. Bush became president?"

Better // Worse // Same // Unsure

6/23-27/04 16 27 56 1
3/10-14/04 21 24 53 2

[SoCalDem]

22. Gee...maybe it's because the media is "Gore-ing" him 24/7 and

propping the puppet 24/7... do ya think????

[gratuitous]

23. The analysis sure gets instant when the trend is down

Bush sinking like a rock in the polls? Get out there with a story that as far and as fast as he's falling, he's still ahead/even/withing shouting distance of Kerry. Something comes out with unequivocally bad news for the corrupt Bush administration? Ah, the analysis can wait a few days. The backlash/dead cat bounce finally occurs, then the story is all about what an incredible comeback Bush is making, even though he was never really hurt at all by that terrible occurrence, and he's really, really popular with left-handed one-eyed cat jugglers in Meridian, Mississippi.

[John_H]

24. It's time to face facts. Kerry SHOULD be doing better.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I understand the "don't murder a guy who's committing suicide" thing. And the "Kerry has to rise above politics to look presidential" thing. Get the media thing too. But I buy none of them.

The campaign is risk-averse. It's "it's ours to lose." Trouble is, it ain't. At some point they're going to have to win the race, because Chimp has too much money, too many available sleve-aces, too many campaign strategists who are not risk averse, too many friends in the media to lose it on his own.

[Beetwasher]

25. And They Will Step Up

I suggest you read the analysis that appeared in the NYT a week or two ago that discussed the known historical trend regarding the challenger almost ALWAYS being an unknown at this point and that it's all about the incumbent right now. First the incumbent's numbers fall, THEN the challenger rises. We are reaching that point soon if not now. Kerry should be behind at this point and he's even, that's a phenomenal accomplishemnt.

[gratuitous]

26. I'd agree, if the media was doing their job

But the media backlash against F911 shows that much of the popular media are still not interested in providing accurate coverage. As such, every bad thing that happens for the Bush administration gets spun silly by the RNC blast faxes and the news show guests, and every gain Kerry makes is minimized as much as possible.

There's a reason big corporations buy so much advertising: It works. People will believe what they're told, even to their own detriment, even contrary to what they see for themselves. And right now, the Mighty Republican Wurlitzer is smoking from the effort to make Stupidhead look good, and focus on minutiae adverse to Kerry.

I'll even give you a for instance. What's really more important in the world: Kerry's church-going habits or the Fed's bumping of the interest rate? And what do you suppose you're going to hear more about in the next week? It is so bad that $16,000 a year garbage collectors in Alabama think that the most pressing issue in the country is repealing the estate tax.

So yes, Kerry should be doing better. Hell, I'd be neck-and-neck with Stupidhead if the facts were generally known and properly emphasized. But they aren't. Kerry's doing pretty good. I'm going to work my fanny off to make sure he's elected with as large a mandate as possible. And I'm not going to spend my energy fretting that he could be or should be doing better. Part of the responsibility for that is up to me; and I'm damn sure going to try to do better for our country by getting Stupidhead out of office.